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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,254

    Mr. Eagles, the joy being an insomniac is that you can have chocolate for supper, safe in the knowledge you'll sleep badly with or without the caffeine.

    On the bright side of insomnia - only eight more sleeps to Christmas!
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post

    5-4 Lib Dem Majority Sutton looks enormous to my eyes, it has been held by the yellow peril since 1990. Current split is 45 LD - 9 Tories. Remember people vote differently in locals and nationals..

    I've been allowed £40, 'boosted' to 27-20.

    It's all up presumably
    Yep, but it was all up in 2014 too !
    The Lib Dems have at least stabilised in SW London since then, and can afford to lose up to 18 councillors before the bet fails...
    sorry that was more a question that a point.

    if it had been in thirds...!
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    BBC Headline:

    "Big thaw leaves thousands without water"

    Surely should be:

    "Big thaw leaves thousands without snow"?


    Oh, and of course they've used that imaginative phrase "Big thaw".

    Big thaw leaves thousands with too much of the wrong sort of water, if you think about it. And what else would you expect, when the wrong sort of snow melts?
  • TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 43,108
    edited March 2018
    Betting post:

    We saw Deontay Wilder get past Luis Ortiz, having been rocked in r.7 and then coming back to knock the Cuban out in r.10. Orthodoxy is that Wilder relied on his punching power, aggression and heart, rather than technique, to get past an ageing but better boxer.

    Similarly, the orthodoxy is that we expect AJ to KO anyone who comes up in front of him, including Joseph Parker later this month, relying more on punching power than technique, where he is still learning the latter. But Parker can box, perhaps is more of a natural boxer, can also bang and, as AJ gets bigger and bigger, can use the ring to keep clear of those big shots (he also can take a shot). It is entirely possible that he outmanoeuvres AJ, gets behind his jab, and then finds the perfect shot or shots to stop AJ.

    Now, this is unlikely for Parker to do, but not the current 7.2 against on BF unlikely and I have backed him at that price. (I have also backed the draw as Canelo/Golovkin reminded us that this is how fights can end.)
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,069
    Congrats, Mr. Mark.

    Mr. Mark (2), fair warning: those who use the abominable expression "more sleeps" may find themselves being loaded head first into an enormous cannon.

    Cheers, Mr. Topping.

    Lots of lovely tips today.
  • Jaguar Land Rover suspend production due to water supply problems from Severn Trent Water Authority
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    edited March 2018
    Trevor Baylis, inventor of the wind-up radio, has died at age 80


    https://www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-england-43290756
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546

    Jaguar Land Rover suspend production due to water supply problems from Severn Trent Water Authority

    GDP figures aren’t going to look too clever this quarter.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    HYUFD said:

    Trevor Bayliss, inventor of the wind-up radio, has died

    His later life story was rather sad. He lost control of his IP and didn’t have a huge amount of money.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,069
    Meanwhile, in politically correct idiocy:
    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/970677938462056455
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,213

    Jaguar Land Rover suspend production due to water supply problems from Severn Trent Water Authority

    I was pleasantly surprised by the strong PMI for services today but the lost production over the last week is going to give something of a bump to the growth figures in Q1.
  • RhubarbRhubarb Posts: 359

    Jaguar Land Rover suspend production due to water supply problems from Severn Trent Water Authority

    The Solihull site? Bits of the west side of Birmingham/Solihull have been having water supply problems since Friday.
  • ReggieCideReggieCide Posts: 4,312

    Meanwhile, in politically correct idiocy:
    https://twitter.com/MartinDaubney/status/970677938462056455

    I think it's just idiocy, isn't it
  • tpfkartpfkar Posts: 1,565
    Off-topic but on thread. Have just had an email from YouGov that says it's a survey for all councillors. It's all about fast-food chains and coffee shops: Costa, Starbucks, Subway, KFC, McD, Greggs etc. So there might be some polling news coming up to back up the thread discussion.

    I'm halfway through and already feel like a KFC. Must resist!
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,069
    Mr. Urquhart, that's rather sad.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,213

    Jaguar Land Rover suspend production due to water supply problems from Severn Trent Water Authority

    GDP figures aren’t going to look too clever this quarter.
    Markit are saying 0.4%. That would be an ok start to the year.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    edited March 2018

    HYUFD said:

    Trevor Bayliss, inventor of the wind-up radio, has died

    His later life story was rather sad. He lost control of his IP and didn’t have a huge amount of money.
    Yes he spent a lot of time trying to protect ip rights but his inventions made a difference
  • prh47bridgeprh47bridge Posts: 463
    Scott_P said:

    Sandpit said:

    Four of the top ten (and two of the top three) EU>Non-EU city pairs involve London and the USA, there will be a deal no matter what happens, neither country can afford for there not to be one.

