The latest twist doesn't make much sense. Why would a meeting with Yuval Rotem be any more embarrassing to the FCO than the other 12 meetings? Would anyone have noticed if the list had been 14 rather than 12 meetings?
She admitted the 12 meetings, but conveniently forgot the other 2 when she got back from her "hols". If I were her boss, and found one of my staff had lied consistently to my face, then after being told there were no further problems, suddenly discovered that there were, and that I was being made to look an idiot, then I would not just be spitting tacks, it would be bullets....
Except the JC is claiming they were told about the 2 extra meetings as well. Twin sourced claim.
@tompeck: Meanwhile, Priti Patel is sitting on a plane with no wifi, and doesn't know we know that she knows that Number 10 knows. twitter.com/JewishChron/st…
The latest twist doesn't make much sense. Why would a meeting with Yuval Rotem be any more embarrassing to the FCO than the other 12 meetings? Would anyone have noticed if the list had been 14 rather than 12 meetings?
She admitted the 12 meetings, but conveniently forgot the other 2 when she got back from her "hols". If I were her boss, and found one of my staff had lied consistently to my face, then after being told there were no further problems, suddenly discovered that there were, and that I was being made to look an idiot, then I would not just be spitting tacks, it would be bullets....
Except the JC is claiming they were told about the 2 extra meetings as well. Twin sourced claim.
A group of LibDem women have signed an open letter to Vince Cable accusing the party of covering up sexual assaults and harassment. The letter, signed by dozens of female activists over the last two days, says the party did not “adequately look into” an allegation of assault against a male LibDem, warns this is not an “isolated case” and says “the party is failing” at dealing with harassment:
Surely this is worse for May? Looks like she's thrown Patel under a bus
At the moment, I feel like I've indulged in so much head-shaking that I've got RSI, and I've typed FFS so often I'm worried about wearing out the F on my keyboard.
A group of LibDem women have signed an open letter to Vince Cable accusing the party of covering up sexual assaults and harassment. The letter, signed by dozens of female activists over the last two days, says the party did not “adequately look into” an allegation of assault against a male LibDem, warns this is not an “isolated case” and says “the party is failing” at dealing with harassment:
Surely this is worse for May? Looks like she's thrown Patel under a bus
At the moment, I feel like I've indulged in so much head-shaking that I've got RSI, and I've typed FFS so often I'm worried about wearing out the F on my keyboard.
Can you imagine if May had a Tucker character trying to keep discipline behind the scenes?
"see you, you are a fucking omnishambles, that's what you are. You're like that coffee machine, you know, "From bean to cup, you fuck up.". Followed by the Nicola Murray politically hanging herself on the train stunt thats been posted several times.
The one problem with Iannouchi's scripts. His ideas of satire have all come true. He needed to be more extreme.
Can you imagine if May had a Tucker character trying to keep discipline behind the scenes?
"see you, you are a fucking omnishambles, that's what you are. You're like that coffee machine, you know, "From bean to cup, you fuck up.". Followed by the Nicola Murray politically hanging herself on the train stunt thats been posted several times.
The one problem with Iannouchi's scripts. His ideas of satire have all come true. He needed to be more extreme.
If Rory The Tory doesn't get the gig, I think we can safely say hell will freeze over before he gets a proper job.
It all depends on whether he, like a lot of other Tory young hopefuls were on the spreadsheet. Its too high risk to promote people on there right now (which was probably the intention of its author).
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
IF TMay is drawn into this, either because she actually allowed Patel to have the meetings, or tried to hide the extra meetings, then I cannot see her continuing. A stronger leader would have taken the hit and moved on.
I used to think that TMay should wait and take the Brexit hit and let another leader take over. However, she has been so fatally wounded by GE2017 it is causing ongoing harm, and then allowing stunts like this to be pulled? Crazy. The only way she would survive is by acting as strong and stable as possible, and she as done the reverse of that.
However, if this is all Patel's doing, and TMay is not involved and just sacks her, then she will continue. For now. Whether that's a good thing is another matter.
If Rory The Tory doesn't get the gig, I think we can safely say hell will freeze over before he gets a proper job.
It all depends on whether he, like a lot of other Tory young hopefuls were on the spreadsheet. Its too high risk to promote people on there right now (which was probably the intention of its author).
iirc he was on the spreadsheet, and has strongly denied any knowledge of what ever it was. He may even have been one of those who have lawyered up.
