I am neither I hope, just a little more pragmatic to the realities perhaps.
And you appear to have conceded all hope of UKIP’s ability to mount an effective campaign for leaving the EU – which is a great shame, as I loathe the entire edifice.
Hmm. Under the current leadership I have never had any faith in UKIP organising much beyond the proverbial brewers party. I am pretty sure Farage could do that but not much else.
The issue for me is that referenda are more often than not won on the merits of the argument but on the relative strengths of the two sides. That was certainly true in 1975 and will be equally true today. As long as Cameron remains in charge of the Tories, all three main party machineries will remain solidly pro EU.
It does strike me that the best chance of actually getting out of the EU (short of them doing something else utterly stupid to alienate yet more people - which is always a possibility) is for Miliband to concede the need for a referendum and then after winning the election to be faced with a Tory opposition with a properly Eurosceptic leader.
I imagine seeing the father that he clearly loved trashed in that way all to get at him does make Ed pretty angry, especially as his father has no ability to reply.
Cameron will not oversee our withdrawal from the EU. That much is absolutely certain. Under Cameron we will not leave. Therefore the aim must be to make sure that the Tory party sees clearly the consequences of having a Europhile in charge. The best way to do that is to make sure they do not win elections under those circumstances.
The problem, Richard, is that you are assuming a more eurosceptic Tory leader would romp home on a wave of popular acclaim. I have my doubts: the tory party is much more scepitcal on Europe than it has been for a long time; the avaialble BOO candidates are not "Cameron + BOO" but come with a whole lot of other baggage. For instance, would Peter Bone, Bill Cash, Nadine Dorris or Jacob Rees-Mogg (selected because of Farage's mentions today) really appeal to a broader spectrum of public opinion than Cameron?
The way to achieve what you claim to want is for UKIP to cease being a political party and focus on becoming a very effective pressure group. At the moment you are just hamstringing your own cause.
It's always been the UKIP dichotomy they might succeed as a pressure group but are likely to fail as a political party.
No, I am just realistic enough to realise that the combined support of all three main parties would make winning an out vote very difficult. Were the vote to be held in the future with one party's support firmly established for leaving then the odds would be much higher.
Hmm, I hope you haven't forgotten that we have a bet outstanding on this! You seem to have changed your view since we struck the bet - you were adamant that the result would be Out, if a referendum were held.
Don't worry Richard I will still of course honour the bet (although Peter or yourself will have to remind me of the amounts. I do completely trust you on the issue). But yes my views have changed as I have - if it were possible - become even less trusting of politicians than I once was.
I do not for a second believe it will be either a straight or fair fight. I was probably supid to think it would be in the first place.
I will still wait until the actual vote to pay up if that is alright because if there is one thing more certain than the dishonesty of politicians it is the ability of the EU itself to do yet more damage to its own reputation.
Did the terrible backlash against Ed happen then, or was the PB Tory weathervane as knackered as ever?
I see that the Conservative strategists managed to pinpoint the only way of making Help To Buy even more moronic, by bringing it forward so it's even more out of kilter with any supply increases.
And linking a deeply stupid marriage tax break to a work disincentive when all the other govt policies related to children are about getting parents back to work, who thought that one up?
Osborne's plan to get scroungers to report daily is interesting. Not sure Osborne and Little would've enjoyed being pestered by a high pitched phone call every day for the last twenty years though.
Did the terrible backlash against Ed happen then, or was the PB Tory weathervane as knackered as ever?
I see that the Conservative strategists managed to pinpoint the only way of making Help To Buy even more moronic, by bringing it forward so it's even more out of kilter with any supply increases.
And linking a deeply stupid marriage tax break to a work disincentive when all the other govt policies related to children are about getting parents back to work, who thought that one up?
Osborne's plan to get scroungers to report daily is interesting. Not sure Osborne and Little would've enjoyed being pestered by a high pitched phone call every day for the last twenty years though.
The Iran stuff looks big.
Imposter.
The real tim was funny.
Note: The subject Comrade Avery responds to the stimulus as predicted!
There's one problem with Cameron's marriage tax break: it doesn't stack, and therefore having two wives doesn't earn any extra benefit. This is clear evidence of the metropolitan elites insensitive attitude to such traditional English pastimes as bigamy.
Don't worry Richard I will still of course honour the bet (although Peter or yourself will have to remind me of the amounts. I do completely trust you on the issue). But yes my views have changed as I have - if it were possible - become even less trusting of politicians than I once was.
I do not for a second believe it will be either a straight or fair fight. I was probably supid to think it would be in the first place.
Of course, I wasn't suggesting for a moment that you wouldn't honour it. I can't remember the exact details but I have a record somewhere at home.
Interestingly enough, the context was me saying pretty much what you are now saying. It was precisely because I think it would not be a winnable contest for the Out side (against the combined forces of the EU, the establishment view, much of big business, and the BBC) that I think the renegotiation route is the best one; it would allow a face-saving deal whereby we gently disengage without scaring the horses. If we make it a straight In/Out dichotomy, fear, uncertainty and doubt will prevail and we'll get stuck with staying In with no improvement in terms and give an implicit seal of approval to ever-closer union. We need to be more subtle if we're to undo the mistakes and concessions made in the past (under both parties).
One of the main reasons it's proceeding is because Iran knows perfectly well what happens when chemical weapons are used and has no desire to see their spread or use any more than Saudi Arabia does. Neither State trusts the Al Qaeda factions, rebels and Islamists popping up all over the middle east and parts of Africa and certainly not with chemical weapons.
Boris Johnson is doing his stand-up act to the Tories.He is 5-1 2nd fav.behind 4-1 Teresa May. Another old Etonian following Cameron would be to compound the Tories' existing problems.The 5-1 is not for me as I tend think he is another Heseltine,flaming blond locks.He didn't make it either.
I imagine seeing the father that he clearly loved trashed in that way all to get at him does make Ed pretty angry, especially as his father has no ability to reply.
Ralph Miliband , in the midst of the Nazi Blitz ;
"As for the country that gave him and his family protection, the 17-year-old wrote in his diary: 'The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world . . . you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the Continent . . . To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation.' "
If this isn't worthy of criticism and contempt , then nothing is.
I imagine seeing the father that he clearly loved trashed in that way all to get at him does make Ed pretty angry, especially as his father has no ability to reply.
In what way does the article 'trash' Ralph Miliband? It seems pretty straight to me. He was a full-blown Marxist, and proud of it, wasn't he?
I imagine seeing the father that he clearly loved trashed in that way all to get at him does make Ed pretty angry, especially as his father has no ability to reply.
