David Miliband is a good administrator. But there is a reason he was a poor Foreign Secretary, unable to displace Brown and lost to his brother. He is simply not a leader. He doesn't have the imagination, drive, or clarity of thought needed. Moreover, he is a pretty uninspiring speaker.
Mandelson is not a man I like, but there is no doubting his shrewdness. He believed 'David doesn't have the lead in his pencil' and given Mandelson knew (unusually for a senior politician) that was also true of himself, I think his judgement demands serious consideration.
The Liberal Democrats need somebody with flair, vigour, charisma, popularity, not somebody dealing with dull administrative processes. Sounds funny and even counter-intuitive, but what they really need is somebody like Boris Johnson - somebody who may be useless and incompetent but is always news one way or another.
What is Lembit doing these days?
Living off the income of a number of rental houses, boozing and whoring (allegedly).
I've known people life worse lives.
Me thinks your comment may have been conducted within the scope of the second admonition.
David Miliband is a good administrator. But there is a reason he was a poor Foreign Secretary, unable to displace Brown and lost to his brother. He is simply not a leader. He doesn't have the imagination, drive, or clarity of thought needed. Moreover, he is a pretty uninspiring speaker.
Mandelson is not a man I like, but there is no doubting his shrewdness. He believed 'David doesn't have the lead in his pencil' and given Mandelson knew (unusually for a senior politician) that was also true of himself, I think his judgement demands serious consideration.
The Liberal Democrats need somebody with flair, vigour, charisma, popularity, not somebody dealing with dull administrative processes. Sounds funny and even counter-intuitive, but what they really need is somebody like Boris Johnson - somebody who may be useless and incompetent but is always news one way or another.
What is Lembit doing these days?
Living off the income of a number of rental houses, boozing and whoring (allegedly).
I've known people life worse lives.
Me thinks your comment may have been conducted within the scope of your second admonition.
I had to look up 'admonition'. Aside from that, no comment.
Are we really believing the bowlers had no knowledge of the ball tampering?
Smith had said the leadership group discussed it. We're to believe that consists only of him and Warner?
It is also surprising that Group didn't include the wicketkeeper, who would understand the bowling conditions best and is a very experienced player.
Doesn't suggest the healthiest of team environments.
I make no accusations, but when people are prepared to go to these lengths to win matches, is there any reason to suppose they're likely to tell the truth about it afterwards? Are they under oath, or something?
When caught people confess to many things, including murder. But given the leadership group comments from before, if this is the extent of that group then Smith was trying to deflect from his own culpability by implying several more were involved, or the three lied now to save a few others.
Either way, Smith doesn't come out of it well. So silly, when he's the best batsman in the world.
If another of the team has bullying propensities, it's possible he may simply be too weak to cope with it.
I have to say, even if Lehman didn't know about this, it's difficult to see how he can continue. This suggests a team that's being appallingly mismanaged one way and another. The sheer amount of bullying implied on its own is frightening.
David Miliband is a good administrator. But there is a reason he was a poor Foreign Secretary, unable to displace Brown and lost to his brother. He is simply not a leader. He doesn't have the imagination, drive, or clarity of thought needed. Moreover, he is a pretty uninspiring speaker.
Mandelson is not a man I like, but there is no doubting his shrewdness. He believed 'David doesn't have the lead in his pencil' and given Mandelson knew (unusually for a senior politician) that was also true of himself, I think his judgement demands serious consideration.
The Liberal Democrats need somebody with flair, vigour, charisma, popularity, not somebody dealing with dull administrative processes. Sounds funny and even counter-intuitive, but what they really need is somebody like Boris Johnson - somebody who may be useless and incompetent but is always news one way or another.
What is Lembit doing these days?
Living off the income of a number of rental houses, boozing and whoring (allegedly).
I've known people life worse lives.
Me thinks your comment may have been conducted within the scope of your second admonition.
I had to look up 'admonition'. Aside from that, no comment.
Off topic, the thing that annoys me the most about Baroness Shami Chakrabarti is that she never ever bloody smiles, or laughs.
Why?
How do you get through life being that earnest and/or miserable all the time?
Does she think that for “serious” subjects she always has to be serious to get a hearing? Or does she simply have no joy in her soul?
I ma no fan of Chakrabarti. However, I refer you to Terrence Rattigan's famous character Sir Robert Morton, when asked why he was ashamed of his emotions:
'Because in my profession I must necessarily distrust them. To fight a case on emotional grounds is the surest way to lose it. Cold clear logic and buckets of it should be a lawyer's only weapon.'
Aside from the cheating, the crass stupidity the Aussies showed in ball tampering in a test ground surrounded by TV and mobile phone cameras is gob smacking.
Off topic, the thing that annoys me the most about Baroness Shami Chakrabarti is that she never ever bloody smiles, or laughs.
Why?
How do you get through life being that earnest and/or miserable all the time?
Does she think that for “serious” subjects she always has to be serious to get a hearing? Or does she simply have no joy in her soul?
That seems a little harsh. While there'd be nothing wrong with a bit of smiling or laughing even during some serious and weighty discussion, a more solemn demeanour doesn't seen untoward. She might be a very smiley and pleasant person at other times. And even if not, that's her business.
The most I would say is she is not especially charismatic, though she has a decent level of presence in front of the camera, having had plenty of practice.
David Miliband is a good administrator. But there is a reason he was a poor Foreign Secretary, unable to displace Brown and lost to his brother. He is simply not a leader. He doesn't have the imagination, drive, or clarity of thought needed. Moreover, he is a pretty uninspiring speaker.
Mandelson is not a man I like, but there is no doubting his shrewdness. He believed 'David doesn't have the lead in his pencil' and given Mandelson knew (unusually for a senior politician) that was also true of himself, I think his judgement demands serious consideration.
The Liberal Democrats need somebody with flair, vigour, charisma, popularity, not somebody dealing with dull administrative processes. Sounds funny and even counter-intuitive, but what they really need is somebody like Boris Johnson - somebody who may be useless and incompetent but is always news one way or another.
What is Lembit doing these days?
Chukka Umunna stands out as a leadership contender for a New Lab-Lib Dem alliance.
Aside from the cheating, the crass stupidity the Aussies showed in ball tampering in a test ground surrounded by TV and mobile phone cameras is gob smacking.
