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    TheJezziahTheJezziah Posts: 3,840

    Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

    UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

    "Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

    Wasn't that announced last week?
    Guardian says it was announced on Tuesday. So yes I am a little late to catch up with this.
    It is certainly quite a "journey" for a couple of those who have repeatedly claimed to be "classical liberals". The Sargon of Akkad guy has a quite eye popping 500k subs on his YouTube channels and 250 million views on his main channel alone.
    There must be some people out there who genuinely are classic liberals and are just getting badly smeared by association with these people who I've always suspected are alt right.

    Whilst I usually like the idea of the Tory party collapsing into 3rd or lower having an alt right group ready to potentially take their place is slightly worrying. Not that I see it happening but it's a bigger risk.

    Thank god for FPTP...
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,231

    If anybody is thinking of enjoying the lovely outdoors this weekend, may I suggest Malvern may not be where you want to be heading...or perhaps it is...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901069/Sex-Festival-way-Signs-reveal-location-Europes-biggest-secret-sex-festival.html

    I rather think that story is a spoof. Or if it isn't a spoof, the journalist in question should be sentenced to follow Trump's twitter account in perpetuity for being terminally geographically challenged.

    I can understand somebody not knowing a boring, tedious and ugly place like London's in the south east, but what moron doesn't know Malvern's in Worcestershire?
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,150


    There must be some people out there who genuinely are classic liberals and are just getting badly smeared by association with these people who I've always suspected are alt right.

    One thing we're seeing is people of a liberal persuasion actively identifying as "neo-liberals". It's never really been clear what the "neo" is supposed to represent, but judging by the people who are using it as an insult, it seems like it has to be a good thing to be.

    See the r/neoliberal reddit, for example:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/
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    AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    dixiedean said:

    So John Rees-Evans has set up Democrats & Veterans. Anne-Marie Waters has set up For Britain. Henry Bolton is supposedly setting up OneNation. Tim Aker is both in UKIP and Thurrock Independents simultaneously. Who else among the UKIP alumni has joined or founded (or preferably led) a new party recently?

    No Adrian Powlesland Asteroid Mining Party?
    I confess to a slight disappointment.
    My parents had the opportunity to vote for him at the last election (Hadleigh is in Suffolk South). He made an impression on all those who heard him speak. Quite what that impression was is perhaps not best to say.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965

    Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

    UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

    "Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

    Wasn't that announced last week?
    Guardian says it was announced on Tuesday. So yes I am a little late to catch up with this.
    It is certainly quite a "journey" for a couple of those who have repeatedly claimed to be "classical liberals". The Sargon of Akkad guy has a quite eye popping 500k subs on his YouTube channels and 250 million views on his main channel alone.
    There must be some people out there who genuinely are classic liberals and are just getting badly smeared by association with these people who I've always suspected are alt right.

    Whilst I usually like the idea of the Tory party collapsing into 3rd or lower having an alt right group ready to potentially take their place is slightly worrying. Not that I see it happening but it's a bigger risk.

    Thank god for FPTP...
    Feel the same about Libertarians tbh, which is a perfectly coherent intellectual viewpoint, albeit one I don't subscribe to.
    By definition though, Libertarians do not make judgements about or abuse people on the basis of their gender, nationality, race or religion.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    AndyJS said:

    "Anthony Kennedy and the Death of True American Conservatism
    Andrew Sullivan

    ..................................

    Then look at white millennial men. They’ve gone from 48 percent to 37 percent Democratic support. More striking in their case is that they haven’t just moved away from the Democrats, but have now become Republicans. Their support for the GOP in the last two years has gone from 36 percent to 46. Which means that for white men between the ages of 18 and 34, the GOP now has a ten-point lead. It has achieved that swing in the last two years.

    We don’t know why this has happened..."

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/anthony-kennedy-and-the-death-of-true-american-conservatism.html

    As Paul Joseph Watson said, if you tell white people they are to blame for everything, don’t wonder why they stop voting for you. I’m quite liking this guy. He’s nuts on other things. People have been looking round trying to find a movement like momentum for the right, here it is.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280

    In an uncertain world being in control of our own destiny seems a better plan than shackled into a sclerotic leviathan.
    If we’re on our own we won’t be in control of anything
    Of course we will, we will be in control of our own actions.

