It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
And it remains shocking that none of the leading Leavers were forced to spell out how they intended to resolve problems like this before the vote.
shocking perhaps
but maybe you should have held their feet to the fire instead of tweeting endlessly about a bus
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
I am sure most people would. So, let's see the proposals for how it would work, a timeframe for putting it in place and how it will be paid for. At this stage, that's all the UK government needs to do.
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
I am sure most people would. So, let's see the proposals for how it would work, a timeframe for putting it in place and how it will be paid for. At this stage, that's all the UK government needs to do.
The problem is that the Irish have already stated that they will not accept this, because there won't be absolute harmonisation between Ni and RoI. It can be made to work (though some of it requires a degree of honesty by traders in customs declaration). But RoI has stated that it won't accept moving on without a guarantee that all regs will remain static in NI, and I suspect that also means tariffs.
I do not see anything untoward about this story. The DUP is a fully paid up subsidiary of the Conservative Party. So what Damian Green was up to makes perfect sense.
It's just a matter of fact that the claims made by the likes of Johnson, Fox and Davis about Brexit have turned out to be almost entirely wrong. It is not unreasonable for the Irish to factor that into their positioning.
I still don't see how cutting off your nose to spite Johnson, Fox and Davies is in anyone's interest. The only people who can win from that are Johnson, Fox and Davies, who can turn round and say "See, we told you. The EU in a nutshell. No interest in finding solutions...."
The Irish border needs creative thinking for a positive resolution. It's the Irish that have closed that down. Let's hope wiser counsel prevails and they return to the task, now out of the glare of the spotlight.
The UK caused the problem, the Irish are waiting for the UK to come up with at least the framework for a solution.
What Johnson, Fox and Davis actually told us was that the EU would be desperate for a deal and that the UK held all the cards.
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
I am sure most people would. So, let's see the proposals for how it would work, a timeframe for putting it in place and how it will be paid for. At this stage, that's all the UK government needs to do.
if you bother reading they had started until Varadkar decided to be a macho man
and as you are well aware you cant finalise the detail until you know what the framework agreement is first
Oh God, Hoey now pushing the 'wouldn't be surprised if ROI wants to join the Yookay in leaving the EU' line, though the customary Brexiteer red mist seemed to have descended by then.
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
I am sure most people would. So, let's see the proposals for how it would work, a timeframe for putting it in place and how it will be paid for. At this stage, that's all the UK government needs to do.
The problem is that the Irish have already stated that they will not accept this, because there won't be absolute harmonisation between Ni and RoI. It can be made to work (though some of it requires a degree of honesty by traders in customs declaration). But RoI has stated that it won't accept moving on without a guarantee that all regs will remain static in NI, and I suspect that also means tariffs.
None of that prevents the UK from laying out plans. If we come up with something that looks feasible there will be political pressure on the Irish government - internally and among the rest of the EU27 - to compromise.
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
I am sure most people would. So, let's see the proposals for how it would work, a timeframe for putting it in place and how it will be paid for. At this stage, that's all the UK government needs to do.
The problem is that the Irish have already stated that they will not accept this, because there won't be absolute harmonisation between Ni and RoI. It can be made to work (though some of it requires a degree of honesty by traders in customs declaration). But RoI has stated that it won't accept moving on without a guarantee that all regs will remain static in NI, and I suspect that also means tariffs.
Simple solution: NI stays in the Customs Union. After all, they voted to stay in. Why can't they be like the Isle of Man [ not in the sense of a tax dodging entity ] ? After all, IoM is British too!
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
I am sure most people would. So, let's see the proposals for how it would work, a timeframe for putting it in place and how it will be paid for. At this stage, that's all the UK government needs to do.
if you bother reading they had started until Varadkar decided to be a macho man
and as you are well aware you cant finalise the detail until you know what the framework agreement is first
We know we are heading to a Canada style agreement. We can easily develop something around that scenario. The reality is that the UK has not even begun to make any preparations or to develop any kind of plan. As the head of HMRC made clear last week.
