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  • EasterrossEasterross Posts: 1,915

    TOPPING said:

    A question for the win experts:

    How good is a wine with 90 Parker points ?

    And what would it cost on average.

    Can't really ask that question - a 90 score might be a '62 Romanee Conti or a 2010 Leoville Las Cases. ie it rates a wine at different stages (sorry to sound like a tosser...).

    An answer could be that it would command a premium over a "lesser" wine so a Parker 90 might sell for 1.5x what a Parker 85...

    There are also those who thoroughly disagree with Parker and the whole industry that has risen up around his ratings.

    Did I answer _any_ of your question?

    (Edit: reviewed my post. Yep, total tosser. Apols. In short, a 90-rated Parker wine would be something you would be delighted to receive from a guest at a supper party.)
    Don't worry you sounded more knowledgeable than tosserish.

    And as we have SeanT to set the standard for pretentious wine reviews you have nothing to worry about.

    I asked because Lidl have a Chilean cabernet at 90PP for £6.99. Its pretty good but I don't have the palette to be discerning enough. Something for which I am rather grateful.

    I thought the stuff they were selling for £2 a bottle this past week was perfectly acceptable but then I regularly buy the 1.5 litre Lambrini at £2.50.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    An astute observation. A palate for fine wine is both blessing and curse. It is hard to be happy with the cheap stuff after a proper wine education. I am not a big fan of Parker points, but they do shift the price.

    TOPPING said:

    A question for the win experts:

    How good is a wine with 90 Parker points ?

    And what would it cost on average.

    Can't really ask that question - a 90 score might be a '62 Romanee Conti or a 2010 Leoville Las Cases. ie it rates a wine at different stages (sorry to sound like a tosser...).

    An answer could be that it would command a premium over a "lesser" wine so a Parker 90 might sell for 1.5x what a Parker 85...

    There are also those who thoroughly disagree with Parker and the whole industry that has risen up around his ratings.

    Did I answer _any_ of your question?

    (Edit: reviewed my post. Yep, total tosser. Apols. In short, a 90-rated Parker wine would be something you would be delighted to receive from a guest at a supper party.)
    Don't worry you sounded more knowledgeable than tosserish.

    And as we have SeanT to set the standard for pretentious wine reviews you have nothing to worry about.

    I asked because Lidl have a Chilean cabernet at 90PP for £6.99. Its pretty good but I don't have the palette to be discerning enough. Something for which I am rather grateful.

  • surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    As for fathers, if Cameron or any of the others had a father with controversial views, I wouldn't dream of raising it, and - a separate point - I doubt if it would win any votes if we did. There is a PB poster with a relative who had controversial views, and nobody ever thinks it's relevant or even interesting. Come to that my dad's cousin was Tory Chief Whip - how appalling is that? :-)

    I doubt if even Mail readers will change their views of Ed particularly.

    If Cameron's dad was a fascist - or any father of any Tory minister - of course Lefties would bloody raise it. We'd never hear the last of it.

    Moreover, Miliband by all accounts sees his Dad as a hero, and his career is a self-confessed attempt to further his father's beliefs (albeit in moderated form). So it is entirely relevant.

    As an ex-communist yourself you probably find nothing objectionable in this, but arguing it is off-limits is absurd.
    Er... wasn't Alan Clark, a Nazi ?
    No, but he was an eccentric oddball with varied views and not afraid to express them.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    In other news, we need some rain.

    Stocking up on bottled water? ;-)
  • Wine is *such* a bourgeois tipple :)
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,098

    TOPPING said:

    A question for the win experts:

    How good is a wine with 90 Parker points ?

    And what would it cost on average.

    Can't really ask that question - a 90 score might be a '62 Romanee Conti or a 2010 Leoville Las Cases. ie it rates a wine at different stages (sorry to sound like a tosser...).

    An answer could be that it would command a premium over a "lesser" wine so a Parker 90 might sell for 1.5x what a Parker 85...

    There are also those who thoroughly disagree with Parker and the whole industry that has risen up around his ratings.

    Did I answer _any_ of your question?

    (Edit: reviewed my post. Yep, total tosser. Apols. In short, a 90-rated Parker wine would be something you would be delighted to receive from a guest at a supper party.)
    Don't worry you sounded more knowledgeable than tosserish.

    And as we have SeanT to set the standard for pretentious wine reviews you have nothing to worry about.