    We won't be in control of everyone else but neither could nor should we be.

    In stormy weather I'd rather put my trust in our own captain to be able to navigate the waters than a cult on one boat who can't adapt but reckon they can control the elements.
    It matters not how strait the gate,
    How charged with punishments the scroll.
    I am the master of my fate:
    I am the captain of my soul.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293


    There must be some people out there who genuinely are classic liberals and are just getting badly smeared by association with these people who I've always suspected are alt right.

    One thing we're seeing is people of a liberal persuasion actively identifying as "neo-liberals". It's never really been clear what the "neo" is supposed to represent, but judging by the people who are using it as an insult, it seems like it has to be a good thing to be.

    See the r/neoliberal reddit, for example:
    https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/

    I guess it’s a redefining of the new right that come from Keith Jospeh, thatcher and Reagan. It morphed into a generic insult to describe any politician who thinks that direct public ownership of many aspects of the economy is not a desirable thing.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    10,000 simulations weren't enough it seems:

    "Germany Will Win the World Cup, UBS Says After 10,000 Simulations"

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-17/germany-will-win-the-world-cup-ubs-says-after-10-000-simulations
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    AndyJS said:

    10,000 simulations weren't enough it seems:

    "Germany Will Win the World Cup, UBS Says After 10,000 Simulations"

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-17/germany-will-win-the-world-cup-ubs-says-after-10-000-simulations

    10,000 is nothing :p
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,115

    https://twitter.com/CER_Grant/status/1012732694537568256

    JRM will then have to bring May's government down?

    It would be the kindest. If not, the voters will slaughter them.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076
    Remember that posturing about investment in manufacturing that was all the rage in twatterdom earlier this week ?

    Well it turns out that investment in the 'engineering and vehicles' sector needed revising.

    Revising UPWARDS.

    It turns out that said investment has actually been about 15% higher over the last two years than the ONS originally thought:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/grossdomesticproductgdp/datasets/businessinvestmentbyindustryandasset

    I wonder how many tweets we'll have about this news ?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    AndyJS said:

    "Anthony Kennedy and the Death of True American Conservatism
    Andrew Sullivan

    ..................................

    Then look at white millennial men. They’ve gone from 48 percent to 37 percent Democratic support. More striking in their case is that they haven’t just moved away from the Democrats, but have now become Republicans. Their support for the GOP in the last two years has gone from 36 percent to 46. Which means that for white men between the ages of 18 and 34, the GOP now has a ten-point lead. It has achieved that swing in the last two years.

    We don’t know why this has happened..."

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/anthony-kennedy-and-the-death-of-true-american-conservatism.html

    It shows why the Coalition of the Ascendant was so much bollocks.

    Young white Democrats transform into Republicans.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    notme said:

    Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

    UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

    "Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

    Paul Jospeh Watson has repeatedly over and over distanced himself from the alt right. Do keep up.

    Milo sings songs at events where Nazis are seig-heiling. Do keep up.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076
    AndyJS said:

    10,000 simulations weren't enough it seems:

    "Germany Will Win the World Cup, UBS Says After 10,000 Simulations"

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-05-17/germany-will-win-the-world-cup-ubs-says-after-10-000-simulations

    Wasn't it UBS who predicted a fall in UK manufacturing investment ?

    They certainly predicted that interest rates would rise in May:

    https://www.ft.com/content/11d20f4c-0739-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5
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    kle4kle4 Posts: 91,744
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    Labour splits is old and dull news, and we know it amounts to nothing.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,081
    DavidL said:

    In an uncertain world being in control of our own destiny seems a better plan than shackled into a sclerotic leviathan.
    If we’re on our own we won’t be in control of anything
    Of course we will, we will be in control of our own actions.

    We won't be in control of everyone else but neither could nor should we be.

    In stormy weather I'd rather put my trust in our own captain to be able to navigate the waters than a cult on one boat who can't adapt but reckon they can control the elements.
    It matters not how strait the gate,
    How charged with punishments the scroll.
    I am the master of my fate:
    I am the captain of my soul.