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
I am sure most people would. So, let's see the proposals for how it would work, a timeframe for putting it in place and how it will be paid for. At this stage, that's all the UK government needs to do.
The problem is that the Irish have already stated that they will not accept this, because there won't be absolute harmonisation between Ni and RoI. It can be made to work (though some of it requires a degree of honesty by traders in customs declaration). But RoI has stated that it won't accept moving on without a guarantee that all regs will remain static in NI, and I suspect that also means tariffs.
None of that prevents the UK from laying out plans. If we come up with something that looks feasible there will be political pressure on the Irish government - internally and among the rest of the EU27 - to compromise.
Yes, that's the only real course of action open to us.
None of that can be right. FF43 assured us a couple of days ago that there were no good news stories in Brexit Britain.
I don't revel in bad news to prove a point. It's an unappealing trait. A pharmaceutical company makes an investment they would have made anyway. a second cancels their investment because of Brexit. I am happy about the first and regret the second.
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
Great idea ! Why not the same at all our seaports and airports ?
err that's what youre going to be getting no matter what
I mean if it is such a good idea , why not for ALL of seaports and airports ?
Actually, that's exactly what is happening in bulk customs clearance. Electronic pre notification under TIR carnet system allows for speeding up of customs processes. It's not a novel idea, it's already in use.
Oh God, Hoey now pushing the 'wouldn't be surprised if ROI wants to join the Yookay in leaving the EU' line, though the customary Brexiteer red mist seemed to have descended by then.
I do not see anything untoward about this story. The DUP is a fully paid up subsidiary of the Conservative Party. So what Damian Green was up to makes perfect sense.
In a way, yes.
The story is relevant because of the big story which has been playing out since the 2014 kipper revolt.
The conservative coalition of interests across the UK cannot hold together. The ideological/geographical/generational/economic contradictions are greater than ever.
Oh God, Hoey now pushing the 'wouldn't be surprised if ROI wants to join the Yookay in leaving the EU' line, though the customary Brexiteer red mist seemed to have descended by then.
She's committed the Hoey world view to paper (or at least pixels) for all the world to see. One could see why the person who happily campaigned alongside Farage would see claiming to have higher standards or more noble beliefs as a pernicious trait.
Who says we want a soft Brexit? Or a hard one? The voters said we want a Brexit. The kind of Brexit wasn't specified. The Government agreed to do what the voters said. So any kind of Brexit qualifies. What's to complain about?
And if we didn't want borders - proper ones where people can be stopped and turned back - why did we vote for Brexit? Proper borders, properly controlled by ourselves as a sovereign and independent state, is surely the essence of Brexit. So surely we have to restore a hard border at our borders, which obviously means in Ireland, as in Gibraltar and other points of contact with the rest of the world.
What's the problem? Spot on the Brits love a day trip to Gib sitting on the bus waiting to show their passport twice.Then again on the way back .All worth the hassle for 200 cheap cigs.
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It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
Great idea ! Why not the same at all our seaports and airports ?
err that's what youre going to be getting no matter what
I mean if it is such a good idea , why not for ALL of seaports and airports ?
Actually, that's exactly what is happening in bulk customs clearance. Electronic pre notification under TIR carnet system allows for speeding up of customs processes. It's not a novel idea, it's already in use.
Except we are in a Single Market remember. No tariffs, as a result. It will become a smugglers paradise. Maybe, that's what we have to do to maintain our living standards.
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Mr. Surbiton, do you think the parts of Scotland that voted for independence should've formed their own nation-state?
Do you think Scotland should remain in the EU?
Do you think constituencies that voted for Labour MPs should have their own separate Labour Government?
One at a time. First, NI should remain in the Customs Union. That solves a problem.
Then , Scotland [ after all we were first told of this possibility from the legal opinion given by the Scotland Advocate General ].
Then, of course, London before we declare ourselves independent and charge England for using our assets.
That would only make sense if NI did more trade with RoI than it does with Mainland UK. That, as I understand it, is not the case by some significant margin.
