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June 2018 Monthly Summary Conservatives 7,657 votes (40.22% -0.91% on last time) winning 8 seats (-2 seats on last time) Labour 4,716 votes (24.77% +5.10% on last time) winning 3 seats (+1 seat on last time) Liberal Democrats 2,998 votes (15.75% +7.59% on last time) winning 4 seats (+3 seats on last time) United Kingdom Independence Party 1,291 votes (6.78% -5.69% on last time) winning 0 seats (-2 seats on last time) Local Independents 1,089 votes (5.72% +0.98% on last time) winning 1 seat (+1 seat on last time) Independents 836 votes (4.39% -3.97% on last time) winning 1 seat (-1 seat on last time) Green Party 410 votes (2.15% -3.17% on last time) winning 0 seats (unchanged on last time) Others 42 votes (0.22% +0.07% on last time) winning 0 seats (unchanged on last time) Conservative lead of 2,941 votes (15.45%) on a swing of 3% from Con to Lab

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MarqueeMark

Are we at mid-term yet?

Morris_Dancer

Cheers for this, Mr. Hayfield.

tlg86

MarqueeMark said:

Are we at mid-term yet?

If there's an election next year, then yes.

MarqueeMark

Water supply problems in Shropshire, Staffordshire, Derbys... Plenty there for Corbyn to make hay with as the sun shines.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44647117

FrancisUrquhart

tlg86 said:

MarqueeMark said:

Are we at mid-term yet?

If there's an election next year, then yes.

FrancisUrquhart

MarqueeMark said:

Water supply problems in Shropshire, Staffordshire, Derbys... Plenty there for Corbyn to make hay with as the sun shines.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44647117

I am more concerned about the crumpet shortage.

RobD

Thanks Harry!

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Urquhart, is that due to a shortage of carbon dioxide or has Wollaston spotted people like them and slapped a tax on them?

FrancisUrquhart

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Urquhart, is that due to a shortage of carbon dioxide or has Wollaston spotted people like them and slapped a tax on them?

Apparently its the CO2 shortage.

Pulpstar

tlg86 said:

MarqueeMark said:

Are we at mid-term yet?

If there's an election next year, then yes.

It's not impossible with the way the EU is going on Northern Ireland that the DUP may pull the plug. Personally (Famous last words) I've ruled out, bet against and continue to follow the tip of no election or change of Tory leader this year - but next year I think May is much more vulnerable.

MattW

Preventing lager drinking seems to me to be a Good Deed.

FrancisUrquhart

MattW said:

Preventing lager drinking seems to me to be a Good Deed.

I can't say I have noticed any shortages in the supermarkets / pubs (yet). That one day of really bad snow seemed to cause far more issues with my local Tescos taking 2 weeks to get back to full shelves.

TGOHF

Pulpstar said:

tlg86 said:

MarqueeMark said:

Are we at mid-term yet?

If there's an election next year, then yes.

It's not impossible with the way the EU is going on Northern Ireland that the DUP may pull the plug. Personally (Famous last words) I've ruled out, bet against and continue to follow the tip of no election or change of Tory leader this year - but next year I think May is much more vulnerable.

No chance.

2022 GE or 21 if the Brexit dividend kicks in.

JonnyJimmy

Just seen this tweeted

MarqueeMark

FrancisUrquhart said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Urquhart, is that due to a shortage of carbon dioxide or has Wollaston spotted people like them and slapped a tax on them?

Apparently its the CO2 shortage.

It's the new Y2K excuse.....

JosiasJessop

MarqueeMark said:

Water supply problems in Shropshire, Staffordshire, Derbys... Plenty there for Corbyn to make hay with as the sun shines.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-44647117

"Severn Trent set up bottled water collection points in Telford and Much Wenlock in Shropshire, parts of Staffordshire and Ashbourne, Parwich and Longcliffe in Derbyshire on Tuesday and Wednesday after supplies were affected."

Interesting placenames there. Ashbourne, Parwich and especially Longcliffe are just a few miles away from a large water-supply reservoir, Carsington. Shame for them that it drains east to the Derwent ...