    It doesn't say there will not be a deal.

    It says our deal will be worse than now.

    You won. Suck it up!
    No, it doesn't say that. It says the initial offer by the US is worse than the deal we have now. I suspect that our starting position asks for something better than the deal we have now. Until both sides have agreed we have no idea whether the final deal will be better or worse than the current deal. Indeed, even then it is possible people will disagree as to whether the new deal is better or worse.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    Scott_P said:

    Sandpit said:

    Four of the top ten (and two of the top three) EU>Non-EU city pairs involve London and the USA, there will be a deal no matter what happens, neither country can afford for there not to be one.

    It doesn't say there will not be a deal.

    It says our deal will be worse than now.

    You won. Suck it up!
    No, it doesn't say that. It says the initial offer by the US is worse than the deal we have now. I suspect that our starting position asks for something better than the deal we have now. Until both sides have agreed we have no idea whether the final deal will be better or worse than the current deal. Indeed, even then it is possible people will disagree as to whether the new deal is better or worse.
    And our dreadful government is keeping all the details carefully hidden, just in case we do not like what they are planning for us.
  • HistorianHistorian Posts: 23
    Brexit is not a "Conservative flagship policy".

    Brexit was a decision made by a majority of the British people in a democratic referendum. The Conservative government at the time advocated Remain. The present one is merely implementing the referendum decision. Labour's position -if it can be called a position -is also for Brexit and Labour is led by a lifelong brexiteer.

    I dont think we should read too much into the hammering that the Tories are likely to get in London-especially in a mid term situation. London is also fertile ground for Labour. Even Ed Miliband did well in London.

    Labour will do a lap of honour the next day. But Labour is in a state of hubris. Nemesis comes later....................
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,863
    I searched for the smut and couldn't find it. Does anyone have a direct link?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,287

    Pulpstar said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Betting post

    5-4 Lib Dem Majority Sutton looks enormous to my eyes, it has been held by the yellow peril since 1990. Current split is 45 LD - 9 Tories. Remember people vote differently in locals and nationals..

    I've been allowed £40, 'boosted' to 27-20.

    It's all up presumably
    Yep, but it was all up in 2014 too !
    The Lib Dems have at least stabilised in SW London since then, and can afford to lose up to 18 councillors before the bet fails...
    sorry that was more a question that a point.

    if it had been in thirds...!
    Now suspended at 11/10
  • SandpitSandpit Posts: 55,510
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trevor Bayliss, inventor of the wind-up radio, has died

    His later life story was rather sad. He lost control of his IP and didn’t have a huge amount of money.
    Yes he spent a lot of time trying to protect ip rights but his inventions made a difference
    A huge difference in the third world especially, where a radio gave access to information.

    Another good man gone, RIP.
  • CD13CD13 Posts: 6,367
    Mr Tyson,

    "Linda Macs veggie sausages are great"

    Hmm ... veggie sausage, cooked gently, almost simmered until a deep brown colour, sprinkled with paprika and served piping hot ... before being tipped softly into the nearest rubbish bin.

    If it doesn't stick you ribs together and leave a greasy film around the sink, it's not worth cooking.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    So far all of the so-called 'questions' have been absolutely dire, not asking anything but trying to make mostly silly points. It's not exactly an advert for parliamentary involvement in the negotiations.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    Historian said:

    Brexit is not a "Conservative flagship policy".

    Brexit was a decision made by a majority of the British people in a democratic referendum. The Conservative government at the time advocated Remain. The present one is merely implementing the referendum decision. Labour's position -if it can be called a position -is also for Brexit and Labour is led by a lifelong brexiteer.

    I dont think we should read too much into the hammering that the Tories are likely to get in London-especially in a mid term situation. London is also fertile ground for Labour. Even Ed Miliband did well in London.

    Labour will do a lap of honour the next day. But Labour is in a state of hubris. Nemesis comes later....................

    Given Labour needs around 10 or more net gains to gain any Tory council in London beyond Barnet Corbyn may not end up doing quite the lap of honour expected
  • rcs1000 said:

    I searched for the smut and couldn't find it. Does anyone have a direct link?
    https://www.markreckless.com/

    https://www.markreckless.com/markreckless_OoFl93tb.php
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    edited March 2018
    Sandpit said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trevor Bayliss, inventor of the wind-up radio, has died

    His later life story was rather sad. He lost control of his IP and didn’t have a huge amount of money.
    Yes he spent a lot of time trying to protect ip rights but his inventions made a difference
    A huge difference in the third world especially, where a radio gave access to information.

