Corbyn was quite clear on Thursday night he opposed a second referendum and also that a significant minority of Labour voters voted Leave
This would be the politically advantageous position to be taking even if he planned to support a second referendum, because the way to keep everybody in the tent is to be non-committal throughout the negotiation then be shocked, shocked at how terrible the ultimate deal is and how it betrays the hard-working British voters who set a clear democratic mandate for having cake and eating it.
That still does not mean Corbyn would back a referendum even after any deal especially as staying in the EU and reversing the Leave vote means staying in the single market which he is ideologically opposed too and keeping free movement which working class Leave voters in Labour Leave seats oppose
Perhaps Momentum will have to bring him down and replace him with a Remainer-lefty.
"If Mueller and his team expose Farage, Banks, and others involved in Brexit, it could shine further light on the global implications of Russia meddling in elections and important social issues around the world."
Two events that benefited Russia and Farage was involved in both.
Corbyn was quite clear on Thursday night he opposed a second referendum and also that a significant minority of Labour voters voted Leave
This would be the politically advantageous position to be taking even if he planned to support a second referendum, because the way to keep everybody in the tent is to be non-committal throughout the negotiation then be shocked, shocked at how terrible the ultimate deal is and how it betrays the hard-working British voters who set a clear democratic mandate for having cake and eating it.
That still does not mean Corbyn would back a referendum even after any deal especially as staying in the EU and reversing the Leave vote means staying in the single market which he is ideologically opposed too and keeping free movement which working class Leave voters in Labour Leave seats oppose
Perhaps Momentum will have to bring him down and replace him with a Remainer-lefty.
Obviously the role of handmaids is different here but you know...
I have a feeling she’ll be Trump’s nominee. 46 as well, so she’ll be there for a long time. Plus, as someone said on twitter those Republicans will love it if it’s a woman to bring down Roe v Wade.
On Roe, I think TSE's point is right. There will not be an outright reversal but it will be eroded at the state level, which most Republicans control
Never underestimate the capacity of the Supreme Court to come up with a shocker, particularly on a contentious issue, and particularly when there's the possibility of a cadre of judges getting into a form of group confirmation bias and reinforcing - and taking further - each others' opinions.
I'm sure I don't need to cite the worst example but it's not the only such one.
Leclerc is going to take a penalty for a new gearbox, and Verstappen’s car is in a race to make qualifying as they fix an electrical gremlin that caused his car to cut out at the end of P3.
Because handing a box of matches to a small child, declaring that fresh leadership is required to deal with the resulting fire, and swanning off to the shepherd's hut to write your memoirs is in no way culpable behaviour.
Thank god Dave was "rather good" at his job. Look where he has left us, and think how much worse things could have been if he'd been a bit crap.
I like Messi, but that’s not enough to stem my dislike of Argentina (the team, I don’t dislike the country). I’ve never really disliked the French team that much, although I did think their implosion in 2010 was hilarious.
Because handing a box of matches to a small child, declaring that fresh leadership is required to deal with the resulting fire, and swanning off to the shepherd's hut to write your memoirs is in no way culpable behaviour.
Thank god Dave was "rather good" at his job. Look where he has left us, and think how much worse things could have been if he'd been a bit crap.
The irony of George Osborne telling others to take responsibility is rather choice.
Who is a good patriotic Englishman like myself expected to cheer for?
Well we have fought more wars against France but our most recent war was against Argentina and Argentina still likely pose a bigger military threat to us than France over the Falklands. Though then again France are the biggest proponents of giving us a bad Brexit deal if any deal at all and the French are least sorry of any EU nation we are leaving the EU and vetoed our EEC entry in the first place. I suppose we just have to wait until if the winner plays Portugal, our oldest ally
Because handing a box of matches to a small child, declaring that fresh leadership is required to deal with the resulting fire, and swanning off to the shepherd's hut to write your memoirs is in no way culpable behaviour.
Thank god Dave was "rather good" at his job. Look where he has left us, and think how much worse things could have been if he'd been a bit crap.
The irony of George Osborne telling others to take responsibility is rather choice.