AlastairMeeks

Meanwhile in other local news, for those of you on tenterhooks about the Hadleigh referendum:

https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/1012705143396052993

Pulpstar

AlastairMeeks said:

Meanwhile in other local news, for those of you on tenterhooks about the Hadleigh referendum:

https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/1012705143396052993

What was the turnout >

AlastairMeeks

Pulpstar said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Meanwhile in other local news, for those of you on tenterhooks about the Hadleigh referendum:

https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/1012705143396052993

What was the turnout >

11%. Which, candidly, in a five hour window which included a world cup match involving England, I don't think is particularly bad!

TGOHF

Re C02 shortage

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jun/20/co2-shortage-could-hit-uk-beer-and-chicken-supplies-during-world-cup


"Camra, the organisation for devotees of cask ales, seized on the opportunity to urge drinkers to abandon artificially carbonated brews.

“Beer drinkers concerned about the supply of beer this summer can rest easy,” said Tom Stainer, Camra’s chief communications officer. “There are plenty of fantastic real ales, ciders and perries that will be completely unaffected by the impending CO2 shortage."

Pulpstar

AlastairMeeks said:

Pulpstar said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Meanwhile in other local news, for those of you on tenterhooks about the Hadleigh referendum:

https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/1012705143396052993

What was the turnout >

11%. Which, candidly, in a five hour window which included a world cup match involving England, I don't think is particularly bad!

I see questions about the binding or non binding nature of the referendum have already been put too on Twitter

MarkHopkins

This may be of interest to some on here:

http://longbets.org/bets/

AlastairMeeks

Pulpstar said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Pulpstar said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Meanwhile in other local news, for those of you on tenterhooks about the Hadleigh referendum:

https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/1012705143396052993

What was the turnout >

11%. Which, candidly, in a five hour window which included a world cup match involving England, I don't think is particularly bad!

I see questions about the binding or non binding nature of the referendum have already been put too on Twitter

Non-binding. If I were guessing, I suspect the current councillors will soldier on and decline to stand next May when they're next up.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Meeks, cheers for the update

MarkHopkins

So after years of the gov claiming that we were producing too much CO2 and legislating against it, apparently it turns out we don't have enough.

Government shambles!

tpfkar

Next PB meet-up in Hadleigh anyone?

FrancisUrquhart

If anybody is thinking of enjoying the lovely outdoors this weekend, may I suggest Malvern may not be where you want to be heading...or perhaps it is...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901069/Sex-Festival-way-Signs-reveal-location-Europes-biggest-secret-sex-festival.html

SandyRentool

MarkHopkins said:

So after years of the gov claiming that we were producing too much CO2 and legislating against it, apparently it turns out we don't have enough.

Government shambles!

If only we'd built a few carbon capture plants, we'd be sorted.

Pulpstar

FrancisUrquhart said:

If anybody is thinking of enjoying the lovely outdoors this weekend, may I suggest Malvern may not be where you want to be heading...or perhaps it is...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901069/Sex-Festival-way-Signs-reveal-location-Europes-biggest-secret-sex-festival.html

Huge marquees have already been erected

OblitusSumMe

MarkHopkins said:

So after years of the gov claiming that we were producing too much CO2 and legislating against it, apparently it turns out we don't have enough.

Government shambles!

More seriously, given that the source of the CO2 for use in the food and drinks industry is a by-product of the production of fertilisers, I wonder whether there is any potential for CO2 to be captured during cement production?

The release of CO2 from calcium carbonate in cement production is responsible for about 6% of global CO2 emissions.

FrancisUrquhart

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

If anybody is thinking of enjoying the lovely outdoors this weekend, may I suggest Malvern may not be where you want to be heading...or perhaps it is...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901069/Sex-Festival-way-Signs-reveal-location-Europes-biggest-secret-sex-festival.html

Huge marquees have already been erected

I also hear that the crumpet shortage isn't affecting that part of the country....

JosiasJessop

tpfkar said:

Next PB meet-up in Hadleigh anyone?