I agree. Patel is going and taking May with her. I'd say it is now 50:50 whether May is gone by Sunday evening.
Shadsy has 100/1 on a 2017 election...
Is there enough time for an election to be held in 2017? The FTPA timetable seems to be longer than it used to be when HM could just dissolve parliament when requested by the PM.
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Tell Hague to put down his history books and get the train to London. He may be needed by Sunday.
The latest twist doesn't make much sense. Why would a meeting with Yuval Rotem be any more embarrassing to the FCO than the other 12 meetings? Would anyone have noticed if the list had been 14 rather than 12 meetings?
She admitted the 12 meetings, but conveniently forgot the other 2 when she got back from her "hols". If I were her boss, and found one of my staff had lied consistently to my face, then after being told there were no further problems, suddenly discovered that there were, and that I was being made to look an idiot, then I would not just be spitting tacks, it would be bullets....
Except the JC is claiming they were told about the 2 extra meetings as well. Twin sourced claim.
If Rory The Tory doesn't get the gig, I think we can safely say hell will freeze over before he gets a proper job.
It all depends on whether he, like a lot of other Tory young hopefuls were on the spreadsheet. Its too high risk to promote people on there right now (which was probably the intention of its author).
iirc he was on the spreadsheet, and has strongly denied any knowledge of what ever it was. He may even have been one of those who have lawyered up.
Yeah, it was quite striking just *how* many young Tories tipped for advancement were on there. However it has done its job, if a party leader promotes someone on that spreadsheet, and allegations come out then that will be the end of both of their careers.
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Lord Hague or Lord Howard would fit. Probably the former.
@gabyhinsliff: *if* (big if) PM was using Patel behind Boris's back, or even condoning her making foreign policy behind his back, in any other circs he'd have grounds to resign on outraged pt of principle & pose serious threat to PM
@gabyhinsliff: but as in the meantime he's done something for which he himself should probably resign, that's out the window. Leaving what's technically known as 'an uholy mess'
Where's tap when you need him? Are Israel and the spreadsheet both half-cocked Number 10 plots against Boris?
I agree. Patel is going and taking May with her. I'd say it is now 50:50 whether May is gone by Sunday evening.
Shadsy has 100/1 on a 2017 election...
Is there enough time for an election to be held in 2017? The FTPA timetable seems to be longer than it used to be when HM could just dissolve parliament when requested by the PM.
Yes, we would be looking at something like the 28th December. No chance.
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Which would reveal that the Tory Party is incapable of agreeing on an MP to fill the role even as a caretaker. They cannot form a coherent government and a new leader will not change that.
If Rory The Tory doesn't get the gig, I think we can safely say hell will freeze over before he gets a proper job.
It all depends on whether he, like a lot of other Tory young hopefuls were on the spreadsheet. Its too high risk to promote people on there right now (which was probably the intention of its author).
We have done this about 20 times.
He was, but it was supposed to be that he asked a former assistant to do weird stuff, but his former assistant immediately came out and say he was a wonderful boss and it was all total bullshit.
Given she no longer works for him, and the (untrue) allegation was that she complained, it would seem she has no reason to defend him in this manner.
The "list" has already been found to contain provable false claims.
Surely this is worse for May? Looks like she's thrown Patel under a bus
At the moment, I feel like I've indulged in so much head-shaking that I've got RSI, and I've typed FFS so often I'm worried about wearing out the F on my keyboard.
I just LOL'd on the tube around Westminster catching up on here and a very smart (PPS-ish type) bloke sitting next to me was evidently looking at my phone. I would have bet money he was somehow involved from his reaction.
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
Sorry to hear of your troubles. There does seem a postcode lottery with this kind of thing. I had similar issues with the need for hand rails for stairs and a loop thing for a bed: OT and council had it sorted in 48 hours. They are desperate to stop falls and keep people out of NHS A&E (or are supposed to be).
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
I am so sorry to hear this.
Could you get your doctor to say that you are not fit enough to assist your wife during the day? Might that help?
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Which would reveal that the Tory Party is incapable of agreeing on an MP to fill the role even as a caretaker. They cannot form a coherent government and a new leader will not change that.