"Because I have one of the greatest jobs in the solar system. As long as freedom of movement keeps flowing, I can do anything I want. Anything! In fact, the only thing I worry about is, one day, if the Leavers win, it all might end. And you're F***KING MAKING IT HAPPEN! First, you gave the Leavers their Referendum and then you let them win it!"
Because handing a box of matches to a small child, declaring that fresh leadership is required to deal with the resulting fire, and swanning off to the shepherd's hut to write your memoirs is in no way culpable behaviour.
Thank god Dave was "rather good" at his job. Look where he has left us, and think how much worse things could have been if he'd been a bit crap.
The irony of George Osborne telling others to take responsibility is rather choice.
Well quite. He prefers getting paid to snipe from the sidelines to actually being involved in government.
Great article. The consequence of a Supreme Court decisively committed to prioritising state level authority will be to make the USA less united as its states go in radically different directions. I doubt that is something its advocates would welcome.
Indeed, though Mississippi is culturally and economically as far apart from Massachusetts in the USA as Poland is from the Netherlands in the EU
Except that they speak, more or less, the same language.
Because handing a box of matches to a small child, declaring that fresh leadership is required to deal with the resulting fire, and swanning off to the shepherd's hut to write your memoirs is in no way culpable behaviour.
Thank god Dave was "rather good" at his job. Look where he has left us, and think how much worse things could have been if he'd been a bit crap.
The irony of George Osborne telling others to take responsibility is rather choice.
Well quite. He prefers getting paid to snipe from the sidelines to actually being involved in government.
To be fair to the worst chancellor since Philip Snowden, others *may* have had a hand in Osborne's dismissal from government.
Because handing a box of matches to a small child, declaring that fresh leadership is required to deal with the resulting fire, and swanning off to the shepherd's hut to write your memoirs is in no way culpable behaviour.
Thank god Dave was "rather good" at his job. Look where he has left us, and think how much worse things could have been if he'd been a bit crap.
The irony of George Osborne telling others to take responsibility is rather choice.
Well quite. He prefers getting paid to snipe from the sidelines to actually being involved in government.
To be fair to the worst chancellor since Philip Snowden, others *may* have had a hand in Osborne's dismissal from government.
Michael Gove showed the correct way to react to that situation. No-one forced George to be a class A c***
Because handing a box of matches to a small child, declaring that fresh leadership is required to deal with the resulting fire, and swanning off to the shepherd's hut to write your memoirs is in no way culpable behaviour.
Thank god Dave was "rather good" at his job. Look where he has left us, and think how much worse things could have been if he'd been a bit crap.
The irony of George Osborne telling others to take responsibility is rather choice.
Well quite. He prefers getting paid to snipe from the sidelines to actually being involved in government.
To be fair to the worst chancellor since Philip Snowden, others *may* have had a hand in Osborne's dismissal from government.
Mmm. The thing is, Momentum doesn't really have a recognised purpose except as an electoral organisation to promote the left within Labour and Labour in elections. Nobody joins Momentum because they've contemplated their programme (do we have one? I'm a member and I've not seen it) - we joined to help strengthen the movement backbone. I can't see Corbyn being especially influenced by the views of Momentum's executive unless he wants to be - there is no way they could turn against him without losing virtually their entire membership. Cf. what happened to Lansman's candidacy when Corbyn disagreed with it.
George does have a point. It's extraordinary how the Leave movement has evolved. It's no longer concerned with why Brexit will be great but why it will be crap and who's to blame.
By the way, did anyone else watch the final The Bridge episode last night? Such a wonderful, delicate, nuanced series with a perfectly-balanced ending.
Mmm. The thing is, Momentum doesn't really have a recognised purpose except as an electoral organisation to promote the left within Labour and Labour in elections. Nobody joins Momentum because they've contemplated their programme (do we have one? I'm a member and I've not seen it) - we joined to help strengthen the movement backbone. I can't see Corbyn being especially influenced by the views of Momentum's executive unless he wants to be - there is no way they could turn against him without losing virtually their entire membership. Cf. what happened to Lansman's candidacy when Corbyn disagreed with it.
Unite are also running an opinion poll to see if they should campaign for a second referendum.