In what way does the article 'trash' Ralph Miliband? It seems pretty straight to me. He was a full-blown Marxist, and proud of it, wasn't he?
"The Man Who Hated Britain", followed by a one-sided account of his father's life, designed entirely to imply that Ed too hates Britain and is an unreconstructed Marxist. But maybe it is OK because Ed is not a Tory!
The problem, Richard, is that you are assuming a more eurosceptic Tory leader would romp home on a wave of popular acclaim. I have my doubts: the tory party is much more scepitcal on Europe than it has been for a long time; the avaialble BOO candidates are not "Cameron + BOO" but come with a whole lot of other baggage. For instance, would Peter Bone, Bill Cash, Nadine Dorris or Jacob Rees-Mogg (selected because of Farage's mentions today) really appeal to a broader spectrum of public opinion than Cameron?
You're usually more on the ball than that Charles.
It is most definitely NOT just Bone or Cash anymore. The ground has shifted considerably and it's going to keep shifting.
Michael Gove And Philip Hammond Both Say They Would Leave EU In Boost To Eurosceptics
That's as close to full blown out as you can get and still have some minute wriggle room.
In any future scenario where every precious MP's vote and votes from the base will decide the tory leadership that wriggle room will almost certainly vanish and those who can sound most eurosceptic will prosper.
'Did the terrible backlash against Ed happen then, or was the PB Tory weathervane as knackered as ever?'
Shame only a minority of voters believe Ed.
'Only a minority of voters – including a minority of Labour voters in some cases – think the Labour party will achieve the goals outlined in Ed Miliband's conference speech
Labour leader Ed Miliband’s speech on Tuesday at the 2013 Labour Party Conference reportedly delighted supporters in the crowd, but a new Yougov poll for The Sun reveals that voters are highly sceptical of the Labour Party’s ability to achieve some of the key policies raised in the speech.
The pledge voters are most likely to think a hypothetical Labour Government could achieve is lowering the voting age to 16, which 37% of voters think Labour would achieve and 36% think it would not achieve. Fewer than a third of voters have confidence Labour could improve the NHS (31%), freeze gas and electricity prices for two years (30%) or build 200,000 new houses a year by 2020 (25%), while about half of the public (49%, 50% and 50%, respectively) is openly doubtful that Labour could keep these three promises'.
I imagine seeing the father that he clearly loved trashed in that way all to get at him does make Ed pretty angry, especially as his father has no ability to reply.
Ralph Miliband , in the midst of the Nazi Blitz ;
"As for the country that gave him and his family protection, the 17-year-old wrote in his diary: 'The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world . . . you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the Continent . . . To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation.' "
If this isn't worthy of criticism and contempt , then nothing is.
Have you ever served in this country's armed services Moniker? No, I thought not.
"The Man Who Hated Britain", followed by a one-sided account of his father's life, designed entirely to imply that Ed too hates Britain and is an unreconstructed Marxist. But maybe it is OK because Ed is not a Tory!
Not particularly one-sided. The guy held extreme views by any normal British political standard - far to the left of the Labour Party - even if, as the article actually makes clear, he wasn't an apologist for mass murder like his friend Hobsbawn .
Of course you are right that the article is trying to imply Ed is extreme like his father was, but that's a different point. And I must say, the quotes that the article has come up are disturbingly supportive of this case:
'Advanced capitalism is all but synonymous with giant enterprise; and nothing about the economic organisation of these countries is more basically important than the increasing domination of key sectors ... industrial, financial and commercial ... by a relatively small number of giant firms, often interlinked.'
Can anyone explain to me just why Greek food is so tediously, shriekingly, eye-wateringly, bloody-feta-cheese-againishly awful?
I've now had nineteen mediocre meals in a row, and that includes 329 Greek salads.
Really, they've been around for 3,500 years, as a culture, and they've come up with ONE kind of salad. You'd have thought that, during the 1000 years of Byzantine civilisation alone, someone might have had the idea to maybe vary it with some lettuce.
Grilledmeatn'grilledfishn'saladn'dipsn'breadn'oil. Lovely stuff. Best in Cyprus though (so not truly Greek), if don't mind the dodgy wine.
"The Man Who Hated Britain", followed by a one-sided account of his father's life, designed entirely to imply that Ed too hates Britain and is an unreconstructed Marxist. But maybe it is OK because Ed is not a Tory!
Not particularly one-sided. The guy held extreme views by any normal British political standard - far to the left of the Labour Party - even if, as the article actually makes clear, he wasn't an apologist for mass murder like his friend Hobsbawn .
Of course you are right that the article is trying to imply Ed is extreme like his father was, but that's a different point. And I must say, the quotes that the article has come up are disturbingly supportive of this case:
'Advanced capitalism is all but synonymous with giant enterprise; and nothing about the economic organisation of these countries is more basically important than the increasing domination of key sectors ... industrial, financial and commercial ... by a relatively small number of giant firms, often interlinked.'
That could have been written by Ed.
Not particularly one-sided. That is one to treasure.
In other words, Ralph Miliband was a dyed-in-the-wool socialist, I hate everything his son stands for, it's all fair game.
I imagine seeing the father that he clearly loved trashed in that way all to get at him does make Ed pretty angry, especially as his father has no ability to reply.
Ralph Miliband , in the midst of the Nazi Blitz ;
"As for the country that gave him and his family protection, the 17-year-old wrote in his diary: 'The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world . . . you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the Continent . . . To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation.' "
If this isn't worthy of criticism and contempt , then nothing is.
I imagine seeing the father that he clearly loved trashed in that way all to get at him does make Ed pretty angry, especially as his father has no ability to reply.
Ralph Miliband , in the midst of the Nazi Blitz ;
"As for the country that gave him and his family protection, the 17-year-old wrote in his diary: 'The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world . . . you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the Continent . . . To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation.' "
If this isn't worthy of criticism and contempt , then nothing is.
Have you ever served in this country's armed services Moniker? No, I thought not.
Yeah, good point. Moniker's not being a soldier completely obviates the fact Marxist Ralph Miliband , a migrant into England, nonetheless loathed the English and almost wanted us to lose the war to the Nazis.
A man who hated the English so much he served in the navy for three years and spent his life living and working among English people. Yup, real hate that. He clearly detested all of us - especially the many millions of trade unionists and Labour supporters.
Can anyone explain to me just why Greek food is so tediously, shriekingly, eye-wateringly, bloody-feta-cheese-againishly awful?