So do the Tories ultimately prefer PM Corbyn leading a minority government, or the risk of bringing his government down and causing a GE in which there are almost certainly Tory losses and possibly PM Corbyn returned with a majority? Because that's the next choice to be made.
Of course it's also an open question whether the Conservative party now exists as a sufficiently disciplined entity to make a single coherent choice about any matter, including how to act in Parliamentary votes when in opposition.
The latest twist doesn't make much sense. Why would a meeting with Yuval Rotem be any more embarrassing to the FCO than the other 12 meetings? Would anyone have noticed if the list had been 14 rather than 12 meetings?
She admitted the 12 meetings, but conveniently forgot the other 2 when she got back from her "hols". If I were her boss, and found one of my staff had lied consistently to my face, then after being told there were no further problems, suddenly discovered that there were, and that I was being made to look an idiot, then I would not just be spitting tacks, it would be bullets....
Except the JC is claiming they were told about the 2 extra meetings as well. Twin sourced claim.
What is the JC apart from Jesus Christ?
Jewish Chronicle
Not our Jeremy?
JC is now more adored than JC and definitely more than JC
Forget the fantasy about Hague or Howard (or Clarke who'd be my choice for caretaker). The next leader will be an MP. And given the absolute Omnishambles in the cabinet I still think the Moggmeister has a decent chance by means of looking and sounding like a Tory, being a leaver and being a clean pair of hands.
He's no experience of course. Which right now is an advantage
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
Just so upsetting and unacceptable - hope it gets resolved
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
That really doesn’t sound good. As suggested the other day, it’s probably time to get your MP involved now.
Forget the fantasy about Hague or Howard (or Clarke who'd be my choice for caretaker). The next leader will be an MP. And given the absolute Omnishambles in the cabinet I still think the Moggmeister has a decent chance by means of looking and sounding like a Tory, being a leaver and being a clean pair of hands.
He's no experience of course. Which right now is an advantage
Trouble is he looks and sounds like (and is) a Tory.
Speaking of caretakers, I'm reading The Alexiad, and was amused to learn that when Alexios went to fight Robert Guiscard he essentially left the Roman Empire to his mum.
Edited extra bit: if Labour weren't led by Corbyn, they'd have a thirty point lead now.
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
I am so sorry to hear this.
Could you get your doctor to say that you are not fit enough to assist your wife during the day? Might that help?
She already has said we need an o/h hoist. It's not so much to do with my fitness. It's just Lesleys condition makes repositioning difficult and no matter how fit the carer is there has to be two.
The council's solution involves extra care visits but as the wife's spasms ate completely unpredictable what time are they required.
I think my likely solution is hiring a hoist privately (£400 a month) but its just f*****ng frustrating.
As some would say H&S gone mad when the safest solution is deemed unsafe and the alternatives far less safe.
How could I put the liability for their solution back in their court???
Speaking of caretakers, I'm reading The Alexiad, and was amused to learn that when Alexios went to fight Robert Guiscard he essentially left the Roman Empire to his mum.
Edited extra bit: if Labour weren't led by Corbyn, they'd have a thirty point lead now.
This rumour that Priti was working under Theresa's instructions is amazing. If she's made to do the 'apologize and move on' thing, rather than be sacked, then I'll definitely smell a rat.
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Which would reveal that the Tory Party is incapable of agreeing on an MP to fill the role even as a caretaker. They cannot form a coherent government and a new leader will not change that.
Not really. To be a caretaker leader / PM you need to have sufficient experience and authority to be seen as credible in the job, while having no interest yourself in doing it for the long term. That inevitably means an elder statesman. On the Tory benches, there are very few former senior ministers, partly because of Labour's 13 years in office but also because of the speed with which Cameron, Osborne and Hague left the Commons. There's only really Clarke and he's unsuitable because of the European question.
But it would be much better if May were to be the caretaker PM if she were forced out or resigned as Con leader.
FWIW, Cameron is 300/1 and Osborne is 200/1 (neither of whom are in the Lords but that could be changed easily enough); Oddschecker doesn't quote odds for Hague.
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
Hope they can sort it out quicker than they currently propose.We have a disabled G daughter.The council have been great upto now sorting out my daughter's house.I guess they had time as it become increasing difficult to lift her as she grew older.Also my son in law is a strong bloke and could move her about safely.
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
I am so sorry to hear this.