    Another good man gone, RIP.
    Yes RIP someone who actually did something and deserved his minor celebrity
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,863

    Scott_P said:

    Sandpit said:

    Four of the top ten (and two of the top three) EU>Non-EU city pairs involve London and the USA, there will be a deal no matter what happens, neither country can afford for there not to be one.

    It doesn't say there will not be a deal.

    It says our deal will be worse than now.

    You won. Suck it up!
    No, it doesn't say that. It says the initial offer by the US is worse than the deal we have now. I suspect that our starting position asks for something better than the deal we have now. Until both sides have agreed we have no idea whether the final deal will be better or worse than the current deal. Indeed, even then it is possible people will disagree as to whether the new deal is better or worse.
    The FT article (https://www.ft.com/content/9461157c-1f97-11e8-9efc-0cd3483b8b80 - warning, paywalled) says that the issue is:

    US negotiators offered only a standard bilateral agreement. These typically require airlines to be majority owned and controlled by parties from their country of origin.

    Such limits would be problematic for British carriers as they have large foreign shareholdings


    So, in the case of British Airways, the issue is that it is part of IAG (together with Iberia), and it has a large international shareholding. I would be staggered if even a third of IAG's shareholder base was in the UK.

    Virgin Atlantic is 51% controlled by Virgin Group, and 49% by Delta Airlines. In theory, this should be less problematic, as Virgin Group is British. However, if they dig into the beneficial ownership of Virgin Group, they might conclude it is controlled from various Caribbean tax havens.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    Jaguar Land Rover suspend production due to water supply problems from Severn Trent Water Authority

    Possibly because the Severn Trent Water Authority ceased to exist nearly thirty years ago?
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    " British equities are the worst rated asset class globally amongst big investors, languishing at the bottom of a list of 22 different classes of global assets. A survey of 163 fund managers by Bank of America, reported by the FT, showed UK company shares to be the least popular investment option and most likely to be backed to fall in price. "

    https://www.open-britain.co.uk/mcgovern_bank_of_america_survey_shows_all_is_not_well_with_the_british_economy
  • David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    Pulpstar said:



    In my experience, it is very difficult to find a decent cooked meal in large swathes of the country, unless you want to go very up-market.

    We lack the basic, grandma-cooking option: cheap but excellent. Most pubs just offer a range of fried bleugh.

    Do Miller and Carter steaks pass the Gardenwalker test :o ?
    Never heard of them. Steak is so expensive, I’d you want it done well. For a very cheap option, I’m a fan of Leon. Not sure how far North they go, but I know there’s one at Birmingham New Street.
    Bring back Berni Inns - for a good steak meal.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,863

    Scott_P said:

    Sandpit said:

    Four of the top ten (and two of the top three) EU>Non-EU city pairs involve London and the USA, there will be a deal no matter what happens, neither country can afford for there not to be one.

    It doesn't say there will not be a deal.

    It says our deal will be worse than now.

    You won. Suck it up!
    No, it doesn't say that. It says the initial offer by the US is worse than the deal we have now. I suspect that our starting position asks for something better than the deal we have now. Until both sides have agreed we have no idea whether the final deal will be better or worse than the current deal. Indeed, even then it is possible people will disagree as to whether the new deal is better or worse.
    As an aside, everybody we have to make new arrangements with (whether on travel or trade) is going to use this as an opportunity to get their pound of flesh.

    We need to do a deal now, and therefore we're going to concede on far more points than we would ever normally do. You can see this in Korea, where the government there is pushing back on access to the financial services market that was granted to the EU. (I suspect if we have four or five years to make a deal, then there would be no problem. But we're the supplicant and it shows.)

    This is a classic example of "nations don't have friends, they have interests".
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,863
    calum said:

    " British equities are the worst rated asset class globally amongst big investors, languishing at the bottom of a list of 22 different classes of global assets. A survey of 163 fund managers by Bank of America, reported by the FT, showed UK company shares to be the least popular investment option and most likely to be backed to fall in price. "

    https://www.open-britain.co.uk/mcgovern_bank_of_america_survey_shows_all_is_not_well_with_the_british_economy

    That probably makes them a pretty good investment.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,553
    tyson said:

    I fear in Corbyistan a microwave curry and a can of fizzy pop will be the new fine dining option...of course only one choice of curry, “curry” flavoured...if you are really pushing the boat out, dessert will be a trip to the state owned ice cream shop.

    Having a curry will be banned under Corbyn.

    A white English person having a curry is a form of cultural appropriation by the imperial nation and her people.