A lawyer acquaintance of mine claimed that most policemen are thick; but that's fine, as they only need to be more intelligent than the criminals, who are mostly even more thick.
In this case, they're utterly thick. Reputations have been destroyed.
If he can keep a lid on NHS problems, or god forbid solve some, the Tories have a much better chance and he would deserve to be among the most powerful.
So whilst Labour are talking about Corbyn's hat and a mural the Government is getting on with the Russia crisis, the Brexit Transition deal, and a series of NHS pay and investment initiatives.
Off topic, the thing that annoys me the most about Baroness Shami Chakrabarti is that she never ever bloody smiles, or laughs.
Why?
How do you get through life being that earnest and/or miserable all the time?
Does she think that for “serious” subjects she always has to be serious to get a hearing? Or does she simply have no joy in her soul?
She has always had a sanctimonious air about her. Permanently tarnished her own reputation by her elevation to the Lords under those circumstances.
She is the sort of person who might reasonably have been considered for a peerage (like her or not) but to have it happen under those circumstances means it will always appear as it if might have come with conditions.
Off topic, the thing that annoys me the most about Baroness Shami Chakrabarti is that she never ever bloody smiles, or laughs.
Why?
How do you get through life being that earnest and/or miserable all the time?
Does she think that for “serious” subjects she always has to be serious to get a hearing? Or does she simply have no joy in her soul?
I ma no fan of Chakrabarti. However, I refer you to Terrence Rattigan's famous character Sir Robert Morton, when asked why he was ashamed of his emotions:
'Because in my profession I must necessarily distrust them. To fight a case on emotional grounds is the surest way to lose it. Cold clear logic and buckets of it should be a lawyer's only weapon.'
Perhaps, but wit, charm and humour are also deployable.
She just seems a total mood-hoover to me. I don’t think I could bear to be in the same room as her.
David Miliband is a good administrator. But there is a reason he was a poor Foreign Secretary, unable to displace Brown and lost to his brother. He is simply not a leader. He doesn't have the imagination, drive, or clarity of thought needed. Moreover, he is a pretty uninspiring speaker.
Mandelson is not a man I like, but there is no doubting his shrewdness. He believed 'David doesn't have the lead in his pencil' and given Mandelson knew (unusually for a senior politician) that was also true of himself, I think his judgement demands serious consideration.
The Liberal Democrats need somebody with flair, vigour, charisma, popularity, not somebody dealing with dull administrative processes. Sounds funny and even counter-intuitive, but what they really need is somebody like Boris Johnson - somebody who may be useless and incompetent but is always news one way or another.
What is Lembit doing these days?
Living off the income of a number of rental houses, boozing and whoring (allegedly).
I've known people life worse lives.
Me thinks your comment may have been conducted within the scope of your second admonition.
I had to look up 'admonition'. Aside from that, no comment.
Aside from the cheating, the crass stupidity the Aussies showed in ball tampering in a test ground surrounded by TV and mobile phone cameras is gob smacking.
A lawyer acquaintance of mine claimed that most policemen are thick; but that's fine, as they only need to be more intelligent than the criminals, who are mostly even more thick.
In this case, they're utterly thick. Reputations have been destroyed.
The big question is will anything be found on previous video from other tests.. Its quite possible that there is other evidence. Why would they want to cheat against SA who aren't very good? Why were the Ozzie bowlers able to get the ball to swing violently when our bowlers couldn't get it to do little or nothing.. There are lots of unanswered questions..
I have to say, even if Lehman didn't know about this, it's difficult to see how he can continue. This suggests a team that's being appallingly mismanaged one way and another. The sheer amount of bullying implied on its own is frightening.
I need to be careful now, as the following could be misconstrued (or perhaps seen in the manner I meant): the problem might be that it's not a 'nice' smile, and she realises it. That's not her fault. I've known plenty of men with smiles that make them look like wrong 'uns, who are in reality good blokes.
There is enough to damn her on without commenting on expressions.
edit: likewise, I've known people I see as 'ugly' in thought and/or looks whose smiles given them a much better countenance.
I have to say, even if Lehman didn't know about this, it's difficult to see how he can continue. This suggests a team that's being appallingly mismanaged one way and another. The sheer amount of bullying implied on its own is frightening.
Well CA say he is safe and will continue..
His contract is up shortly. I think very soon he will find a reason to be off work until it expires.
Hopefully somebody of unimpeachable integrity would replace him. Langer and Gillespie are the names I'm hearing - either would do nicely.
David Miliband is a good administrator. But there is a reason he was a poor Foreign Secretary, unable to displace Brown and lost to his brother. He is simply not a leader. He doesn't have the imagination, drive, or clarity of thought needed. Moreover, he is a pretty uninspiring speaker.
Mandelson is not a man I like, but there is no doubting his shrewdness. He believed 'David doesn't have the lead in his pencil' and given Mandelson knew (unusually for a senior politician) that was also true of himself, I think his judgement demands serious consideration.
The Liberal Democrats need somebody with flair, vigour, charisma, popularity, not somebody dealing with dull administrative processes. Sounds funny and even counter-intuitive, but what they really need is somebody like Boris Johnson - somebody who may be useless and incompetent but is always news one way or another.
What is Lembit doing these days?
Living off the income of a number of rental houses, boozing and whoring (allegedly).
I've known people life worse lives.
Me thinks your comment may have been conducted within the scope of your second admonition.
I had to look up 'admonition'. Aside from that, no comment.
Aside from the cheating, the crass stupidity the Aussies showed in ball tampering in a test ground surrounded by TV and mobile phone cameras is gob smacking.
A lawyer acquaintance of mine claimed that most policemen are thick; but that's fine, as they only need to be more intelligent than the criminals, who are mostly even more thick.
In this case, they're utterly thick. Reputations have been destroyed.
The big question is will anything be found on previous video from other tests.. Its quite possible that there is other evidence. Why would they want to cheat against SA who aren't very good? Why were the Ozzie bowlers able to get the ball to swing violently when our bowlers couldn't get it to do little or nothing.. There are lots of unanswered questions..
They can't be considered. Complaints about ball tampering need to be lodged very quickly - usually by the end of the day's play. All other considerations aside proving an offence after any lapse of time would be hard.
