I’m surprised that Rudd’s gone. I think she’s a bungler, but she seemed one of the better talents in Cabinet. I didn’t detect any antipathy toward her from the public - pity if anything. It feels like May has hung her out to dry.
Yet May must realise she is now very exposed. Apart from anything else, Rudd was a loyal counterweight to Johnson et al.
Bring back Damian Green?
I don't think May has hung her out to dry so much as stood back while she too the blame for May's policy decisions. But the hammer blow seems to have been self-inflicted by Rudd in the end.
Will Rudd's loyalty to May survive intact?
Pah ,why on earth should it. She went above and beyond during GE17 for May and HS been repaid with an effective sacking. Definitely another pro EU rebel, and I can't blame her.
I’m surprised that Rudd’s gone. I think she’s a bungler, but she seemed one of the better talents in Cabinet. I didn’t detect any antipathy toward her from the public - pity if anything. It feels like May has hung her out to dry.
Yet May must realise she is now very exposed. Apart from anything else, Rudd was a loyal counterweight to Johnson et al.
Bring back Damian Green?
I don't think May has hung her out to dry so much as stood back while she too the blame for May's policy decisions. But the hammer blow seems to have been self-inflicted by Rudd in the end.
Will Rudd's loyalty to May survive intact?
Pah ,why on earth should it. She went above and beyond during GE17 for May and HS been repaid with an effective sacking. Definitely another pro EU rebel, and I can't blame her.
The timing of Rudd's resignation seems a bit odd -- too late for the first editions but before any scoop a newspaper might be holding back for the late editions. Was she forced out by a new revelation (so new we've not yet seen it)?
I’m surprised that Rudd’s gone. I think she’s a bungler, but she seemed one of the better talents in Cabinet. I didn’t detect any antipathy toward her from the public - pity if anything. It feels like May has hung her out to dry.
Yet May must realise she is now very exposed. Apart from anything else, Rudd was a loyal counterweight to Johnson et al.
Bring back Damian Green?
I don't think May has hung her out to dry so much as stood back while she too the blame for May's policy decisions. But the hammer blow seems to have been self-inflicted by Rudd in the end.
Will Rudd's loyalty to May survive intact?
Pah ,why on earth should it. She went above and beyond during GE17 for May and HS been repaid with an effective sacking. Definitely another pro EU rebel, and I can't blame her.
Be interesting to see how disruptive she becomes though. Maybe she'll have an added sense of freedom since she'll probably lose her seat at the next GE.
"Still, unlike Morgan, Soubry, Grieve, she will know exactly where the bodies are buried on internal Cabinet Brexit discussions about customs unions and Northern Ireland and more. That could be very dangerous indeed..." https://t.co/s8X6BD0DUh
Rudd may have gone over the potential misleading of Parliament but for the average voter the fact the government has targets for deporting illegal migrants is probably a good thing in their view
But I doubt the public are happy about deporting legal ones. Even xenophobic Brexiteers
The target was for illegal immigrants
But the consequences were that legal residents were excluded. It is completely unacceptable and the buck for that stops with May.
The timing of Rudd's resignation seems a bit odd -- too late for the first editions but before any scoop a newspaper might be holding back for the late editions. Was she forced out by a new revelation (so new we've not yet seen it)?
Rudd may have gone over the potential misleading of Parliament but for the average voter the fact the government has targets for deporting illegal migrants is probably a good thing in their view
But I doubt the public are happy about deporting legal ones. Even xenophobic Brexiteers
The target was for illegal immigrants
But the consequences were that legal residents were excluded. It is completely unacceptable and the buck for that stops with May.
Were they? As far as I can see the only reason for the resignation was not being clear enough that there were targets for deportation of illegal migrants not because there were mass deportations of legal migrants
Javid's name is being touted as a replacement and I can see the advantages but frankly, it's very much a lottery and while I can see why it wouldn't be some candidates, there are plenty of fairly anonymous cabinet ministers it could be.
Just a thought if these new hostile regulations have caught out the Windrush generation just how many illegal immigrants must it be catching
it is much harder to catch illegal immigrants since they try to have as less contact with government agencies as possible. Much easier to target people with documents like the windrush generation. Easy targets.
Why would anyone want to be HS? It strikes me as the mother of all hospital passes at the best of times. But now, well, you’d be forever sorting out the messes Mrs May left behind.......