I’m quite aware that English is not the national language of Romania and Poland thank you. But English is easily the most popular 2nd language in these counties, especially amongst the under 40s. If you are looking to move abroad for work you are likely to choose somewhere where you speak the language.
I just don’t think these transitional controls would have had anywhere near the effect you think they would have - at best they would have delayed the “problem” of the surge in immigration to 2011 instead of 2004. It would still have been presented as an issue in the referendum.
The whole point of transition controls is they control who you let into the country regardless of the demand from Eastern European countries rather than the free movement free for all Blair effectively allowed in 2004.
You are wrong, the lack of transition controls on Eastern European migration from 2004 was the key reason Leave got over 50%, with them Leave would have been closer to 40 than 50% if their had been as much demand for an EU referendum at all.
There would have been no surge in 2011 as there was not in Germany as Eastern European nations would have been in the EU for 7 years already and their migration patterns established and controlled.
As I keep pointing out, your use of Germany as a comparator is specious. Completely different lanagauge, culture and - most importantly of all - economy.
Germany is the biggest economy in Europe we are second biggest, none of which in any way affects the key point we should have imposed transition controls as Germany did in 2004 on migration from the new accession countries
The mix of the German economy is completely different compared to ours, and that is the key point. Germany has a much bigger manufacturing sector and much smaller financial services compared to us, to give but 2 examples.
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
Great idea ! Why not the same at all our seaports and airports ?
err that's what youre going to be getting no matter what
I mean if it is such a good idea , why not for ALL of seaports and airports ?
Actually, that's exactly what is happening in bulk customs clearance. Electronic pre notification under TIR carnet system allows for speeding up of customs processes. It's not a novel idea, it's already in use.
Except we are in a Single Market remember. No tariffs, as a result. It will become a smugglers paradise. Maybe, that's what we have to do to maintain our living standards.
ROFL
you think there isn't ALREADY lots of smuggling along the Irish border ?
It was working on solutions with the Irish - but Varadkar cancelled it......
He's taking back control and putting borders ahead of economics, who does he think he is? Michael Gove?
it's certainly novel
for the best part of the last 100 years the Irish govt has sought to get rid of the border
Vote DUP, vote Varadkar
The border has gone to all intents and purposes. Brexit reintroduces it.
usual view of the Brexit prism
it's Varadkar insisting the border goes back
as Ive said before stirring up the Nordies is a really stupid idea
So, how do you avoid a border when the UK is leaving the Customs Union and Single Market? Just saying there will not be one really doesn't cut the mustard. You have to explain how.
you do what was suggested
an electronic border for goods and a migration border between Ireland and Britain
Great idea ! Why not the same at all our seaports and airports ?
err that's what youre going to be getting no matter what
I mean if it is such a good idea , why not for ALL of seaports and airports ?
Actually, that's exactly what is happening in bulk customs clearance. Electronic pre notification under TIR carnet system allows for speeding up of customs processes. It's not a novel idea, it's already in use.
Except we are in a Single Market remember. No tariffs, as a result. It will become a smugglers paradise. Maybe, that's what we have to do to maintain our living standards.
I'm not referring specifically to the EU here -this is a totally international effort to remove customs delays.
Mr. Surbiton, do you think the parts of Scotland that voted for independence should've formed their own nation-state?
Do you think Scotland should remain in the EU?
Do you think constituencies that voted for Labour MPs should have their own separate Labour Government?
One at a time. First, NI should remain in the Customs Union. That solves a problem.
Then , Scotland [ after all we were first told of this possibility from the legal opinion given by the Scotland Advocate General ].
Then, of course, London before we declare ourselves independent and charge England for using our assets.
That would only make sense if NI did more trade with RoI than it does with Mainland UK. That, as I understand it, is not the case by some significant margin.
The UK does more trade with the EU than any other entity. Therefore, we should remain in the Single Market and the Customs Union, by your logic.
Oh God, Hoey now pushing the 'wouldn't be surprised if ROI wants to join the Yookay in leaving the EU' line, though the customary Brexiteer red mist seemed to have descended by then.