    British rather than Scottish souls I presume?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836
    Foxy said:

    If anybody is thinking of enjoying the lovely outdoors this weekend, may I suggest Malvern may not be where you want to be heading...or perhaps it is...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901069/Sex-Festival-way-Signs-reveal-location-Europes-biggest-secret-sex-festival.html

    It does sound a big one, but likely to come to a sticky end.
    Will Ivor Biggun be performing?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076
    kle4 said:

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    Labour splits is old and dull news, and we know it amounts to nothing.
    Agreed.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_P said:
    Whoever their candidate is the Tories need someone seen as able to tackle the rising crime rate in the capital, particularly of knife crime
    Is it conceivable that Boris could run again? Could the men in grey suits make a deal to ease him out of the FCO? There is just the impression that Boris and Number 10 have come to some sort of non-aggression pact.
    I doubt it, been there done that on his part
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    The key thing being he wasn't just at the bank, he was the one organising and authorising the loans to Trump.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995

    https://twitter.com/CER_Grant/status/1012732694537568256

    JRM will then have to bring May's government down?

    Swiss style free movement is basically a requirement to advertise locally and interview local applicants first
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076
    I see that George Osborne is having the same effect on the oligarch owned provincial freesheet that he did on the UK's finances:

    ' The Evening Standard will post a loss of £10m for the year ending in September 2017, a reversal in fortunes for London's paper that poses a big headache for its owner, Evgeny Lebedev. '

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44537728
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/CER_Grant/status/1012732694537568256

    JRM will then have to bring May's government down?

    Swiss style free movement is basically a requirement to advertise locally and interview local applicants first
    Yes - nothing that would meaningfully reduce immigration and thus impossible for May to agree. However, if there is to be a no deal scenario, if it's because the EU demanded open immigration, the Tories could just about weather it.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076
    Alistair said:

    The key thing being he wasn't just at the bank, he was the one organising and authorising the loans to Trump.
    That's almost minor stuff amongst Deutsche Bank's record.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995
    edited June 2018
    AndyJS said:

    "Anthony Kennedy and the Death of True American Conservatism
    Andrew Sullivan

    ..................................

    Then look at white millennial men. They’ve gone from 48 percent to 37 percent Democratic support. More striking in their case is that they haven’t just moved away from the Democrats, but have now become Republicans. Their support for the GOP in the last two years has gone from 36 percent to 46. Which means that for white men between the ages of 18 and 34, the GOP now has a ten-point lead. It has achieved that swing in the last two years.

    We don’t know why this has happened..."

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/anthony-kennedy-and-the-death-of-true-american-conservatism.html

    Though 46% of Millennials as a whole support the Democrats, 9% higher than young white male Millenials, suggesting a growing divide between white male voters and white female and ethnic minority voters in the US at all ages in the age of Trump
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076
    For the fourth day in a row the Tesco Strawberry score is an eight:

    Angus
    Perthshire
    Lancashire
    Staffordshire
    Cambridgeshire
    Herefordshire
    West Sussex
    Kent

    Meanwhile the Tesco Raspberry score has reached a record six:

    Nottinghamshire
    Staffordshire
    Cambridgeshire
    Herefordshire
    Berkshire
    Kent

    I wonder if we get a crossover at some point.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670



    Meanwhile the Tesco Raspberry score has reached a record six:

    Nottinghamshire
    Staffordshire
    Cambridgeshire
    Herefordshire
    Berkshire
    Kent

    I wonder if we get a crossover at some point.

    Imagine being so desperate to eat Raspberries that you'd consider eating non-Scottish raspberries. Truly a baffling mindset.
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    ralphmalphralphmalph Posts: 2,201

    I see that George Osborne is having the same effect on the oligarch owned provincial freesheet that he did on the UK's finances:

    ' The Evening Standard will post a loss of £10m for the year ending in September 2017, a reversal in fortunes for London's paper that poses a big headache for its owner, Evgeny Lebedev. '

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44537728

    GO - Do not worry Geeny Baby I got a long term economic plan.
    EL - What is that?
    GO - You thought you were only going to make a loss for 1 year, but with a long term economic plan, we can make losses for 15 years. Trust me I am an expert.
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Alistair said:

    notme said:

    Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

    UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

    "Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

    Paul Jospeh Watson has repeatedly over and over distanced himself from the alt right. Do keep up.

    Milo sings songs at events where Nazis are seig-heiling. Do keep up.