What's really bizarre is how easy it is to change the condition of the ball perfectly legally or at the very least without being noticed - and then they go and do something like this with a hundred cameras on them, at a time when they are so widely loathed people are looking for a reason to trip them up!
I have to say, even if Lehman didn't know about this, it's difficult to see how he can continue. This suggests a team that's being appallingly mismanaged one way and another. The sheer amount of bullying implied on its own is frightening.
Well CA say he is safe and will continue..
Cambridge Analytica are getting too involved in humanity.
I need to be careful now, as the following could be misconstrued (or perhaps seen in the manner I meant): the problem might be that it's not a 'nice' smile, and she realises it. That's not her fault. I've known plenty of men with smiles that make them look like wrong 'uns, who are in reality good blokes.
There is enough to damn her on without commenting on expressions.
One of those barely qualifies, but the other is a start.
Expressions are important. Personally, I find I can’t listen, yet alone connect, with someone who doesn’t show some level of warmth or levity.
There’s always a time to be serious but, in her case, that’s all the time and it does come across as insincere and sanctimonious.
David Miliband is a good administrator. But there is a reason he was a poor Foreign Secretary, unable to displace Brown and lost to his brother. He is simply not a leader. He doesn't have the imagination, drive, or clarity of thought needed. Moreover, he is a pretty uninspiring speaker.
Mandelson is not a man I like, but there is no doubting his shrewdness. He believed 'David doesn't have the lead in his pencil' and given Mandelson knew (unusually for a senior politician) that was also true of himself, I think his judgement demands serious consideration.
The Liberal Democrats need somebody with flair, vigour, charisma, popularity, not somebody dealing with dull administrative processes. Sounds funny and even counter-intuitive, but what they really need is somebody like Boris Johnson - somebody who may be useless and incompetent but is always news one way or another.
What is Lembit doing these days?
Living off the income of a number of rental houses, boozing and whoring (allegedly).
I've known people life worse lives.
Me thinks your comment may have been conducted within the scope of your second admonition.
I had to look up 'admonition'. Aside from that, no comment.
Mr Jessop, I was trying to make an obscure pun on the biblical reference in question, the name of one the Bard's plays, and a suggestion as to why you may have missed it.
Dark-coloured cat's piss sold at premium prices does not otherwise come into it.
Off topic, the thing that annoys me the most about Baroness Shami Chakrabarti is that she never ever bloody smiles, or laughs.
Why?
How do you get through life being that earnest and/or miserable all the time?
Does she think that for “serious” subjects she always has to be serious to get a hearing? Or does she simply have no joy in her soul?
Women are damned as being too flirty or non-serious if they smile too much and for being joyless if they don't.
It has precisely nothing to do with her being a woman.
I have literally never seen her smile once. Ever. I can’t think of a single other woman in public life who’s like that.
I find it such a turn-off my eyes roll now whenever she appears on screen.
Many moons ago, I heard her on Desert Island Discs. I remember two things about it: Firstly, she had the Kaiser Chief's I Predict a Riot. Secondly, she said that she was incapable of spending time alone, and that was what scared her about the island.
For the record, I would not have chose I Predict a Riot and - by and large - I prefer my own company. I also smile from time to time.
I can’t believe anyone would be seriously concerned about something as trival as not smiling publicly.
John O'Farrell described how in the 1980s at Exeter one of his housemates decided smiling was right wing, so he went everywhere pretending to be utterly miserable.
I've known plenty of men with smiles that make them look like wrong 'uns, who are in reality good blokes.
I think Gavin Williamson falls into that bracket. Well, the bit about the smile making him look like a wrong 'un. Not sure what he's really like!
I've always been amused by the thought of actors who always play villains in general, wholesome situations, like Christopher Lee reading children a bedtime story. If you always see certain people playing villains, I can imagine that being weird for people who are acquaintances.
I see today that 18 months ago you voted for a xenophobic campaign. You have enabled the contamination of British politics in order to pursue a matter of second order importance. Britain will not develop in a positive direction until Leavers confront their own choice and stop hiding behind what they claim to have wanted. What they claim to have wanted was not on offer.
Please stop this... it's getting a bit embarrassing to read now. I bow to nobody in my horror and disappointment at the referendum result but the truth is that both campaigns were terrible. The vast majority of people who voted on both sides were not and are not bad people. If they were then all of us would have to condemn and insult members of our own families and circle of friends in order to be consistent. I see no malice in my loved ones who voted against what I believe to be the national interest and therefore no reason to assume bad intentions in people I don't know either.
Those who voted for a Leave campaign which included those posters implicitly agreed with, and contributed to the direction of the country towards a more xenophobic attitude. They said: yes, this is fine, this is the kind of country I want to be in. They endorsed that xenophobic, hateful campaign and they were prepared to do this because they had some nebulous idea of sovereignty (which we always were, btw).
That I imagine is why Alastair won't let it go, and quite right that he shouldn't, IMO.
Nobody voted for a campaign. It wasn't a BGT show.
It was a decision on whether or not to Remain In or Leave the EU. That was what was on the ballot paper, and that's what people voted on.
Doesn't wash I'm afraid. The single most influential person, the person without whom there would have been no referendum, the person without whom we would still be in the EU (and great credit to him for all of that)...stood in front of one of those posters and thereby endorsed it.
And those who voted Leave agreed with him and effectively said: yes - this is the sort of country we want and we will vote for it.
Presumably any Leave voters who used their postal votes and voted before that poster came out are exempt from your criticism?
I can see though that it might make it easier for you to deal with it by throwing shit at people's motives so you can bask in the glow that people you agree with are good and those you disagree with are evil. I imagine that people with lower intellects might use such a technique too rather than examining the myriad of reasons that went into people's decisions.....
Solzhenitsyn put it well:
“If only if it were so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere committing insidious deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
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An elegant reply but I do feel you are suffering what can only be described as a bereavement and are taking the matter as an absolute affront to your person. It's clear that at present you feel the need to lash out somewhat however the bitter division you mention was also there before the vote but was ignored largely and now it has made itself undeniable intelligent people like yourself (whilst perhaps now feeling like many brexiters before the referendum was confirmed) can, whilst still looking for a "way back" perhaps also use part of your very good brain to think "even if I hate this I love this country (as evidenced by my upset about a bitter division damaging the country) and so I will find ways to make the best of this for the country".