    Bangers and mash for you.
    Veggie bangers of course.....
    Linda Macs veggie sausages are great, sliced down the middle, some fried onions, a good dollop of English mustard, a fried egg ontop and a splash of Encona's hot pepper sauce on some lovely soft homemade unbuttered bread/bap...Washed down with a mug of tea....A really scrummy, lovely sandwich....
    She may have broken up the world's greatest group, but she knows how to make a good sausage!

  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    MaxPB said:

    I was suggesting earlier that Brexiters don’t seem overly worried by non-EU immigration. Right on cue,

    https://twitter.com/thomasknox/status/970686706096791553

    I think he may be talking about the US and chain migration.
    If he is, he's talking bollocks. US citizens can only sponsor parents, spouses, children and siblings, and there are long waiting lists for siblings and adult children.
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787
    edited March 2018
    .
  • rpjs said:

    Jaguar Land Rover suspend production due to water supply problems from Severn Trent Water Authority

    Possibly because the Severn Trent Water Authority ceased to exist nearly thirty years ago?
    BBC announced the story on their business section and mentioned Severn Trent but I have no idea which water authority supplies their production line
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,817
    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Sandpit said:

    Four of the top ten (and two of the top three) EU>Non-EU city pairs involve London and the USA, there will be a deal no matter what happens, neither country can afford for there not to be one.

    It doesn't say there will not be a deal.

    It says our deal will be worse than now.

    You won. Suck it up!
    No, it doesn't say that. It says the initial offer by the US is worse than the deal we have now. I suspect that our starting position asks for something better than the deal we have now. Until both sides have agreed we have no idea whether the final deal will be better or worse than the current deal. Indeed, even then it is possible people will disagree as to whether the new deal is better or worse.
    As an aside, everybody we have to make new arrangements with (whether on travel or trade) is going to use this as an opportunity to get their pound of flesh.

    We need to do a deal now, and therefore we're going to concede on far more points than we would ever normally do. You can see this in Korea, where the government there is pushing back on access to the financial services market that was granted to the EU. (I suspect if we have four or five years to make a deal, then there would be no problem. But we're the supplicant and it shows.)

    This is a classic example of "nations don't have friends, they have interests".
    All this to assuage an identity crisis? Is it worth it?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,495

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Sandpit said:

    Four of the top ten (and two of the top three) EU>Non-EU city pairs involve London and the USA, there will be a deal no matter what happens, neither country can afford for there not to be one.

    It doesn't say there will not be a deal.

    It says our deal will be worse than now.

    You won. Suck it up!
    No, it doesn't say that. It says the initial offer by the US is worse than the deal we have now. I suspect that our starting position asks for something better than the deal we have now. Until both sides have agreed we have no idea whether the final deal will be better or worse than the current deal. Indeed, even then it is possible people will disagree as to whether the new deal is better or worse.
    As an aside, everybody we have to make new arrangements with (whether on travel or trade) is going to use this as an opportunity to get their pound of flesh.

    We need to do a deal now, and therefore we're going to concede on far more points than we would ever normally do. You can see this in Korea, where the government there is pushing back on access to the financial services market that was granted to the EU. (I suspect if we have four or five years to make a deal, then there would be no problem. But we're the supplicant and it shows.)

    This is a classic example of "nations don't have friends, they have interests".
    All this to assuage an identity crisis? Is it worth it?
    The Prime Minister doesn’t seem to think so.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,993
    edited March 2018

    I fear in Corbyistan a microwave curry and a can of fizzy pop will be the new fine dining option...of course only one choice of curry, “curry” flavoured...if you are really pushing the boat out, dessert will be a trip to the state owned ice cream shop.

    Having a curry will be banned under Corbyn.

    A white English person having a curry is a form of cultural appropriation by the imperial nation and her people.

    Bangers and mash for you.
    Slightly related, this made me chuckle.

    Doing so, pointed to the gender imbalance, but many watching felt it also discredited the achievements of Guillermo del Toro and Jordan Peele as people of colour.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-43284494

    I do wonder if the writer Ben Sutherland has ever seen del Toro.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,495
    edited March 2018
    A stonking 40% of 31-44 year olds in Italy voted Five Star, a party whose policies include anti-vaccination.

    That is a vote of desperation.

    Edit: Renzi has announced he will resign once a government is formed. Though that may take some time!
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    Mafia supergrass who turned informant after her husband was killed by the Sicilian mob wins a seat in Italian government - despite not being allowed to show her face in public

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5464635/Widow-mafia-victim-elected-Italian-parliament.html
  • rpjsrpjs Posts: 3,787

    rpjs said:

    Jaguar Land Rover suspend production due to water supply problems from Severn Trent Water Authority

    Possibly because the Severn Trent Water Authority ceased to exist nearly thirty years ago?
    BBC announced the story on their business section and mentioned Severn Trent but I have no idea which water authority supplies their production line
    There are no water authorities any more.
  • AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    "London is by far the most unequal region in Britain, with a greater slice of the nation's poorest and richest residents than anywhere else."

    https://news.sky.com/story/revealed-london-is-the-most-unequal-place-in-the-uk-11275891

    In other words, most lower-middle class people have moved out of London.
  • A stonking 40% of 31-44 year olds in Italy voted Five Star, a party whose policies include anti-vaccination.