Could you get your doctor to say that you are not fit enough to assist your wife during the day? Might that help?
She already has said we need an o/h hoist. It's not so much to do with my fitness. It's just Lesleys condition makes repositioning difficult and no matter how fit the carer is there has to be two.
The council's solution involves extra care visits but as the wife's spasms ate completely unpredictable what time are they required.
I think my likely solution is hiring a hoist privately (£400 a month) but its just f*****ng frustrating.
As some would say H&S gone mad when the safest solution is deemed unsafe and the alternatives far less safe.
How could I put the liability for their solution back in their court???
Can you phone for an ambulance if she falls out and you cannot help?
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
I am so sorry to hear this.
Could you get your doctor to say that you are not fit enough to assist your wife during the day? Might that help?
She already has said we need an o/h hoist. It's not so much to do with my fitness. It's just Lesleys condition makes repositioning difficult and no matter how fit the carer is there has to be two.
The council's solution involves extra care visits but as the wife's spasms ate completely unpredictable what time are they required.
I think my likely solution is hiring a hoist privately (£400 a month) but its just f*****ng frustrating.
As some would say H&S gone mad when the safest solution is deemed unsafe and the alternatives far less safe.
How could I put the liability for their solution back in their court???
This is turning into such an extraordinary news week, perhaps as much so as the more obvious weeks following the referendum and recent GEs. So many stories that could dominate the news cycle for 3-4 days that are whizzing by barely noticed like clouds on the jet stream.
The political sexual harassment storm resulting in a suspected suicide
The revelation that the security triage after the Arena bombing meant a total of 3 paramedics attended the bomb site itself in the first hour - there are the makings of a long running justice campaign in this if the coroner does not get things spot on.
The barely digested contents of the Paradise papers.
I didn't quite get why a lower ranking cabinet minister was getting the attention she was until reading the last half hour before the line. The journalists had an inkling, do you think?
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
That really doesn’t sound good. As suggested the other day, it’s probably time to get your MP involved now.
Done that this morning he is in Kenya but his office are taking it up.
Forget the fantasy about Hague or Howard (or Clarke who'd be my choice for caretaker). The next leader will be an MP. And given the absolute Omnishambles in the cabinet I still think the Moggmeister has a decent chance by means of looking and sounding like a Tory, being a leaver and being a clean pair of hands.
He's no experience of course. Which right now is an advantage
Trouble is he looks and sounds like (and is) a Tory.
That will not be a disadvantage when it comes to the vote amongst the Tory membership - a small band of ageing male dinosaurs who think the EU is the root of all evil and nothing good has happened since the 1950s.
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
I am so sorry to hear this.
Could you get your doctor to say that you are not fit enough to assist your wife during the day? Might that help?
She already has said we need an o/h hoist. It's not so much to do with my fitness. It's just Lesleys condition makes repositioning difficult and no matter how fit the carer is there has to be two.
The council's solution involves extra care visits but as the wife's spasms ate completely unpredictable what time are they required.
I think my likely solution is hiring a hoist privately (£400 a month) but its just f*****ng frustrating.
As some would say H&S gone mad when the safest solution is deemed unsafe and the alternatives far less safe.
How could I put the liability for their solution back in their court???
Very sorry to hear of your plight. I have no experience of this but is there any way you can get a person on the phone and try a "more in sorrow than anger" approach to their humanity?
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Which would reveal that the Tory Party is incapable of agreeing on an MP to fill the role even as a caretaker. They cannot form a coherent government and a new leader will not change that.
Not really. To be a caretaker leader / PM you need to have sufficient experience and authority to be seen as credible in the job, while having no interest yourself in doing it for the long term. That inevitably means an elder statesman. On the Tory benches, there are very few former senior ministers, partly because of Labour's 13 years in office but also because of the speed with which Cameron, Osborne and Hague left the Commons. There's only really Clarke and he's unsuitable because of the European question.
But it would be much better if May were to be the caretaker PM if she were forced out or resigned as Con leader.
FWIW, Cameron is 300/1 and Osborne is 200/1 (neither of whom are in the Lords but that could be changed easily enough); Oddschecker doesn't quote odds for Hague.
Looking at years served, Jeremy Hunt really should be an obvious contender for the position.
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Which would reveal that the Tory Party is incapable of agreeing on an MP to fill the role even as a caretaker. They cannot form a coherent government and a new leader will not change that.