I really do believe there are many Remainers who if they spent less time railing about Brexit would be able to contribute positively to the future rather than leaving it to Dr Fox et al but it requires an element of positivity on their part which I hope will come sooner rather than later..... Sometimes in life you have to say "well I wouldn't want to be in this situation in the first place but now we are here how do I make the best of it".
Off topic, the thing that annoys me the most about Baroness Shami Chakrabarti is that she never ever bloody smiles, or laughs.
Why?
How do you get through life being that earnest and/or miserable all the time?
Does she think that for “serious” subjects she always has to be serious to get a hearing? Or does she simply have no joy in her soul?
Women are damned as being too flirty or non-serious if they smile too much and for being joyless if they don't.
It has precisely nothing to do with her being a woman.
I have literally never seen her smile once. Ever. I can’t think of a single other woman in public life who’s like that.
I find it such a turn-off my eyes roll now whenever she appears on screen.
Many moons ago, I heard her on Desert Island Discs. I remember two things about it: Firstly, she had the Kaiser Chief's I Predict a Riot. Secondly, she said that she was incapable of spending time alone, and that was what scared her about the island.
For the record, I would not have chose I Predict a Riot and - by and large - I prefer my own company. I also smile from time to time.
Are you allowed a luxury item? Would a computer with a broad connection to PB be acceptable?
I can see though that it might make it easier for you to deal with it by throwing shit at people's motives so you can bask in the glow that people you agree with are good and those you disagree with are evil. I imagine that people with lower intellects might use such a technique too rather than examining the myriad of reasons that went into people's decisions.....
Solzhenitsyn put it well:
“If only if it were so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere committing insidious deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line dividing good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?”
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An elegant reply but I do feel you are suffering what can only be described as a bereavement and are taking the matter as an absolute affront to your person. It's clear that at present you feel the need to lash out somewhat however the bitter division you mention was also there before the vote but was ignored largely and now it has made itself undeniable intelligent people like yourself (whilst perhaps now feeling like many brexiters before the referendum was confirmed) can, whilst still looking for a "way back" perhaps also use part of your very good brain to think "even if I hate this I love this country (as evidenced by my upset about a bitter division damaging the country) and so I will find ways to make the best of this for the country".
I really do believe there are many Remainers who if they spent less time railing about Brexit would be able to contribute positively to the future rather than leaving it to Dr Fox et al but it requires an element of positivity on their part which I hope will come sooner rather than later..... Sometimes in life you have to say "well I wouldn't want to be in this situation in the first place but now we are here how do I make the best of it".
The best of it can only be made when Leave advocates come to recognise the disfigurement they have done to British politics. There can be no progress till then.
David Miliband is a good administrator. But there is a reason he was a poor Foreign Secretary, unable to displace Brown and lost to his brother. He is simply not a leader. He doesn't have the imagination, drive, or clarity of thought needed. Moreover, he is a pretty uninspiring speaker.
Mandelson is not a man I like, but there is no doubting his shrewdness. He believed 'David doesn't have the lead in his pencil' and given Mandelson knew (unusually for a senior politician) that was also true of himself, I think his judgement demands serious consideration.
The Liberal Democrats need somebody with flair, vigour, charisma, popularity, not somebody dealing with dull administrative processes. Sounds funny and even counter-intuitive, but what they really need is somebody like Boris Johnson - somebody who may be useless and incompetent but is always news one way or another.
What is Lembit doing these days?
Living off the income of a number of rental houses, boozing and whoring (allegedly).
I've known people life worse lives.
Me thinks your comment may have been conducted within the scope of your second admonition.
I had to look up 'admonition'. Aside from that, no comment.
Mr Jessop, I was trying to make an obscure pun on the biblical reference in question, the name of one the Bard's plays, and a suggestion as to why you may have missed it.
Dark-coloured cat's piss sold at premium prices does not otherwise come into it.
I'm just wary of the idea that someone who 'looks' right - by looks or expression - might in some way be more 'correct' than someone who does not.
I mean, just look at my profile pic!
Unfortunately I think it's very important in politics. Cameron just looked and sounded right in a way that Ed Miliband didn't. Nick Clegg looked right too. And the voice can be important. I think someone on here said that they thought Farage has a good voice.
I can’t believe anyone would be seriously concerned about something as trival as not smiling publicly.
John O'Farrell described how in the 1980s at Exeter one of his housemates decided smiling was right wing, so he went everywhere pretending to be utterly miserable.
LOL - some people really are a bit weird. Wonder why anyone would think smiling was something specifically right wing.
Poor Gordon Brown. That video reminds me of when I read somewhere that they tried to apply things Tony Blair did to Gordon Brown’s election campaign and how it didn’t really work.
David Miliband is a good administrator. But there is a reason he was a poor Foreign Secretary, unable to displace Brown and lost to his brother. He is simply not a leader. He doesn't have the imagination, drive, or clarity of thought needed. Moreover, he is a pretty uninspiring speaker.
Mandelson is not a man I like, but there is no doubting his shrewdness. He believed 'David doesn't have the lead in his pencil' and given Mandelson knew (unusually for a senior politician) that was also true of himself, I think his judgement demands serious consideration.
The Liberal Democrats need somebody with flair, vigour, charisma, popularity, not somebody dealing with dull administrative processes. Sounds funny and even counter-intuitive, but what they really need is somebody like Boris Johnson - somebody who may be useless and incompetent but is always news one way or another.
What is Lembit doing these days?
Living off the income of a number of rental houses, boozing and whoring (allegedly).
I've known people life worse lives.
Me thinks your comment may have been conducted within the scope of your second admonition.
I had to look up 'admonition'. Aside from that, no comment.
Mr Jessop, I was trying to make an obscure pun on the biblical reference in question, the name of one the Bard's plays, and a suggestion as to why you may have missed it.
Dark-coloured cat's piss sold at premium prices does not otherwise come into it.
I repeat: I am a pleb.
I would hardly say that I have had two coats and everything handsome about me, yet still I can quote Shakespeare.
I can’t believe anyone would be seriously concerned about something as trival as not smiling publicly.