I've now had nineteen mediocre meals in a row, and that includes 329 Greek salads.
Really, they've been around for 3,500 years, as a culture, and they've come up with ONE kind of salad. You'd have thought that, during the 1000 years of Byzantine civilisation alone, someone might have had the idea to maybe vary it with some lettuce.
Grilledmeatn'grilledfishn'saladn'dipsn'breadn'oil. Lovely stuff. Best in Cyprus though (so not truly Greek), if don't mind the dodgy wine.
Nah. Even at that level Greek food is comically disgusting. It has the finesse of Findus fish fingers.
I just can't work out WHY. They are on the same latitude as Spain and Italy and surrounded by seafood.
Greek alcoholic drinks are also revolting. I don't know why.
Can anyone explain to me just why Greek food is so tediously, shriekingly, eye-wateringly, bloody-feta-cheese-againishly awful?
I've now had nineteen mediocre meals in a row, and that includes 329 Greek salads.
Really, they've been around for 3,500 years, as a culture, and they've come up with ONE kind of salad. You'd have thought that, during the 1000 years of Byzantine civilisation alone, someone might have had the idea to maybe vary it with some lettuce.
Grilledmeatn'grilledfishn'saladn'dipsn'breadn'oil. Lovely stuff. Best in Cyprus though (so not truly Greek), if don't mind the dodgy wine.
Nah. Even at that level Greek food is comically disgusting. It has the finesse of Findus fish fingers.
I just can't work out WHY. They are on the same latitude as Spain and Italy and surrounded by seafood.
True - if you want finesse Greek food is not for you. But then neither is the best Spanish food, in my greedy opinion. Fried chorizo, fried eggs and chips. Paradise. And I bet the Greeks could sort me out something similar.
"The Man Who Hated Britain", followed by a one-sided account of his father's life, designed entirely to imply that Ed too hates Britain and is an unreconstructed Marxist. But maybe it is OK because Ed is not a Tory!
Not particularly one-sided. The guy held extreme views by any normal British political standard - far to the left of the Labour Party - even if, as the article actually makes clear, he wasn't an apologist for mass murder like his friend Hobsbawn .
Of course you are right that the article is trying to imply Ed is extreme like his father was, but that's a different point. And I must say, the quotes that the article has come up are disturbingly supportive of this case:
'Advanced capitalism is all but synonymous with giant enterprise; and nothing about the economic organisation of these countries is more basically important than the increasing domination of key sectors ... industrial, financial and commercial ... by a relatively small number of giant firms, often interlinked.'
That could have been written by Ed.
That could also have been written by MrJones out another_richard!
He didn't say "upper class Englishmen are rabid nationalists" he said THE ENGLISHMAN is a rabid nationalist, a comment both contemptuous, dismissive, unbelievably ungracious (given that he was being sheltered by England) and also racist (by today's standards). He then went on to *almost* wish we would lose the war to Nazi Germany.
I feel sure you would be defending George Osborne in similar style if it was discovered his father was an immigrant fascist, who disliked the Brits, and almost wanted us to be defeated by Stalin.
He wrote clumsily - as a 17 year old whose first language was not English - what Orwell wrote much better. You can judge him by that if you want to (and clearly you do), but maybe someone more fair-minded would look at what he did with his life, accept his politics were crap, but also accept that he never demonstrated any hatred for this country at all and in fact served it during its hour of greatest need.
Can anyone explain to me just why Greek food is so tediously, shriekingly, eye-wateringly, bloody-feta-cheese-againishly awful?
I've now had nineteen mediocre meals in a row, and that includes 329 Greek salads.
Really, they've been around for 3,500 years, as a culture, and they've come up with ONE kind of salad. You'd have thought that, during the 1000 years of Byzantine civilisation alone, someone might have had the idea to maybe vary it with some lettuce.
Grilledmeatn'grilledfishn'saladn'dipsn'breadn'oil. Lovely stuff. Best in Cyprus though (so not truly Greek), if don't mind the dodgy wine.
Nah. Even at that level Greek food is comically disgusting. It has the finesse of Findus fish fingers.
I just can't work out WHY. They are on the same latitude as Spain and Italy and surrounded by seafood.
Greek alcoholic drinks are also revolting. I don't know why.
Yes, I've noticed that, too: the wine is repulsive. Ouzo tastes like old bleach mixed with some leftover Ricard. The various liqueurs and brandies are emetic.
Everything is horrible.
It is most peculiar. I can't pinpoint why, culturally. They were never taken over by the communists (a guarantee of bad food).
Ah, the hypocrisy of comically incompetent tory spinners. Always amusing.
Guess who said this?
That means updating the old free market orthodoxy, and understanding the reasons why capitalism has become so unpopular. Reasons like the apparent absence of a moral framework because people might not follow the minutiae of over-leveraging or short-selling, but they know that the roots of our current crisis lie in recklessness and greed.
Reasons like the disconnection between capitalism and people's lives because someone working in the local branch of a global corporation can feel like little more than flotsam in some vast international sea of business their destiny decided by someone else, somewhere else as globalisation can turn into monopolisation, sweeping aside the small, personal, local competition in our neighbourhoods.
And that links to a third - and even more important - reason why capitalism has become unpopular: the incredible inequality of the modern world. Too often, the winners have taken it all. Today, the poorest half of the world's population own less than one per cent of the world's wealth. We've got a lot of capital but not many capitalists, and people rightly think that isn't fair.
So this is what too many people see when they look at capitalism today. Markets without morality. Globalisation without competition. And wealth without fairness. It all adds up to capitalism without a conscience and we've got to put it right. CAPITALISM WITH A CONSCIENCE
So I think it's time to update the free market orthodoxy that has dominated the past few decades. It's time to assert a fundamental truth: that markets are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Markets are there to serve our society, not to suck the joy out of it or trample over its values. So we must shape capitalism to suit the needs of society; not shape society to suit the needs of capitalism.
That is what I mean by responsible business. Business helping to create a society that is greener, safer, fairer - and where opportunity is more equal. Business helping to create a society that is more family-friendly, where responsibility and power are decentralised, and where we value and build up the institutions of the public realm and civic society.
Too difficult for you? Here's a clue, he's a second rate Blair impersonator.
May has pledged to scrap labour's Human Rights act
Does that have any effect in real terms?
Yes, it means that peoiple seeking redress under the ECHR who can now have their case heard by British judges will now need to go to Strasbourg to be heard by European judges. The rights themselves are unchanged. Essentially it makes the process slower and more expensive (which might reduce the number of cases, as the Conservative might wish) and also more foreign (which is possibly not what the Conservatives might wish).