Malvern, surely?

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Me, sounds like a good idea.

Hertsmere_Pubgoer

MattW said:

Preventing lager drinking seems to me to be a Good Deed.

May I respectfully disagree.

Foxy

FrancisUrquhart said:

If anybody is thinking of enjoying the lovely outdoors this weekend, may I suggest Malvern may not be where you want to be heading...or perhaps it is...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901069/Sex-Festival-way-Signs-reveal-location-Europes-biggest-secret-sex-festival.html

It does sound a big one, but likely to come to a sticky end.

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1012712981631729664

volcanopete

OblitusSumMe said:

MarkHopkins said:

So after years of the gov claiming that we were producing too much CO2 and legislating against it, apparently it turns out we don't have enough.

Government shambles!

More seriously, given that the source of the CO2 for use in the food and drinks industry is a by-product of the production of fertilisers, I wonder whether there is any potential for CO2 to be captured during cement production?

The release of CO2 from calcium carbonate in cement production is responsible for about 6% of global CO2 emissions.

Trapping cow farts is the answer.They produce as much methane,even worse.I do like a nice steak.

Pulpstar

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1012712981631729664

I think (And it pains me to say this) an Osborne candidate might lose by less than any 'bad boy of Brexit'. Londoners go in for that sort of thing even less than they like the Tories.

Jonathan

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1012712981631729664

Why do these fools do this?

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/1012714791503265792

OblitusSumMe

volcanopete said:

OblitusSumMe said:

MarkHopkins said:

So after years of the gov claiming that we were producing too much CO2 and legislating against it, apparently it turns out we don't have enough.

Government shambles!

More seriously, given that the source of the CO2 for use in the food and drinks industry is a by-product of the production of fertilisers, I wonder whether there is any potential for CO2 to be captured during cement production?

The release of CO2 from calcium carbonate in cement production is responsible for about 6% of global CO2 emissions.

Trapping cow farts is the answer.They produce as much methane,even worse.I do like a nice steak.

I believe that much of the work on ruminants aims to improve their digestion so that the farts/belching does not occur.

JosiasJessop

OblitusSumMe said:

MarkHopkins said:

So after years of the gov claiming that we were producing too much CO2 and legislating against it, apparently it turns out we don't have enough.

Government shambles!

More seriously, given that the source of the CO2 for use in the food and drinks industry is a by-product of the production of fertilisers, I wonder whether there is any potential for CO2 to be captured during cement production?

The release of CO2 from calcium carbonate in cement production is responsible for about 6% of global CO2 emissions.

You might be interested in the following:
https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2840

david_herdson

david_herdson said:

In the spirit of democracy:

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1012711587877040129

SandyRentool

OblitusSumMe said:

MarkHopkins said:

So after years of the gov claiming that we were producing too much CO2 and legislating against it, apparently it turns out we don't have enough.

Government shambles!

More seriously, given that the source of the CO2 for use in the food and drinks industry is a by-product of the production of fertilisers, I wonder whether there is any potential for CO2 to be captured during cement production?

The release of CO2 from calcium carbonate in cement production is responsible for about 6% of global CO2 emissions.

Yes there is. See:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/416674/Cement_Report.pdf

Also:

https://ecra-online.org/research/ccs/

MarkHopkins

david_herdson said:

david_herdson said:

In the spirit of democracy:

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1012711587877040129

Vote for (1).

OblitusSumMe

JosiasJessop said:

OblitusSumMe said:

MarkHopkins said:

So after years of the gov claiming that we were producing too much CO2 and legislating against it, apparently it turns out we don't have enough.

Government shambles!

More seriously, given that the source of the CO2 for use in the food and drinks industry is a by-product of the production of fertilisers, I wonder whether there is any potential for CO2 to be captured during cement production?

The release of CO2 from calcium carbonate in cement production is responsible for about 6% of global CO2 emissions.

You might be interested in the following:
https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2840

Yes, it is interesting, higher than I thought.