John O'Farrell described how in the 1980s at Exeter one of his housemates decided smiling was right wing, so he went everywhere pretending to be utterly miserable.
LOL - some people really are a bit weird. Wonder why anyone would think smiling was something specifically right wing.
Baring teeth is a predatory response, just before you sink them into some soft, and probably left wing, prey. Well known.
But I struggle to believe anyone could think smiling was left or right wing. I can understand why people think only one side is good or bad, however preposterous that is, but smiling? Come on.
I'm just wary of the idea that someone who 'looks' right - by looks or expression - might in some way be more 'correct' than someone who does not.
I mean, just look at my profile pic!
Unfortunately I think it's very important in politics. Cameron just looked and sounded right in a way that Ed Miliband didn't. Nick Clegg looked right too. And the voice can be important. I think someone on here said that they thought Farage has a good voice.
I agree, but that says more about the observer than the observed. To a certain extent the content matters more than the deliverer or delivery.
(I await PB's multitude of lawyers to laugh. AIUI court cases often hinge on what people look and sound like over what they say - a defendant in jeans who speaks in monosyllables and constantly wipes his nose on his sleeve might come across less well than one in a suit who speaks in a posh accent. Though I'm willing to be corrected on this.).
I'm just wary of the idea that someone who 'looks' right - by looks or expression - might in some way be more 'correct' than someone who does not.
I mean, just look at my profile pic!
Unfortunately I think it's very important in politics. Cameron just looked and sounded right in a way that Ed Miliband didn't. Nick Clegg looked right too. And the voice can be important. I think someone on here said that they thought Farage has a good voice.
I agree, but that says more about the observer than the observed. To a certain extent the content matters more than the deliverer or delivery.
(I await PB's multitude of lawyers to laugh. AIUI court cases often hinge on what people look and sound like over what they say - a defendant in jeans who speaks in monosyllables and constantly wipes his nose on his sleeve might come across less well than one in a suit who speaks in a posh accent. Though I'm willing to be corrected on this.).
Ken Dodd got off his tax evasion charge when the evidence was absolutely open and shut, so your second point kind of falls...
Aside from the cheating, the crass stupidity the Aussies showed in ball tampering in a test ground surrounded by TV and mobile phone cameras is gob smacking.
A lawyer acquaintance of mine claimed that most policemen are thick; but that's fine, as they only need to be more intelligent than the criminals, who are mostly even more thick.
In this case, they're utterly thick. Reputations have been destroyed.
The big question is will anything be found on previous video from other tests.. Its quite possible that there is other evidence. Why would they want to cheat against SA who aren't very good? Why were the Ozzie bowlers able to get the ball to swing violently when our bowlers couldn't get it to do little or nothing.. There are lots of unanswered questions..
They can't be considered. Complaints about ball tampering need to be lodged very quickly - usually by the end of the day's play. All other considerations aside proving an offence after any lapse of time would be hard.
What's really bizarre is how easy it is to change the condition of the ball perfectly legally or at the very least without being noticed - and then they go and do something like this with a hundred cameras on them, at a time when they are so widely loathed people are looking for a reason to trip them up!
'Insanity' just doesn't do it justice...
can't be considered , yes that's true in terms of punishment, but we need to know exactly how long they have been doing it.... some Autralian "victories" need to be erased from the records.... Blank pages in Wisden..
Isn't it rather counter-productive, from your perspective, to argue that as much as 48% of Brits were "EU fanatics" who were voting for a "single country called Europe"?
If you follow what I have said you will see I think the whole claim is rubbish. I am just using Meeks' and Topping's own logic against them to show them how idiotic their claims are.
I do not believe most Remain voters should be tarred as federalists by association just as I do not believe most Leave voters should be tarred as xenophobes by association. But that is the logic of Meeks and Topping.
It's just bollocks, it would mean you could sabotage any political campaign by getting someone sufficiently odious to support it.
Off topic, the thing that annoys me the most about Baroness Shami Chakrabarti is that she never ever bloody smiles, or laughs.
Why?
How do you get through life being that earnest and/or miserable all the time?
Does she think that for “serious” subjects she always has to be serious to get a hearing? Or does she simply have no joy in her soul?
Women are damned as being too flirty or non-serious if they smile too much and for being joyless if they don't.
It has precisely nothing to do with her being a woman.
I have literally never seen her smile once. Ever. I can’t think of a single other woman in public life who’s like that.
I find it such a turn-off my eyes roll now whenever she appears on screen.
Many moons ago, I heard her on Desert Island Discs. I remember two things about it: Firstly, she had the Kaiser Chief's I Predict a Riot. Secondly, she said that she was incapable of spending time alone, and that was what scared her about the island.
For the record, I would not have chose I Predict a Riot and - by and large - I prefer my own company. I also smile from time to time.
Are you allowed a luxury item? Would a computer with a broad connection to PB be acceptable?
I’d bring a poster about Turkey’s accession to the EU.
I would hardly say that I have had two coats and everything handsome about me, yet still I can quote Shakespeare.
I can go one better than that: Mrs J and I quote Shakespeare to each other, with socks:
"Socks! Socks! wherefore art thou socks?’" "Is this a sock I see before me, the cuff towards my ankle?" "Some socks are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust in them." "A sock can die but once." "Socks are the soul of wit." "Off with his socks!" "Shall I compare thee to a sock?" "All that glitters are not socks."
I can’t believe anyone would be seriously concerned about something as trival as not smiling publicly.
John O'Farrell described how in the 1980s at Exeter one of his housemates decided smiling was right wing, so he went everywhere pretending to be utterly miserable.
LOL - some people really are a bit weird. Wonder why anyone would think smiling was something specifically right wing.
Baring teeth is a predatory response, just before you sink them into some soft, and probably left wing, prey. Well known.
But I struggle to believe anyone could think smiling was left or right wing. I can understand why people think only one side is good or bad, however preposterous that is, but smiling? Come on.
Tories must have been pretty happy in the 80s, with Thatcher winning all the time and lefties pretty unhappy as well a result. Maybe he put 2 and 2 together and came up with 5?