As for fathers, if Cameron or any of the others had a father with controversial views, I wouldn't dream of raising it, and - a separate point - I doubt if it would win any votes if we did. There is a PB poster with a relative who had controversial views, and nobody ever thinks it's relevant or even interesting. Come to that my dad's cousin was Tory Chief Whip - how appalling is that? :-)
I doubt if even Mail readers will change their views of Ed particularly.
I imagine seeing the father that he clearly loved trashed in that way all to get at him does make Ed pretty angry, especially as his father has no ability to reply.
Ralph Miliband , in the midst of the Nazi Blitz ; "As for the country that gave him and his family protection, the 17-year-old wrote in his diary: 'The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world . . . you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the Continent . . . To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation.' "
If this isn't worthy of criticism and contempt , then nothing is.
I'll take the three years Royal Navy service of the man over a single diary entry of the boy.......
I'm amazed at the lack of !!!! of Osborne saying he'll run a surplus post GE2015 - that's a stunning bit of policy that implies a very tight fiscal policy after the election to achieve it.
Does anyone actually believe it ? Osborne will simply wriggle out of it if he needs to.
Osborne has been operating a cash surplus (on the Public Sector Net Cash Requirement Account, the old "PSBR") every month of this calendar year.
Even Public Sector Net Borrowing has been negative in a couple of months (Jan and July).
Here is a little chart to show how St. George is weaving his magic:
========================================== 2013 Jul Aug
Net borrowing −1,119 11,452
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Net lending to −6,291 −6,086 private sector and rest of world
Net acquisition of −9,605 −9,082 company securities
Ralph Miliband had some really weird and just plain wrong ideas. Everyone who thought that Marx had a point was much the same.
His own son, David, stated that he was talking drivel towards the end, living in a fantasy land and different world with different people in it from this one.
Ed has been a lot less critical of his dad. I can think of about 1,000 better reasons off the top of my head for criticising him than that.
He didn't say "upper class Englishmen are rabid nationalists" he said THE ENGLISHMAN is a rabid nationalist, a comment both contemptuous, dismissive, unbelievably ungracious (given that he was being sheltered by England) and also racist (by today's standards). He then went on to *almost* wish we would lose the war to Nazi Germany.
I feel sure you would be defending George Osborne in similar style if it was discovered his father was an immigrant fascist, who disliked the Brits, and almost wanted us to be defeated by Stalin.
He wrote clumsily - as a 17 year old whose first language was not English - what Orwell wrote much better. You can judge him by that if you want to (and clearly you do), but maybe someone more fair-minded would look at what he did with his life, accept his politics were crap, but also accept that he never demonstrated any hatred for this country at all and in fact served it during its hour of greatest need.
Orwell held Ralph Miliband's patron , Harold Laski , in complete contempt ;
David Cameron's inherited family wealth 'based in foreign tax havens'
The Prime Minister’s father, Ian Cameron, profited from a legal network of offshore investment funds based in countries including Panama and Switzerland, it was claimed.
Ian Cameron died in 2010 and left £2.7 million in his will. David Cameron inherited £300,000.
David Cameron's inherited family wealth 'based in foreign tax havens'
The Prime Minister’s father, Ian Cameron, profited from a legal network of offshore investment funds based in countries including Panama and Switzerland, it was claimed.
Ian Cameron died in 2010 and left £2.7 million in his will. David Cameron inherited £300,000.
Hm, while tax avoidance is pretty grubby, it is legal. The treasury should look into closing these loopholes if it is a genuine exploitation of the rules.
After YouGov's 11% lead on Sunday, today's Populus and ComRes are a pretty big relief to Con supporters.
Evening all
The moves on Com Res seem mainly from UKIP to the Conservatives. Their combined share is moved from 45% to 44% but the Tories are up five and UKIP are down six.
The combined Labour-Lib Dem share is up two from 46 to 48%.
As for fathers, if Cameron or any of the others had a father with controversial views, I wouldn't dream of raising it, and - a separate point - I doubt if it would win any votes if we did. There is a PB poster with a relative who had controversial views, and nobody ever thinks it's relevant or even interesting. Come to that my dad's cousin was Tory Chief Whip - how appalling is that? :-)
I doubt if even Mail readers will change their views of Ed particularly.
If Cameron's dad was a fascist - or any father of any Tory minister - of course Lefties would bloody raise it. We'd never hear the last of it.
Moreover, Miliband by all accounts sees his Dad as a hero, and his career is a self-confessed attempt to further his father's beliefs (albeit in moderated form). So it is entirely relevant.
As an ex-communist yourself you probably find nothing objectionable in this, but arguing it is off-limits is absurd.
Ah, the hypocrisy of comically incompetent tory spinners. Always amusing.
Guess who said this?
That means updating the old free market orthodoxy, and understanding the reasons why capitalism has become so unpopular. Reasons like the apparent absence of a moral framework because people might not follow the minutiae of over-leveraging or short-selling, but they know that the roots of our current crisis lie in recklessness and greed.
Reasons like the disconnection between capitalism and people's lives because someone working in the local branch of a global corporation can feel like little more than flotsam in some vast international sea of business their destiny decided by someone else, somewhere else as globalisation can turn into monopolisation, sweeping aside the small, personal, local competition in our neighbourhoods.
...
So this is what too many people see when they look at capitalism today. Markets without morality. Globalisation without competition. And wealth without fairness. It all adds up to capitalism without a conscience and we've got to put it right. CAPITALISM WITH A CONSCIENCE
So I think it's time to update the free market orthodoxy that has dominated the past few decades. It's time to assert a fundamental truth: that markets are a means to an end, not an end in themselves. Markets are there to serve our society, not to suck the joy out of it or trample over its values. So we must shape capitalism to suit the needs of society; not shape society to suit the needs of capitalism.
That is what I mean by responsible business. Business helping to create a society that is greener, safer, fairer - and where opportunity is more equal. Business helping to create a society that is more family-friendly, where responsibility and power are decentralised, and where we value and build up the institutions of the public realm and civic society.
Too difficult for you? Here's a clue, he's a second rate Blair impersonator.
Reads like it has written to impress a tutor who identifies with the Lib Dems, Pork.
Run off quickly before a Bullingdon Club dinner.
We all have to sell our principles short at times.
Hm, while tax avoidance is pretty grubby, it is legal. The treasury should look into closing these loopholes if it is a genuine exploitation of the rules.
I wouldn't hold your breath for that even though the above polling showing which groups in society Tories are seen as being close to should serve as a pretty massive warning to Cammie and Osbrowne.