Mr. Surbiton, do you think the parts of Scotland that voted for independence should've formed their own nation-state?
Do you think Scotland should remain in the EU?
Do you think constituencies that voted for Labour MPs should have their own separate Labour Government?
One at a time. First, NI should remain in the Customs Union. That solves a problem.
Then , Scotland [ after all we were first told of this possibility from the legal opinion given by the Scotland Advocate General ].
Then, of course, London before we declare ourselves independent and charge England for using our assets.
That would only make sense if NI did more trade with RoI than it does with Mainland UK. That, as I understand it, is not the case by some significant margin.
The UK does more trade with the EU than any other entity. Therefore, we should remain in the Single Market and the Customs Union, by your logic.
Not the customs union, because that is actually a bar to free trade. The single market was what I campaigned for, but in reality that isn't entirely essential because the SM has to conform to a great many rules which are international in scope. So you could agree conformity with global bodies and still have fairly frictionless trade, while dumping much of the red tape that applies purely domestically and at one size fits all levels across the union, while not really fitting at all.
Just catching up. I read below that I am wrong stating that there are restrictions on Freedom of Movement. According to EU law:
'Directive 2004/38/EC introduces EU citizenship as the basic status for nationals of the Member States when they exercise their right to move and reside freely on EU territory. For the first three months, every EU citizen has the right to reside on the territory of another EU country with no conditions or formalities other than the requirement to hold a valid identity card or passport. For longer periods, the host Member State may require a citizen to register his or her presence within a reasonable and non-discriminatory period of time.
Migrant workers’ right to reside for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions, which vary depending on the citizen’s status: for EU citizens who are not workers or self-employed, the right of residence depends on their having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the host Member State’s social assistance system, and having sickness insurance. EU citizens acquire the right of permanent residence in the host Member State after a period of five years of uninterrupted legal residence.'
If you are a burden on the state after 3 months, you can be removed. Belgium does. Its legal to do so. We could do it too. Perhaps instead of dismissing this option HYUFD et al might read the treaties and understand the facts...?
Oh God, Hoey now pushing the 'wouldn't be surprised if ROI wants to join the Yookay in leaving the EU' line, though the customary Brexiteer red mist seemed to have descended by then.
There have been several posts over the past 18 months making the point that Brexit is off the scale when it comes to complexity. One reason is the number of parties with a critical interest, many with conflicting and changing agenda.
The actions of the Irish government are just one example how a complex change can suddenly incur unforeseen complication. So far, the EU more or less speaking with one voice and keeping their discipline over objectives and process has been a simplifying factor; arguably, the primary factor behind progress being made.
If other members of the EU start to peel off and impose their own agenda, it’s going to get a lot harder.
The second son usually gets York but that's taken for now, assuming no-one bumps Andrew off in the next few months, so assuming he gets a titles (which he probably will as otherwise she'd become Princess Henry, which makes her sound like a steam engine), it'll have to set some kind of precedent.
As a professional soldier, Cumberland is free. (ha). If they're going to stick with traditional names, Sussex seems to me to be the only one that's both available and free of historic difficulties.
An unfortunate casualty in the chaos of Irish politics.If an early election is called it means the medical cannabis bill and possibly even the compassionate access scheme will be no more. The processes would need to start again with a new government and its new committees.As the POTUS says.Sad.
The second son usually gets York but that's taken for now, assuming no-one bumps Andrew off in the next few months, so assuming he gets a titles (which he probably will as otherwise she'd become Princess Henry, which makes her sound like a steam engine), it'll have to set some kind of precedent.
As a professional soldier, Cumberland is free. (ha). If they're going to stick with traditional names, Sussex seems to me to be the only one that's both available and free of historic difficulties.
The second son usually gets York but that's taken for now, assuming no-one bumps Andrew off in the next few months, so assuming he gets a titles (which he probably will as otherwise she'd become Princess Henry, which makes her sound like a steam engine), it'll have to set some kind of precedent.