    I asked because Lidl have a Chilean cabernet at 90PP for £6.99. Its pretty good but I don't have the palette to be discerning enough. Something for which I am rather grateful.

    I have found with supermarkets (especially ones that are trying to break into established markets) that they can bulk buy great deals and this might be one.

    https://erobertparker.com/newsearch/vintagechart1.aspx

    that's what Robert Parker thinks about the various regions - doesn't seem he has tasted the most recent Chilean wines.

    My gut feel (!) is that for Lidl to be selling a £6.99 wine you can expect that it should be a more expensive one and is likely to be very good.

    Plus never forget that a lot of the wine cost (£2?) is tax and a fixed cost so the more money you spend over that amount, the disproportionately better wine you will get.
  • When was the polling carried out for the 11 % labour lead yougov ?
  • TOPPING said:

    A question for the win experts:

    How good is a wine with 90 Parker points ?

    And what would it cost on average.

    Can't really ask that question - a 90 score might be a '62 Romanee Conti or a 2010 Leoville Las Cases. ie it rates a wine at different stages (sorry to sound like a tosser...).

    An answer could be that it would command a premium over a "lesser" wine so a Parker 90 might sell for 1.5x what a Parker 85...

    There are also those who thoroughly disagree with Parker and the whole industry that has risen up around his ratings.

    Did I answer _any_ of your question?

    (Edit: reviewed my post. Yep, total tosser. Apols. In short, a 90-rated Parker wine would be something you would be delighted to receive from a guest at a supper party.)
    Don't worry you sounded more knowledgeable than tosserish.

    And as we have SeanT to set the standard for pretentious wine reviews you have nothing to worry about.

    I asked because Lidl have a Chilean cabernet at 90PP for £6.99. Its pretty good but I don't have the palette to be discerning enough. Something for which I am rather grateful.

    I thought the stuff they were selling for £2 a bottle this past week was perfectly acceptable but then I regularly buy the 1.5 litre Lambrini at £2.50.
    I can hear tim sneering now.
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    AndyJS said:

    ComRes/Indy:

    Lab 37
    Con 33
    LD 11
    UKIP 11


    ComradeRes/The Sunil:

    Progressives 48%
    Tory/UKIP 44%
    You do appear to have switched sides, Sunil.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    I think that Alan Clarks rather flamboyant personality and outrageous behavior was in part due to his slow growing brain tumor. I am sure that his premorbid personality was eccentic, but his later behaviour smacks more of frontal lobe symptoms.

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    As for fathers, if Cameron or any of the others had a father with controversial views, I wouldn't dream of raising it, and - a separate point - I doubt if it would win any votes if we did. There is a PB poster with a relative who had controversial views, and nobody ever thinks it's relevant or even interesting. Come to that my dad's cousin was Tory Chief Whip - how appalling is that? :-)

    I doubt if even Mail readers will change their views of Ed particularly.

    If Cameron's dad was a fascist - or any father of any Tory minister - of course Lefties would bloody raise it. We'd never hear the last of it.

    Moreover, Miliband by all accounts sees his Dad as a hero, and his career is a self-confessed attempt to further his father's beliefs (albeit in moderated form). So it is entirely relevant.

    As an ex-communist yourself you probably find nothing objectionable in this, but arguing it is off-limits is absurd.
    Er... wasn't Alan Clark, a Nazi ?
    No, but he was an eccentric oddball with varied views and not afraid to express them.
  • An astute observation. A palate for fine wine is both blessing and curse. It is hard to be happy with the cheap stuff after a proper wine education. I am not a big fan of Parker points, but they do shift the price.

    TOPPING said:

    A question for the win experts:

    How good is a wine with 90 Parker points ?

    And what would it cost on average.

    Can't really ask that question - a 90 score might be a '62 Romanee Conti or a 2010 Leoville Las Cases. ie it rates a wine at different stages (sorry to sound like a tosser...).

    An answer could be that it would command a premium over a "lesser" wine so a Parker 90 might sell for 1.5x what a Parker 85...

    There are also those who thoroughly disagree with Parker and the whole industry that has risen up around his ratings.

    Did I answer _any_ of your question?

    (Edit: reviewed my post. Yep, total tosser. Apols. In short, a 90-rated Parker wine would be something you would be delighted to receive from a guest at a supper party.)
    Don't worry you sounded more knowledgeable than tosserish.

