While I still hold most officers in great esteem, I recall it being the Plebgate affair that really showed how petty some officers can be. The one who wrote a fake letter pretending to be a random witness there with their nephew (but sent in putting last names in ALL CAPS just like a police statement IIRC), and the chaps from the Police Federation who flat out lied about what Mitchell had told them in a meeting so they could use it as an excuse to call for him to resign (as I recall they said he'd denied saying pleb but refused to say what he had said, when in fact he had told them, and had it on tape to prove it).
That a judge ruled he probably did say pleb really ended up being pretty immaterial, given the lies.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
If the good folk of Ashford are appalled at the thought of having an MP who has watched porn, then they can sack him at the next election.
I don't care about Damien Green having porn on his computer. So what if it's "extreme" - how do you define that? As long as it's not illegal it's not our business
The point is the government he's a member of attempted to do just that and make it illegal. Which is I guess why it appears in an historic allegation to spice it up. To add an hypocrisy angle.
Do we have evidence the porn he watched is going to be made illegal?
Even if it was this was of course 9 years ago and you cannot break a law retrospectively.
I don't care about Damien Green having porn on his computer. So what if it's "extreme" - how do you define that? As long as it's not illegal it's not our business
A legal definition was posted some posts ago in this thread. I was shocked they actually have a legal definition of what extreme porn is.
Obviously he shouldn't resign over this.
Why do you think he shouldn't resign Apocalypse? If he did download porn to a parliamentary PC then I think he should resign. I suspect many Tory part members would think so too.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
I don't care about Damien Green having porn on his computer. So what if it's "extreme" - how do you define that? As long as it's not illegal it's not our business
A legal definition was posted some posts ago in this thread. I was shocked they actually have a legal definition of what extreme porn is.
Obviously he shouldn't resign over this.
You were shocked? Check out Sex and Censorship blog.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
I suspect the papers will tell us over the coming days and weeks.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
I once saw a guy watching porn in the middle of the office. He thought he was sitting in a corner but I could see what he was doing through an internal window.
Peoples stupidity knows no bounds.
I work on the assumption that everything I do on my work computer is being recorded.
I don't care about Damien Green having porn on his computer. So what if it's "extreme" - how do you define that? As long as it's not illegal it's not our business
A legal definition was posted some posts ago in this thread. I was shocked they actually have a legal definition of what extreme porn is.
Obviously he shouldn't resign over this.
Why do you think he shouldn't resign Apocalypse? If he did download porn to a parliamentary PC then I think he should resign. I suspect many Tory part members would think so too.
Well, I was thinking of it more from a POV that it's silly to resign over watching porn. But that said, as you say if it was on a work PC, then he may end up resigning because it is something most people would get dismissed for in the real world.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
I suspect the papers will tell us over the coming days and weeks.
If that really ends up the level of this, perhaps MPs aren't as out of touch with the general populous as most people think.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
Not sure about "always". I used to know staff on the network servers at a big pharma company back in the 1990s - they told me that more than half the external staff accesses in those days were to sex-related sites, though not all of them porn (which in those days was mostly textual rather than graphic, I think). I came across a team member myself viewing potential matches on a gay website in his lunchbreak - he was mildly embarassed, but I shrugged it off as legal activity, just like me reading a newspaper in my break.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
If the good folk of Ashford are appalled at the thought of having an MP who has watched porn, then they can sack him at the next election.
Agreed, and I wouldn't expect him to resign as an MP but I doubt he can continue as Deputy PM if he cannot swiftly dismiss these claims.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
I once saw a guy watching porn in the middle of the office. He thought he was sitting in a corner but I could see what he was doing through an internal window.
Peoples stupidity knows no bounds.
I work on the assumption that everything I do on my work computer is being recorded.
I've sat opposite a professional looking chap on a train who had his feet up on the aisle seat and back against the window who clearly hadn't realised that at night the window is basically a mirror.
After two months of marriage, I can report than I am still deliriously and blissfully in love with my beautiful, funny, sexy, 22 year old wife, who somehow finds me attractive in return (or so she says).
Who knew? We have developed such a telepathy that when we are apart we wake, in the middle of the night, at exactly the same time, and email each other, only to find that the other was simultaneously emailing us back.
It is odd. It is love. It is very nice. Life goes on, and not always in a bad way. Enough of this tedious political depressiveness.