As a professional soldier, Cumberland is free. (ha). If they're going to stick with traditional names, Sussex seems to me to be the only one that's both available and free of historic difficulties.
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Mr. Herdson, wasn't Cambridge reviving an old one that had personal significance? Maybe Harry will go the same route.
Cambridge has been used before for a next-but-one heir in direct line, so there was precedent there. I think it was the future George I under Queen Anne?
Just catching up. I read below that I am wrong stating that there are restrictions on Freedom of Movement. According to EU law:
'Directive 2004/38/EC introduces EU citizenship as the basic status for nationals of the Member States when they exercise their right to move and reside freely on EU territory. For the first three months, every EU citizen has the right to reside on the territory of another EU country with no conditions or formalities other than the requirement to hold a valid identity card or passport. For longer periods, the host Member State may require a citizen to register his or her presence within a reasonable and non-discriminatory period of time.
Migrant workers’ right to reside for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions, which vary depending on the citizen’s status: for EU citizens who are not workers or self-employed, the right of residence depends on their having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the host Member State’s social assistance system, and having sickness insurance. EU citizens acquire the right of permanent residence in the host Member State after a period of five years of uninterrupted legal residence.'
If you are a burden on the state after 3 months, you can be removed. Belgium does. Its legal to do so. We could do it too. Perhaps instead of dismissing this option HYUFD et al might read the treaties and understand the facts...?
The second son usually gets York but that's taken for now, assuming no-one bumps Andrew off in the next few months, so assuming he gets a titles (which he probably will as otherwise she'd become Princess Henry, which makes her sound like a steam engine), it'll have to set some kind of precedent.
As a professional soldier, Cumberland is free. (ha). If they're going to stick with traditional names, Sussex seems to me to be the only one that's both available and free of historic difficulties.
The Duke and Duchess of Sheffield.
Duke of Sandurst. Or Hereford?
Nah, Sheffield and Cambridge are the finest cities in the UK, nay, the world.
They are a byword for excellence, particularly in the field of education.
Not making Harry The Duke of Sheffield would be a grave insult to him and his wife to be.
The second son usually gets York but that's taken for now, assuming no-one bumps Andrew off in the next few months, so assuming he gets a titles (which he probably will as otherwise she'd become Princess Henry, which makes her sound like a steam engine), it'll have to set some kind of precedent.
As a professional soldier, Cumberland is free. (ha). If they're going to stick with traditional names, Sussex seems to me to be the only one that's both available and free of historic difficulties.
The Tories need to get rid of their old deadwood. They have made a start, but Green, May, Davies and Johnson all need to go in the next year or two. There needs to be new fresh young leadership -a reinvention.
Then it will be in a position to defeat the stale hubristic Marxists currently in charge of the Labour party, saving it from the faction which has captured it, and continues to threaten to destroy it.
On topic, I share TSE's concern over this. I don't recall such "assistance" from the Conservatives to the LDs after 2010. The point then was that the Coalition was meant only as a one-off one-term endeavour between two parties who were and would remain distinct.
Is anyone suggesting there will one day be a merger of the Conservatives and the DUP ? Could it happen ? I suppose so if the members of both parties wanted it.
I haven't given the Irish border question much thought if I'm being honest - presumably it will require the same level of immigration scrutiny as other border points. Could we see migrants trying to access the UK via Eire in the future ? Not sure - a series of Sangatte-style camps springing up along the border can't be ruled out I suppose.
Does this mean enforcing the new immigration policy will require a hard border ?
Emma Dent-Coad being an idiot is up there with water being wet.
Coming out of hiding after a pants football weekend....
For the second weekend in a row?
It's all going tits up when your season hangs on whether you can win the champions league or not...
Sounds like the Liverpool season of 2004/05.
Dele Alli seems a bit distracted. He’s probably agreed a deal with Royal Madrid.
Look on the bright side, you could be an Everton fan.
For decades Liverpool fans had to hear for Everton fans say that they’d win things/finish above Liverpool if they had a rich owner who spent millions on transfers.