    And as we have SeanT to set the standard for pretentious wine reviews you have nothing to worry about.

    I asked because Lidl have a Chilean cabernet at 90PP for £6.99. Its pretty good but I don't have the palette to be discerning enough. Something for which I am rather grateful.

    Am I the only person who finds cheap white wine perfectly drinkable but finds cheap red wine nasty stuff ?

    Cheap being sub £4.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    That sort of pricing threatens bankrupcy. Think of it as SSE on a small Merseyside scale.

    TOPPING said:

    A question for the win experts:

    How good is a wine with 90 Parker points ?

    And what would it cost on average.

    Can't really ask that question - a 90 score might be a '62 Romanee Conti or a 2010 Leoville Las Cases. ie it rates a wine at different stages (sorry to sound like a tosser...).

    An answer could be that it would command a premium over a "lesser" wine so a Parker 90 might sell for 1.5x what a Parker 85...

    There are also those who thoroughly disagree with Parker and the whole industry that has risen up around his ratings.

    Did I answer _any_ of your question?

    (Edit: reviewed my post. Yep, total tosser. Apols. In short, a 90-rated Parker wine would be something you would be delighted to receive from a guest at a supper party.)
    Don't worry you sounded more knowledgeable than tosserish.

    And as we have SeanT to set the standard for pretentious wine reviews you have nothing to worry about.

    I asked because Lidl have a Chilean cabernet at 90PP for £6.99. Its pretty good but I don't have the palette to be discerning enough. Something for which I am rather grateful.

    I thought the stuff they were selling for £2 a bottle this past week was perfectly acceptable but then I regularly buy the 1.5 litre Lambrini at £2.50.
    I can hear tim sneering now.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053

    Wine is *such* a bourgeois tipple :)

    So how many litres have you swallowed today? Hick! Ooooooo
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Generally I find the converse, with cheap red better value. Lidl did some very passable Rioja a year or two back. I am not a fan of cheap white though.

    An astute observation. A palate for fine wine is both blessing and curse. It is hard to be happy with the cheap stuff after a proper wine education. I am not a big fan of Parker points, but they do shift the price.

    TOPPING said:

    A question for the win experts:

    How good is a wine with 90 Parker points ?

    And what would it cost on average.

    Can't really ask that question - a 90 score might be a '62 Romanee Conti or a 2010 Leoville Las Cases. ie it rates a wine at different stages (sorry to sound like a tosser...).

    An answer could be that it would command a premium over a "lesser" wine so a Parker 90 might sell for 1.5x what a Parker 85...

    There are also those who thoroughly disagree with Parker and the whole industry that has risen up around his ratings.

    Did I answer _any_ of your question?

    (Edit: reviewed my post. Yep, total tosser. Apols. In short, a 90-rated Parker wine would be something you would be delighted to receive from a guest at a supper party.)
    Don't worry you sounded more knowledgeable than tosserish.

    And as we have SeanT to set the standard for pretentious wine reviews you have nothing to worry about.

    I asked because Lidl have a Chilean cabernet at 90PP for £6.99. Its pretty good but I don't have the palette to be discerning enough. Something for which I am rather grateful.

    Am I the only person who finds cheap white wine perfectly drinkable but finds cheap red wine nasty stuff ?

    Cheap being sub £4.
  • New Thread
  • taffys said:

    May has pledged to scrap labour's Human Rights act

    Does that have any effect in real terms?

    Yes, it means that peoiple seeking redress under the ECHR who can now have their case heard by British judges will now need to go to Strasbourg to be heard by European judges. The rights themselves are unchanged. Essentially it makes the process slower and more expensive (which might reduce the number of cases, as the Conservative might wish) and also more foreign (which is possibly not what the Conservatives might wish).

    I didn't follow the latest thing but their plan is usually to replace it with a British "Bill of Rights", which would presumably go through a proper planning phase where people said "Remove X because it's out of line with ECHR" and "Put in Y because we need it for ECHR, otherwise this will end up getting litigated in Strasbourg" so I think what would they'd really end up doing is renaming the Human Rights Act.
  • Generally I find the converse, with cheap red better value. Lidl did some very passable Rioja a year or two back. I am not a fan of cheap white though.

    An astute observation. A palate for fine wine is both blessing and curse. It is hard to be happy with the cheap stuff after a proper wine education. I am not a big fan of Parker points, but they do shift the price.

    TOPPING said:

    A question for the win experts:

    How good is a wine with 90 Parker points ?