Excellent news. Britain is suitably cheered.
How much longer before we can all have celebratory street parties?
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
If the good folk of Ashford are appalled at the thought of having an MP who has watched porn, then they can sack him at the next election.
Agreed, and I wouldn't expect him to resign as an MP but I doubt he can continue as Deputy PM if he cannot swiftly dismiss these claims.
Since the allegation long predates his becoming DPM, I don't see what the issue is.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
I once saw a guy watching porn in the middle of the office. He thought he was sitting in a corner but I could see what he was doing through an internal window.
Peoples stupidity knows no bounds.
I work on the assumption that everything I do on my work computer is being recorded.
Very wise. I know that everything I send or access to and from my office laptop is being recorded, and there are bots on our network looking for naughty stuff.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
If the good folk of Ashford are appalled at the thought of having an MP who has watched porn, then they can sack him at the next election.
Agreed, and I wouldn't expect him to resign as an MP but I doubt he can continue as Deputy PM if he cannot swiftly dismiss these claims.
Since the allegation long predates his becoming DPM, I don't see what the issue is.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
I once saw a guy watching porn in the middle of the office. He thought he was sitting in a corner but I could see what he was doing through an internal window.
Peoples stupidity knows no bounds.
I work on the assumption that everything I do on my work computer is being recorded.
Very wise. I know that everything I send or access to and from my office laptop is being recorded, and there are bots on our network looking for naughty stuff.
Everything is heavily screened at my work, including emails for certain words/phrases e.g. as we do Safeguarding work, the word 'secret' flags up, which always annoys the IT team when its secret Santa time.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
Not sure about "always". I used to know staff on the network servers at a big pharma company back in the 1990s - they told me that more than half the external staff accesses in those days were to sex-related sites, though not all of them porn (which in those days was mostly textual rather than graphic, I think). I came across a team member myself viewing potential matches on a gay website in his lunchbreak - he was mildly embarassed, but I shrugged it off as legal activity, just like me reading a newspaper in my break.
I expect it's different now!
It is! Nowadays most employers prohibit accessing porn, gambling and social media sites like youtube and facebook. Using company IT to view or download porn would be gross misconduct, and therefore dismissable.
I don't care about Damien Green having porn on his computer. So what if it's "extreme" - how do you define that? As long as it's not illegal it's not our business
The point is the government he's a member of attempted to do just that and make it illegal. Which is I guess why it appears in an historic allegation to spice it up. To add an hypocrisy angle.
Do we have evidence the porn he watched is going to be made illegal?
Even if it was this was of course 9 years ago and you cannot break a law retrospectively.
I haven't said he did have porn. In fact I've pointed out the Sunday Times piece it's self doesn't say he did. It's very careful to leave open the possibility it was a member of his staff's computer.
On retroactive legislation the Coalition used it to legalise it's past actions rather than pay back Benefits to JSA claimants a court ruled had been wrongly sanctioned. An appalling precedent and only one step away from retroactive legislation to make something illegal.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
It was a brilliant drama regardless of Spacey's personal life and Netflix's biggest cash cow and also won multiple Emmys so that is not going to be changed.
There will still be a final series focusing on Claire Underwood.
I work on the assumption that everything I do on my work computer is being recorded.
Very wise. I know that everything I send or access to and from my office laptop is being recorded, and there are bots on our network looking for naughty stuff.
Here's a genuine question. I frequently work weekends (see posts here passim for my irritation about this) and check the company emails each day via a personal tablet and an app. I have just bought a new laptop and at some point in the new year I will be placed under pressure to provide support from home and logging in remotely to the work servers via a VPN. So the chain goes 1) my laptop, 2) VPN, 3) work servers. Is my laptop still a personal laptop (I bought it, I own it) or a work laptop (I use it to run programs on the work servers)?
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
I once saw a guy watching porn in the middle of the office. He thought he was sitting in a corner but I could see what he was doing through an internal window.
Peoples stupidity knows no bounds.
I work on the assumption that everything I do on my work computer is being recorded.
Very wise. I know that everything I send or access to and from my office laptop is being recorded, and there are bots on our network looking for naughty stuff.
Everything is heavily screened at my work, including emails for certain words/phrases e.g. as we do Safeguarding work, the word 'secret' flags up, which always annoys the IT team when its secret Santa time.
