Its not been a good week for the reliability of anecdotes.
Firstly we had 'all the European NHS and agricultural workers are leaving' demolished by imigrant employment at an all time high.
Then we had the 'the shops are empty, its a High Street disater' dismantled by an increase in retail sales.
But in the spirit of anecdotal bollox I'll add my own, namely that I was able to buy four punnets of raspberries today for only a pound. Where are all these cheap raspberries coming from in the middle of November ? I don't remember them being available this cheap or this late ever before.
I've still got raspberries on my unprotected canes here in Edinburgh. I'm sure the Perth polytunnels are still producing.
My Autumn raspberries are still going strong, although ripening slower. Now picking every few days instead of twice a day.
I don't know what variety I have bit they are nuts, they start producing in August and keep going to November.
That said the August fruit is pretty weak and it only gets proper tasty midway through September.
@mkraju: Trump's decision not to push Moore out leaves GOP in a bind. Widespread belief on Hill he was the only one who could convince Moore to quit. Now, they're almost certainly stuck with Moore as their candidate.
@mkraju: Trump's decision not to push Moore out leaves GOP in a bind. Widespread belief on Hill he was the only one who could convince Moore to quit. Now, they're almost certainly stuck with Moore as their candidate.
I thought Trump had backed Moore's primary opponent and that Moore was the establishment candidate ?
Sky suggesting 40 billion on offer which is way below the 100 billion originally requested
Wasn't the original figure mooted around 60 billion, which was then elevated to around 100 billion? Which in pounds would work out around, what, 45-55 billion?
I'm sure 40 is way too high for plenty, especially those set on 0, but the 100 billion seemed a sudden and arbitrary increase at the time so I'm sure people speculated it was to make a later figure accepted by us be presented as a win for both sides, as they got their amount, and we can say it was argued down.
Sky suggesting 40 billion on offer which is way below the 100 billion originally requested
Wasn't the original figure mooted around 60 billion, which was then elevated to around 100 billion? Which in pounds would work out around, what, 45-55 billion?
I'm sure 40 is way too high for plenty, especially those set on 0, but the 100 billion seemed a sudden and arbitrary increase at the time so I'm sure people speculated it was to make a later figure accepted by us be presented as a win for both sides, as they got their amount, and we can say it was argued down.
You know, I suspect the Judge will edge this. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if his tenure in the Senate was a short one.
I think Roy Moore must be the most appalling Senate candidate that the Republicans have chosen in my lifetime. Time and again, they throw away races that they're certain to win by selecting candidates so dreadful that even the most partisan electorates can't vote for them.
Wahey Question Time is on. I am sure tonight's debate will get to the heart of matter, clarify key points of debate and move the argument along in a constructive way
Wahey Question Time is on. I am sure tonight's debate will get to the heart of matter, clarify key points of debate and move the argument along in a constructive way
Hmm, no emojis used there, so clearly an entirely sincere statement.
A review of the Bose SoundLink speaker on the John Lewis website. I am worried it may be a spoof; if genuine it is the best thing ever on the internet
Location:Oxfordshire, UK The clarity of this speaker is absolutely wonderful. Second to none. My neighbour says that she can clearly hear every word of my Michael Bublé Christmas album through the thin wall that separates our semi-detached bungalows. Despite her complaints I refuse to lower the volume. It's such a shame that she doesn't share my love the The Mighty Bublé. Why just average quality? I accidentally dropped the speaker out of the window of my niece's Nissan Micra while travelling at approx 33mph and a large piece of the speaker broke off. Not what I'd expect from Bose. Thanks goodness for the circular design (it rolled for 50+ yards). If it had been square, I imagine the damage could have been much worse. However, the amazing sound quality has not been affected.
You know, I suspect the Judge will edge this. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if his tenure in the Senate was a short one.
I think Roy Moore must be the most appalling Senate candidate that the Republicans have chosen in my lifetime. Time and again, they throw away races that they're certain to win by selecting candidates so dreadful that even the most partisan electorates can't vote for them.