The money went to the NHS because that is by far and away the department the voters want most money spent on. Hunt just happens to be Secretary of State for Health so will obviously try and take some of the credit but had he been Secretary of State for Agriculture or Culture still I doubt he would be getting as much money
I see today that 18 months ago you voted for a xenophobic campaign. You have enabled the contamination of British politics in order to pursue a matter of second order importance. Britain will not develop in a positive direction until Leavers confront their own choice and stop hiding behind what they claim to have wanted. What they claim to have wanted was not on offer.
Please stop this... it's getting a bit embarrassing to read now. I bow to nobody in my horror and disappointment at the referendum result but the truth is that both campaigns were terrible. The vast majority of people who voted on both sides were not and are not bad people. If they were then all of us would have to condemn and insult members of our own families and circle of friends in order to be consistent. I see no malice in my loved ones who voted against what I believe to be the national interest and therefore no reason to assume bad intentions in people I don't know either.
Those who voted for a Leave campaign which included those posters implicitly agreed with, and contributed to the direction of the country towards a more xenophobic attitude. They said: yes, this is fine, this is the kind of country I want to be in. They endorsed that xenophobic, hateful campaign and they were prepared to do this because they had some nebulous idea of sovereignty (which we always were, btw).
That I imagine is why Alastair won't let it go, and quite right that he shouldn't, IMO.
Nobody voted for a campaign. It wasn't a BGT show.
It was a decision on whether or not to Remain In or Leave the EU. That was what was on the ballot paper, and that's what people voted on.
Doesn't wash I'm afraid. The single most influential person, the person without whom there would have been no referendum, the person without whom we would still be in the EU (and great credit to him for all of that)...stood in front of one of those posters and thereby endorsed it.
And those who voted Leave agreed with him and effectively said: yes - this is the sort of country we want and we will vote for it.
Presumably any Leave voters who used their postal votes and voted before that poster came out are exempt from your criticism?
Most likely, the majority of voters just weighed up the pros and cons, and voted accordingly.
Aside from the cheating, the crass stupidity the Aussies showed in ball tampering in a test ground surrounded by TV and mobile phone cameras is gob smacking.
A lawyer acquaintance of mine claimed that most policemen are thick; but that's fine, as they only need to be more intelligent than the criminals, who are mostly even more thick.
In this case, they're utterly thick. Reputations have been destroyed.
The big question is will anything be found on previous video from other tests.. Its quite possible that there is other evidence. Why would they want to cheat against SA who aren't very good? Why were the Ozzie bowlers able to get the ball to swing violently when our bowlers couldn't get it to do little or nothing.. There are lots of unanswered questions..
They can't be considered. Complaints about ball tampering need to be lodged very quickly - usually by the end of the day's play. All other considerations aside proving an offence after any lapse of time would be hard.
What's really bizarre is how easy it is to change the condition of the ball perfectly legally or at the very least without being noticed - and then they go and do something like this with a hundred cameras on them, at a time when they are so widely loathed people are looking for a reason to trip them up!
'Insanity' just doesn't do it justice...
can't be considered , yes that's true in terms of punishment, but we need to know exactly how long they have been doing it....
I can tell you exactly how long professional cricketers have been ball tampering.
Ever since there were professional cricketers in...The eighteenth century.
I'm just wary of the idea that someone who 'looks' right - by looks or expression - might in some way be more 'correct' than someone who does not.
I mean, just look at my profile pic!
Unfortunately I think it's very important in politics. Cameron just looked and sounded right in a way that Ed Miliband didn't. Nick Clegg looked right too. And the voice can be important. I think someone on here said that they thought Farage has a good voice.
I agree, but that says more about the observer than the observed. To a certain extent the content matters more than the deliverer or delivery.
(I await PB's multitude of lawyers to laugh. AIUI court cases often hinge on what people look and sound like over what they say - a defendant in jeans who speaks in monosyllables and constantly wipes his nose on his sleeve might come across less well than one in a suit who speaks in a posh accent. Though I'm willing to be corrected on this.).
Ken Dodd got off his tax evasion charge when the evidence was absolutely open and shut, so your second point kind of falls...
Ken Dodd was helped by having the silky smooth George Carman as his QC
I'm just wary of the idea that someone who 'looks' right - by looks or expression - might in some way be more 'correct' than someone who does not.
I mean, just look at my profile pic!
Unfortunately I think it's very important in politics. Cameron just looked and sounded right in a way that Ed Miliband didn't. Nick Clegg looked right too. And the voice can be important. I think someone on here said that they thought Farage has a good voice.
I agree, but that says more about the observer than the observed. To a certain extent the content matters more than the deliverer or delivery.
(I await PB's multitude of lawyers to laugh. AIUI court cases often hinge on what people look and sound like over what they say - a defendant in jeans who speaks in monosyllables and constantly wipes his nose on his sleeve might come across less well than one in a suit who speaks in a posh accent. Though I'm willing to be corrected on this.).
Ken Dodd got off his tax evasion charge when the evidence was absolutely open and shut, so your second point kind of falls...
Isn't it the case that the revenue have a tough time getting convictions because jurors tend to sympathise with the accused?
Boris makes sexist comment to Emily Thornberry in house of parliament.Speaker challenges him.
Is this the Lady Nugee thing? The whole thing came up when May used it last year - particularly with Boris I wouldn't rule out sexism, but it's possible that they know she doesn't like being called that, so they do it simply to annoy her, regardless of sex.
That said it is petty, and she has made clear she doesn't like being called it, so in the Commons they certainly shouldn't.
I would hardly say that I have had two coats and everything handsome about me, yet still I can quote Shakespeare.
I can go one better than that: Mrs J and I quote Shakespeare to each other, with socks:
"Socks! Socks! wherefore art thou socks?’" "Is this a sock I see before me, the cuff towards my ankle?" "Some socks are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust in them." "A sock can die but once." "Socks are the soul of wit." "Off with his socks!" "Shall I compare thee to a sock?" "All that glitters are not socks."
Upon the next occasion, remember who commended thy yellow stockings and wished to see thee cross-gartered.
Boris makes sexist comment to Emily Thornberry in house of parliament.Speaker challenges him.
Yes, I saw that earlier today though I didn’t think it would get a good reaction here so didn’t post it. It was very funny seeing Boris getting told off like that.
I would hardly say that I have had two coats and everything handsome about me, yet still I can quote Shakespeare.