    That is a vote of desperation.

    Edit: Renzi has announced he will resign once a government is formed. Though that may take some time!

    Brexit, the move across Europe to the hard right and left is the clearest evidence of the out of touch Europe elite and it is only going to end in tears for so many
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    rpjs said:

    rpjs said:

    Jaguar Land Rover suspend production due to water supply problems from Severn Trent Water Authority

    Possibly because the Severn Trent Water Authority ceased to exist nearly thirty years ago?
    BBC announced the story on their business section and mentioned Severn Trent but I have no idea which water authority supplies their production line
    There are no water authorities any more.
    At least for now....
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Sandpit said:

    Four of the top ten (and two of the top three) EU>Non-EU city pairs involve London and the USA, there will be a deal no matter what happens, neither country can afford for there not to be one.

    It doesn't say there will not be a deal.

    It says our deal will be worse than now.

    You won. Suck it up!
    No, it doesn't say that. It says the initial offer by the US is worse than the deal we have now. I suspect that our starting position asks for something better than the deal we have now. Until both sides have agreed we have no idea whether the final deal will be better or worse than the current deal. Indeed, even then it is possible people will disagree as to whether the new deal is better or worse.
    As an aside, everybody we have to make new arrangements with (whether on travel or trade) is going to use this as an opportunity to get their pound of flesh.

    We need to do a deal now, and therefore we're going to concede on far more points than we would ever normally do. You can see this in Korea, where the government there is pushing back on access to the financial services market that was granted to the EU. (I suspect if we have four or five years to make a deal, then there would be no problem. But we're the supplicant and it shows.)

    This is a classic example of "nations don't have friends, they have interests".
    All this to assuage an identity crisis? Is it worth it?
    An identity crisis within the Conservative Party. Obviously not worth it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,135
    PClipp said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Sandpit said:

    Four of the top ten (and two of the top three) EU>Non-EU city pairs involve London and the USA, there will be a deal no matter what happens, neither country can afford for there not to be one.

    It doesn't say there will not be a deal.

    It says our deal will be worse than now.

    You won. Suck it up!
    No, it doesn't say that. It says the initial offer by the US is worse than the deal we have now. I suspect that our starting position asks for something better than the deal we have now. Until both sides have agreed we have no idea whether the final deal will be better or worse than the current deal. Indeed, even then it is possible people will disagree as to whether the new deal is better or worse.
    As an aside, everybody we have to make new arrangements with (whether on travel or trade) is going to use this as an opportunity to get their pound of flesh.

    We need to do a deal now, and therefore we're going to concede on far more points than we would ever normally do. You can see this in Korea, where the government there is pushing back on access to the financial services market that was granted to the EU. (I suspect if we have four or five years to make a deal, then there would be no problem. But we're the supplicant and it shows.)

    This is a classic example of "nations don't have friends, they have interests".
    All this to assuage an identity crisis? Is it worth it?
    An identity crisis within the Conservative Party. Obviously not worth it.
    It clearly extends further than that, 52% voted to leave.
  • PClipp said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Sandpit said:

    Four of the top ten (and two of the top three) EU>Non-EU city pairs involve London and the USA, there will be a deal no matter what happens, neither country can afford for there not to be one.

    It doesn't say there will not be a deal.

    It says our deal will be worse than now.

    You won. Suck it up!
    No, it doesn't say that. It says the initial offer by the US is worse than the deal we have now. I suspect that our starting position asks for something better than the deal we have now. Until both sides have agreed we have no idea whether the final deal will be better or worse than the current deal. Indeed, even then it is possible people will disagree as to whether the new deal is better or worse.
    As an aside, everybody we have to make new arrangements with (whether on travel or trade) is going to use this as an opportunity to get their pound of flesh.

    We need to do a deal now, and therefore we're going to concede on far more points than we would ever normally do. You can see this in Korea, where the government there is pushing back on access to the financial services market that was granted to the EU. (I suspect if we have four or five years to make a deal, then there would be no problem. But we're the supplicant and it shows.)

    This is a classic example of "nations don't have friends, they have interests".
    All this to assuage an identity crisis? Is it worth it?
    An identity crisis within the Conservative Party. Obviously not worth it.
    Remainer talking to remainer again. The 17 million plus votes to leave were not from the conservative party
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Yes, Ed Miliband bears a heavy responsibility for the worsening of the Syria humanitarian crisis.