Emma Dent-Coad being an idiot is up there with water being wet.
Coming out of hiding after a pants football weekend....
For the second weekend in a row?
It's all going tits up when your season hangs on whether you can win the champions league or not...
I wouldn't worry... you could be a Newcastle supporter who also follows the England cricket team - pretty much the definition of a bad sporting weekend.
On topic, I share TSE's concern over this. I don't recall such "assistance" from the Conservatives to the LDs after 2010. The point then was that the Coalition was meant only as a one-off one-term endeavour between two parties who were and would remain distinct.
Is anyone suggesting there will one day be a merger of the Conservatives and the DUP ? Could it happen ? I suppose so if the members of both parties wanted it.
I haven't given the Irish border question much thought if I'm being honest - presumably it will require the same level of immigration scrutiny as other border points. Could we see migrants trying to access the UK via Eire in the future ? Not sure - a series of Sangatte-style camps springing up along the border can't be ruled out I suppose.
Does this mean enforcing the new immigration policy will require a hard border ?
It’s a great deal more difficult to get to RoI from mainland Europe when compared with crossing Italy, German or France. The idea of migrant boats crossing the Celtic Sea from Brest to Cork just doesn’t seem on!
On topic, I share TSE's concern over this. I don't recall such "assistance" from the Conservatives to the LDs after 2010. The point then was that the Coalition was meant only as a one-off one-term endeavour between two parties who were and would remain distinct.
Is anyone suggesting there will one day be a merger of the Conservatives and the DUP ? Could it happen ? I suppose so if the members of both parties wanted it.
I haven't given the Irish border question much thought if I'm being honest - presumably it will require the same level of immigration scrutiny as other border points. Could we see migrants trying to access the UK via Eire in the future ? Not sure - a series of Sangatte-style camps springing up along the border can't be ruled out I suppose.
Does this mean enforcing the new immigration policy will require a hard border ?
If you go by anecdotes from Leavers, it was immigration which was the main engine for the Brexit campaign.
I don't think the millions who voted to Leave thought there would be a "electronic border".
I bet they want a border where people could be stopped; passports checked etc. In other words, a HARD BORDER.
So, anyone in Europe could fly to Dublin, cross the border and then fly or take the ferry to the mainland.
On topic, I share TSE's concern over this. I don't recall such "assistance" from the Conservatives to the LDs after 2010. The point then was that the Coalition was meant only as a one-off one-term endeavour between two parties who were and would remain distinct.
Is anyone suggesting there will one day be a merger of the Conservatives and the DUP ? Could it happen ? I suppose so if the members of both parties wanted it.
I haven't given the Irish border question much thought if I'm being honest - presumably it will require the same level of immigration scrutiny as other border points. Could we see migrants trying to access the UK via Eire in the future ? Not sure - a series of Sangatte-style camps springing up along the border can't be ruled out I suppose.
Does this mean enforcing the new immigration policy will require a hard border ?
If you go by anecdotes from Leavers, it was immigration which was the main engine for the Brexit campaign.
I don't think the millions who voted to Leave thought there would be a "electronic border".
I bet they want a border where people could be stopped; passports checked etc. In other words, a HARD BORDER.
So, anyone in Europe could fly to Dublin, cross the border and then fly or take the ferry to the mainland.
We might as well be in Schengen.
No, because although you might come, you won't accrue rights here by doing so.
So for example, a friend who is in need of IVF treatment has been turned down because her husband already has a child from a previous marriage. Her Bulgarian co worker here in the UK has been accepted for IVF despite having only been here a matter of a year or so. Absolute equality is what causes the issue, not the ability to come - but that equality is measured not by equality of contribution, only need.
It’s a great deal more difficult to get to RoI from mainland Europe when compared with crossing Italy, German or France. The idea of migrant boats crossing the Celtic Sea from Brest to Cork just doesn’t seem on!
I'm not suggesting that but EU citizens will be able to travel to Eire from France or Spain by ferry and then make their way up to the border where, if there are no adequate controls in place, they will be able to cross.