Tax avoidance schemes 'costs UK billions in lost revenue'
The inability of HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) to properly curb aggressive tax avoidance schemes is costing the UK billions of pounds, a report suggests.
The National Audit Office said HMRC was dealing with a backlog of 41,000 cases involving individuals and small companies, with up to £10.2bn at stake.
The spending watchdog said tackling avoidance, which is not illegal, was difficult but HMRC must do better.
HMRC said it had successfully challenged 40 schemes in two years.
The coalition government has made cracking down on tax avoidance and evasion one of its key priorities as part of efforts to boost the exchequer and reduce the deficit.
But according to the NAO, between 2004 and 2011 about 2,300 avoidance schemes were disclosed to the tax authorities, with more than 100 new schemes emerging in each of the past four years.
The moves on Com Res seem mainly from UKIP to the Conservatives. Their combined share is moved from 45% to 44% but the Tories are up four and UKIP are down six.
The combined Labour-Lib Dem share is up two from 46 to 48%.
Thanks - good analysis. But given initial reaction to Ed's speech I think Con will more than settle for that.
"What a marvellously patronising post - I don't see politics through your prism of never ending references to Notting Hill or chums or whatever. I never call any of them toffs or posh or common as I can't stand class war and its hangers on."
If you ceased your cultural cringe to nice looking posh blokes and tried to open your mind you might notice that the people waging class warfare are the privileged metropolitans including Cameron and his set.
Its not just old union bosses who can wage class war but your wannabe Mr Darcy as well.
David Cameron's inherited family wealth 'based in foreign tax havens'
The Prime Minister’s father, Ian Cameron, profited from a legal network of offshore investment funds based in countries including Panama and Switzerland, it was claimed.
Ian Cameron died in 2010 and left £2.7 million in his will. David Cameron inherited £300,000.
Hm, while tax avoidance is pretty grubby, it is legal. The treasury should look into closing these loopholes if it is a genuine exploitation of the rules.
Pork
If Eck has his way, it won't be long before your savings account with the Berwick branch of the Co-op Bank will be considered 'off-shore'.
Having just dissed all Greek cuisine, I have just had my first decent Greek meal, with decent Greek wine. Mind you I had to pay €20 for the plonk in a supermarket, and €40 for roast wild seabass with chips, which it would be hard to f*ck up, even for a Greek.
Does anyone have any ideas why Greek food and wine is so crap ?
Go to a supermarket and you'll see plenty of good food and wine from Italy, Spain and Portugal but very little from Greece.
You're usually more on the ball than that Charles.
So why didn't Farage highlight them as (more credible) Tories he could do business with? Either he doesn't trust them to be pure as the driven snow when they face reality, or he is afraid they would be more credible leaders of a BOO party than he would.
The moves on Com Res seem mainly from UKIP to the Conservatives. Their combined share is moved from 45% to 44% but the Tories are up four and UKIP are down six.
The combined Labour-Lib Dem share is up two from 46 to 48%.
Thanks - good analysis. But given initial reaction to Ed's speech I think Con will more than settle for that.
For the record Con is actually up 5.
Con +5, UKIP -6 gives (Con+UKIP) -1
You cannot compare this Comres poll with the last one . This is a telephone poll the last an online poll . The two sets of polls are completely different series . The last telephone poll was Lab 37 Con 31 LD 12 UKIP 10
Theresa may impresses me yet again with her speech and as home secretary,I can't help thinking if she was tory leader/PM - tories would be ahead in the polls.
Having just dissed all Greek cuisine, I have just had my first decent Greek meal, with decent Greek wine. Mind you I had to pay €20 for the plonk in a supermarket, and €40 for roast wild seabass with chips, which it would be hard to f*ck up, even for a Greek.
Does anyone have any ideas why Greek food and wine is so crap ?
Go to a supermarket and you'll see plenty of good food and wine from Italy, Spain and Portugal but very little from Greece.
I find Retsina a good settling out wine. It gets better the closer to the bottom of the bottle you are hic
You cannot compare this Comres poll with the last one . This is a telephone poll the last an online poll . The two sets of polls are completely different series . The last telephone poll was Lab 37 Con 31 LD 12 UKIP 10
How could I break such a golden rule of PB!!!!!!!!!!
Although I wasn't actually the one who (initially) made the comparison.
But the point stands re where we are following Ed's speech.
I imagine the men and women from the cradle of civilisation have more pressing demands on their time than to fulfil your supermarket curiosity. Anyone called Richard, and therefore likely British, is on pretty thin ground criticising any country's food anyway.
More seriously though it's pretty likely that any great dish from Greece would have worked it's way throughout the world. It's surely more astonishing that there may be Greek food that we don't all cook!
Having just dissed all Greek cuisine, I have just had my first decent Greek meal, with decent Greek wine. Mind you I had to pay €20 for the plonk in a supermarket, and €40 for roast wild seabass with chips, which it would be hard to f*ck up, even for a Greek.
Does anyone have any ideas why Greek food and wine is so crap ?
Go to a supermarket and you'll see plenty of good food and wine from Italy, Spain and Portugal but very little from Greece.
I am actually, now, finally, after much searching, drinking a rather nice Greek wine:
Only problem is it cost €19 and it's about as nice as a €10 Australian. But still. It is very drinkable.
Intriguingly, it is Cretan: from Heraklion.
I think the mediocrity of Greek food must be related to some kind of intense rural conservatism. i.e. we came up with a decent salad in 1000BC and we're not gonna change it.
That is the best explanation I have, at the mo.
It's also notable that surrounding cuisines - in the Balkans, Egypt, Libya, the Levant (with the possible exception of Lebanon) - are equally boring, if not worse.
You have deliberately skipped over Turkish food, which is quite acceptable.
You're usually more on the ball than that Charles.
So why didn't Farage highlight them as (more credible) Tories he could do business with? Either he doesn't trust them to be pure as the driven snow when they face reality, or he is afraid they would be more credible leaders of a BOO party than he would.
He did, just not for one of those two. He went for the darling of the tory grass roots Boris instead and said he could envision doing business with him.
Of course, you could then ask why highlight Boris when he isn't even in parliament and it was always on the unlikely side that he would be before the election. So if your point is that Farage likes to raise hypotheticals, that don't need to be tested before the election but are pure mischief making, then you would be quite correct.
It's also pertinent that Hammond and Gove still left some minute wriggle room in their OUT posturing - so they could support any theoretical repatriation of powers and staying IN at a future date - but their posturing is unmistakably towards full blown OUT, and for a reason.