    Shush! What is that noise we hear? It’s the whataboutery fairy!

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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,076
    Alistair said:



    Meanwhile the Tesco Raspberry score has reached a record six:

    Nottinghamshire
    Staffordshire
    Cambridgeshire
    Herefordshire
    Berkshire
    Kent

    I wonder if we get a crossover at some point.

    Imagine being so desperate to eat Raspberries that you'd consider eating non-Scottish raspberries. Truly a baffling mindset.
    Its curious, Tesco always have plenty of Scottish strawberries but I've not seen any Scottish raspberries there.

    And this absence is only with Tesco - Asda, Morrisons and Sainsburys all have Scottish raspberries.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995
    Elliot said:

    HYUFD said:

    https://twitter.com/CER_Grant/status/1012732694537568256

    JRM will then have to bring May's government down?

    Swiss style free movement is basically a requirement to advertise locally and interview local applicants first
    Yes - nothing that would meaningfully reduce immigration and thus impossible for May to agree. However, if there is to be a no deal scenario, if it's because the EU demanded open immigration, the Tories could just about weather it.
    It would be the price for something close to the single market and customs union but as you say unlikely to be acceptable to Leavers or Tories
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,280
    Alistair said:



    Meanwhile the Tesco Raspberry score has reached a record six:

    Nottinghamshire
    Staffordshire
    Cambridgeshire
    Herefordshire
    Berkshire
    Kent

    I wonder if we get a crossover at some point.

    Imagine being so desperate to eat Raspberries that you'd consider eating non-Scottish raspberries. Truly a baffling mindset.
    Indeed.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    notme said:

    Alistair said:

    notme said:

    Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

    UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

    "Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

    Paul Jospeh Watson has repeatedly over and over distanced himself from the alt right. Do keep up.

    Milo sings songs at events where Nazis are seig-heiling. Do keep up.

    Shush! What is that noise we hear? It’s the whataboutery fairy!

    We're totally talking about the new members to UKIP - which includes Milo. That's not exactly whataboutery is it? That's on topic.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995
    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Anthony Kennedy and the Death of True American Conservatism
    Andrew Sullivan

    ..................................

    Then look at white millennial men. They’ve gone from 48 percent to 37 percent Democratic support. More striking in their case is that they haven’t just moved away from the Democrats, but have now become Republicans. Their support for the GOP in the last two years has gone from 36 percent to 46. Which means that for white men between the ages of 18 and 34, the GOP now has a ten-point lead. It has achieved that swing in the last two years.

    We don’t know why this has happened..."

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/anthony-kennedy-and-the-death-of-true-american-conservatism.html

    Though 46% of Millennials as a whole support the Democrats, 9% higher than young white male Millenials, suggesting a growing divide between white male voters and white female and ethnic minority voters in the US at all ages in the age of Trump
    Trump actually won 18 to 29 year old whites 47% to 43% in the 2016 Presidential election yet Hillary won all 18 to 29 year old voters 55% to 36%

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670

    Alistair said:



    Meanwhile the Tesco Raspberry score has reached a record six:

    Nottinghamshire
    Staffordshire
    Cambridgeshire
    Herefordshire
    Berkshire
    Kent

    I wonder if we get a crossover at some point.

    Imagine being so desperate to eat Raspberries that you'd consider eating non-Scottish raspberries. Truly a baffling mindset.
    Its curious, Tesco always have plenty of Scottish strawberries but I've not seen any Scottish raspberries there.

    And this absence is only with Tesco - Asda, Morrisons and Sainsburys all have Scottish raspberries.
    To be honest I wouldn't be touching June/July Raspberries with a barge pole anyways no matter where the origin. They grow to fast so don't develop the sugars which makes them pretty tasteless.

    My Raspberries only start in August and the August Raps are pretty crap, it's only when it hits autumn that they get incredibly delicious.
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    MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 37,607
    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:



    Meanwhile the Tesco Raspberry score has reached a record six:

    Nottinghamshire
    Staffordshire
    Cambridgeshire
    Herefordshire
    Berkshire
    Kent

    I wonder if we get a crossover at some point.

    Imagine being so desperate to eat Raspberries that you'd consider eating non-Scottish raspberries. Truly a baffling mindset.
    Its curious, Tesco always have plenty of Scottish strawberries but I've not seen any Scottish raspberries there.