At the school I teach at we have similar filters. This annoys the biologists, the psychologists and those teaching PSHCE (or at least those teaching what used to be called sex ed).
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
Not sure about "always". I used to know staff on the network servers at a big pharma company back in the 1990s - they told me that more than half the external staff accesses in those days were to sex-related sites, though not all of them porn (which in those days was mostly textual rather than graphic, I think). I came across a team member myself viewing potential matches on a gay website in his lunchbreak - he was mildly embarassed, but I shrugged it off as legal activity, just like me reading a newspaper in my break.
I expect it's different now!
It is! Nowadays most employers prohibit accessing porn, gambling and social media sites like youtube and facebook. Using company IT to view or download porn would be gross misconduct, and therefore dismissable.
PB usually gets through my work's network (I don't use a work device, but sometimes you run out of data, and I refer to the network that is for the public to use, there being a public cafe, lobby and library, so it is alright) only via the vanilla forums, but I think when profanity is used it causes an issue. It's usually a good signal certain posters are online.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
I once saw a guy watching porn in the middle of the office. He thought he was sitting in a corner but I could see what he was doing through an internal window.
Peoples stupidity knows no bounds.
I work on the assumption that everything I do on my work computer is being recorded.
Very wise. I know that everything I send or access to and from my office laptop is being recorded, and there are bots on our network looking for naughty stuff.
A colleague used to manage a team in a local authority, one of whom was suspected of time fraud (ie not working the full hours he was being for). Apparantly everything he did on his computer was being monitored.
You can't be too cautious. That said, given how easy it is now to browse the internet on personal devices, I wonder if the approach is a bit outdated.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
He has made a splash it seems, in a short time, not to mention being about 5 decades younger than any one else to practically run the place in a long time, which must be a culture shock to plenty of people.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
If the good folk of Ashford are appalled at the thought of having an MP who has watched porn, then they can sack him at the next election.
Agreed, and I wouldn't expect him to resign as an MP but I doubt he can continue as Deputy PM if he cannot swiftly dismiss these claims.
Since the allegation long predates his becoming DPM, I don't see what the issue is.
The issue is possible use of taxpayer-funded IT to download porn. If Green used personal IT resources then that's fine. If he used parliamentary computers & networks then he has some explaining to do.
Ok thanks - that would be good news I guess... Though if you have to lock people up without charge to liberalise the country, it sounds a bit less promising.
I don't care about Damien Green having porn on his computer. So what if it's "extreme" - how do you define that? As long as it's not illegal it's not our business
The point is the government he's a member of attempted to do just that and make it illegal. Which is I guess why it appears in an historic allegation to spice it up. To add an hypocrisy angle.
Do we have evidence the porn he watched is going to be made illegal?
Even if it was this was of course 9 years ago and you cannot break a law retrospectively.
I haven't said he did have porn. In fact I've pointed out the Sunday Times piece it's self doesn't say he did. It's very careful to leave open the possibility it was a member of his staff's computer.
On retroactive legislation the Coalition used it to legalise it's past actions rather than pay back Benefits to JSA claimants a court ruled had been wrongly sanctioned. An appalling precedent and only one step away from retroactive legislation to make something illegal.
It was ruled 'illegal' largely because it was supposedly a 'disproportionate' sanction for failing to make enough effort to seek work, not because there was no requirement to seek work when claiming benefits at the time.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
It was a brilliant drama regardless of Spacey's personal life and Netflix's biggest cash cow and also won multiple Emmys so that is not going to be changed.
There will still be a final series focusing on Claire Underwood.
And she is good, though I find slightly overhyped, and I'm not sure how the dynamic will really work with Spacey completely gone, rather than merely taking a back seat.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
I'm in the same boat as you.
Just spare a thought for those of us for whom one of their favourite childhood shows was 'Jim'll Fix It!'
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
If the good folk of Ashford are appalled at the thought of having an MP who has watched porn, then they can sack him at the next election.
Agreed, and I wouldn't expect him to resign as an MP but I doubt he can continue as Deputy PM if he cannot swiftly dismiss these claims.
Since the allegation long predates his becoming DPM, I don't see what the issue is.