You cannot compare this Comres poll with the last one . This is a telephone poll the last an online poll . The two sets of polls are completely different series . The last telephone poll was Lab 37 Con 31 LD 12 UKIP 10
Mark, I'm afraid I'm the guilty party on this one.
I shall send myself to the corner with the Angus Reid dunce's hat.
Having just dissed all Greek cuisine, I have just had my first decent Greek meal, with decent Greek wine. Mind you I had to pay €20 for the plonk in a supermarket, and €40 for roast wild seabass with chips, which it would be hard to f*ck up, even for a Greek.
Does anyone have any ideas why Greek food and wine is so crap ?
Go to a supermarket and you'll see plenty of good food and wine from Italy, Spain and Portugal but very little from Greece.
I am actually, now, finally, after much searching, drinking a rather nice Greek wine:
Only problem is it cost €19 and it's about as nice as a €10 Australian. But still. It is very drinkable.
Intriguingly, it is Cretan: from Heraklion.
I think the mediocrity of Greek food must be related to some kind of intense rural conservatism. i.e. we came up with a decent salad in 1000BC and we're not gonna change it.
That is the best explanation I have, at the mo.
It's also notable that surrounding cuisines - in the Balkans, Egypt, Libya, the Levant (with the possible exception of Lebanon) - are equally boring, if not worse.
The quality of Greek cuisine is one of the reasons we have relatively rarely holidayed there. It is terrible. Even Turkish food is better and it is not much to write home about. Climate, historical sites, accomodation, facilities etc all up to scratch or more. Food, not so much.
If Cameron's dad was a fascist - or any father of any Tory minister - of course Lefties would bloody raise it. We'd never hear the last of it.
'Lefties' seemed pretty tolerant of a self-confessed Nazi serving as a minister under Thatch (and being greatly esteemed by her), I think we could cope with Fascist daddies. In truth it's the modern Conservative party that couldn't cope with it.
Have you ever served in this country's armed services Moniker? No, I thought not.
What has that got to do with the price of beer-simmered bratwurst? If you want to compare medals then I'm game.
I think SO's point was that Ralph Miliband couldn't be unpatriotic because he served in HMF. A point, whether SO realised it or not, that was more pertinent because as it sounds like you are aware, half the serving squaddies would be banged up for treason if you took their every word as genuine heartfelt intent.
Surely the interesting thing about POPULUS is how narrow the gap is. All polling firms do weighting - why pick on this one?
Because the UKIP change is very high. 274 responses became 103.
It could be because UKIPers try and game polls by signing up on mass to polling firms which paints an unrealistic picture of their true support. It's partly why phone polls are much more valuable for punters.
The above statement by MaxPB shows the true paranoia of the anti- Ukipper. You only have to look at the real election results for September to see that UKIP are polling at around 26% of the vote. Put that in your Populus pipe!
But UKIP will get nothing like 26% at the general election, even if we held one tomorrow, and that's the basis that polls work.
@Grandiose You really don't know that, Grandiose. These are game changing times. I fully expect that if UKIP come top of the poll for the EU elections next year, then for the GE, I expect that UKIP will average around 18/21%.
Good for Osborne getting his hair cut. Very smart. If he turned up to re-wire my kitchen, I wouldn't bat an eyelid. Looks the part. But he hasn't really made much progress with that cockney accent has he. Still to turn the corner on that one. Henry Higgins would not be seeing no green shoots there.
Can't really ask that question - a 90 score might be a '62 Romanee Conti or a 2010 Leoville Las Cases. ie it rates a wine at different stages (sorry to sound like a tosser...).
An answer could be that it would command a premium over a "lesser" wine so a Parker 90 might sell for 1.5x what a Parker 85...
There are also those who thoroughly disagree with Parker and the whole industry that has risen up around his ratings.
Did I answer _any_ of your question?
(Edit: reviewed my post. Yep, total tosser. Apols. In short, a 90-rated Parker wine would be something you would be delighted to receive from a guest at a supper party.)
Chicharron, a 'dish' of Peru. Here we'd call them giant pork scratchings. Luckily I quite like pork scratchings. But preferably not the size of a Yorkshire Terrier.
I'm sure that episode has been on TV. It's where the barrier around the galaxy is found and the guy and woman seen towards the end get affected by the radiation and turn into gods!
It is a very telling quote. It is worth noting that as an orthodox marxist he may have been torn between his antifascist and Polish Jewish roots and supporting the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. At that time 1940 Communists were allied to Hitler and supplying food and other resources to Nazi Germany. In 1943 he joined the RN, when Stalin had been forced to change sides.
It was these changes of allegience that inspired parts of Orwells 1984. Support the party line, even if it changes...
I imagine seeing the father that he clearly loved trashed in that way all to get at him does make Ed pretty angry, especially as his father has no ability to reply.
Ralph Miliband , in the midst of the Nazi Blitz ;
"As for the country that gave him and his family protection, the 17-year-old wrote in his diary: 'The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world . . . you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the Continent . . . To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation.' "
If this isn't worthy of criticism and contempt , then nothing is.
Having just dissed all Greek cuisine, I have just had my first decent Greek meal, with decent Greek wine. Mind you I had to pay €20 for the plonk in a supermarket, and €40 for roast wild seabass with chips, which it would be hard to f*ck up, even for a Greek.
Does anyone have any ideas why Greek food and wine is so crap ?
Go to a supermarket and you'll see plenty of good food and wine from Italy, Spain and Portugal but very little from Greece.
I am actually, now, finally, after much searching, drinking a rather nice Greek wine:
Only problem is it cost €19 and it's about as nice as a €10 Australian. But still. It is very drinkable.
Intriguingly, it is Cretan: from Heraklion.
I think the mediocrity of Greek food must be related to some kind of intense rural conservatism. i.e. we came up with a decent salad in 1000BC and we're not gonna change it.
That is the best explanation I have, at the mo.
It's also notable that surrounding cuisines - in the Balkans, Egypt, Libya, the Levant (with the possible exception of Lebanon) - are equally boring, if not worse.
The quality of Greek cuisine is one of the reasons we have relatively rarely holidayed there. It is terrible. Even Turkish food is better and it is not much to write home about. Climate, historical sites, accomodation, facilities etc all up to scratch or more. Food, not so much.
Poverty over many centuries is the obvious answer, and explains why it gets even worse as you go on clockwise round the Med. Fancy new dishes require fancy ingredients and swanky restaurateurs.
btw given that the farmed seabass in Tesco is all from Greece, I wouldn't bet the farm on the wildness of the wild seabass in Greek restaurants.