    And this absence is only with Tesco - Asda, Morrisons and Sainsburys all have Scottish raspberries.
    To be honest I wouldn't be touching June/July Raspberries with a barge pole anyways no matter where the origin. They grow to fast so don't develop the sugars which makes them pretty tasteless.

    My Raspberries only start in August and the August Raps are pretty crap, it's only when it hits autumn that they get incredibly delicious.
    I got some from Waitrose the other weekend and they were excellent, I think they were from Kent.
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    ElliotElliot Posts: 1,516
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Anthony Kennedy and the Death of True American Conservatism
    Andrew Sullivan

    ..................................

    Then look at white millennial men. They’ve gone from 48 percent to 37 percent Democratic support. More striking in their case is that they haven’t just moved away from the Democrats, but have now become Republicans. Their support for the GOP in the last two years has gone from 36 percent to 46. Which means that for white men between the ages of 18 and 34, the GOP now has a ten-point lead. It has achieved that swing in the last two years.

    We don’t know why this has happened..."

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/anthony-kennedy-and-the-death-of-true-american-conservatism.html

    Though 46% of Millennials as a whole support the Democrats, 9% higher than young white male Millenials, suggesting a growing divide between white male voters and white female and ethnic minority voters in the US at all ages in the age of Trump
    Trump actually won 18 to 29 year old whites 47% to 43% in the 2016 Presidential election yet Hillary won all 18 to 29 year old voters 55% to 36%

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls
    I believe his support has cratered among Millennials since then.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 116,995
    Elliot said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    AndyJS said:

    "Anthony Kennedy and the Death of True American Conservatism
    Andrew Sullivan

    ..................................

    Then look at white millennial men. They’ve gone from 48 percent to 37 percent Democratic support. More striking in their case is that they haven’t just moved away from the Democrats, but have now become Republicans. Their support for the GOP in the last two years has gone from 36 percent to 46. Which means that for white men between the ages of 18 and 34, the GOP now has a ten-point lead. It has achieved that swing in the last two years.

    We don’t know why this has happened..."

    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/anthony-kennedy-and-the-death-of-true-american-conservatism.html

    Though 46% of Millennials as a whole support the Democrats, 9% higher than young white male Millenials, suggesting a growing divide between white male voters and white female and ethnic minority voters in the US at all ages in the age of Trump
    Trump actually won 18 to 29 year old whites 47% to 43% in the 2016 Presidential election yet Hillary won all 18 to 29 year old voters 55% to 36%

    https://edition.cnn.com/election/2016/results/exit-polls
    I believe his support has cratered among Millennials since then.
    A bit maybe but while age is the biggest dividing line between Tory and Labour voters in the UK, in the USA race is even more significant in the divide between Republican and Democratic voters
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    notmenotme Posts: 3,293
    Alistair said:

    notme said:

    Alistair said:

    notme said:

    Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

    UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

    "Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

    Paul Jospeh Watson has repeatedly over and over distanced himself from the alt right. Do keep up.

    Milo sings songs at events where Nazis are seig-heiling. Do keep up.

    Shush! What is that noise we hear? It’s the whataboutery fairy!

    We're totally talking about the new members to UKIP - which includes Milo. That's not exactly whataboutery is it? That's on topic.
    I was talking specifically about an individual incorrectly tagged as alt-right. You then moved onto someone who probably is.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited June 2018
    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    notme said:

    Alistair said:

    notme said:

    Alistair said:

    notme said:

    Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

    UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

    "Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

    Paul Jospeh Watson has repeatedly over and over distanced himself from the alt right. Do keep up.

    Milo sings songs at events where Nazis are seig-heiling. Do keep up.

    Shush! What is that noise we hear? It’s the whataboutery fairy!

    We're totally talking about the new members to UKIP - which includes Milo. That's not exactly whataboutery is it? That's on topic.
    I was talking specifically about an individual incorrectly tagged as alt-right. You then moved onto someone who probably is.
    What attracted the 'classic liberal' Watson to Marine Le Pen's campaign in France?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,060
    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Top be honest I can't be fucked working out the exact stratification and category of conspiracy theory peddling, nativist twats who spend every one of the narcissistic youtube videos hating on some minority or another.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Just been reminded of PJW's absolutely spineless walking back of his renunciation of Trump over Syria after he lost subscribers.