Just a thought if these new hostile regulations have caught out the Windrush generation just how many illegal immigrants must it be catching
it is much harder to catch illegal immigrants since they try to have as less contact with government agencies as possible. Much easier to target people with documents like the windrush generation. Easy targets.
Rudd has paid the price for being inept at politics. She should have got ahead of the Windrush issue weeks ago, made a satement to the House giving - unasked - the clarifications dragged out of her last week. And she would have looked a hero.
If she has any sense - and any interest in staying in frontline politics - she will go back to her constituency and start working it like a LibDem would have worked it. (She should ask Kevin Foster for some tips...)
Why would anyone want to be HS? It strikes me as the mother of all hospital passes at the best of times. But now, well, you’d be forever sorting out the messes Mrs May left behind.......
Which would make it an easier job than hitherto, when you were expected to carry on the May policies which created the mess. Her replacement will have a certain independence of action.
Rudd has paid the price for being inept at politics. She should have got ahead of the Windrush issue weeks ago, made a satement to the House giving - unasked - the clarifications dragged out of her last week. And she would have looked a hero.
If she has any sense - and any interest in staying in frontline politics - she will go back to her constituency and start working it like a LibDem would have worked it. (She should ask Kevin Foster for some tips...)
I've looked into my crystal ball and make the following prediction.
The Windrush scandal will ultimately cost Theresa May her job.
Coupled with the customs union/BINO on free movement stuff not even net gains on Thursday will save her.
June election anyone? or October?
No, nada, absolutely not. After these local elections and 2 elections last year (3 in my case) I am all electioned out and May will be far too busy with Brexit talks anyway. I want an elections free summer
Backing people to stay in post pays long term. But it's clear that Rudd had some powerful big breasts and their journalist relations set against her in hindsight. Specifically Boris, and I think as the story developed probably May herself. Gove perhaps too
I've looked into my crystal ball and make the following prediction.
The Windrush scandal will ultimately cost Theresa May her job.
Coupled with the customs union/BINO on free movement stuff not even net gains on Thursday will save her.
The issue with Windrush is not just the policy but the extent to which May looks to have thrown Rudd under a bus. That kind of disloyalty - after the way Rudd served her in the general election - will not go down well.
I've never thought that May could serve to 2022. For the first time, I can see her going this year now.
Backing people to stay in post pays long term. But it's clear that Rudd had some powerful big breasts and their journalist relations set against her in hindsight. Specifically Boris, and I think as the story developed probably May herself. Gove perhaps too
D'you know, I am absolutely rubbish at reflex betting. Give me 6-12 months so I can do the research and proper maths and I'm bloody marvellous (see passim). But give me just 48hrs and a kneejerk reaction and I'll get it wrong every time. I've been working this weekend (I know: surprise) and consequently could not place a bet on Rudd surviving. And it's only that that prevented me from losing. Damn, damn, damn.
I've looked into my crystal ball and make the following prediction.
The Windrush scandal will ultimately cost Theresa May her job.
Coupled with the customs union/BINO on free movement stuff not even net gains on Thursday will save her.
The issue with Windrush is not just the policy but the extent to which May looks to have thrown Rudd under a bus. That kind of disloyalty - after the way Rudd served her in the general election - will not go down well.
I've never thought that May could serve to 2022. For the first time, I can see her going this year now.
It was Rudd who decided to resign, May did not sack her and was indeed reluctant to see her go
D'you know, I am absolutely rubbish at reflex betting. Give me 6-12 months so I can do the research and proper maths and I'm bloody marvellous (see passim). But give me just 48hrs and a kneejerk reaction and I'll get it wrong every time. I've been working this weekend (I know: surprise) and consequently could not place a bet on Rudd surviving. And it's only that that prevented me from losing. Damn, damn, damn.
I've looked into my crystal ball and make the following prediction.
The Windrush scandal will ultimately cost Theresa May her job.
Coupled with the customs union/BINO on free movement stuff not even net gains on Thursday will save her.
The issue with Windrush is not just the policy but the extent to which May looks to have thrown Rudd under a bus. That kind of disloyalty - after the way Rudd served her in the general election - will not go down well.
I've never thought that May could serve to 2022. For the first time, I can see her going this year now.
Last summer I had a £100 bet with JohnO that Theresa May would be gone/resigned/lost a VONC by the 2018 summer recess.
For a while I've considered that a lost bet, but now I can see how I win it.
I've looked into my crystal ball and make the following prediction.
The Windrush scandal will ultimately cost Theresa May her job.