And PS come to think of it, spinakopitta are delicious.
It is a very telling quote. It is worth noting that as an orthodox marxist he may have been torn between his antifascist and Polish Jewish roots and supporting the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. At that time 1940 Communists were allied to Hitler and supplying food and other resources to Nazi Germany. In 1943 he joined the RN, when Stalin had been forced to change sides.
It was these changes of allegience that inspired parts of Orwells 1984. Support the party line, even if it changes...
I imagine seeing the father that he clearly loved trashed in that way all to get at him does make Ed pretty angry, especially as his father has no ability to reply.
Ralph Miliband , in the midst of the Nazi Blitz ;
"As for the country that gave him and his family protection, the 17-year-old wrote in his diary: 'The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world . . . you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the Continent . . . To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation.' "
If this isn't worthy of criticism and contempt , then nothing is.
Of course it is equally possible that a young jewish immigrant in the London of the 1940s, newly arrived and with ordinary English, had been treated pretty poorly. Anti semitism was by no means just a German phenomenon.
This really is not productive territory and people should leave it.
I've watched so much Star Trek and pilots and clips I've no idea what originally saw the light of day - YouTube is like one long deja vu trip!
The original Star Trek pilot was "The Cage", with Captain Christopher Pike (NOT James Kirk!). But it was rejected by NBC in 1965, so another pilot called "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was made. Much original footage from "The Cage" was later incorporated into the first season two-parter, "The Menagerie".
I've watched so much Star Trek and pilots and clips I've no idea what originally saw the light of day - YouTube is like one long deja vu trip!
The original Star Trek pilot was "The Cage", with Captain Christopher Pike (NOT James Kirk!). But it was rejected by NBC in 1965, so another pilot called "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was made. Much original footage from "The Cage" was later incorporated into the first season two-parter, "The Menagerie".
Yup that sounds familiar - I've the whole Original series here and watched it dozens of times - there a just episodes that trump all others
As for fathers, if Cameron or any of the others had a father with controversial views, I wouldn't dream of raising it, and - a separate point - I doubt if it would win any votes if we did. There is a PB poster with a relative who had controversial views, and nobody ever thinks it's relevant or even interesting. Come to that my dad's cousin was Tory Chief Whip - how appalling is that? :-)
I doubt if even Mail readers will change their views of Ed particularly.
If Cameron's dad was a fascist - or any father of any Tory minister - of course Lefties would bloody raise it. We'd never hear the last of it.
Moreover, Miliband by all accounts sees his Dad as a hero, and his career is a self-confessed attempt to further his father's beliefs (albeit in moderated form). So it is entirely relevant.
As an ex-communist yourself you probably find nothing objectionable in this, but arguing it is off-limits is absurd.
Can't really ask that question - a 90 score might be a '62 Romanee Conti or a 2010 Leoville Las Cases. ie it rates a wine at different stages (sorry to sound like a tosser...).
An answer could be that it would command a premium over a "lesser" wine so a Parker 90 might sell for 1.5x what a Parker 85...
There are also those who thoroughly disagree with Parker and the whole industry that has risen up around his ratings.
Did I answer _any_ of your question?
(Edit: reviewed my post. Yep, total tosser. Apols. In short, a 90-rated Parker wine would be something you would be delighted to receive from a guest at a supper party.)
Don't worry you sounded more knowledgeable than tosserish.
And as we have SeanT to set the standard for pretentious wine reviews you have nothing to worry about.
I asked because Lidl have a Chilean cabernet at 90PP for £6.99. Its pretty good but I don't have the palette to be discerning enough. Something for which I am rather grateful.
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The issue for me is that referenda are more often than not won on the merits of the argument but on the relative strengths of the two sides. That was certainly true in 1975 and will be equally true today. As long as Cameron remains in charge of the Tories, all three main party machineries will remain solidly pro EU.
It does strike me that the best chance of actually getting out of the EU (short of them doing something else utterly stupid to alienate yet more people - which is always a possibility) is for Miliband to concede the need for a referendum and then after winning the election to be faced with a Tory opposition with a properly Eurosceptic leader.
Couldn't have happened to a nicer bloke.
I do not for a second believe it will be either a straight or fair fight. I was probably supid to think it would be in the first place.
I will still wait until the actual vote to pay up if that is alright because if there is one thing more certain than the dishonesty of politicians it is the ability of the EU itself to do yet more damage to its own reputation.
The real tim was funny.
Interestingly enough, the context was me saying pretty much what you are now saying. It was precisely because I think it would not be a winnable contest for the Out side (against the combined forces of the EU, the establishment view, much of big business, and the BBC) that I think the renegotiation route is the best one; it would allow a face-saving deal whereby we gently disengage without scaring the horses. If we make it a straight In/Out dichotomy, fear, uncertainty and doubt will prevail and we'll get stuck with staying In with no improvement in terms and give an implicit seal of approval to ever-closer union. We need to be more subtle if we're to undo the mistakes and concessions made in the past (under both parties).
Another old Etonian following Cameron would be to compound the Tories' existing problems.The 5-1 is not for me as I tend think he is another Heseltine,flaming blond locks.He didn't make it either.
"As for the country that gave him and his family protection, the 17-year-old wrote in his diary: 'The Englishman is a rabid nationalist. They are perhaps the most nationalist people in the world . . . you sometimes want them almost to lose (the war) to show them how things are. They have the greatest contempt for the Continent . . . To lose their empire would be the worst possible humiliation.' "
If this isn't worthy of criticism and contempt , then nothing is.
It is most definitely NOT just Bone or Cash anymore.
The ground has shifted considerably and it's going to keep shifting. That's as close to full blown out as you can get and still have some minute wriggle room.
In any future scenario where every precious MP's vote and votes from the base will decide the tory leadership that wriggle room will almost certainly vanish and those who can sound most eurosceptic will prosper.
'Did the terrible backlash against Ed happen then, or was the PB Tory weathervane as knackered as ever?'
Shame only a minority of voters believe Ed.
'Only a minority of voters – including a minority of Labour voters in some cases – think the Labour party will achieve the goals outlined in Ed Miliband's conference speech
Labour leader Ed Miliband’s speech on Tuesday at the 2013 Labour Party Conference reportedly delighted supporters in the crowd, but a new Yougov poll for The Sun reveals that voters are highly sceptical of the Labour Party’s ability to achieve some of the key policies raised in the speech.