I can go one better than that: Mrs J and I quote Shakespeare to each other, with socks:
"Socks! Socks! wherefore art thou socks?’" "Is this a sock I see before me, the cuff towards my ankle?" "Some socks are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust in them." "A sock can die but once." "Socks are the soul of wit." "Off with his socks!" "Shall I compare thee to a sock?" "All that glitters are not socks."
I like to pretend class in paraphrasing the bible, John 4:8, when telling someone I've gone shopping - 'I've gone into town to buy food".
I'm just wary of the idea that someone who 'looks' right - by looks or expression - might in some way be more 'correct' than someone who does not.
I mean, just look at my profile pic!
Unfortunately I think it's very important in politics. Cameron just looked and sounded right in a way that Ed Miliband didn't. Nick Clegg looked right too. And the voice can be important. I think someone on here said that they thought Farage has a good voice.
I agree, but that says more about the observer than the observed. To a certain extent the content matters more than the deliverer or delivery.
(I await PB's multitude of lawyers to laugh. AIUI court cases often hinge on what people look and sound like over what they say - a defendant in jeans who speaks in monosyllables and constantly wipes his nose on his sleeve might come across less well than one in a suit who speaks in a posh accent. Though I'm willing to be corrected on this.).
Ken Dodd got off his tax evasion charge when the evidence was absolutely open and shut, so your second point kind of falls...
Wasn't it also the fact that he didn't flaunt the crime? He didn't live in a mansion or have a yacht; he was just someone who had come into money and didn't really know how to handle it?
I'm just wary of the idea that someone who 'looks' right - by looks or expression - might in some way be more 'correct' than someone who does not.
I mean, just look at my profile pic!
Unfortunately I think it's very important in politics. Cameron just looked and sounded right in a way that Ed Miliband didn't. Nick Clegg looked right too. And the voice can be important. I think someone on here said that they thought Farage has a good voice.
I agree, but that says more about the observer than the observed. To a certain extent the content matters more than the deliverer or delivery.
(I await PB's multitude of lawyers to laugh. AIUI court cases often hinge on what people look and sound like over what they say - a defendant in jeans who speaks in monosyllables and constantly wipes his nose on his sleeve might come across less well than one in a suit who speaks in a posh accent. Though I'm willing to be corrected on this.).
Ken Dodd got off his tax evasion charge when the evidence was absolutely open and shut, so your second point kind of falls...
Isn't it the case that the revenue have a tough time getting convictions because jurors tend to sympathise with the accused?
It may be. But it has to be said it sounds as though Dodd did rather carve up Brian Leveson:
'One of my problems was my accountant died suddenly.' 'Did that really matter, Mr Dodd?' 'Well, it mattered to him.'
Boris makes sexist comment to Emily Thornberry in house of parliament.Speaker challenges him.
Is this the Lady Nugee thing? The whole thing came up when May used it last year - particularly with Boris I wouldn't rule out sexism, but it's possible that they know she doesn't like being called that, so they do it simply to annoy her, regardless of sex.
That said it is petty, and she has made clear she doesn't like being called it, so in the Commons they certainly shouldn't.
Yes just saw it on channel 4 news.Speaker said it was sexist and MPs were not to be called by their spouses names and he was not having it .Even from such high status persons.
I'm just wary of the idea that someone who 'looks' right - by looks or expression - might in some way be more 'correct' than someone who does not.
I mean, just look at my profile pic!
Unfortunately I think it's very important in politics. Cameron just looked and sounded right in a way that Ed Miliband didn't. Nick Clegg looked right too. And the voice can be important. I think someone on here said that they thought Farage has a good voice.
I agree, but that says more about the observer than the observed. To a certain extent the content matters more than the deliverer or delivery.
(I await PB's multitude of lawyers to laugh. AIUI court cases often hinge on what people look and sound like over what they say - a defendant in jeans who speaks in monosyllables and constantly wipes his nose on his sleeve might come across less well than one in a suit who speaks in a posh accent. Though I'm willing to be corrected on this.).
Ken Dodd got off his tax evasion charge when the evidence was absolutely open and shut, so your second point kind of falls...
Wasn't it also the fact that he didn't flaunt the crime? He didn't live in a mansion or have a yacht; he was just someone who had come into money and didn't really know how to handle it?
I think the main error was to hold the trial in Liverpool, tbh. If they'd held it in say Reading, there wouldn't have been so much local sympathy.
Boris makes sexist comment to Emily Thornberry in house of parliament.Speaker challenges him.
Is this the Lady Nugee thing? The whole thing came up when May used it last year - particularly with Boris I wouldn't rule out sexism, but it's possible that they know she doesn't like being called that, so they do it simply to annoy her, regardless of sex.
That said it is petty, and she has made clear she doesn't like being called it, so in the Commons they certainly shouldn't.
Yes just saw it on channel 4 news.Speaker said it was sexist and MPs were not to be called by their spouses names and he was not having it .Even from such high status persons.
Odd he didn't react so sternly the last time it happened. Perhaps he has had time to reflect on that incident, or the recent stories about him are rather weighing on him
I'm just wary of the idea that someone who 'looks' right - by looks or expression - might in some way be more 'correct' than someone who does not.
I mean, just look at my profile pic!
Unfortunately I think it's very important in politics. Cameron just looked and sounded right in a way that Ed Miliband didn't. Nick Clegg looked right too. And the voice can be important. I think someone on here said that they thought Farage has a good voice.
I agree, but that says more about the observer than the observed. To a certain extent the content matters more than the deliverer or delivery.
(I await PB's multitude of lawyers to laugh. AIUI court cases often hinge on what people look and sound like over what they say - a defendant in jeans who speaks in monosyllables and constantly wipes his nose on his sleeve might come across less well than one in a suit who speaks in a posh accent. Though I'm willing to be corrected on this.).
Beautiful people are more likely to be acquitted, overweight more likely.
Male Jurors More Likely To Find Fat Women Guilty, According to Depressing Study
I'm just wary of the idea that someone who 'looks' right - by looks or expression - might in some way be more 'correct' than someone who does not.
I mean, just look at my profile pic!