Coupled with the customs union/BINO on free movement stuff not even net gains on Thursday will save her.
May has the most incredible survival instinct. I wouldn't bet against her.
Bit more difficult to keep your head down as she did when HS, if you’re Prime Minister. And with the Brexit deadline, she can no longer exercise her penchant for prevarication. I’m inclined to agree with TSE.
I've looked into my crystal ball and make the following prediction.
The Windrush scandal will ultimately cost Theresa May her job.
Coupled with the customs union/BINO on free movement stuff not even net gains on Thursday will save her.
The issue with Windrush is not just the policy but the extent to which May looks to have thrown Rudd under a bus. That kind of disloyalty - after the way Rudd served her in the general election - will not go down well.
I've never thought that May could serve to 2022. For the first time, I can see her going this year now.
It was Rudd who decided to resign, May did not sack her and was indeed reluctant to see her go
That's the official line, yes. But the way the leaks kept emerging - that has the smell of No 10 about it. I didn't have chance to comment on the last thread but TSE called that clue right.
I've looked into my crystal ball and make the following prediction.
The Windrush scandal will ultimately cost Theresa May her job.
Coupled with the customs union/BINO on free movement stuff not even net gains on Thursday will save her.
May has the most incredible survival instinct. I wouldn't bet against her.
Bit more difficult to keep your head down as she did when HS, if you’re Prime Minister. And with the Brexit deadline, she can no longer exercise her penchant for prevarication. I’m inclined to agree with TSE.
She has one bold move on Brexit left in her. She somehow needs to tie Johnson or Gove or both into a second referendum plan.
I've looked into my crystal ball and make the following prediction.
The Windrush scandal will ultimately cost Theresa May her job.
Coupled with the customs union/BINO on free movement stuff not even net gains on Thursday will save her.
The issue with Windrush is not just the policy but the extent to which May looks to have thrown Rudd under a bus. That kind of disloyalty - after the way Rudd served her in the general election - will not go down well.
I've never thought that May could serve to 2022. For the first time, I can see her going this year now.
It was Rudd who decided to resign, May did not sack her and was indeed reluctant to see her go
You're having a laugh right ?
May's left her out hanging to dry, used her as a human shield for policies enacted when she was at HO and finally chucked her under the bus when it all got too hot to handle
I've looked into my crystal ball and make the following prediction.
The Windrush scandal will ultimately cost Theresa May her job.
Coupled with the customs union/BINO on free movement stuff not even net gains on Thursday will save her.
The issue with Windrush is not just the policy but the extent to which May looks to have thrown Rudd under a bus. That kind of disloyalty - after the way Rudd served her in the general election - will not go down well.
I've never thought that May could serve to 2022. For the first time, I can see her going this year now.
I think the same. While I dont particularly like Rudds politics, I do like her loyalty and devotion to duty. She stood in well at the debates at no notice. I do not like to see anyone lose her job.
The Windrush focus will now move on to May, and can she survive it? I think it will be quite damaging to her.
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https://twitter.com/PolhomeEditor/status/990678355480465409
She went above and beyond during GE17 for May and HS been repaid with an effective sacking. Definitely another pro EU rebel, and I can't blame her.
Which is why she should say no, at this crucial time.
I reckon on someone boring.
No mention of Yvette, who of course is basically a Tory.
There will definitely be regional targets under Grayling. Probably involving most of the adult population.
She'll get to know a third!
https://twitter.com/katyballs/status/990708960834543617
The Windrush scandal will ultimately cost Theresa May her job.
Coupled with the customs union/BINO on free movement stuff not even net gains on Thursday will save her.
If she has any sense - and any interest in staying in frontline politics - she will go back to her constituency and start working it like a LibDem would have worked it. (She should ask Kevin Foster for some tips...)
Freedom of movement is still ending and the customs union will only be something we stay in if Parliament votes for it
Of course he is more then qualified more importantly.
I've never thought that May could serve to 2022. For the first time, I can see her going this year now.
No guarantee of that with any of the alternatives, but with Grayling there’s no doubt.
Still, well done @TheScreamingEagles.
For a while I've considered that a lost bet, but now I can see how I win it.
I’m inclined to agree with TSE.
Politics is exhausting at times, especially for us oldies
Have a great nights rest everyone
Good night
May's left her out hanging to dry, used her as a human shield for policies enacted when she was at HO and finally chucked her under the bus when it all got too hot to handle
The Windrush focus will now move on to May, and can she survive it? I think it will be quite damaging to her.