George does have a point. It's extraordinary how the Leave movement has evolved. It's no longer concerned with why Brexit will be great but why it will be crap and who's to blame.
It would have been such a brilliant Brexit if only Cameron had delivered it.
Having observed SCOTUS quite closely in my little area for the last 15 years, the role that the justice’s clerks play in selecting and then deciding cases should not be underestimated.
Not to mention that all those in the running for the current nomination have clerked for on or other of the conservative justices.
The Supreme Court has been, almost since its inception, a political institution, and although it is habit for justices to pay lip service to judicial impartiality, the only decisions which are not nakedly political in controversial cases are those where there is not a clear cut majority.
That Trump might be able to cement a conservative majority in the court, potentially for decades, having been elected on a minority of the popular vote, and confirmed by a Republican Senate which represents an even smaller percentage of the electorate, is going to be subject of furious controversy for the foreseeable future.
Mmm. The thing is, Momentum doesn't really have a recognised purpose except as an electoral organisation to promote the left within Labour and Labour in elections. Nobody joins Momentum because they've contemplated their programme (do we have one? I'm a member and I've not seen it) - we joined to help strengthen the movement backbone. I can't see Corbyn being especially influenced by the views of Momentum's executive unless he wants to be - there is no way they could turn against him without losing virtually their entire membership. Cf. what happened to Lansman's candidacy when Corbyn disagreed with it.
"...there is no way they could turn against him without losing virtually their entire membership."
So it's a personality cult?
Perhaps you should consider what that means for the party, and whether it's healthy for internal party and national democracy.
Mmm. The thing is, Momentum doesn't really have a recognised purpose except as an electoral organisation to promote the left within Labour and Labour in elections. Nobody joins Momentum because they've contemplated their programme (do we have one? I'm a member and I've not seen it) - we joined to help strengthen the movement backbone. I can't see Corbyn being especially influenced by the views of Momentum's executive unless he wants to be - there is no way they could turn against him without losing virtually their entire membership. Cf. what happened to Lansman's candidacy when Corbyn disagreed with it.
You must be quite unique NP in being a Momentum member who was also a Blair loyalist?
Mmm. The thing is, Momentum doesn't really have a recognised purpose except as an electoral organisation to promote the left within Labour and Labour in elections. Nobody joins Momentum because they've contemplated their programme (do we have one? I'm a member and I've not seen it) - we joined to help strengthen the movement backbone. I can't see Corbyn being especially influenced by the views of Momentum's executive unless he wants to be - there is no way they could turn against him without losing virtually their entire membership. Cf. what happened to Lansman's candidacy when Corbyn disagreed with it.
You must be quite unique NP in being a Momentum member who was also a Blair loyalist?
If one were being cruel, one might refer to the Vicar of Bray - though of course in Nick’s position there is no question of self-interest.
Having observed SCOTUS quite closely in my little area for the last 15 years, the role that the justice’s clerks play in selecting and then deciding cases should not be underestimated.
Not to mention that all those in the running for the current nomination have clerked for on or other of the conservative justices.
The Supreme Court has been, almost since its inception, a political institution, and although it is habit for justices to pay lip service to judicial impartiality, the only decisions which are not nakedly political in controversial cases are those where there is not a clear cut majority.
That Trump might be able to cement a conservative majority in the court, potentially for decades, having been elected on a minority of the popular vote, and confirmed by a Republican Senate which represents an even smaller percentage of the electorate, is going to be subject of furious controversy for the foreseeable future.
The claim that Roberts cares about how the court is seen among Americans has always had me rolling my eyes, but never as much as this week.
Having observed SCOTUS quite closely in my little area for the last 15 years, the role that the justice’s clerks play in selecting and then deciding cases should not be underestimated.
Not to mention that all those in the running for the current nomination have clerked for on or other of the conservative justices.
The Supreme Court has been, almost since its inception, a political institution, and although it is habit for justices to pay lip service to judicial impartiality, the only decisions which are not nakedly political in controversial cases are those where there is not a clear cut majority.
That Trump might be able to cement a conservative majority in the court, potentially for decades, having been elected on a minority of the popular vote, and confirmed by a Republican Senate which represents an even smaller percentage of the electorate, is going to be subject of furious controversy for the foreseeable future.