That would seem reasonable. 'Years ago I downloaded porn onto a work laptop in violation of IT policy. I am therefore resigning as DPM' Really? As has been noted it is a sackable offence for us non elected folk and fair enough, but I'l turn around a point that has been made re Fallon - in his resignation he said he'd fallen short and so had to resign as a minister, so many rightfully asked what about his falling short was ok for him to remain as MP then? Since most people seem to be saying the Green should not have to resign as an MP even though what he did would have been wrong, why is it something he would have to resign as DPM over, if it wasn't even something he did while he was DPM?
If he's done it, he did wrong, but while doing wrong deserves punishment generally, it has to be proportionate, and it feels like if this is all there is only his local electorate or party are in a position to impose any proportionate punishment.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
I'm in the same boat as you.
Just spare a thought for those of us for whom one of their favourite childhood shows was 'Jim'll Fix It!'
I think those with the Jim Fixed It For Me medals are in an even more awkward position.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
Ok thanks - that would be good news I guess... Though if you have to lock people up without charge to liberalise the country, it sounds a bit less promising.
These things can be highly specialised I'd guess. China is keen to be more open in some ways, more involved in the world, more financially flexible, but they aren't planning to reduce party control in any way, quite the reverse. Without knowing anything much about Saudi Arabia, I'd guess there are probably plenty in the ruling elite who want to liberalise plenty of things, without releasing their grip on power in any way if they can help it.
Out of interest (as I work for myself), do people really get the sack from work for violation of IT policy...or do companies use it as the ultimate sanction and for a first offense they are told in no uncertain terms this is not ok, do not do it again?
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
If the good folk of Ashford are appalled at the thought of having an MP who has watched porn, then they can sack him at the next election.
Agreed, and I wouldn't expect him to resign as an MP but I doubt he can continue as Deputy PM if he cannot swiftly dismiss these claims.
Since the allegation long predates his becoming DPM, I don't see what the issue is.
That would seem reasonable. 'Years ago I downloaded porn onto a work laptop in violation of IT policy. I am therefore resigning as DPM' Really? As has been noted it is a sackable offence for us non elected folk and fair enough, but I'l turn around a point that has been made re Fallon - in his resignation he said he'd fallen short and so had to resign as a minister, so many rightfully asked what about his falling short was ok for him to remain as MP then? Since most people seem to be saying the Green should not have to resign as an MP even though what he did would have been wrong, why is it something he would have to resign as DPM over, if it wasn't even something he did while he was DPM?
If he's done it, he did wrong, but while doing wrong deserves punishment generally, it has to be proportionate, and it feels like if this is all there is only his local electorate or party are in a position to impose any proportionate punishment.
Yep. It was NINE years ago when he was an opposition MP.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
It was a brilliant drama regardless of Spacey's .
And she is good, though I find slightly overhyped, and I'm not sure how the dynamic will really work with Spacey completely gone, rather than merely taking a back seat.
I expect she will probably have had him assassinated (fatally this time) in the beginning of the 1st episode.
If I was the writers I would open the final series at his state funeral and see how the ratings do with her alone at the helm before deciding whether to kill it off for good or not.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
Not sure about "always". I used to know staff on the network servers at a big pharma company back in the 1990s - they told me that more than half the external staff accesses in those days were to sex-related sites, though not all of them porn (which in those days was mostly textual rather than graphic, I think). I came across a team member myself viewing potential matches on a gay website in his lunchbreak - he was mildly embarassed, but I shrugged it off as legal activity, just like me reading a newspaper in my break.
I expect it's different now!
It is! Nowadays most employers prohibit accessing porn, gambling and social media sites like youtube and facebook. Using company IT to view or download porn would be gross misconduct, and therefore dismissable.
PB usually gets through my work's network (I don't use a work device, but sometimes you run out of data, and I refer to the network that is for the public to use, there being a public cafe, lobby and library, so it is alright) only via the vanilla forums, but I think when profanity is used it causes an issue. It's usually a good signal certain posters are online.
Yes I can get in to PB at work as well but streaming sites are blocked and I wouldn't dream of trying to access porn or online gambling as these are specifically prohibited in our IT policy.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
Out of interest (as I work for myself), do people really get the sack from work for violation of IT policy...or do companies use it as the ultimate sanction and for a first offense they are told in no uncertain terms this is not ok, do not do it again?
For downloading porn? I'd guess probably sacking on first offence, not least because clearly the person doing it is an idiot you don't want working for you anyway. Other violations, probably not.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
I'm in the same boat as you.