Not really. To be a caretaker leader / PM you need to have sufficient experience and authority to be seen as credible in the job, while having no interest yourself in doing it for the long term. That inevitably means an elder statesman. On the Tory benches, there are very few former senior ministers, partly because of Labour's 13 years in office but also because of the speed with which Cameron, Osborne and Hague left the Commons. There's only really Clarke and he's unsuitable because of the European question.
But it would be much better if May were to be the caretaker PM if she were forced out or resigned as Con leader.
FWIW, Cameron is 300/1 and Osborne is 200/1 (neither of whom are in the Lords but that could be changed easily enough); Oddschecker doesn't quote odds for Hague.
Looking at years served, Jeremy Hunt really should be an obvious contender for the position.
This rumour that Priti was working under Theresa's instructions is amazing. If she's made to do the 'apologize and move on' thing, rather than be sacked, then I'll definitely smell a rat.
I smell some SPADS not wanting to bother Tezza with this - as we know, she can't handle off the cuff, unexpected events which require an imaginative response.
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Which would reveal that the Tory Party is incapable of agreeing on an MP to fill the role even as a caretaker. They cannot form a coherent government and a new leader will not change that.
Not really. To be a caretaker leader / PM you need to have sufficient experience and authority to be seen as credible in the job, while having no interest yourself in doing it for the long term. That inevitably means an elder statesman. On the Tory benches, there are very few former senior ministers, partly because of Labour's 13 years in office but also because of the speed with which Cameron, Osborne and Hague left the Commons. There's only really Clarke and he's unsuitable because of the European question.
But it would be much better if May were to be the caretaker PM if she were forced out or resigned as Con leader.
FWIW, Cameron is 300/1 and Osborne is 200/1 (neither of whom are in the Lords but that could be changed easily enough); Oddschecker doesn't quote odds for Hague.
Looking at years served, Jeremy Hunt really should be an obvious contender for the position.
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
Hope they can sort it out quicker than they currently propose.We have a disabled G daughter.The council have been great upto now sorting out my daughter's house.I guess they had time as it become increasing difficult to lift her as she grew older.Also my son in law is a strong bloke and could move her about safely.
Sorry to hear about your daughter but good the Council are doing their bit.
I contacted the Council on 20th September. Wrote a letter to our OTs boss on same day. Escalated to overall boss in early October then to Director level 2 weeks ago.To my MP and Chair of Adult Care Committee today.
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Which would reveal that the Tory Party is incapable of agreeing on an MP to fill the role even as a caretaker. They cannot form a coherent government and a new leader will not change that.
Not really. To be a caretaker leader / PM you need to have sufficient experience and authority to be seen as credible in the job, while having no interest yourself in doing it for the long term. That inevitably means an elder statesman. On the Tory benches, there are very few former senior ministers, partly because of Labour's 13 years in office but also because of the speed with which Cameron, Osborne and Hague left the Commons. There's only really Clarke and he's unsuitable because of the European question.
But it would be much better if May were to be the caretaker PM if she were forced out or resigned as Con leader.
FWIW, Cameron is 300/1 and Osborne is 200/1 (neither of whom are in the Lords but that could be changed easily enough); Oddschecker doesn't quote odds for Hague.
Looking at years served, Jeremy Hunt really should be an obvious contender for the position.
Hunt is a dark horse contender for the permanent position. Tory contests are usually won by candidates chosen for who they are not rather than who they are. There are few, if any, 'Anyone But Hunt' MPs, whereas there'd be plenty who'd say that of Boris, or Leadsom, or JRM. Davis too has shown enough questionable judgement to have sizable question marks against his name.
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Which would reveal that the Tory Party is incapable of agreeing on an MP to fill the role even as a caretaker. They cannot form a coherent government and a new leader will not change that.
Not really. To be a caretaker leader / PM you need to have sufficient experience and authority to be seen as credible in the job, while having no interest yourself in doing it for the long term. That inevitably means an elder statesman. On the Tory benches, there are very few former senior ministers, partly because of Labour's 13 years in office but also because of the speed with which Cameron, Osborne and Hague left the Commons. There's only really Clarke and he's unsuitable because of the European question.
But it would be much better if May were to be the caretaker PM if she were forced out or resigned as Con leader.