The claim that Roberts cares about how the court is seen among Americans has always had me rolling my eyes, but never as much as this week.
It is a mark of how far right the court will shift with Kennedy’s retirement that Roberts is now being considered as the ‘swing vote’. If RBG retires, then it will get ugly.
Leclerc is going to take a penalty for a new gearbox, and Verstappen’s car is in a race to make qualifying as they fix an electrical gremlin that caused his car to cut out at the end of P3.
Leclerc is going to take a penalty for a new gearbox, and Verstappen’s car is in a race to make qualifying as they fix an electrical gremlin that caused his car to cut out at the end of P3.
Bottas e/w for pole is still looking good.
Ahem!
Congratulations are surely superfluous.
9/1 on the pole and 3/1 on the Q podium. That buys a few beers. I think Mr Dancer might have got on the same bet too.
Fortunate he edged Hamilton, but given my luck this year it's a very nice change.
I'll probably lay Bottas for the win (backed pre-practice each way at 10.5). Be a while before the markets wake up but I'll start writing the pre-race article.
Edited extra bit: I didn't get the pole bet at 10, but 7.5 or so. Still very pleased with the qualifying, though.
They obviously missed the announcement the other week....
I've got a mate who's up in town on a stag do. He's sent me a video of them shouting abuse about Jeremy Hunt and shown me a picture of someone carrying a communist party flag complete with hammer and sickle.
Leclerc is going to take a penalty for a new gearbox, and Verstappen’s car is in a race to make qualifying as they fix an electrical gremlin that caused his car to cut out at the end of P3.
Bottas e/w for pole is still looking good.
Ahem!
Congratulations are surely superfluous.
9/1 on the pole and 3/1 on the Q podium. That buys a few beers. I think Mr Dancer might have got on the same bet too.
Mmm. The thing is, Momentum doesn't really have a recognised purpose except as an electoral organisation to promote the left within Labour and Labour in elections. Nobody joins Momentum because they've contemplated their programme (do we have one? I'm a member and I've not seen it) - we joined to help strengthen the movement backbone. I can't see Corbyn being especially influenced by the views of Momentum's executive unless he wants to be - there is no way they could turn against him without losing virtually their entire membership. Cf. what happened to Lansman's candidacy when Corbyn disagreed with it.
"...there is no way they could turn against him without losing virtually their entire membership."
So it's a personality cult?
Perhaps you should consider what that means for the party, and whether it's healthy for internal party and national democracy.
Having observed SCOTUS quite closely in my little area for the last 15 years, the role that the justice’s clerks play in selecting and then deciding cases should not be underestimated.
Not to mention that all those in the running for the current nomination have clerked for on or other of the conservative justices.
The Supreme Court has been, almost since its inception, a political institution, and although it is habit for justices to pay lip service to judicial impartiality, the only decisions which are not nakedly political in controversial cases are those where there is not a clear cut majority.
That Trump might be able to cement a conservative majority in the court, potentially for decades, having been elected on a minority of the popular vote, and confirmed by a Republican Senate which represents an even smaller percentage of the electorate, is going to be subject of furious controversy for the foreseeable future.
The claim that Roberts cares about how the court is seen among Americans has always had me rolling my eyes, but never as much as this week.
It is a mark of how far right the court will shift with Kennedy’s retirement that Roberts is now being considered as the ‘swing vote’. If RBG retires, then it will get ugly.
I don’t think RBG will retire, I think her seat will get filled when she dies. She should have retired when Obama was in power, instead she decided to gamble on Clinton being elected President. It didn’t happen, and as I think Trump will win in 2020, she’s getting replaced by the GOP.
George does have a point. It's extraordinary how the Leave movement has evolved. It's no longer concerned with why Brexit will be great but why it will be crap and who's to blame.
It would have been such a brilliant Brexit if only Cameron had delivered it.
From the London Review of Books, an interesting view of UK now from 2008, long read but I think worth it...