Unfortunately I think it's very important in politics. Cameron just looked and sounded right in a way that Ed Miliband didn't. Nick Clegg looked right too. And the voice can be important. I think someone on here said that they thought Farage has a good voice.
I agree, but that says more about the observer than the observed. To a certain extent the content matters more than the deliverer or delivery.
(I await PB's multitude of lawyers to laugh. AIUI court cases often hinge on what people look and sound like over what they say - a defendant in jeans who speaks in monosyllables and constantly wipes his nose on his sleeve might come across less well than one in a suit who speaks in a posh accent. Though I'm willing to be corrected on this.).
Ken Dodd got off his tax evasion charge when the evidence was absolutely open and shut, so your second point kind of falls...
Isn't it the case that the revenue have a tough time getting convictions because jurors tend to sympathise with the accused?
It may be. But it has to be said it sounds as though Dodd did rather carve up Brian Leveson:
'One of my problems was my accountant died suddenly.' 'Did that really matter, Mr Dodd?' 'Well, it mattered to him.'
I rather liked Neil Hamilton's response to George Carman.
"Do you make a habit of refusing to listen to anything you find disagreeable?"
Most likely, the majority of voters just weighed up the pros and cons, and voted accordingly.
I think for some Remainers the idea that we might actually think that leaving the EU is a good idea is harder to believe than us all being dimwits who are swayed by a nasty poster.
Boris makes sexist comment to Emily Thornberry in house of parliament.Speaker challenges him.
Yes, I saw that earlier today though I didn’t think it would get a good reaction here so didn’t post it. It was very funny seeing Boris getting told off like that.
Agreed , also think you would be correct about the reaction.
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Why?
How do you get through life being that earnest and/or miserable all the time?
Does she think that for “serious” subjects she always has to be serious to get a hearing? Or does she simply have no joy in her soul?
https://twitter.com/IsabelHardman/status/978690466752487426
'Because in my profession I must necessarily distrust them. To fight a case on emotional grounds is the surest way to lose it. Cold clear logic and buckets of it should be a lawyer's only weapon.'
The most I would say is she is not especially charismatic, though she has a decent level of presence in front of the camera, having had plenty of practice.
In this case, they're utterly thick. Reputations have been destroyed.
I have literally never seen her smile once. Ever. I can’t think of a single other woman in public life who’s like that.
I find it such a turn-off my eyes roll now whenever she appears on screen.
She is the sort of person who might reasonably have been considered for a peerage (like her or not) but to have it happen under those circumstances means it will always appear as it if might have come with conditions.
She just seems a total mood-hoover to me. I don’t think I could bear to be in the same room as her.
http://www.atlanticspeakerbureau.com/shami-chakrabarti/speaker
http://blogs.essex.ac.uk/vc/files/2017/07/shami-in-robes-and-chair-graduation-2017-200x300.jpg
I need to be careful now, as the following could be misconstrued (or perhaps seen in the manner I meant): the problem might be that it's not a 'nice' smile, and she realises it. That's not her fault. I've known plenty of men with smiles that make them look like wrong 'uns, who are in reality good blokes.
There is enough to damn her on without commenting on expressions.
edit: likewise, I've known people I see as 'ugly' in thought and/or looks whose smiles given them a much better countenance.
Hopefully somebody of unimpeachable integrity would replace him. Langer and Gillespie are the names I'm hearing - either would do nicely.
https://www.andronicas.com/
What's really bizarre is how easy it is to change the condition of the ball perfectly legally or at the very least without being noticed - and then they go and do something like this with a hundred cameras on them, at a time when they are so widely loathed people are looking for a reason to trip them up!
'Insanity' just doesn't do it justice...
Expressions are important. Personally, I find I can’t listen, yet alone connect, with someone who doesn’t show some level of warmth or levity.
There’s always a time to be serious but, in her case, that’s all the time and it does come across as insincere and sanctimonious.
Dark-coloured cat's piss sold at premium prices does not otherwise come into it.
For the record, I would not have chose I Predict a Riot and - by and large - I prefer my own company. I also smile from time to time.
This video really was something else
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vor03-uUeuM
http://www.twitter.com/KP24/status/978692309771579394
https://www.buzzfeed.com/jimwaterson/voters-fancy-nick-clegg-but-want-nigel-farage-to-put-up-thei?utm_term=.jlWKQmMlo#.dh9K6Vorb
How Farage topped that scenario is beyond me.
I mean, just look at my profile pic!
The country is in for a long period of decline.
I have no respect for her, knowing a fair amount about her which I am unable to share publicly.
But I struggle to believe anyone could think smiling was left or right wing. I can understand why people think only one side is good or bad, however preposterous that is, but smiling? Come on.
(I await PB's multitude of lawyers to laugh. AIUI court cases often hinge on what people look and sound like over what they say - a defendant in jeans who speaks in monosyllables and constantly wipes his nose on his sleeve might come across less well than one in a suit who speaks in a posh accent. Though I'm willing to be corrected on this.).
Blank pages in Wisden..
You are really teasing the nosey side of my personality with your final sentence.
"Socks! Socks! wherefore art thou socks?’"
"Is this a sock I see before me, the cuff towards my ankle?"
"Some socks are born great, some achieve greatness, and some have greatness thrust in them."
"A sock can die but once."
"Socks are the soul of wit."
"Off with his socks!"
"Shall I compare thee to a sock?"
"All that glitters are not socks."
Ever since there were professional cricketers in...The eighteenth century.
That said it is petty, and she has made clear she doesn't like being called it, so in the Commons they certainly shouldn't.
'One of my problems was my accountant died suddenly.'
'Did that really matter, Mr Dodd?'
'Well, it mattered to him.'
I would have thought this was more about their best interests, and their might be a case to be made for handing it back in the long run.
Male Jurors More Likely To Find Fat Women Guilty, According to Depressing Study
https://tinyurl.com/GodBlessTheJurySystem
I have a barrister friend who is convinced pretty defendants have it easy
"Do you make a habit of refusing to listen to anything you find disagreeable?"
"No. I'm listening to you."
This will stop us discussing Brexit.
https://twitter.com/TheScotsman/status/978611351806513153
It's just bollocks, it would mean you could sabotage any political campaign by getting someone sufficiently odious to support it.
You mean like the Labour Party and Jeremy Corbyn?
That's good enough for me.