    And when he was a minister, he was quite incompetent. I hadn't realised until recently was a screw-up his electricity smart meters scheme - which we're all paying for, and which was forced on the electricity companies against their will - was. He somehow managed to force through a scheme whereby the meters installed are readable only by the current electricity supplier. If you change supplier, you go back to manual reading. And if you then change back to the original supplier, they can no longer read their own meter! It's like a modern Tanganyika groundnut scheme in its full-on wastefulness.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,069
    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.
  • Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,495
    Yes, we simultaneously overestimate and underestimate our influence in global affairs.

    I remember that vote too. Obama was wavering, and Miliband gave him the excuse he needed. Probably Miliband’s biggest “achievement”, along with changing the membership rules of the Labour Party to allow in Corbyn.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    Never mind Brexit, this is far more serious. Cadbury's have stopped production at Bournville owing to water supply problems.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546

    Never mind Brexit, this is far more serious. Cadbury's have stopped production at Bournville owing to water supply problems.

    Overtime shifts in the factory in Poland it is then...
  • William_HWilliam_H Posts: 346
    You think we'd have been better off fighting both sides in Syria?
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,383
    edited March 2018

    A stonking 40% of 31-44 year olds in Italy voted Five Star, a party whose policies include anti-vaccination.

    That is a vote of desperation.

    Edit: Renzi has announced he will resign once a government is formed. Though that may take some time!

    A lot of mention of how bad the vote was for the centre-left PD, which is true. But how much moreso for Forza and the centre right, reduced below 15%. Though Lega and Forza have typically been part of the same grouping over the years, it is arguable that the centre right block is much less coherent than the centre-left block, Berlusconi has not been shy of strange bedfellows politically, meaning centre left parties out polled centre right by around 24-14.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,069
    Mr. Eagles, technically, Willetts' idea is damned stupid because it's the opposite of his stated aim.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546
    So not as first reported anything to do with synthetic Chinese produced opioid that junkies are OD'ing on.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,495
    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
  • So not as first reported anything to do with synthetic Chinese produced opioid that junkies are OD'ing on.
    Tommy Robinson is also very disappointed.
  • PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    PClipp said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Scott_P said:

    Sandpit said:

    Four of the top ten (and two of the top three) EU>Non-EU city pairs involve London and the USA, there will be a deal no matter what happens, neither country can afford for there not to be one.

    It doesn't say there will not be a deal.
    It says our deal will be worse than now.
    You won. Suck it up!
    No, it doesn't say that. It says the initial offer by the US is worse than the deal we have now. I suspect that our starting position asks for something better than the deal we have now. Until both sides have agreed we have no idea whether the final deal will be better or worse than the current deal. Indeed, even then it is possible people will disagree as to whether the new deal is better or worse.
    As an aside, everybody we have to make new arrangements with (whether on travel or trade) is going to use this as an opportunity to get their pound of flesh.

    We need to do a deal now, and therefore we're going to concede on far more points than we would ever normally do. You can see this in Korea, where the government there is pushing back on access to the financial services market that was granted to the EU. (I suspect if we have four or five years to make a deal, then there would be no problem. But we're the supplicant and it shows.)

    This is a classic example of "nations don't have friends, they have interests".
    All this to assuage an identity crisis? Is it worth it?
    An identity crisis within the Conservative Party. Obviously not worth it.
    Remainer talking to remainer again. The 17 million plus votes to leave were not from the conservative party
    Of course not, Mr Wales. You are quite right, not from the Conservative Party at all. Most of them, in my opinion, were cast against the Conservative Party, its effete and useless leadership (Cameron and Osborne) and the whole gang of international multi-millionaires and oligarchs. There votes were then hijacked by the aforementioned toffs etc to do down Britain and flog us off to the Americans, French, Chinese etc. This is a work still in progress.

    No wonder Mrs May is confused.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Yup, my parents will be very upset.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546

    So not as first reported anything to do with synthetic Chinese produced opioid that junkies are OD'ing on.
    Tommy Robinson is also very disappointed.
    Why what did he think it was?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    Rich oldies need to start coughing up.
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,723

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    No we don't need more revenue. We need to cut our spending. The State already takes far too much of our money.
  • Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    Rich oldies need to start coughing up.
    What level do you consider oldies to be rich
  • AnorakAnorak Posts: 6,621
    One of the most shameful acts of calculated duplicity for short-term advantage I can remember. And they revile Blair for having blood on his hands...
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,213
    rcs1000 said:

    calum said:

    " British equities are the worst rated asset class globally amongst big investors, languishing at the bottom of a list of 22 different classes of global assets. A survey of 163 fund managers by Bank of America, reported by the FT, showed UK company shares to be the least popular investment option and most likely to be backed to fall in price. "

    https://www.open-britain.co.uk/mcgovern_bank_of_america_survey_shows_all_is_not_well_with_the_british_economy

    That probably makes them a pretty good investment.
    Yep, as clear a buy signal as you are ever going to see. No wonder the FTSE was up again today.
  • So not as first reported anything to do with synthetic Chinese produced opioid that junkies are OD'ing on.
    Tommy Robinson is also very disappointed.
    Why what did he think it was?
    His supporters think it was Muslims moving up to chemical weapons.