"After the Fall John Lanchester Some of the more pessimistic commentators at the time of the credit crunch, myself included, said that the aftermath of the crash would dominate our economic and political lives for at least ten years. What I wasn’t expecting – what I don’t think anyone was expecting – was that ten years would go by quite so fast. At the start of 2008, Gordon Brown was prime minister of the United Kingdom, George W. Bush was president of the United States, and only politics wonks had ever heard of the junior senator from Illinois; Nicolas Sarkozy was president of France, Hu Jintao was general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, Ken Livingstone was mayor of London, MySpace was the biggest social network, and the central bank interest rate in the UK was 5.5 per cent."
"A recent analysis by the Bank of England showed that the effect on house prices of QE had been to keep them 22 per cent higher than they would otherwise have been."
I also thought it was a great article. I couldn't help but think of Osborne's slogan of "we are all in this together". If only we had been.
Mmm. The thing is, Momentum doesn't really have a recognised purpose except as an electoral organisation to promote the left within Labour and Labour in elections. Nobody joins Momentum because they've contemplated their programme (do we have one? I'm a member and I've not seen it) - we joined to help strengthen the movement backbone. I can't see Corbyn being especially influenced by the views of Momentum's executive unless he wants to be - there is no way they could turn against him without losing virtually their entire membership. Cf. what happened to Lansman's candidacy when Corbyn disagreed with it.
You must be quite unique NP in being a Momentum member who was also a Blair loyalist?
Not especially. There are lots of us who like politics with a purpose. Tony Blair did good work in his early years, although some things which I think have turned out badly, notably Iraq. The common factor is a focus on policy and reform rather than the complacent "vote for us to do a bit better than the other lot" mantra which infests too much of British politics.
Bernie Sanders was asked about it and just waffled, and the left is narked off at him.
Interesting move by one of the more conservative Democrat senators.
As an aside I have laid my remaining Biden position for the nomination. Whoever gets in will have to be at the very least acceptable to the more radical side of the party - which doesn’t necessarily mean an outright radical, but if not would require a fresh face who doesn’t have to redefine themselves away from a deal of political baggage. (Speaking of which I think Gillibrand will struggle to shake off having lawyered for Philip Morris...)
Mr. Sandpit, top 6 markets for qualifying aren't, as far as I know, regularly available.
For the race the odds would be surprisingly poor, but you can get generally enormous odds for a non-top three team winner (and quite good podium odds).
Mmm. The thing is, Momentum doesn't really have a recognised purpose except as an electoral organisation to promote the left within Labour and Labour in elections. Nobody joins Momentum because they've contemplated their programme (do we have one? I'm a member and I've not seen it) - we joined to help strengthen the movement backbone. I can't see Corbyn being especially influenced by the views of Momentum's executive unless he wants to be - there is no way they could turn against him without losing virtually their entire membership. Cf. what happened to Lansman's candidacy when Corbyn disagreed with it.
You must be quite unique NP in being a Momentum member who was also a Blair loyalist?
Not especially. There are lots of us who like politics with a purpose. Tony Blair did good work in his early years, although some things which I think have turned out badly, notably Iraq. The common factor is a focus on policy and reform rather than the complacent "vote for us to do a bit better than the other lot" mantra which infests too much of British politics.
'Some things have turned out badly, notably Iraq’ must be up there with the greatest understatements of all time. Or at least on PB!
Edited extra bit: I didn't get the pole bet at 10, but 7.5 or so. Still very pleased with the qualifying, though.
Nope, you’re right. Pole was 8 and the win was 10. I’m a couple of beers poorer than I thought I was!!
Anyone know what the odds were on the Haas qualifying in the top 6?
Dunno, but Grosjean needs a brilliant result or two like that to retain his place in the team, I think. If he could drive like that consistently, he’d be a WC prospect.
Having observed SCOTUS quite closely in my little area for the last 15 years, the role that the justice’s clerks play in selecting and then deciding cases should not be underestimated.
Not to mention that all those in the running for the current nomination have clerked for on or other of the conservative justices.
The Supreme Court has been, almost since its inception, a political institution, and although it is habit for justices to pay lip service to judicial impartiality, the only decisions which are not nakedly political in controversial cases are those where there is not a clear cut majority.