Their House and Governor candidates seem rather more ordinary.
Is there something which attracts the most awful types to the Senate ?
You know, I suspect the Judge will edge this. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if his tenure in the Senate was a short one.
I think Roy Moore must be the most appalling Senate candidate that the Republicans have chosen in my lifetime. Time and again, they throw away races that they're certain to win by selecting candidates so dreadful that even the most partisan electorates can't vote for them.
Wahey Question Time is on. I am sure tonight's debate will get to the heart of matter, clarify key points of debate and move the argument along in a constructive way
Just switched over from #britishworkerswanted. Well worth catching...
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
Is 'Leader of the Tory rebels' an official title, an apt description, or just the editor not wanting to overuse the phrase 'senior backbencher'?
More pressingly, I've just never been convinced of why the end date was a good idea - I get why it was to calm Hardline Brexiters, who are incredibly jittery it seems, but flexibility is generally a good thing.
Wahey Question Time is on. I am sure tonight's debate will get to the heart of matter, clarify key points of debate and move the argument along in a constructive way
Just switched over from #britishworkerswanted. Well worth catching...
My main takeaway from that programme was that people wanting temps for £7.50 are going to have to pay more...
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
Wahey Question Time is on. I am sure tonight's debate will get to the heart of matter, clarify key points of debate and move the argument along in a constructive way
Just switched over from #britishworkerswanted. Well worth catching...
My main takeaway from that programme was that people wanting temps for £7.50 are going to have to pay more...
The only one in that office who was competent was Oksana.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
Is 'Leader of the Tory rebels' an official title, an apt description, or just the editor not wanting to overuse the phrase 'senior backbencher'?
More pressingly, I've just never been convinced of why the end date was a good idea - I get why it was to calm Hardline Brexiters, who are incredibly jittery it seems, but flexibility is generally a good thing.
An official title, a bit like our Prime Minister's official title is 'First Lord of The Treasury'
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
You know, I suspect the Judge will edge this. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised if his tenure in the Senate was a short one.
I think Roy Moore must be the most appalling Senate candidate that the Republicans have chosen in my lifetime. Time and again, they throw away races that they're certain to win by selecting candidates so dreadful that even the most partisan electorates can't vote for them.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
I've not been following every twist and turn of this - I thought I'd seen a headline that that had already been conceded, or does it hinge on how 'meaningful' is defined?
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
What about the moon on a stick amendment?
Frankly, there will be a vote on the deal. The alternative won't be to stay in. That would undermine democracy. It will be a meaningful vote between accepting the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
I've not been following every twist and turn of this - I thought I'd seen a headline that that had already been conceded, or does it hinge on how 'meaningful' is defined?
Yup.
A vote at 10.45pm on March 29th 2019 won't be meaningful.
The big known unknown is what happens if major companies start making noises about what WTO Brexit means in H1 2018.
I also think a flash point will be when the ECJ fundamentalists get upset if the ECJ is still involved, such as Euroatom.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
What about the moon on a stick amendment?
Frankly, there will be a vote on the deal. The alternative won't be to stay in. That would undermine democracy. It will be a meaningful vote between accepting the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
Alternative will be a vote to extend the negotiations beyond March 29th 2017.
Never heard of a coup before where the person being overthrown is allowed to decide whether or not to resign.
Coups come in a variety of flavours I suppose.
Interesting list of 'coups and coup attempts' on wikipedia, it's a bit weird. The Gambian crisis last year is referred to as a coup by 'government of gambia' against the President, which is an odd way of putting it.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
What about the moon on a stick amendment?
Frankly, there will be a vote on the deal. The alternative won't be to stay in. That would undermine democracy. It will be a meaningful vote between accepting the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
Alternative will be a vote to extend the negotiations beyond March 29th 2019.
That's why I highlighted the bit in bold.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
What about the moon on a stick amendment?
Frankly, there will be a vote on the deal. The alternative won't be to stay in. That would undermine democracy. It will be a meaningful vote between accepting the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
Alternative will be a vote to extend the negotiations beyond March 29th 2017.