It's not inpenetrable as the IRA proved and migrants could, if they cared or dared, make the journey into Ulster where, presumably, organised people smuggling gangs will be in place to bring them over to the remainder of the UK.
We and the French will spend all their time making Calais impossible to get through and this gaping hole will still exist. I don't rule out people smuggling through the Channel Islands either.
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but maybe you should have held their feet to the fire instead of tweeting endlessly about a bus
Let us not forget he encouraged Mark Reckless to defect to UKIP.
What Johnson, Fox and Davis actually told us was that the EU would be desperate for a deal and that the UK held all the cards.
and as you are well aware you cant finalise the detail until you know what the framework agreement is first
UK doesn't want a border and is telling the Irish if they do want a border they should pay for it.
Do you think Scotland should remain in the EU?
Do you think constituencies that voted for Labour MPs should have their own separate Labour Government?
I should have gone all Basil II at the Battle of Kleidion on Leavers during the campaign.
I suppose hubris led to nemesis on my part.
The story is relevant because of the big story which has been playing out since the 2014 kipper revolt.
The conservative coalition of interests across the UK cannot hold together. The ideological/geographical/generational/economic contradictions are greater than ever.
The tory coalition is bust.
https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/935083153768763393
Story about Royal marrying a divorcee to dominate the next couple of days?
It means she's leaving Suits, I love that show.
Who says we want a soft Brexit? Or a hard one? The voters said we want a Brexit. The kind of Brexit wasn't specified. The Government agreed to do what the voters said. So any kind of Brexit qualifies. What's to complain about?
And if we didn't want borders - proper ones where people can be stopped and turned back - why did we vote for Brexit? Proper borders, properly controlled by ourselves as a sovereign and independent state, is surely the essence of Brexit. So surely we have to restore a hard border at our borders, which obviously means in Ireland, as in Gibraltar and other points of contact with the rest of the world.
What's the problem?
Spot on the Brits love a day trip to Gib sitting on the bus waiting to show their passport twice.Then again on the way back .All worth the hassle for 200 cheap cigs.
Also, keep our eyes peeled for bad news being released.
Then , Scotland [ after all we were first told of this possibility from the legal opinion given by the Scotland Advocate General ].
Then, of course, London before we declare ourselves independent and charge England for using our assets.
Anyone remember what happened the last time a Royal tried to married an American divorcee?
Let's hope it's a Happy Christmas...
Novelty Bets
Royal Specials
Prince Harry & Meghan Markle Specials
30th of Dec 2017 12:00 pm
Prince Harry Specials
Meghan to attend Royal Christmas with Harry at Sandringham in 2017 @ 6/4
we might get a whole 10 minutes without Brexit bollocks
Trump's tweets should be fun today.
I thought it had been unconfirmed until now.
you think there isn't ALREADY lots of smuggling along the Irish border ?
( you lost by the way )
my vicar is a remarried divorcee
https://twitter.com/PickardJE/status/935060222057566208
'Directive 2004/38/EC introduces EU citizenship as the basic status for nationals of the Member States when they exercise their right to move and reside freely on EU territory. For the first three months, every EU citizen has the right to reside on the territory of another EU country with no conditions or formalities other than the requirement to hold a valid identity card or passport. For longer periods, the host Member State may require a citizen to register his or her presence within a reasonable and non-discriminatory period of time.
Migrant workers’ right to reside for more than three months remains subject to certain conditions, which vary depending on the citizen’s status: for EU citizens who are not workers or self-employed, the right of residence depends on their having sufficient resources not to become a burden on the host Member State’s social assistance system, and having sickness insurance. EU citizens acquire the right of permanent residence in the host Member State after a period of five years of uninterrupted legal residence.'
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/atyourservice/en/displayFtu.html?ftuId=FTU_3.1.3.html
If you are a burden on the state after 3 months, you can be removed. Belgium does. Its legal to do so. We could do it too. Perhaps instead of dismissing this option HYUFD et al might read the treaties and understand the facts...?