If you could capture the CO2 during cement production then you would have a carbon sink from the carbonation of cement roughly large enough to offset carbon emissions from air travel.

david_herdson

OblitusSumMe said:

JosiasJessop said:

OblitusSumMe said:

MarkHopkins said:

So after years of the gov claiming that we were producing too much CO2 and legislating against it, apparently it turns out we don't have enough.

Government shambles!

More seriously, given that the source of the CO2 for use in the food and drinks industry is a by-product of the production of fertilisers, I wonder whether there is any potential for CO2 to be captured during cement production?

The release of CO2 from calcium carbonate in cement production is responsible for about 6% of global CO2 emissions.

You might be interested in the following:
https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2840

Yes, it is interesting, higher than I thought.

If you could capture the CO2 during cement production then you would have a carbon sink from the carbonation of cement roughly large enough to offset carbon emissions from air travel.

Are you sure about that 6% figure? It seems very high going by the divisions in this report?

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data#Sector

AlastairMeeks

david_herdson said:

david_herdson said:

In the spirit of democracy:

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1012711587877040129

Phew, you've not thinking of writing about what I've been writing about.

tpfkar

david_herdson said:

david_herdson said:

In the spirit of democracy:

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1012711587877040129

Whichever way it goes, I'm campaigning for a second vote once we've seen the details of the article.

Scott_P

david_herdson said:

In the spirit of democracy:

Do you have something on the side of a bus?

JonnyJimmy

AlastairMeeks said:

david_herdson said:

david_herdson said:

In the spirit of democracy:

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1012711587877040129

Phew, you've not thinking of writing about what I've been writing about.

Good thing you didn't have to park it

david_herdson

AlastairMeeks said:

david_herdson said:

david_herdson said:

In the spirit of democracy:

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1012711587877040129

Phew, you've not thinking of writing about what I've been writing about.

Brexit will be next week, in all probability, given the Chequers pyjama party due then.

OblitusSumMe

david_herdson said:

OblitusSumMe said:

JosiasJessop said:

OblitusSumMe said:

MarkHopkins said:

So after years of the gov claiming that we were producing too much CO2 and legislating against it, apparently it turns out we don't have enough.

Government shambles!

More seriously, given that the source of the CO2 for use in the food and drinks industry is a by-product of the production of fertilisers, I wonder whether there is any potential for CO2 to be captured during cement production?

The release of CO2 from calcium carbonate in cement production is responsible for about 6% of global CO2 emissions.

You might be interested in the following:
https://www.nature.com/articles/ngeo2840

Yes, it is interesting, higher than I thought.

If you could capture the CO2 during cement production then you would have a carbon sink from the carbonation of cement roughly large enough to offset carbon emissions from air travel.

Are you sure about that 6% figure? It seems very high going by the divisions in this report?

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-emissions-data#Sector

I'm pretty confident. Note that the report you link to talks of "greenhouse gases" in one section, which will include CH4, NO2, etc, in addition to CO2.

The_Apocalypse

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012674742183251969?s=21
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012493364212764675?s=21
Bloody hell....

MarqueeMark

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

If anybody is thinking of enjoying the lovely outdoors this weekend, may I suggest Malvern may not be where you want to be heading...or perhaps it is...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901069/Sex-Festival-way-Signs-reveal-location-Europes-biggest-secret-sex-festival.html

Huge marquees have already been erected

And I haven't even got there yet.....

AlastairMeeks

JonnyJimmy said:

AlastairMeeks said:

david_herdson said:

david_herdson said:

In the spirit of democracy:

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1012711587877040129

Phew, you've not thinking of writing about what I've been writing about.

Good thing you didn't have to park it

Like most pbers, I rarely reverse on here.

OblitusSumMe

This article makes several points that I would make: Why is Trump still so popular?.

rottenborough

The_Apocalypse said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012674742183251969?s=21
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012493364212764675?s=21
Bloody hell....

Yet another reason why we shouldn't leave.

Morris_Dancer

Ms. Apocalypse, Trump may be risking many other nations siding against the US when it comes to trade.