    Cretinous.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426
    I can’t believe you’re talking about Paul Joseph Watson and no one’s linked to this video.

    https://twitter.com/chriscaesar/status/926546199011786752?s=21
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426
    edited June 2018
    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up on the road up from me.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    I've just watched one of his videos, and I have to say he's right :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GapUEKYLE1o
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    What did he grow?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    What did he grow?
    Fixed it now just for you.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,426
    I called this on June 24th 2016 if not before.

    SeanT wants another referendum, which includes the option of Remaining.

    https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1012770292006096909
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    I've just watched one of his videos, and I have to say he's right :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GapUEKYLE1o
    Watch out, that's how radicalisation works, it starts with something reasonable and before to long you are calling him "Supreme Leader"
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,334

    dixiedean said:

    So John Rees-Evans has set up Democrats & Veterans. Anne-Marie Waters has set up For Britain. Henry Bolton is supposedly setting up OneNation. Tim Aker is both in UKIP and Thurrock Independents simultaneously. Who else among the UKIP alumni has joined or founded (or preferably led) a new party recently?

    No Adrian Powlesland Asteroid Mining Party?
    I confess to a slight disappointment.
    My parents had the opportunity to vote for him at the last election (Hadleigh is in Suffolk South). He made an impression on all those who heard him speak. Quite what that impression was is perhaps not best to say.
    I used to know him fairly well as a wargames player. Once introduced him to a somewhat conservative cousin; he immediately told her a dirty joke (she replied politely, "Oh."). In general he was quite pleasant but as in this case his judgment was a bit off.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    MaxPB said:

    Alistair said:

    Alistair said:



    Meanwhile the Tesco Raspberry score has reached a record six:

    Nottinghamshire
    Staffordshire
    Cambridgeshire
    Herefordshire
    Berkshire
    Kent

    I wonder if we get a crossover at some point.

    Imagine being so desperate to eat Raspberries that you'd consider eating non-Scottish raspberries. Truly a baffling mindset.
    Its curious, Tesco always have plenty of Scottish strawberries but I've not seen any Scottish raspberries there.

    And this absence is only with Tesco - Asda, Morrisons and Sainsburys all have Scottish raspberries.
    To be honest I wouldn't be touching June/July Raspberries with a barge pole anyways no matter where the origin. They grow to fast so don't develop the sugars which makes them pretty tasteless.

    My Raspberries only start in August and the August Raps are pretty crap, it's only when it hits autumn that they get incredibly delicious.
    I got some from Waitrose the other weekend and they were excellent, I think they were from Kent.
    What varieties? What is the point of talking about raspberries by county when it is the variety that makes the difference, from sharp Glen Amples to sweet Tullameens and all the rest. Driscolls Maravilla is god's own raspberry btw. Likewise with grapes. We all (don't we?) choose apples by variety and so it should be with soft fruit.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    I've just watched one of his videos, and I have to say he's right :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GapUEKYLE1o
    Watch out, that's how radicalisation works, it starts with something reasonable and before to long you are calling him "Supreme Leader"
    He is also factually inaccurate. Modernist architecture did not begin after WW2 as he implies...it is from the 20's.
    It was not driven by anti-Imperialist or colonial sentiment, but by modern building materials in paticular re-inforced concrete.
    You may loathe it.
    But it was not a plot by SJW's to make your life shit.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Useless fact: James Cartlidge's father in law is former Tory MP Gerald Howarth.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    I've just watched one of his videos, and I have to say he's right :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GapUEKYLE1o
    Watch out, that's how radicalisation works, it starts with something reasonable and before to long you are calling him "Supreme Leader"
    He is also factually inaccurate. Modernist architecture did not begin after WW2 as he implies...it is from the 20's.
    It was not driven by anti-Imperialist or colonial sentiment, but by modern building materials in paticular re-inforced concrete.
    You may loathe it.
    But it was not a plot by SJW's to make your life shit.
    As a general rule everything he says is a load of made up conspiracy bollocks which can be trivially fact checked in about 30 seconds with some basic googling.
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    surbysurby Posts: 1,227
    Local government results for this month and the last year still favours Labour.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965
    Alistair said:

    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    I've just watched one of his videos, and I have to say he's right :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GapUEKYLE1o
    Watch out, that's how radicalisation works, it starts with something reasonable and before to long you are calling him "Supreme Leader"
    He is also factually inaccurate. Modernist architecture did not begin after WW2 as he implies...it is from the 20's.
    It was not driven by anti-Imperialist or colonial sentiment, but by modern building materials in paticular re-inforced concrete.
    You may loathe it.
    But it was not a plot by SJW's to make your life shit.
    As a general rule everything he says is a load of made up conspiracy bollocks which can be trivially fact checked in about 30 seconds with some basic googling.
    As indeed I did. These 2 points are total bollocks. The rest of his video hangs on one's acceptance of them.
    If anything modernism was driven by the desire to put up buildings cheaper (and higher) than before.
    Therefore less attractive.
    So it is Capitalism to blame.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    I've just watched one of his videos, and I have to say he's right :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GapUEKYLE1o
    Watch out, that's how radicalisation works, it starts with something reasonable and before to long you are calling him "Supreme Leader"
    He is also factually inaccurate. Modernist architecture did not begin after WW2 as he implies...it is from the 20's.
    It was not driven by anti-Imperialist or colonial sentiment, but by modern building materials in paticular re-inforced concrete.
    You may loathe it.
    But it was not a plot by SJW's to make your life shit.
    As a general rule everything he says is a load of made up conspiracy bollocks which can be trivially fact checked in about 30 seconds with some basic googling.
    As indeed I did. These 2 points are total bollocks. The rest of his video hangs on one's acceptance of them.
    If anything modernism was driven by the desire to put up buildings cheaper (and higher) than before.
    Therefore less attractive.
    So it is Capitalism to blame.
    I think on residential accommodation it is complicated. But I think he has a point about some of the civic buildings. There are some utter monstrosities in that video.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,926
    Alistair said:

    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    I've just watched one of his videos, and I have to say he's right :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GapUEKYLE1o
    Watch out, that's how radicalisation works, it starts with something reasonable and before to long you are calling him "Supreme Leader"
    He is also factually inaccurate. Modernist architecture did not begin after WW2 as he implies...it is from the 20's.
    It was not driven by anti-Imperialist or colonial sentiment, but by modern building materials in paticular re-inforced concrete.
    You may loathe it.
    But it was not a plot by SJW's to make your life shit.
    As a general rule everything he says is a load of made up conspiracy bollocks which can be trivially fact checked in about 30 seconds with some basic googling.
    Well he might have a few details wrong but he's right about modern architecture, anyway my US parent company is big into float glass so I'm not going to go on rallies against glass and steel monstrosities :)
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,965
    edited June 2018
    tlg86 said:

    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    I've just watched one of his videos, and I have to say he's right :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GapUEKYLE1o
    Watch out, that's how radicalisation works, it starts with something reasonable and before to long you are calling him "Supreme Leader"
    He is also factually inaccurate. Modernist architecture did not begin after WW2 as he implies...it is from the 20's.
    It was not driven by anti-Imperialist or colonial sentiment, but by modern building materials in paticular re-inforced concrete.
    You may loathe it.
    But it was not a plot by SJW's to make your life shit.
    As a general rule everything he says is a load of made up conspiracy bollocks which can be trivially fact checked in about 30 seconds with some basic googling.
    As indeed I did. These 2 points are total bollocks. The rest of his video hangs on one's acceptance of them.
    If anything modernism was driven by the desire to put up buildings cheaper (and higher) than before.
    Therefore less attractive.
    So it is Capitalism to blame.
    I think on residential accommodation it is complicated. But I think he has a point about some of the civic buildings. There are some utter monstrosities in that video.
    I agree with that.
    However, there have always been crap civic buildings. And unattractive residential housing. We merely knocked the ugly ones from times past down and kept the nice ones.
    As we will in the future.
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    I've just watched one of his videos, and I have to say he's right :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GapUEKYLE1o
    Watch out, that's how radicalisation works, it starts with something reasonable and before to long you are calling him "Supreme Leader"
    He is also factually inaccurate. Modernist architecture did not begin after WW2 as he implies...it is from the 20's.
    It was not driven by anti-Imperialist or colonial sentiment, but by modern building materials in paticular re-inforced concrete.
    You may loathe it.
    But it was not a plot by SJW's to make your life shit.
    As a general rule everything he says is a load of made up conspiracy bollocks which can be trivially fact checked in about 30 seconds with some basic googling.
    Well he might have a few details wrong but he's right about modern architecture, anyway my US parent company is big into float glass so I'm not going to go on rallies against glass and steel monstrosities :)
    Yeah, but that's the trick:

    Modern architecture looks like shit (True)
    It's because SJWs are trying to destroy masculinity (or whatever shit he's trying to push (Not True).