Emma Dent-Coad being an idiot is up there with water being wet.
No discussion on a coalition with the SPD until 2018 say CDU
https://sluggerotoole.com/2017/11/26/exclusive-poll-unionist-supporters-content-with-east-west-post-brexit-border-controls/
we'll have Brexited at this rate before they have a government
The actions of the Irish government are just one example how a complex change can suddenly incur unforeseen complication. So far, the EU more or less speaking with one voice and keeping their discipline over objectives and process has been a simplifying factor; arguably, the primary factor behind progress being made.
If other members of the EU start to peel off and impose their own agenda, it’s going to get a lot harder.
The second son usually gets York but that's taken for now, assuming no-one bumps Andrew off in the next few months, so assuming he gets a titles (which he probably will as otherwise she'd become Princess Henry, which makes her sound like a steam engine), it'll have to set some kind of precedent.
As a professional soldier, Cumberland is free. (ha). If they're going to stick with traditional names, Sussex seems to me to be the only one that's both available and free of historic difficulties.
Mr. Herdson, wasn't Cambridge reviving an old one that had personal significance? Maybe Harry will go the same route.
Hope it all works.
Not sure if it is the wisest strategy in a very marginal constitutency, though.
Congratulations to Harry and Meghan - I could care less who she is and what she's done. If they are happy together, that's all that matters.
Belated best wishes to Mr & Mrs Rottenborough of this parish - hope all went well last week and you have a long and happy life together.
Saying you 'could care less' is saying the opposite of what you meant to say. It's perhaps the only Americanism that annoys me.
They are a byword for excellence, particularly in the field of education.
Not making Harry The Duke of Sheffield would be a grave insult to him and his wife to be.
No other city fits the bill.
Then it will be in a position to defeat the stale hubristic Marxists currently in charge of the Labour party, saving it from the faction which has captured it, and continues to threaten to destroy it.
Is anyone suggesting there will one day be a merger of the Conservatives and the DUP ? Could it happen ? I suppose so if the members of both parties wanted it.
I haven't given the Irish border question much thought if I'm being honest - presumably it will require the same level of immigration scrutiny as other border points. Could we see migrants trying to access the UK via Eire in the future ? Not sure - a series of Sangatte-style camps springing up along the border can't be ruled out I suppose.
Does this mean enforcing the new immigration policy will require a hard border ?
Or perhaps I couldn't care less what you think.
Dele Alli seems a bit distracted. He’s probably agreed a deal with Royal Madrid.
Look on the bright side, you could be an Everton fan.
For decades Liverpool fans had to hear for Everton fans say that they’d win things/finish above Liverpool if they had a rich owner who spent millions on transfers.
This is politics, it's "a rough trade" - it's an insult, a not very clever one, but that's all.
The opprobium heaped on Corbyn, McDonnell isn't any better or worse.
The idea of migrant boats crossing the Celtic Sea from Brest to Cork just doesn’t seem on!
I don't think the millions who voted to Leave thought there would be a "electronic border".
I bet they want a border where people could be stopped; passports checked etc. In other words, a HARD BORDER.
So, anyone in Europe could fly to Dublin, cross the border and then fly or take the ferry to the mainland.
We might as well be in Schengen.
So for example, a friend who is in need of IVF treatment has been turned down because her husband already has a child from a previous marriage. Her Bulgarian co worker here in the UK has been accepted for IVF despite having only been here a matter of a year or so. Absolute equality is what causes the issue, not the ability to come - but that equality is measured not by equality of contribution, only need.
I can see Prince Harry inviting Obama though.
'Hey Hilary voter, ask the Kenyan to pass the salt.'
It's not inpenetrable as the IRA proved and migrants could, if they cared or dared, make the journey into Ulster where, presumably, organised people smuggling gangs will be in place to bring them over to the remainder of the UK.
We and the French will spend all their time making Calais impossible to get through and this gaping hole will still exist. I don't rule out people smuggling through the Channel Islands either.