The US is in a strong position, but it's not invincible. If Canada, Korea, Japan, China, the EU, and the UK all end up taking anti-US measures in retaliation to new Trumpian tariff moves, it may end up doing more harm than good for the US.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Borough, sometimes fools are right. And sometimes the wise err. Just assuming an idiot is bound to be wrong or a sage is bound to be right is daft.

rottenborough

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

FrancisUrquhart

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Wasn't that announced last week?

Big_G_NorthWales

MarqueeMark said:

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

If anybody is thinking of enjoying the lovely outdoors this weekend, may I suggest Malvern may not be where you want to be heading...or perhaps it is...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901069/Sex-Festival-way-Signs-reveal-location-Europes-biggest-secret-sex-festival.html

Huge marquees have already been erected

And I haven't even got there yet.....

Arm Forces Day in Llandudno will be spectacular with the red arrows,(12 noon) battle of Britain memorial flight and a tyhoon display.

250, 000 expected with clear skys, hot sun, beaches, the Great and Little Ormes and the Prime Minister, Theresa May, with her over promoted Defence Secretary

rcs1000

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012674742183251969?s=21
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012493364212764675?s=21
Bloody hell....

Yet another reason why we shouldn't leave.

Donald Trump wants all agreements the US enters into to be bilateral. He hates the idea that the US can be bound by others.

We, as a mid-sized power, want the WTO to be strong.

Philip_Thompson

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012674742183251969?s=21
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012493364212764675?s=21
Bloody hell....

Yet another reason why we shouldn't leave.

In an uncertain world being in control of our own destiny seems a better plan than shackled into a sclerotic leviathan.

david_herdson

The_Apocalypse said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012674742183251969?s=21
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012493364212764675?s=21
Bloody hell....

Not at all surprising. Trump has proven far more adept at withdrawing from agreements than he has at striking deals.

FrancisUrquhart

Big_G_NorthWales said:

MarqueeMark said:

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

If anybody is thinking of enjoying the lovely outdoors this weekend, may I suggest Malvern may not be where you want to be heading...or perhaps it is...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5901069/Sex-Festival-way-Signs-reveal-location-Europes-biggest-secret-sex-festival.html

Huge marquees have already been erected

And I haven't even got there yet.....

Arm Forces Day in Llandudno will be spectacular with the red arrows,(12 noon) battle of Britain memorial flight and a tyhoon display.

250, 000 expected with clear skys, hot sun, beaches, the Great and Little Ormes and the Prime Minister, Theresa May, with her over promoted Defence Secretary

And Jezza will be otherwise engaged...inspecting manhole covers or something equally important.

rottenborough

Philip_Thompson said:

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012674742183251969?s=21
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012493364212764675?s=21
Bloody hell....

Yet another reason why we shouldn't leave.

In an uncertain world being in control of our own destiny seems a better plan than shackled into a sclerotic leviathan.

Or, standing shoulder to shoulder with our european neighbours to try and hold Western liberalism together as the US implodes.

AlastairMeeks

I for one am looking forward to reports of the first meeting in UKIP between gay donkey rape man and the assertively gay defender of predatory paedophiles.

rcs1000

OblitusSumMe said:

This article makes several points that I would make: Why is Trump still so popular?.

None of us should be surprised that Donald Trump is popular. He has stood up for groups of people who felt left behind by the political process, and who have struggled economically. He speaks their language, and his actions - regarding American exceptionalism, migrants and trade - are popular with many.

However, deliberately or accidentally, the measures he's proposing won't solve the problems. He has proposed no measures that penalise those - like in, errrr, the property industry - deliberately choose to employ cheap illegal migrants. He's done nothing to prevent migrants from coming the most common way - "Yes office, I'm just here for the weekend, it's my cousin's wedding".

And putting the pedal down with fiscal stimulus, will only exacerbate the trade imbalances.

Finally, the idea that Putin and Kim are better allies than Trudeau is simply wrong.

Trump risks driving everyone except Russia, the US and North Korea closer together.

rottenborough

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Wasn't that announced last week?