    I had to misfortune to click on a Sky News tweet about that explosion in Leicester, christ it was a sewer.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,617

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    Rich oldies need to start coughing up.
    Oh Lord give us houses and taxes, just not on or near me.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    Rich oldies need to start coughing up.
    What level do you consider oldies to be rich
    The level that brings in the appropriate level of revenues.

    Pensioners are wealthier than average, yet one pound in seven spent by the government is spent on a state pension. It's a completely indefensible level of intergenerational subsidy.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,495

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    Rich oldies need to start coughing up.
    End the triple lock.
    Raise the retirement age.
    Make them pay NI.
    Increase inheritance tax.
    And implement a very modest property tax to replace council tax.

    Or beggar the grandkids.
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584
    edited March 2018

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.

    Your home is not 'wealth' it is a place to live.

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,546

    So not as first reported anything to do with synthetic Chinese produced opioid that junkies are OD'ing on.
    Tommy Robinson is also very disappointed.
    Why what did he think it was?
    His supporters think it was Muslims moving up to chemical weapons.

    I had to misfortune to click on a Sky News tweet about that explosion in Leicester, christ it was a sewer.
    The shop explosion in Leicester is a funny old case. Obviously criminal stuff going on now, so careful what is said, but all rather odd.
  • Anorak said:

    One of the most shameful acts of calculated duplicity for short-term advantage I can remember. And they revile Blair for having blood on his hands...
    He stabbed his brother in the back, he stabbed the people of Syria in the back, Dave and Sir Micky Fallon were right that Ed would betray his country.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,495

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.

    Your home is not a 'wealth' it is a place to live.

    So naive.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    No we don't need more revenue. We need to cut our spending. The State already takes far too much of our money.
    Had Osborne remained Chancellor his target was for spending to fall to 35% of GDP, the same as the tax take and to the same level as the last years of the Thatcher government and the first years of the Blair government.

    However Brexit and Corbyn put paid to that
  • Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    Rich oldies need to start coughing up.
    What level do you consider oldies to be rich
    The level that brings in the appropriate level of revenues.

    Pensioners are wealthier than average, yet one pound in seven spent by the government is spent on a state pension. It's a completely indefensible level of intergenerational subsidy.
    And pensioners have paid tax all their lives and continue to do so beyond retirement.

    How much is the appropriate level of revenue you want from oldies
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,723

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    Rich oldies need to start coughing up.
    What level do you consider oldies to be rich
    The level that brings in the appropriate level of revenues.

    Pensioners are wealthier than average, yet one pound in seven spent by the government is spent on a state pension. It's a completely indefensible level of intergenerational subsidy.
    Actually I don't disagree with adjusting taxation to take more from the wealthy elderly. But it should be tied to a massive reduction in spending. We can get rid of all the extra benefits the wealthy elderly get for a start.

  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 39,317

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    Tax old people's income, make them pay NI, it will raise more than enough to fill the NHS funding gap.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Yes increasing inheritance tax is political suicide and will still end up being paid by the younger generation.

    His proposal to have more top rate bands for council tax assessment were much more sensible
  • Richard_TyndallRichard_Tyndall Posts: 32,723

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    Rich oldies need to start coughing up.
    End the triple lock.
    Raise the retirement age.
    Make them pay NI.
    Increase inheritance tax.
    And implement a very modest property tax to replace council tax.

    Or beggar the grandkids.
    End the triple lock. - Agreed

    Raise the retirement age. - Very much agreed

    Make them pay NI. - Very much agreed

    Increase inheritance tax. - Absolutely not. That is a tax on the young not the old.