That's why I highlighted the bit in bold.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
If negotiations are going well, and they want to get the ultimate destination agreed before the transition kicks off, I could easily see a three month extension to get loose ends tied up.
Tory MP's still trying to thwart the will of the British people...
Parliamentary Sovereignty is the will of the British people. Right?
Na, they could approve of something that the majority of people were against.
Indeed so. And it might even be a good thing, in the end and depending on the issue (that's why the parliament is sovereign), but they'd have to endure or overcome any political consequences for that.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
What about the moon on a stick amendment?
Frankly, there will be a vote on the deal. The alternative won't be to stay in. That would undermine democracy. It will be a meaningful vote between accepting the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
Alternative will be a vote to extend the negotiations beyond March 29th 2017.
That's why I highlighted the bit in bold.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
If negotiations are going well, and they want to get the ultimate destination agreed before the transition kicks off, I could easily see a three month extension to get loose ends tied up.
Extra time. Let's hope it doesn't go to penalties.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
What about the moon on a stick amendment?
Frankly, there will be a vote on the deal. The alternative won't be to stay in. That would undermine democracy. It will be a meaningful vote between accepting the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
Alternative will be a vote to extend the negotiations beyond March 29th 2017.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
What about the moon on a stick amendment?
Frankly, there will be a vote on the deal. The alternative won't be to stay in. That would undermine democracy. It will be a meaningful vote between accepting the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
Alternative will be a vote to extend the negotiations beyond March 29th 2017.
That's why I highlighted the bit in bold.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
If negotiations are going well, and they want to get the ultimate destination agreed before the transition kicks off, I could easily see a three month extension to get loose ends tied up.
Extra time. Let's hope it doesn't go to penalties.
Could be worse - could be Rugby sudden death rules, with a kicking competition, which is certainly harder than a penalty shootout. Not sure if it has ever actually happened though.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
What about the moon on a stick amendment?
Frankly, there will be a vote on the deal. The alternative won't be to stay in. That would undermine democracy. It will be a meaningful vote between accepting the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
Alternative will be a vote to extend the negotiations beyond March 29th 2017.
That's why I highlighted the bit in bold.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
If negotiations are going well, and they want to get the ultimate destination agreed before the transition kicks off, I could easily see a three month extension to get loose ends tied up.
Extra time. Let's hope it doesn't go to penalties.
Never heard of a coup before where the person being overthrown is allowed to decide whether or not to resign.
It should be an offer he cannot refuse.
What is concerning are the reports that people are preparing to celebrate, once they know he is indeed going, when the guy behind all this appears to be as nasty a piece of work as was/is Mugabe.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s withdrawal.
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
What about the moon on a stick amendment?
Frankly, there wig the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
Alternative will be a vote to extend the negotiations beyond March 29th 2017.
That's why I highlighted the bit in bold.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
If negotiations are going well, and they want to get the ultimate destination agreed before the transition kicks off, I could easily see a three month extension to get loose ends tied up.
Extra time. Let's hope it doesn't go to penalties.
Could be worse - could be Rugby sudden death rules, with a kicking competition, which is certainly harder than a penalty shootout. Not sure if it has ever actually happened though.
If Theresa May took a penalty she would manage an own goal.
Looking at other aging dictators, many are still only in their 70s, so can presumably last for quite some time before (if) they lose their grip like Mugabe.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
What about the moon on a stick amendment?
Frankly, there will be a vote on the deal. The alternative won't be to stay in. That would undermine democracy. It will be a meaningful vote between accepting the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
Alternative will be a vote to extend the negotiations beyond March 29th 2017.
That's why I highlighted the bit in bold.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
If negotiations are going well, and they want to get the ultimate destination agreed before the transition kicks off, I could easily see a three month extension to get loose ends tied up.
Extra time. Let's hope it doesn't go to penalties.
Could be worse - could be Rugby sudden death rules, with a kicking competition, which is certainly harder than a penalty shootout. Not sure if it has ever actually happened though.