Guardian says it was announced on Tuesday. So yes I am a little late to catch up with this.

FrancisUrquhart

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Wasn't that announced last week?

Guardian says it was announced on Tuesday. So yes I am a little late to catch up with this.

It is certainly quite a "journey" for a couple of those who have repeatedly claimed to be "classical liberals". The Sargon of Akkad guy has a quite eye popping 500k subs on his YouTube channels and 250 million views on his main channel alone.

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1012727760068988928

The_Apocalypse

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Wasn't that announced last week?

Guardian says it was announced on Tuesday. So yes I am a little late to catch up with this.

It is certainly quite a "journey" for a couple of those who have repeatedly claimed to be "classical liberals".

Yep. I’ve been side eyeing many of these so called classical liberals as well.

Scott_P

https://twitter.com/bbclaurak/status/1012727447132000261

not_on_fire

Philip_Thompson said:

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012674742183251969?s=21
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012493364212764675?s=21
Bloody hell....

Yet another reason why we shouldn't leave.

In an uncertain world being in control of our own destiny seems a better plan than shackled into a sclerotic leviathan.

If we’re on our own we won’t be in control of anything

The_Apocalypse

@rottenborough Have you heard about this: https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012682098442895360?s=21

SMH.

TheScreamingEagles

AlastairMeeks said:

I for one am looking forward to reports of the first meeting in UKIP between gay donkey rape man and the assertively gay defender of predatory paedophiles.

Sadly gay donkey rape man has left UKIP and is now the leader of the Democrats and Veterans Party.

I’m sure Milo and Roger Helmer will get on fine though.

AlastairMeeks

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I for one am looking forward to reports of the first meeting in UKIP between gay donkey rape man and the assertively gay defender of predatory paedophiles.

Sadly gay donkey rape man has left UKIP and is now the leader of the Democrats and Veterans Party.

I’m sure Milo and Roger Helmer will get on fine though.

The late stages of UKIP sound like a Velvet Underground gig. Few people were still members, but those that were all set up new parties.

rottenborough

The_Apocalypse said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Wasn't that announced last week?

Guardian says it was announced on Tuesday. So yes I am a little late to catch up with this.

It is certainly quite a "journey" for a couple of those who have repeatedly claimed to be "classical liberals".

Yep. I’ve been side eyeing many of these so called classical liberals as well.

They are pure Alt-Right imho. Interestingly, Hawley's book "Making Sense of the Alt-Right" maintains that it is almost entirely an online based thing in the US. They hardly ever have proper conferences, or join things, or do traditional political stuff off-line.

So this is an interesting development in UK.

I assume it has been co-ordinated between these individuals.

TheScreamingEagles

AlastairMeeks said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

AlastairMeeks said:

I for one am looking forward to reports of the first meeting in UKIP between gay donkey rape man and the assertively gay defender of predatory paedophiles.

Sadly gay donkey rape man has left UKIP and is now the leader of the Democrats and Veterans Party.

I’m sure Milo and Roger Helmer will get on fine though.

The late stages of UKIP sound like a Velvet Underground gig. Few people were still members, but those that were all set up new parties.

Disappointed you didn’t segue in a reference to All Tomorrow's Parties.

Andy_Cooke

AlastairMeeks said:

Pulpstar said:

AlastairMeeks said:

Meanwhile in other local news, for those of you on tenterhooks about the Hadleigh referendum:

https://twitter.com/AlastairMeeks/status/1012705143396052993

What was the turnout >

11%. Which, candidly, in a five hour window which included a world cup match involving England, I don't think is particularly bad!

I was half expecting you to say, "Three. As said, they voted two to one"

HYUFD

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1012712981631729664

Whoever their candidate is the Tories need someone seen as able to tackle the rising crime rate in the capital, particularly of knife crime

The_Apocalypse

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Wasn't that announced last week?

Guardian says it was announced on Tuesday. So yes I am a little late to catch up with this.

It is certainly quite a "journey" for a couple of those who have repeatedly claimed to be "classical liberals".

Yep. I’ve been side eyeing many of these so called classical liberals as well.