    And what would it cost on average.

    Can't really ask that question - a 90 score might be a '62 Romanee Conti or a 2010 Leoville Las Cases. ie it rates a wine at different stages (sorry to sound like a tosser...).

    An answer could be that it would command a premium over a "lesser" wine so a Parker 90 might sell for 1.5x what a Parker 85...

    There are also those who thoroughly disagree with Parker and the whole industry that has risen up around his ratings.

    Did I answer _any_ of your question?

    (Edit: reviewed my post. Yep, total tosser. Apols. In short, a 90-rated Parker wine would be something you would be delighted to receive from a guest at a supper party.)
    Don't worry you sounded more knowledgeable than tosserish.

    And as we have SeanT to set the standard for pretentious wine reviews you have nothing to worry about.

    I asked because Lidl have a Chilean cabernet at 90PP for £6.99. Its pretty good but I don't have the palette to be discerning enough. Something for which I am rather grateful.

    Am I the only person who finds cheap white wine perfectly drinkable but finds cheap red wine nasty stuff ?

    Cheap being sub £4.
    That's a good point.

    Lidl do good cheap red wine though I find the big supermarkets don't.
  • MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    James Kirkup is quite wrong in this article,Nick. One an be weak and dangerous at the same time. In fact for a politician like Ed milliband his very flip-flopping weakness can be a great danger to this country.

  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    As for fathers, if Cameron or any of the others had a father with controversial views, I wouldn't dream of raising it, and - a separate point - I doubt if it would win any votes if we did. There is a PB poster with a relative who had controversial views, and nobody ever thinks it's relevant or even interesting. Come to that my dad's cousin was Tory Chief Whip - how appalling is that? :-)

    I doubt if even Mail readers will change their views of Ed particularly.

    If Cameron's dad was a fascist - or any father of any Tory minister - of course Lefties would bloody raise it. We'd never hear the last of it.

    Moreover, Miliband by all accounts sees his Dad as a hero, and his career is a self-confessed attempt to further his father's beliefs (albeit in moderated form). So it is entirely relevant.

    As an ex-communist yourself you probably find nothing objectionable in this, but arguing it is off-limits is absurd.
    Er... wasn't Alan Clark, a Nazi ?
    No, but he was an eccentric oddball with varied views and not afraid to express them.
    He was, in fact, a Nazi. (With apologies to Godwin)
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100009920/alan-clark-was-a-nazi/
  • BobajobBobajob Posts: 1,536
    dr_spyn said:

    Nothing wrong with Greek apricots, peaches, plums, or figs with yoghurt...haven't starved when visiting Greece.

    Mythos lager is palatable.

    It's coming to something when the best adjective anyone can find is "palatable". As much as I hate to agree with Sean...
  • Bobajob said:

    surbiton said:

    SeanT said:

    As for fathers, if Cameron or any of the others had a father with controversial views, I wouldn't dream of raising it, and - a separate point - I doubt if it would win any votes if we did. There is a PB poster with a relative who had controversial views, and nobody ever thinks it's relevant or even interesting. Come to that my dad's cousin was Tory Chief Whip - how appalling is that? :-)

    I doubt if even Mail readers will change their views of Ed particularly.

    If Cameron's dad was a fascist - or any father of any Tory minister - of course Lefties would bloody raise it. We'd never hear the last of it.

    Moreover, Miliband by all accounts sees his Dad as a hero, and his career is a self-confessed attempt to further his father's beliefs (albeit in moderated form). So it is entirely relevant.

    As an ex-communist yourself you probably find nothing objectionable in this, but arguing it is off-limits is absurd.
    Er... wasn't Alan Clark, a Nazi ?
    No, but he was an eccentric oddball with varied views and not afraid to express them.
    He was, in fact, a Nazi. (With apologies to Godwin)
    http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/benedictbrogan/100009920/alan-clark-was-a-nazi/
    Saying you're a Nazi to shock people isn't the same as being one.

    Clark was a self-obsessed oddball.

    I'm sure he would have been happy to have been a Nazi in 1930s Germany, but the same could be said for numerous politicians in all the political parties.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,829
    Telegraph financial headline about US government shutdown: "Investors braced for rout"

    In the real world, stocks in Asia and Europe are up modestly this morning, and futures are indicating the US will open up too.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    edited October 2013
    [Deleted, posted by accident.]
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