Theresa May is poised to bow to the demands of the Brexit “mutineers” by dropping Britain’s EU exit date from legislation governing the UK’s
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
So adding a date for it to be the only concession to the Remainers sounds like smart Parliamentary politics to me.
Depends if the rebels move on to another amendment to focus on, and how many they can muster for that.
The biggie is a meaningful vote on the final deal.
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
What about the moon on a stick amendment?
Frankly, there will be a vote on the deal. The alternative won't be to stay in. That would undermine democracy. It will be a meaningful vote between accepting the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
Alternative will be a vote to extend the negotiations beyond March 29th 2017.
That's why I highlighted the bit in bold.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
If negotiations are going well, and they want to get the ultimate destination agreed before the transition kicks off, I could easily see a three month extension to get loose ends tied up.
Extra time. Let's hope it doesn't go to penalties.
We always lose to the Germans on penalties.
Has Germany got a government - looks like deadlock and today was Merkel's demand for agreement.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
Because do you want Brexit good, or do you want it quick?
Quick???
In March 2019 it will already have been nearly 3 years since we voted to leave, and we'll have another god knows how many years of "transition" to endure after March 2019...
You know, at some point the people who voted to leave have actually got to see something happen?
Never heard of a coup before where the person being overthrown is allowed to decide whether or not to resign.
It should be an offer he cannot refuse.
What is concerning are the reports that people are preparing to celebrate, once they know he is indeed going, when the guy behind all this appears to be as nasty a piece of work as was/is Mugabe.
People cannot help but hope I suppose, or pray that the unintended consequence will be to provide opportunity for actual improvement even though Mr Crocodile's track record would suggest he is not interested in such things.
Piece on the BBC today I think about Hun Sen of Cambodia - apparently he's been getting steadily more autocratic over the years, and now the main opposition party has been disbanded. Supposedly due to support China there really is no need for those with autocratic tendencies to play nice anymore.
Never heard of a coup before where the person being overthrown is allowed to decide whether or not to resign.
It should be an offer he cannot refuse.
What is concerning are the reports that people are preparing to celebrate, once they know he is indeed going, when the guy behind all this appears to be as nasty a piece of work as was/is Mugabe.
It is only afterwards that we find out if he is Khruschev or Beria.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
Because do you want Brexit good, or do you want it quick?
Quick???
In March 2019 it will already have been nearly 3 years since we voted to leave, and we'll have another god knows how many years of "transition" to endure after March 2019...
You know, at some point the people who voted to leave have actually got to see something happen?
Quick relative to the 46 years we will have been members of the EU.
You can't undo 46 years worth of legislation just like that.
Looking at other aging dictators, many are still only in their 70s, so can presumably last for quite some time before (if) they lose their grip like Mugabe.
Changing the subject, had anyone seen Vince Cable lately? Remarkably low profile.
Coups truly are fascinating, if often terrible or part of very chaotic and terrible times in a country. Looking at present leaders, the guy Omar Al Bashir of Sudan overthrew in 1989 is still active in Sudanese politics.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
Because do you want Brexit good, or do you want it quick?
Quick???
In March 2019 it will already have been nearly 3 years since we voted to leave, and we'll have another god knows how many years of "transition" to endure after March 2019...
You know, at some point the people who voted to leave have actually got to see something happen?
Quick relative to the 46 years we will have been members of the EU.
You can't undo 46 years worth of legislation just like that.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
Because do you want Brexit good, or do you want it quick?
Quick???
In March 2019 it will already have been nearly 3 years since we voted to leave, and we'll have another god knows how many years of "transition" to endure after March 2019...
You know, at some point the people who voted to leave have actually got to see something happen?
Quick relative to the 46 years we will have been members of the EU.
You can't undo 46 years worth of legislation just like that.
I thought the idea of the Great Repeal Bill was to bring all that 46yrs worth of EU law into British law and let Parliament consider all of it at it's leisure?
