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They must know who leaked it, just from the angle of the shot.
Jezza under the bus
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Since when did the LotO have a 'personal capacity' in public?
Two possibilities: 1. Corbyn genuinely loathes Israel and is not prepared to disguise the fact because he is entirely uncompromising. 2. Someone has told him there are votes in anti-Zionism. Both terrifying.
https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/846d406bc800e21231ff1d5b6bba5b9d1b2be35afd58de1e4abb2a276d0bf337.jpg
Bundling up nonsense like this with the genuinely problematic stuff like his comments about that mural is only going to trivialise the latter.
The logical conclusion is many don't really care.
Which incidentally isn't what some of his outriders on the web are claiming - so hard to keep up.
Congratulations Jezbollah for keeping this going for at least another day
Or should we thank seamus?
https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-labour-party-antisemitism-criticism-a8283666.html
This partnership is key for New Zealand. I would say that if it's broken before lunch, they have no chance of saving the Test. De Grandhomme and Southee will play shots and score runs, but I wouldn't choose them to bat time which is what's needed.
England have had a very good morning. And with that, good night.
Running an article about a Muslim candidate for mayor with images of the 7/7 bombings = fine
Attending a Jewish group's seder dinner = antisemitic
Israel’s prime minister has suspended a deal made with the UN refugee agency to resettle thousands of African asylum seekers facing prison or deportation, just hours after his office announced an agreement had been reached.
“I’ve decided to suspend implementation of this accord and to rethink the terms of the accord,” Benjamin Netanyahu said in a late-night message on his Facebook page.
Would he be popular in the "Rust Belt"? Well, I think the better question is: will any of Trump's policies have done anything to resurrect Ohio, Pennsylvania and the like?
If not, then they may well be voting against Trump irrespective of who the Democratic candidate is. And if so, then Trump is getting re-elected in 2020.
He's heading off to Iowa to stump for the Democratic nomination. I think he's 10x the candidate Clinton, or Warren is, and he's more than a decade younger than Trump, Biden or Sanders.
Is he the presumptive favourite, or anything like that? No, obviously not. But - if he runs - he probably shouldn't be more than an 8-1 shot for the nomination, and that's assuming that Biden throws his hat into the ring.
I think he's value at anything above about 50-1, and if he runs, I think that should be more like 15 or 20-1.
Attending this dinner might arguably mean his foreign policy views are dangerous and wrong, and it might question whether he should be PM, but it doesn't show that he's "not treating the antisemitism crisis seriously", unless you're going to argue that this group is antisemitic.
https://www.inc.com/john-hickenlooper/how-he-got-laid-off-started-a-brewpub-and-got-elected-governor.html
"Hmm, hmm, how can I stick my middle finger up at everyone who wants me to stop the antisemitism, while at the same time letting my cult defend me? Well, apparently Neturei Karta are busy tonight, so what I'll do is hang out with some people who say Israel is a sewer that needs to be disposed of, and that the antisemitism scandal has been made up by Tories and Jews in a conspiracy... but those people will identify as Jewish, so I'll get away with it. Brilliant!"
This is sub "some of my best friends are black" stuff.
If he's visiting in his capacity as Leader of the Labour Party, it's the Labour Party which has anti-semitic links. If he's doing it in his persona; capacity, it's just Jeremy who has anti-semitic links.
I'm not convinced this is the PR victory Jeremy's team think it is.
I'll start North Korea are bad because of the terrible conditions they keep their civilian population in.
Now, you tell me why North Korea are good.
Ohh wait what? you don't want to back that view so there will be no conversation on the subject...
Okay, if you want to debate that Saudi Arabia aren't bad...
I hope I have pretty much made my point?
The reason we don't debate whether North Korea are good or are doing good things is because we agree on the answer. The same reason we don't debate whether killing working class children is a good idea but instead debate things like tuition fees. It isn't because we are all heartless monsters who think tuition fees policy is worse than ideas around killing working class children...
Nice try with the smear though
Edit: Also I'm pretty much always joining in conversations around the issue rather than starting them, as above if you can get PB to regularly bring up North Korea I have pretty negative opinions.
I should emphasise that I'm not talking about all of the far left here. But there is clearly a substantial number within that bloc who don't see anything wrong with being anti-Jew.
Corbyn can now be backed at 2.02 to remain leader until July 2020
ie a 50:50 shot that he lasts the next 27 months.
Illiquid market but as of now £150 can be staked at 2.00 (ie bang on even money).
Given the general perception on here that it's almost impossible to remove him those odds may seem a bit surprising - but who knows - anything can happen!