FWIW, Cameron is 300/1 and Osborne is 200/1 (neither of whom are in the Lords but that could be changed easily enough); Oddschecker doesn't quote odds for Hague.
Looking at years served, Jeremy Hunt really should be an obvious contender for the position.
Hunt is a dark horse contender for the permanent position. Tory contests are usually won by candidates chosen for who they are not rather than who they are. There are few, if any, 'Anyone But Hunt' MPs, whereas there'd be plenty who'd say that of Boris, or Leadsom, or JRM. Davis too has shown enough questionable judgement to have sizable question marks against his name.
FFS how do you convince the council that someone whose medical notes say she NEEDS an overhead hoist actually has to have one.
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
That really doesn’t sound good. As suggested the other day, it’s probably time to get your MP involved now.
Done that this morning he is in Kenya but his office are taking it up.
Best of luck, hopefully a call from the MP’s office to the relevant council manager will be a sufficient nudge, if only for the jobsworth who removed a vital piece of equipment without replacing it to return it to you until the permanent solution is installed.
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Which would reveal that the Tory Party is incapable of agreeing on an MP to fill the role even as a caretaker. They cannot form a coherent government and a new leader will not change that.
Not really. To be a caretaker leader / PM you need to have sufficient experience and authority to be seen as credible in the job, while having no interest yourself in doing it for the long term. That inevitably means an elder statesman. On the Tory benches, there are very few former senior ministers, partly because of Labour's 13 years in office but also because of the speed with which Cameron, Osborne and Hague left the Commons. There's only really Clarke and he's unsuitable because of the European question.
But it would be much better if May were to be the caretaker PM if she were forced out or resigned as Con leader.
FWIW, Cameron is 300/1 and Osborne is 200/1 (neither of whom are in the Lords but that could be changed easily enough); Oddschecker doesn't quote odds for Hague.
Looking at years served, Jeremy Hunt really should be an obvious contender for the position.
Hunt is a dark horse contender for the permanent position. Tory contests are usually won by candidates chosen for who they are not rather than who they are. There are few, if any, 'Anyone But Hunt' MPs, whereas there'd be plenty who'd say that of Boris, or Leadsom, or JRM. Davis too has shown enough questionable judgement to have sizable question marks against his name.
Hunt could really do with 3-6 months in another department first.
If May does go over this, imminently, would that mean she actually departs very swiftly, or hang on for the leadership election?
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
The caretaker is whoever's fit for it. In many ways, it's an advantage to have someone mind the shop who cannot be PM in the long term: it means they don't become an alternative power base.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
Which would reveal that the Tory Party is incapable of agreeing on an MP to fill the role even as a caretaker. They cannot form a coherent government and a new leader will not change that.
Not really. To be a caretaker leader / PM you need to have sufficient experience and authority to be seen as credible in the job, while having no interest yourself in doing it for the long term. That inevitably means an elder statesman. On the Tory benches, there are very few former senior ministers, partly because of Labour's 13 years in office but also because of the speed with which Cameron, Osborne and Hague left the Commons. There's only really Clarke and he's unsuitable because of the European question.
But it would be much better if May were to be the caretaker PM if she were forced out or resigned as Con leader.
FWIW, Cameron is 300/1 and Osborne is 200/1 (neither of whom are in the Lords but that could be changed easily enough); Oddschecker doesn't quote odds for Hague.
Looking at years served, Jeremy Hunt really should be an obvious contender for the position.
Hunt is a dark horse contender for the permanent position. Tory contests are usually won by candidates chosen for who they are not rather than who they are. There are few, if any, 'Anyone But Hunt' MPs, whereas there'd be plenty who'd say that of Boris, or Leadsom, or JRM. Davis too has shown enough questionable judgement to have sizable question marks against his name.
Hunt is vanilla to John Major's grey. Exactly the kind of boring, sensible, pragmatic, centrist that doesn't cut in today's world. Hunt's best bet is to get it as caretaker and stick around.
@JasonGroves1: Govt sources flatly deny @JewishChron claim that Priti Patel was asked to withhold details of secret Israeli meetings. The sack beckons
If true end of Priti
They have to deny it. The alternative is a PM resignation event: "hands up, I told the SoS to lie about controversial meetings, but you got me..." isn't really a statement you can carry on from. I wonder how deniable the JC's sources are, and whether we will get an on the record denial or just "government sources" briefing unofficially plus official obfuscation.