Looking at other aging dictators, many are still only in their 70s, so can presumably last for quite some time before (if) they lose their grip like Mugabe.
Changing the subject, had anyone seen Vince Cable lately? Remarkably low profile.
Under attack from his female activists today over Rennard
Why can't the lib dems do the decent thing and put Norman Lamb in charge.
Looking at other aging dictators, many are still only in their 70s, so can presumably last for quite some time before (if) they lose their grip like Mugabe.
Changing the subject, had anyone seen Vince Cable lately? Remarkably low profile.
Looking at other aging dictators, many are still only in their 70s, so can presumably last for quite some time before (if) they lose their grip like Mugabe.
Changing the subject, had anyone seen Vince Cable lately? Remarkably low profile.
He asked a question at PMQs. It was quite a good one but was quickly dismissed by May.
Looking at other aging dictators, many are still only in their 70s, so can presumably last for quite some time before (if) they lose their grip like Mugabe.
Changing the subject, had anyone seen Vince Cable lately? Remarkably low profile.
Under attack from his female activists today over Rennard
Why can't the lib dems do the decent thing and put Norman Lamb in charge.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
Because do you want Brexit good, or do you want it quick?
Quick???
In March 2019 it will already have been nearly 3 years since we voted to leave, and we'll have another god knows how many years of "transition" to endure after March 2019...
You know, at some point the people who voted to leave have actually got to see something happen?
Quick relative to the 46 years we will have been members of the EU.
You can't undo 46 years worth of legislation just like that.
How long can you do it in?
A decent government could achieve it within 3 to 5 years of triggering Article 50.
Looking at other aging dictators, many are still only in their 70s, so can presumably last for quite some time before (if) they lose their grip like Mugabe.
Changing the subject, had anyone seen Vince Cable lately? Remarkably low profile.
Under attack from his female activists today over Rennard
Why can't the lib dems do the decent thing and put Norman Lamb in charge.
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
Because do you want Brexit good, or do you want it quick?
Quick???
In March 2019 it will already have been nearly 3 years since we voted to leave, and we'll have another god knows how many years of "transition" to endure after March 2019...
You know, at some point the people who voted to leave have actually got to see something happen?
Quick relative to the 46 years we will have been members of the EU.
You can't undo 46 years worth of legislation just like that.
I thought the idea of the Great Repeal Bill was to bring all that 46yrs worth of EU law into British law and let Parliament consider all of it at it's leisure?
Looking at other aging dictators, many are still only in their 70s, so can presumably last for quite some time before (if) they lose their grip like Mugabe.
Changing the subject, had anyone seen Vince Cable lately? Remarkably low profile.
Under attack from his female activists today over Rennard
Why can't the lib dems do the decent thing and put Norman Lamb in charge.
He would be excellent
No way should Rennard have been allowed back
Lamb is great. Swinson too and Tom Brake.
Cable was the wrong choice.
Cable would have been the right choice ten years ago.
Ashes: Australia recall wicketkeeper Tim Paine after seven years
Full squad: Steve Smith (captain), David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Jackson Bird, Pat Cummins, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Chadd Sayers, Mitchell Starc
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
Because do you want Brexit good, or do you want it quick?
Quick???
In March 2019 it will already have been nearly 3 years since we voted to leave, and we'll have another god knows how many years of "transition" to endure after March 2019...
You know, at some point the people who voted to leave have actually got to see something happen?
Quick relative to the 46 years we will have been members of the EU.
You can't undo 46 years worth of legislation just like that.
I thought the idea of the Great Repeal Bill was to bring all that 46yrs worth of EU law into British law and let Parliament consider all of it at it's leisure?
We were told for many years that British sovereignty and the EU take over was a myth .
March 2019? Why on Earth would HMG want to "extend" negotiations beyond March 2019?
Because do you want Brexit good, or do you want it quick?
Quick???
In March 2019 it will already have been nearly 3 years since we voted to leave, and we'll have another god knows how many years of "transition" to endure after March 2019...
You know, at some point the people who voted to leave have actually got to see something happen?