The pledge voters are most likely to think a hypothetical Labour Government could achieve is lowering the voting age to 16, which 37% of voters think Labour would achieve and 36% think it would not achieve. Fewer than a third of voters have confidence Labour could improve the NHS (31%), freeze gas and electricity prices for two years (30%) or build 200,000 new houses a year by 2020 (25%), while about half of the public (49%, 50% and 50%, respectively) is openly doubtful that Labour could keep these three promises'.
Of course you are right that the article is trying to imply Ed is extreme like his father was, but that's a different point. And I must say, the quotes that the article has come up are disturbingly supportive of this case:
'Advanced capitalism is all but synonymous with giant enterprise; and nothing about the economic organisation of these countries is more basically important than the increasing domination of key sectors ... industrial, financial and commercial ... by a relatively small number of giant firms, often interlinked.'
That could have been written by Ed.
In other words, Ralph Miliband was a dyed-in-the-wool socialist, I hate everything his son stands for, it's all fair game.
I feel sure you would be defending George Osborne in similar style if it was discovered his father was an immigrant fascist, who disliked the Brits, and almost wanted us to be defeated by Stalin.
He wrote clumsily - as a 17 year old whose first language was not English - what Orwell wrote much better. You can judge him by that if you want to (and clearly you do), but maybe someone more fair-minded would look at what he did with his life, accept his politics were crap, but also accept that he never demonstrated any hatred for this country at all and in fact served it during its hour of greatest need.
Guess who said this? Too difficult for you? Here's a clue, he's a second rate Blair impersonator.
I doubt if even Mail readers will change their views of Ed particularly.
Other than that, pretty good really.
Even Public Sector Net Borrowing has been negative in a couple of months (Jan and July).
Here is a little chart to show how St. George is weaving his magic:
His own son, David, stated that he was talking drivel towards the end, living in a fantasy land and different world with different people in it from this one.
Ed has been a lot less critical of his dad. I can think of about 1,000 better reasons off the top of my head for criticising him than that.
Orwell held Ralph Miliband's patron , Harold Laski , in complete contempt ;
http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2013/02/george-orwell-slices-and-dices-harold.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4LUcWpu13s
LOL
But the haircut did appeal to floaters who had recently converted to Conservatism.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4LUcWpu13s
LOL
Hm, while tax avoidance is pretty grubby, it is legal. The treasury should look into closing these loopholes if it is a genuine exploitation of the rules.
The moves on Com Res seem mainly from UKIP to the Conservatives. Their combined share is moved from 45% to 44% but the Tories are up five and UKIP are down six.
The combined Labour-Lib Dem share is up two from 46 to 48%.
Reads like it has written to impress a tutor who identifies with the Lib Dems, Pork.
Run off quickly before a Bullingdon Club dinner.
We all have to sell our principles short at times.
For the record Con is actually up 5.
Con +5, UKIP -6 gives (Con+UKIP) -1
Welcome back tim!
"What a marvellously patronising post - I don't see politics through your prism of never ending references to Notting Hill or chums or whatever. I never call any of them toffs or posh or common as I can't stand class war and its hangers on."
If you ceased your cultural cringe to nice looking posh blokes and tried to open your mind you might notice that the people waging class warfare are the privileged metropolitans including Cameron and his set.
Its not just old union bosses who can wage class war but your wannabe Mr Darcy as well.
Pork
If Eck has his way, it won't be long before your savings account with the Berwick branch of the Co-op Bank will be considered 'off-shore'.
If you want to compare medals then I'm game.
Go to a supermarket and you'll see plenty of good food and wine from Italy, Spain and Portugal but very little from Greece.
Lab 37 Con 31 LD 12 UKIP 10
Although I wasn't actually the one who (initially) made the comparison.
But the point stands re where we are following Ed's speech.
More seriously though it's pretty likely that any great dish from Greece would have worked it's way throughout the world. It's surely more astonishing that there may be Greek food that we don't all cook!
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/2013/09/a-warm-tuc-welcome-to-manchester/
just read the comments, this place is a haven of good natured debate compared to those peeps.
Imam Bayildi is one of my favourite dishes.
Of course, you could then ask why highlight Boris when he isn't even in parliament and it was always on the unlikely side that he would be before the election. So if your point is that Farage likes to raise hypotheticals, that don't need to be tested before the election but are pure mischief making, then you would be quite correct.
It's also pertinent that Hammond and Gove still left some minute wriggle room in their OUT posturing - so they could support any theoretical repatriation of powers and staying IN at a future date - but their posturing is unmistakably towards full blown OUT, and for a reason.
I shall send myself to the corner with the Angus Reid dunce's hat.
The result effectively being rich metropolitans.
And the Conservatives are viewed as being closer to gays and ethnic minorites than 'people like me'.
Now that's an okay image if you want to be a FDP type party but not the image if you want to win an overall majority.
Lab 37
Con 33
LD 11
UKIP 11
ComradeRes/The Sunil:
Progressives 48%
Tory/UKIP 44%
So Pm Miliband it is then.
what a disaster that would be.
Water in Majorca: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvdj2St4ndk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFtc2Ypwzl0
How good is a wine with 90 Parker points ?
And what would it cost on average.
An answer could be that it would command a premium over a "lesser" wine so a Parker 90 might sell for 1.5x what a Parker 85...
There are also those who thoroughly disagree with Parker and the whole industry that has risen up around his ratings.
Did I answer _any_ of your question?
(Edit: reviewed my post. Yep, total tosser. Apols. In short, a 90-rated Parker wine would be something you would be delighted to receive from a guest at a supper party.)
It was these changes of allegience that inspired parts of Orwells 1984. Support the party line, even if it changes...
btw given that the farmed seabass in Tesco is all from Greece, I wouldn't bet the farm on the wildness of the wild seabass in Greek restaurants.
And PS come to think of it, spinakopitta are delicious.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jameskirkup/100238622/conservative-party-conference-2013-fear-and-loathing-of-ed-miliband/
This really is not productive territory and people should leave it.
I've watched so much Star Trek and pilots and clips I've no idea what originally saw the light of day - YouTube is like one long deja vu trip!
But it was rejected by NBC in 1965, so another pilot called "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was made. Much original footage from "The Cage" was later incorporated into the first season two-parter, "The Menagerie".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vi7QQ5pO7_A
Mythos lager is palatable.
And as we have SeanT to set the standard for pretentious wine reviews you have nothing to worry about.
I asked because Lidl have a Chilean cabernet at 90PP for £6.99. Its pretty good but I don't have the palette to be discerning enough. Something for which I am rather grateful.