If (say) Alistair Meeks were to go to a PB meet-up which Sean T also attended, would that mean it would thereafter be fair to assume they had endorsed eachother's political views, and had given eachother a "public show of support"?
(Incidentally, "given airtime?". Are you under the impression people here are broadcasters? Or is this a newfangled coinage like "reach out" for "I posted on twitter"?)
EDIT: and I'm off to bed too, so please don't take further non-response from me as a sign of rudeness!
https://twitter.com/davidschneider/status/980938641102032896
Enough is more than f*cking enough.
The next steps from here are usually predictable. A non-Jew like Wes Streeting, Luke Akehurst or Stephen Pollard will appear on TV and claim to be the sole representative of the Jewish community
https://jewdas.org/enough-is-enough/
Also:
In a story that has rocked north London, Jewish Chronicle editor Stephen Pollard is rumoured to have an uncircumcised penis.
https://jewdas.org/stephen-pollard-uncircumcised/
Can you explain how I didn't know there were anti-Zionist Jews in the world and where exactly I proved this?
I replied to your post above, as shocking as it may seem the post in which you weren't quoted wasn't directed at your post, what may also shock is that the post in which you demanded your 4 cases to prove I wasn't an anti semite which was wrote just a minute before mine wasn't even up whilst I was writing my reply.
I realise that doesn't fit in with your conspiracy theories...
This event tonight and the reaction basically sum up what they are talking about when they say faux-outrage.
This group hasn't stated (AFAIK) that anti-semitism does not exist in the Labour party, which would contradict Corbyn.
Corbyn hasn't stated that the media haven't made more of the issue for political advantage.
I suspect both think that both are true.
There is no contradiction between saying anti-semitism exists in the labour party, that it is bad and that the media are making the most of the narrative for political advantage.
https://twitter.com/toadmeister/status/980934071198146560
https://jewdas.org/enough-is-enough/
https://twitter.com/enrages/status/980940832600621056
Here is some more of their statement.
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Most of the remaining left-wing Jews either disappeared into nothingness or found each other in niche Trotskyist factions or single-issue campaigns. Groups like Jews for Justice for Palestinians, Free Speech on Israel and Jewish Voice for Labour are, whatever you think of them, the remnant of radical Jews who have been forced out of their own communities.
In 2005, a small group made the decision that, this generation, we would not be forced out. Despite our deeply held beliefs in opposing capitalism and nationalism, we wanted to remain loyal to our own community. We wanted to stay members of synagogues and be part of our communities, full of all the complications and contradictions that would involve. We wanted to be able to persuade people of our opinions and, where we couldn’t, we would accept the joy of being in diverse spaces. Most of all, we wanted to be able to laugh at ourselves, each other and the Anglo-Jewish establishment. We wanted to have fun. And we tried.
But now enough is enough.
Over the last decade, because of our position straddling the left and the Jewish community, Jewdas has been the only radical faction that took antisemitism seriously. When we joined pro-Palestine marches (which we did, proudly), we brought with us leaflets explaining how to criticise Israel without being antisemitic. We called out offensive placards and engaged in constructive conversations with people who held them.
When the entirety of the left engaged in circle-jerks about free speech after the Hyperkasher killings in Paris, we were the only group on the left to denounce those acts of terrorism as attacks on Jews.
When neo-Nazis marched through Stamford Hill, we were the only group to go out and protest them. When the same group marched on Parliament, we managed to convince the Campaign Against Antisemitism (though not the Board of Deputies) to join us.
We lost plenty of friends when we were the one of the only left factions to call for Ken Livingstone’s expulsion.
Time and time and time again, we have denounced antisemitism, left and right. We have always stood up for our community.
But now enough is enough.
What has happened over the last week is anything but an attempt to address antisemitism. It is the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party. It is a malicious ploy to remove the leader of the Opposition and put a stop to the possibility of a socialist government. The Board of Deputies, the (disgraced for corruption) Jewish Leadership Council and the (unelected, undemocratic) Jewish Labour Movement are playing a dangerous game with people’s lives.
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What a great statement, non-Jewish people calling this organisation out should be ashamed of themselves.
This is not about dealing with antisemitism.
......your goals have nothing to do with combatting antisemitism and everything to do with ousting the first successful socialist in a lifetime.