Quick relative to the 46 years we will have been members of the EU.
You can't undo 46 years worth of legislation just like that.
I thought the idea of the Great Repeal Bill was to bring all that 46yrs worth of EU law into British law and let Parliament consider all of it at it's leisure?
We were told for many years that British sovereignty and the EU take over was a myth .
David Davis said it was a myth a few months ago.
This is about coming up with internationally accepted regulatory bodies, standards, and dispute resolution processes.
If we hadn't joined the EC/EU back in 1973, we still would have had to pass similar laws in those 46 years.
Ashes: Australia recall wicketkeeper Tim Paine after seven years
Full squad: Steve Smith (captain), David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Jackson Bird, Pat Cummins, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Chadd Sayers, Mitchell Starc
Ashes: Australia recall wicketkeeper Tim Paine after seven years
Full squad: Steve Smith (captain), David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Jackson Bird, Pat Cummins, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Chadd Sayers, Mitchell Starc
Looking at other aging dictators, many are still only in their 70s, so can presumably last for quite some time before (if) they lose their grip like Mugabe.
Changing the subject, had anyone seen Vince Cable lately? Remarkably low profile.
Under attack from his female activists today over Rennard
Why can't the lib dems do the decent thing and put Norman Lamb in charge.
Ashes: Australia recall wicketkeeper Tim Paine after seven years
Full squad: Steve Smith (captain), David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Jackson Bird, Pat Cummins, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Chadd Sayers, Mitchell Starc
Forgive my over optimism. But is that really a squad to strike fear? A 5-0 squad?
On the latter point, they are not so good I woukd expect that. Home advantage and if our top guys all fail maybe, but though I'd call them favourites neither side are world beaters.
Ashes: Australia recall wicketkeeper Tim Paine after seven years
Full squad: Steve Smith (captain), David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Jackson Bird, Pat Cummins, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Chadd Sayers, Mitchell Starc
Forgive my over optimism. But is that really a squad to strike fear? A 5-0 squad?
It certainly isn't in the same universe as Warne, Mcgrath, Waugh, Waugh, Gilchrist etc etc etc team, no. But England team has fragile batting line up and the best two bowlers are aging.
Ashes: Australia recall wicketkeeper Tim Paine after seven years
Full squad: Steve Smith (captain), David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Jackson Bird, Pat Cummins, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Chadd Sayers, Mitchell Starc
Forgive my over optimism. But is that really a squad to strike fear? A 5-0 squad?
It certainly isn't in the same universe as Warne, Mcgrath, Waugh, Waugh, Gilchrist etc etc etc team, no. But England team has fragile batting line up and the best two bowlers are aging.
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That said the August fruit is pretty weak and it only gets proper tasty midway through September.
A bit like the Rebate in that way.
Until Blair decided to give back half of it.
I've had a potential business idea for cereal farmers.
Hand harvested grain for sale to artisan bakeries and craft brewers.
Even better if its some type of 'heritage' grain.
The blokes in beards would pay top whack to put it in their breads and beers.
Just think, if we hadn't had that bit of Blair's renowned diplomacy Leave wouldn't have won.
https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/nov/16/mr-underbed-author-accuses-john-lewis-christmas-ad-of-plagiarism
I'm sure 40 is way too high for plenty, especially those set on 0, but the 100 billion seemed a sudden and arbitrary increase at the time so I'm sure people speculated it was to make a later figure accepted by us be presented as a win for both sides, as they got their amount, and we can say it was argued down.
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The clarity of this speaker is absolutely wonderful. Second to none. My neighbour says that she can clearly hear every word of my Michael Bublé Christmas album through the thin wall that separates our semi-detached bungalows. Despite her complaints I refuse to lower the volume. It's such a shame that she doesn't share my love the The Mighty Bublé.
Why just average quality? I accidentally dropped the speaker out of the window of my niece's Nissan Micra while travelling at approx 33mph and a large piece of the speaker broke off. Not what I'd expect from Bose. Thanks goodness for the circular design (it rolled for 50+ yards). If it had been square, I imagine the damage could have been much worse. However, the amazing sound quality has not been affected.