They are pure Alt-Right imho. Interestingly, Hawley's book "Making Sense of the Alt-Right" maintains that it is almost entirely an online based thing in the US. They hardly ever have proper conferences, or join things, or do traditional political stuff off-line.

So this is an interesting development in UK.

I assume it has been co-ordinated between these individuals.

Yep, YouTube is especially key for them. Thanks for the heads up on the ‘Making Sense of the Alt-Right’ book, I’m definitely going to read that.

rottenborough

The_Apocalypse said:

@rottenborough Have you heard about this: https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012682098442895360?s=21

SMH.

Sort of. I am currently reading Timothy Snyder's new book, "The Road to Unfreedom". Has some stuff about Deutsch bank, loans to Trump, money laundering and Russia.

rottenborough

The_Apocalypse said:

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Wasn't that announced last week?

Guardian says it was announced on Tuesday. So yes I am a little late to catch up with this.

It is certainly quite a "journey" for a couple of those who have repeatedly claimed to be "classical liberals".

Yep. I’ve been side eyeing many of these so called classical liberals as well.

They are pure Alt-Right imho. Interestingly, Hawley's book "Making Sense of the Alt-Right" maintains that it is almost entirely an online based thing in the US. They hardly ever have proper conferences, or join things, or do traditional political stuff off-line.

So this is an interesting development in UK.

I assume it has been co-ordinated between these individuals.

Yep, YouTube is especially key for them. Thanks for the heads up on the ‘Making Sense of the Alt-Right’ book, I’m definitely going to read that.

How long before Pepe the frog is the new UKIP logo?

AlastairMeeks

So John Rees-Evans has set up Democrats & Veterans. Anne-Marie Waters has set up For Britain. Henry Bolton is supposedly setting up OneNation. Tim Aker is both in UKIP and Thurrock Independents simultaneously. Who else among the UKIP alumni has joined or founded (or preferably led) a new party recently?

rottenborough

https://twitter.com/CER_Grant/status/1012732694537568256

JRM will then have to bring May's government down?

Philip_Thompson

not_on_fire said:

Philip_Thompson said:

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012674742183251969?s=21
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012493364212764675?s=21
Bloody hell....

Yet another reason why we shouldn't leave.

In an uncertain world being in control of our own destiny seems a better plan than shackled into a sclerotic leviathan.

If we’re on our own we won’t be in control of anything

Of course we will, we will be in control of our own actions.

We won't be in control of everyone else but neither could nor should we be.

In stormy weather I'd rather put my trust in our own captain to be able to navigate the waters than a cult on one boat who can't adapt but reckon they can control the elements.

The_Apocalypse

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Wasn't that announced last week?

Guardian says it was announced on Tuesday. So yes I am a little late to catch up with this.

It is certainly quite a "journey" for a couple of those who have repeatedly claimed to be "classical liberals".

Yep. I’ve been side eyeing many of these so called classical liberals as well.

They are pure Alt-Right imho. Interestingly, Hawley's book "Making Sense of the Alt-Right" maintains that it is almost entirely an online based thing in the US. They hardly ever have proper conferences, or join things, or do traditional political stuff off-line.

So this is an interesting development in UK.

I assume it has been co-ordinated between these individuals.

Yep, YouTube is especially key for them. Thanks for the heads up on the ‘Making Sense of the Alt-Right’ book, I’m definitely going to read that.

How long before Pepe the frog is the new UKIP logo?

LOL, wouldn’t even be shocked to see that happen! I’m not remotely surprised the route UKIP are going down though. I saw this coming as soon as Batten joined that ‘free Tommy Robinson’ narrative.

not_on_fire

Philip_Thompson said:

not_on_fire said:

Philip_Thompson said:

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012674742183251969?s=21
https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/1012493364212764675?s=21
Bloody hell....

Yet another reason why we shouldn't leave.

In an uncertain world being in control of our own destiny seems a better plan than shackled into a sclerotic leviathan.

If we’re on our own we won’t be in control of anything

Of course we will, we will be in control of our own actions.