That Trump might be able to cement a conservative majority in the court, potentially for decades, having been elected on a minority of the popular vote, and confirmed by a Republican Senate which represents an even smaller percentage of the electorate, is going to be subject of furious controversy for the foreseeable future.
Only among the losers, buddy. The winners won’t care.
They obviously missed the announcement the other week....
I've got a mate who's up in town on a stag do. He's sent me a video of them shouting abuse about Jeremy Hunt and shown me a picture of someone carrying a communist party flag complete with hammer and sickle.
Edited extra bit: I didn't get the pole bet at 10, but 7.5 or so. Still very pleased with the qualifying, though.
Nope, you’re right. Pole was 8 and the win was 10. I’m a couple of beers poorer than I thought I was!!
Anyone know what the odds were on the Haas qualifying in the top 6?
Dunno, but Grosjean needs a brilliant result or two like that to retain his place in the team, I think. If he could drive like that consistently, he’d be a WC prospect.
A few years back I really rated Grosjean, and felt that if he just stopped making silly mistakes he could be a brilliant driver, although a WC prospect would have relied on being in a good car.
I still think he has moments of brilliance that elevate him into the mid-rank of drivers, but he also has some real idiotic ones. It's like his skills have not progressed.
By the way, did anyone else watch the final The Bridge episode last night? Such a wonderful, delicate, nuanced series with a perfectly-balanced ending.
I watched it a few weeks here in Denmark and my main criticism is all the Swedes and Danes understanding each other so easily, even in shops and bars - especially the Malmö accent - but agree about the ending; though I think the series has run its course now.
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Two events that benefited Russia and Farage was involved in both.
Who is a good patriotic Englishman like myself expected to cheer for?
Bottas e/w for pole is still looking good.
Thank god Dave was "rather good" at his job. Look where he has left us, and think how much worse things could have been if he'd been a bit crap.
Spending more money than you're earning is normal experience in Osborne world.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2018/06/30/no-surrender-mrs-may-eu-weak-britain-strong/
And if it were a war then hope for a high scoring draw.
https://twitter.com/FraserNelson/status/1012626687845175298
The Supreme Court has been, almost since its inception, a political institution, and although it is habit for justices to pay lip service to judicial impartiality, the only decisions which are not nakedly political in controversial cases are those where there is not a clear cut majority.
That Trump might be able to cement a conservative majority in the court, potentially for decades, having been elected on a minority of the popular vote, and confirmed by a Republican Senate which represents an even smaller percentage of the electorate, is going to be subject of furious controversy for the foreseeable future.
So it's a personality cult?
Perhaps you should consider what that means for the party, and whether it's healthy for internal party and national democracy.
If RBG retires, then it will get ugly.
https://broadly.vice.com/en_us/article/8xezqg/kirsten-gillibrand-first-sitting-senator-to-call-to-abolish-ice
Bernie Sanders was asked about it and just waffled, and the left is narked off at him.
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2018/jun/30/thousands-to-join-london-protest-over-nhs-funding
They obviously missed the announcement the other week....
Mr. Sandpit, yes
Fortunate he edged Hamilton, but given my luck this year it's a very nice change.
I'll probably lay Bottas for the win (backed pre-practice each way at 10.5). Be a while before the markets wake up but I'll start writing the pre-race article.
Edited extra bit: I didn't get the pole bet at 10, but 7.5 or so. Still very pleased with the qualifying, though.
Anyone know what the odds were on the Haas qualifying in the top 6?
As an aside I have laid my remaining Biden position for the nomination. Whoever gets in will have to be at the very least acceptable to the more radical side of the party - which doesn’t necessarily mean an outright radical, but if not would require a fresh face who doesn’t have to redefine themselves away from a deal of political baggage.
(Speaking of which I think Gillibrand will struggle to shake off having lawyered for Philip Morris...)
For the race the odds would be surprisingly poor, but you can get generally enormous odds for a non-top three team winner (and quite good podium odds).
Vatican, San Marino, Andorra, Mongolia are the 4 that I remember...
I still think he has moments of brilliance that elevate him into the mid-rank of drivers, but he also has some real idiotic ones. It's like his skills have not progressed.