    And implement a very modest property tax to replace council tax. - You mean like Rates? There was a reason we got rid of those last time.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    I think there is scope to raise the tax take from income, BUT (and it's a big but) only if the currently ludicrously high marginal rates at various points in the income curve are sorted out first. For example, we currently have a 62% marginal tax rate on income from £100K to £120K on earned income, plus an additional 13.8% employer's NI. That means that the total marginal rate is 67%. There's no way you can get extra revenue by bumping that up, you have to reduce it to something vaguely sane To add insult to injury, unearned income is taxed at a much lower rate. It's all completely barmy, which strongly suggests that a more sensible system could raise more whilst reducing damaging distortion to rational economic decisions.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,993
    If the man involved has any links to Steele the shit is really going to hit the fan.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,602
    Pro_Rata said:

    A stonking 40% of 31-44 year olds in Italy voted Five Star, a party whose policies include anti-vaccination.

    That is a vote of desperation.

    Edit: Renzi has announced he will resign once a government is formed. Though that may take some time!

    A lot of mention of how bad the vote was for the centre-left PD, which is true. But how much moreso for Forza and the centre right, reduced below 15%. Though Lega and Forza have typically been part of the same grouping over the years, it is arguable that the centre right block is much less coherent than the centre-left block, Berlusconi has not been shy of strange bedfellows politically, meaning centre left parties out polled centre right by around 24-14.
    Lega are populist right and Forza Italia are establishment right, it is like an alliance between UKIP and Boris led Tories
  • Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 5,383
    Is there any possibility of Theresa May having another fit of boldness after March 29th and at the first subsequent sign of trouble taking the back me or sack me option? (Yes, I know she cannot call a leadership contest herself, but she can surely t rigger the necessary letter writing). The reason being the one year she gets it she wins, even narrowly, will take her through Brexit, and she will only have to worry about the parliamentary mathematics rather than the Tory mathematics, unless, unless, the Brexiteers go for the nuclear option.

    The other upside is that the Tory process is rapid, so only a minimal amount of campaigning to do.
  • MaxPB said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.
    Tax old people's income, make them pay NI, it will raise more than enough to fill the NHS funding gap.
    As a pensioner I pay tax on my pension income but of course not working I do not pay NI.

    I fully support working pensioners paying NI and the council tax system needs a lot more higher level bands
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,863
    AndyJS said:

    "London is by far the most unequal region in Britain, with a greater slice of the nation's poorest and richest residents than anywhere else."

    https://news.sky.com/story/revealed-london-is-the-most-unequal-place-in-the-uk-11275891

    In other words, most lower-middle class people have moved out of London.

    While that may be true, that doesn't logically follow from the premise.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,495

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    him.
    Except we need revenue, and the only place left to go is wealth. If the Tory’s don’t think the unthinkable, Labour will.

    Your home is not a 'wealth' it is a place to live.

    So naive.

    Pulpstar said:

    Regardless of whether you approve of higher income tax, or higher inheritance tax, Willetts' utterances have no reason at all:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-43292377

    He effectively says we either tax baby boomers (his preference) or younger generations pay more. Except he then suggests increasing inheritance tax. That won't be paid by baby boomers, as they'll be dead. It'll be paid by their children. The people Willetts says shouldn't pay more. Oaf.

    Technically it is the estate of the baby boomers who pay the tax.

    I think he's drawing the distinction between a one off tax which is what an inheritance tax is versus a regular recurring tax which is what income tax/NI is.
    Good old two brains. One of the major attractions of voting Tory is that you get to keep/pass down your family assets in case anyone forgot to tell him.
    Rich oldies need to start coughing up.
    End the triple lock.
    Raise the retirement age.
    Make them pay NI.
    Increase inheritance tax.
    And implement a very modest property tax to replace council tax.

    Or beggar the grandkids.
    Inheritance tax is not a tax on the “young”, it is a tax on those who inherit. These days they tend to be middle aged, and the (unearned) money simply perpetuates the gap between haves and have nots.

    In an ideal world, I would tax it at the same rate as income tax. But as that’s not politically possible, I would look at ways of clamping down on avoidance.

    As for rates, we have them in NZ and they work fine. I’m not sure what the problem was/is. No sane person can defend the hugely regressive council tax system.
  • Pro_Rata said:

    Is there any possibility of Theresa May having another fit of boldness after March 29th and at the first subsequent sign of trouble taking the back me or sack me option? (Yes, I know she cannot call a leadership contest herself, but she can surely t rigger the necessary letter writing). The reason being the one year she gets it she wins, even narrowly, will take her through Brexit, and she will only have to worry about the parliamentary mathematics rather than the Tory mathematics, unless, unless, the Brexiteers go for the nuclear option.

    The other upside is that the Tory process is rapid, so only a minimal amount of campaigning to do.

    No need - TM is taking the Country through Brexit and right now has a pretty united party.

    Furthermore, the process is not rapid as candidates would have to go through hustings before narrowing down to the two who then have to go through the membership vote

    It is not going to happen
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,863
    There should be no tax on estates.

    Inheritance is simply income, and should be taxed accordingly.
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