Corbyn 'irresponsible' for attending left wing Jewish event
Meanwhile, the chairman of the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism, Gideon Falter, said Mr Corbyn's claims to remedy anti-Semitism within the party and his appearance at this meeting made him a "duplicitous" man.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43624231
I assume this is the case trying to be built?
a narrative that pretends that another Holocaust is round the corner in Britain
https://jewdas.org/enough-is-enough/
Not only do they take anti-semitism seriously but they actively fight it which is far more than many of those now trying to make political capital out of building a narrative of them as bad Jews can claim. I guess for some fighting anti-semitism comes second place to fighting Corbyn using anti-semitism.
So you agree that Corbyn's critics claim another holocaust is around the corner in Britain? Strange argument when they complain that some of Corbyn's mates deny it happened in the first place?
As for your questions....... It is just sort of confusing I'm not sure where the so you agree comes from, maybe you could quote to me the specific part where I talk about Corbyn critics claiming a holocaust is around the corner... or something similar to that?
Also I'm not sure what the strange relation of the second question is to the first, are you claiming that somebody could not say Corbyn critics are claiming a holocaust is around the corner and then criticise holocaust deniers? The first part may or may not be reasonable, depending how wide you define Corbyn critic and how vague a potential holocaust claim would need to be to qualify, can't really see much wrong with criticising holocaust deniers....
It is about the threat that the possibility of nationalisation, rent caps and redistribution of wealth poses to the people whose ‘philanthropy’ funds our community.
people of a certain age, class and political persuasion [and]...non-Jew(s) to a Corbyn premiership.
As for the second bit I really can't be bothered to spend a few paragraphs responding to guesses at variations of what you possibly mean and what that could have to do with anti-semitism considering you stated non-Jew(s)
Now you can explain how this line 'people of a certain age, class and political persuasion [and]...non-Jew(s) to a Corbyn premiership.' from their article.
Proves the charge which is in your own words (look back in the quotes)
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The charge is that they don't take claims of anti-semitism seriously - for which there is an abundance of evidence:
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Because quite frankly it seems like a stretch....
Or during our conversation did that charge get dropped and are you now making a different charge?
Edit: I don't know if this is asking a lot but if you actually have a case to make could you present it rather than this weird riddle thing you seem to be doing where the answer is apparently clear without you saying what it is or getting around to presenting it.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-fresh-controversy-after-12294140
And all the papers you’d expect.....
I'm going to jinx NZ by saying I think they'll hold out for the draw.
1. After many conciliatory statements Jezza chose to attend an event by a group who believes that antisemitism in the Labour is a smear campaign and is also deeply hostile to mainstream Judaism.
2. The attendance keeps the story bubbling away for yet another news cycle.
Mirror good enough for you?
In a statement last week, the group accused the Jewish Board of Deputies, Jewish Leadership Council and Jewish Labour Movement of "playing a dangerous game with people's lives".
Allegations linking Mr Corbyn to anti-Semitism were "the work of cynical manipulations by people whose express loyalty is to the Conservative Party and the right wing of the Labour Party ", it said.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-fresh-controversy-after-12294140
Light is always difficult to judge on TV, but they did finish early yesterday.
Short answer - we need wickets!
No a group with years of fighting anti-semitism can't be charged by someone who didn't attend any of those protests against anti-semitism to not take fighting anti-semitism seriously because they disagreed with some other Jewish organisations.
https://twitter.com/baddiel/status/980942124362366977
This kind of stuff (Guido story) simply feeds into the beliefs many Corbyn supporters have that this about ‘attacking’ Corbyn, it actually makes it harder to deal with antisemitism.
The handful of times I have walked past an Anti-Israel rally I felt the rally`s stank of Anti-Semitism.To read Jewdas claim that they proudly walked on Pro- Palestinian rallies suggests to me that they have built a myopic anti-capitalist bubble around themselves.
It's quite simple. You have a fair process in place, and apply that process fairly. You do not prejudge or ignore.
That's what Labour's got wrong under Corbyn, and that's why they're getting pasted.
(BTW, the same goes for other things such as Islamophobia or general racism as well, and applies to all parties and, for that matter, organisations).
Its been a pretty disappointing winter.
Or worse, it was being judged through a political prism: if a Conservative or moderate Labour figure said it, it would be wrong. If a hard leftist says it, it's obviously fine and just a plot by other members against him.
Corbyn is being attacked because he, and his followers in the party, are doing wrong.
I would have thought me saying that ‘it needs to be taken as seriously’ would imply that I don’t think the issue is being taken seriously within Labour under Corbyn.
I take the point that it prolongs the unfavourable media coverage, and in the TV age that would have been an unmitigated bad thing, but social media has slightly different rules, because you can keep an attack line going even after the broadcast media have moved on.