    You get the audience nodding along to the true bit to try and get them to accept the garbage propaganda.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,586
    OMG, Max Verstappen is Gordon Brown in a racecar...
    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/jun/29/max-verstappen-i-know-i-will-always-be-right
    ...“At the end of the day I know I will always be right’.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,216

    I called this on June 24th 2016 if not before.

    SeanT wants another referendum, which includes the option of Remaining.

    https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1012770292006096909

    I shall say, once again (sorry everyone), Brexit will not happen.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up on the road up from me.
    Does he have the frequent weird continuity breaks in real life?
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,190
    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Alistair said:

    dixiedean said:

    Alistair said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    AndyJS said:

    Paul Joseph Watson is an interesting character, even if you think his views are ridiculous. He's almost invented a new style of video on YouTube, which probably isn't an easy thing to do.

    I think it was done before him. He just added a Yorkshire accent.
    Lol I always assumed he was american.
    He grew up the road from me.
    I've just watched one of his videos, and I have to say he's right :

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GapUEKYLE1o
    Watch out, that's how radicalisation works, it starts with something reasonable and before to long you are calling him "Supreme Leader"
    He is also factually inaccurate. Modernist architecture did not begin after WW2 as he implies...it is from the 20's.
    It was not driven by anti-Imperialist or colonial sentiment, but by modern building materials in paticular re-inforced concrete.
    You may loathe it.
    But it was not a plot by SJW's to make your life shit.
    As a general rule everything he says is a load of made up conspiracy bollocks which can be trivially fact checked in about 30 seconds with some basic googling.
    Well he might have a few details wrong but he's right about modern architecture, anyway my US parent company is big into float glass so I'm not going to go on rallies against glass and steel monstrosities :)
    Yeah, but that's the trick:

    Modern architecture looks like shit (True)
    It's because SJWs are trying to destroy masculinity (or whatever shit he's trying to push (Not True).

    You get the audience nodding along to the true bit to try and get them to accept the garbage propaganda.
    I've only watched that and his video on comedy, but I think he has a point when he says that the cultural establishment has changed.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,836

    I called this on June 24th 2016 if not before.

    SeanT wants another referendum, which includes the option of Remaining.

    https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/1012770292006096909

    I shall say, once again (sorry everyone), Brexit will not happen.
    Then, you have nothing to worry about.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,967
    New thread....
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    If you mix natural yoghurt with some salt in a muslin cloth on a sieve on a bowl then leave it in the fridge overnight you get Labneh, Lebanese cream cheese. The salt releases the whet. If you stir in grated garlic and herbes de Provence with the salt you get something like Boursin but so much better. I'm eating some now and highly recommend
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    If you mix natural yoghurt with some salt in a muslin cloth on a sieve on a bowl then leave it in the fridge overnight you get Labneh, Lebanese cream cheese. The salt releases the whet. If you stir in grated garlic and herbes de Provence with the salt you get something like Boursin but so much better. I'm eating some now and highly recommend

    Used to do exactly that once the milk had soured a little first, then you get a sour cottage cheese. I like the labneh idea, though. Now I just need a recipe for shaheena
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    JonnyJimmyJonnyJimmy Posts: 2,548
    MTimT said:

    If you mix natural yoghurt with some salt in a muslin cloth on a sieve on a bowl then leave it in the fridge overnight you get Labneh, Lebanese cream cheese. The salt releases the whet. If you stir in grated garlic and herbes de Provence with the salt you get something like Boursin but so much better. I'm eating some now and highly recommend

    Used to do exactly that once the milk had soured a little first, then you get a sour cottage cheese. I like the labneh idea, though. Now I just need a recipe for shaheena
    What's shaheena?
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