Is there something which attracts the most awful types to the Senate ?
David Lidington, the Justice Secretary, said “various constructive suggestions” had been made to the Prime Minister and that the Government “will listen” to calls for the exit date to be removed from the Bill.
Another senior Cabinet minister told The Telegraph the Government was considering removing the controversial amendment after a series of tight votes earlier this week signalled Mrs May might lose if it was put to the vote.
Dominic Grieve, the leader of the Tory rebels, said that as many as 27 Tory MPs were prepared to oppose Mrs May’s amendment which proposed to set a legal date and time for leaving the EU.
The rebels were emboldened on Thursday by the news that EU member states have sought legal advice from the European Commission over a possible extension of the two-year negotiation period set out in Article 50.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/16/theresa-may-bows-mutineers-brexit-date/
I think we all know what the EU27's next bit of legal advice is going to be.
More pressingly, I've just never been convinced of why the end date was a good idea - I get why it was to calm Hardline Brexiters, who are incredibly jittery it seems, but flexibility is generally a good thing.
#wasteofspace
I don't think Mrs May has the votes or anywhere close to stop that.
I wouldn't be surprised if in his final deal he signs the UK up to Schengen and the single currency.
Frankly, there will be a vote on the deal. The alternative won't be to stay in. That would undermine democracy. It will be a meaningful vote between accepting the deal and not accepting the dea and reverting to WTO.
@FrankUnderwocd: There is literally a tweet for everything. https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/662717972981551104
A vote at 10.45pm on March 29th 2019 won't be meaningful.
The big known unknown is what happens if major companies start making noises about what WTO Brexit means in H1 2018.
I also think a flash point will be when the ECJ fundamentalists get upset if the ECJ is still involved, such as Euroatom.
Sovereignty
"When do we want it?"
Not yet...
That's why I highlighted the bit in bold.
Interesting list of 'coups and coup attempts' on wikipedia, it's a bit weird. The Gambian crisis last year is referred to as a coup by 'government of gambia' against the President, which is an odd way of putting it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_coups_d'état_and_coup_attempts_since_2010
Another page on coup d'etats says 'a 2016 study shows that implementation of succession rules reduce coup attempts'. I guess Mugabe didn't read it.
Not as many governments led by coup leaders as you'd think, according to wiki, an even 12.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills
And there will be many more in China and Russia which we don't know about.
What is concerning are the reports that people are preparing to celebrate, once they know he is indeed going, when the guy behind all this appears to be as nasty a piece of work as was/is Mugabe.
New elections risk Afd growing stronger
In March 2019 it will already have been nearly 3 years since we voted to leave, and we'll have another god knows how many years of "transition" to endure after March 2019...
You know, at some point the people who voted to leave have actually got to see something happen?
Piece on the BBC today I think about Hun Sen of Cambodia - apparently he's been getting steadily more autocratic over the years, and now the main opposition party has been disbanded. Supposedly due to support China there really is no need for those with autocratic tendencies to play nice anymore.
You can't undo 46 years worth of legislation just like that.
Why can't the lib dems do the decent thing and put Norman Lamb in charge.
He would be excellent
Lamb is great. Swinson too and Tom Brake.
Cable was the wrong choice.
Full squad: Steve Smith (captain), David Warner, Cameron Bancroft, Jackson Bird, Pat Cummins, Peter Handscomb, Josh Hazlewood, Usman Khawaja, Nathan Lyon, Shaun Marsh, Tim Paine, Chadd Sayers, Mitchell Starc
http://www.bbc.com/sport/cricket/42013093
Justice League starts in a few minutes.
McDonnell's "infrastructure" investment though. It'd go straight to Mcluskey's pension pot would it not ?
This is about coming up with internationally accepted regulatory bodies, standards, and dispute resolution processes.
If we hadn't joined the EC/EU back in 1973, we still would have had to pass similar laws in those 46 years.