We won't be in control of everyone else but neither could nor should we be.

In stormy weather I'd rather put my trust in our own captain to be able to navigate the waters than a cult on one boat who can't adapt but reckon they can control the elements.

Have you met Cap’n May and First Officer Johnson? I wouldn’t put them in charge of a rubber dinghy.

DecrepitJohnL

HYUFD said:

Scott_P said:

https://twitter.com/paulwaugh/status/1012712981631729664

Whoever their candidate is the Tories need someone seen as able to tackle the rising crime rate in the capital, particularly of knife crime

Is it conceivable that Boris could run again? Could the men in grey suits make a deal to ease him out of the FCO? There is just the impression that Boris and Number 10 have come to some sort of non-aggression pact.

sarissa

david_herdson said:

david_herdson said:

In the spirit of democracy:

https://twitter.com/DavidHerdson/status/1012711587877040129

I vote for the one Aaron Banks doesn't fund...

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Eagles, I'm disappointed you missed the opportunity to make a Sugababes reference.

notme

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Paul Jospeh Watson has repeatedly over and over distanced himself from the alt right. Do keep up.

AndyJS

"Anthony Kennedy and the Death of True American Conservatism
Andrew Sullivan

..................................

Then look at white millennial men. They’ve gone from 48 percent to 37 percent Democratic support. More striking in their case is that they haven’t just moved away from the Democrats, but have now become Republicans. Their support for the GOP in the last two years has gone from 36 percent to 46. Which means that for white men between the ages of 18 and 34, the GOP now has a ten-point lead. It has achieved that swing in the last two years.

We don’t know why this has happened..."

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/06/anthony-kennedy-and-the-death-of-true-american-conservatism.html

rottenborough

notme said:

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Paul Jospeh Watson has repeatedly over and over distanced himself from the alt right. Do keep up.

On what grounds?

notme

The_Apocalypse said:

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

rottenborough said:

The_Apocalypse said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Wasn't that announced last week?

Guardian says it was announced on Tuesday. So yes I am a little late to catch up with this.

It is certainly quite a "journey" for a couple of those who have repeatedly claimed to be "classical liberals".

Yep. I’ve been side eyeing many of these so called classical liberals as well.

They are pure Alt-Right imho. Interestingly, Hawley's book "Making Sense of the Alt-Right" maintains that it is almost entirely an online based thing in the US. They hardly ever have proper conferences, or join things, or do traditional political stuff off-line.

So this is an interesting development in UK.

I assume it has been co-ordinated between these individuals.

Yep, YouTube is especially key for them. Thanks for the heads up on the ‘Making Sense of the Alt-Right’ book, I’m definitely going to read that.

How long before Pepe the frog is the new UKIP logo?

LOL, wouldn’t even be shocked to see that happen! I’m not remotely surprised the route UKIP are going down though. I saw this coming as soon as Batten joined that ‘free Tommy Robinson’ narrative.

#identitypoliticsforwhitepeople

dixiedean

AlastairMeeks said:

So John Rees-Evans has set up Democrats & Veterans. Anne-Marie Waters has set up For Britain. Henry Bolton is supposedly setting up OneNation. Tim Aker is both in UKIP and Thurrock Independents simultaneously. Who else among the UKIP alumni has joined or founded (or preferably led) a new party recently?

No Adrian Powlesland Asteroid Mining Party?
I confess to a slight disappointment.

AlastairMeeks

rottenborough said:

notme said:

rottenborough said:

Here it comes, the long predicted 'new' english nationalist, alt-right party.

UKIP has just had three high profile Alt-Right cyber types join it, including Paul Joseph Watson and Milo. Other new members have joined apparently.

"Ukip sources say the new members are younger, angrier and more extreme in their defence of ‘free speech’ and libertarianism than the party has ever seen."

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/meet-new-face-ukip-free-12819236?!111

Paul Jospeh Watson has repeatedly over and over distanced himself from the alt right. Do keep up.

On what grounds?

On the grounds that he doesn't like the label, mainly.