Comments
https://order-order.com/2017/11/08/libdem-women-write-cable-accusing-party-covering-sexual-assaults/
Edit: Or there on behalf of the PM's investments.
"see you, you are a fucking omnishambles, that's what you are. You're like that coffee machine, you know, "From bean to cup, you fuck up.". Followed by the Nicola Murray politically hanging herself on the train stunt thats been posted several times.
The one problem with Iannouchi's scripts. His ideas of satire have all come true. He needed to be more extreme.
edit: so not very "private" visit
Normally it'd be the latter, but she clearly would be happier out of it. Yet, the seeming caretaker would be Green.
This is clearly an insult to both poundshop and to Gordon.
That said, I still wouldn't pick Green. Someone in the Lords would be better.
IF TMay is drawn into this, either because she actually allowed Patel to have the meetings, or tried to hide the extra meetings, then I cannot see her continuing. A stronger leader would have taken the hit and moved on.
I used to think that TMay should wait and take the Brexit hit and let another leader take over. However, she has been so fatally wounded by GE2017 it is causing ongoing harm, and then allowing stunts like this to be pulled? Crazy. The only way she would survive is by acting as strong and stable as possible, and she as done the reverse of that.
However, if this is all Patel's doing, and TMay is not involved and just sacks her, then she will continue. For now. Whether that's a good thing is another matter.
Also, 'sister' would be more accurate.
Mr. Herdson, Hague?
Plenty of time to start a leadership race though.
Where's Dorrell, Lilley and Ancram?
They accept the fact and are putting up ceiling tracking at some point in next 12 weeks in the meantime the gantry overhead one is deemed a risk and they have taken it away..
Why can't they see that not having it is a much bigger risk given her sole carer (me) cant operate a manual one single handedly.
They seem to think that 2 properly trained council carers are required for the manual one at 10am and 8pm but during the day when she spasms and falls off her powerchair one untrained operative (me) is safe
As I say FFS
He was, but it was supposed to be that he asked a former assistant to do weird stuff, but his former assistant immediately came out and say he was a wonderful boss and it was all total bullshit.
Given she no longer works for him, and the (untrue) allegation was that she complained, it would seem she has no reason to defend him in this manner.
The "list" has already been found to contain provable false claims.
Could you get your doctor to say that you are not fit enough to assist your wife during the day? Might that help?
Of course it's also an open question whether the Conservative party now exists as a sufficiently disciplined entity to make a single coherent choice about any matter, including how to act in Parliamentary votes when in opposition.
Hope that's not Anti Semitic
He's no experience of course. Which right now is an advantage
Edited extra bit: if Labour weren't led by Corbyn, they'd have a thirty point lead now.
The council's solution involves extra care visits but as the wife's spasms ate completely unpredictable what time are they required.
I think my likely solution is hiring a hoist privately (£400 a month) but its just f*****ng frustrating.
As some would say H&S gone mad when the safest solution is deemed unsafe and the alternatives far less safe.
How could I put the liability for their solution back in their court???
But it would be much better if May were to be the caretaker PM if she were forced out or resigned as Con leader.
FWIW, Cameron is 300/1 and Osborne is 200/1 (neither of whom are in the Lords but that could be changed easily enough); Oddschecker doesn't quote odds for Hague.
Can you phone for an ambulance if she falls out and you cannot help?
The political sexual harassment storm resulting in a suspected suicide
The revelation that the security triage after the Arena bombing meant a total of 3 paramedics attended the bomb site itself in the first hour - there are the makings of a long running justice campaign in this if the coroner does not get things spot on.
The barely digested contents of the Paradise papers.
I didn't quite get why a lower ranking cabinet minister was getting the attention she was until reading the last half hour before the line. The journalists had an inkling, do you think?
*nods fervently*
British aid for the IDF.....is she completely loopy?
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/07/04/jeremy-hunt-is-clearly-on-manoeuvres-and-hes-also-1001-to-be-next-tory-leader/
My instinct would be first to push for a firm date for the proper installation and then ask for a mitigation to get you to that point.
I contacted the Council on 20th September. Wrote a letter to our OTs boss on same day. Escalated to overall boss in early October then to Director level 2 weeks ago.To my MP and Chair of Adult Care Committee today.