Just spare a thought for those of us for whom one of their favourite childhood shows was 'Jim'll Fix It!'
I think those with the Jim Fixed It For Me medals are in an even more awkward position.
I expect Ebay got a lot of business after the revelations emerged certainly.
Sunday Times, Tory MP Andrew Bridgen goes on the record saying he reported concerns about the behaviour of fellow backbencher Dan Poulter to the whips in 2010 – but claims he was ignored. Bridgen says he informed whips of comments made by female colleagues alleging Poulter put his hand up skirts. Bridgen has now reported Poulter using the new complaints procedure and an investigation is underway. Poulter denies the allegations.
Out of interest (as I work for myself), do people really get the sack from work for violation of IT policy...or do companies use it as the ultimate sanction and for a first offense they are told in no uncertain terms this is not ok, do not do it again?
I've seen three cases of instant dismissal amongst colleagues.
One was when I worked for a major Telecoms company (guy watching porn on work PC in the office, late 90s).
Other two working in Education in the Noughties, again watching porn on work laptop, both in work time. One was in a senior post and was escorted from the premises by HR. The other had a string of other issues as well, so wound up not only getting sacked but struck off.
Can those who wrote at length about the preposterousness of Fallon quitting now hang their heads in shame
I believe nearly everyone who suggested that caveated it with 'if [the existing known allegations] were all there was', so who needs to hang their head? There is now more, and it makes total sense given otherwise he would have resigned very easily indeed, but condemnation was withheld until more was known. Scandalous.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
Not sure about "always". I used to know staff on the network servers at a big pharma company back in the 1990s - they told me that more than half the external staff accesses in those days were to sex-related sites, though not all of them porn (which in those days was mostly textual rather than graphic, I think). I came across a team member myself viewing potential matches on a gay website in his lunchbreak - he was mildly embarassed, but I shrugged it off as legal activity, just like me reading a newspaper in my break.
I expect it's different now!
It is! Nowadays most employers prohibit accessing porn, gambling and social media sites like youtube and facebook. Using company IT to view or download porn would be gross misconduct, and therefore dismissable.
PB usually gets through my work's network (I don't use a work device, but sometimes you run out of data, and I refer to the network that is for the public to use, there being a public cafe, lobby and library, so it is alright) only via the vanilla forums, but I think when profanity is used it causes an issue. It's usually a good signal certain posters are online.
Yes I can get in to PB at work as well but streaming sites are blocked and I wouldn't dream of trying to access porn or online gambling as these are specifically prohibited in our IT policy.
I don't access PB on my work computer as it would be regarded as a gambling site. There is a restriction on gambling sites along with (obviously) pornography. I never log in to personal social media accounts on my work computer. I use it to look at news, and sometimes to order stuff online, checking opening times etc.
Out of interest (as I work for myself), do people really get the sack from work for violation of IT policy...or do companies use it as the ultimate sanction and for a first offense they are told in no uncertain terms this is not ok, do not do it again?
Viewing porn would generally be gross misconduct and therefore sackable. In practice, if the person concerned was a good employee, you would probably give someone a severe bollocking on the first occasion and only sack them if they repeated the offence.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
Not sure about "always". I used to know staff on the network servers at a big pharma company back in the 1990s - they told me that more than half the external staff accesses in those days were to sex-related sites, though not all of them porn (which in those days was mostly textual rather than graphic, I think). I came across a team member myself viewing potential matches on a gay website in his lunchbreak - he was mildly embarassed, but I shrugged it off as legal activity, just like me reading a newspaper in my break.
I expect it's different now!
It is! Nowadays most employers prohibit accessing porn, gambling and social media sites like youtube and facebook. Using company IT to view or download porn would be gross misconduct, and therefore dismissable.
PB usually gets through my work's network (I don't use a work device, but sometimes you run out of data, and I refer to the network that is for the public to use, there being a public cafe, lobby and library, so it is alright) only via the vanilla forums, but I think when profanity is used it causes an issue. It's usually a good signal certain posters are online.
Yes I can get in to PB at work as well but streaming sites are blocked and I wouldn't dream of trying to access porn or online gambling as these are specifically prohibited in our IT policy.
I don't access PB on my work computer as it would be regarded as a gambling site. There is a restriction on gambling sites along with (obviously) pornography. I never log in to personal social media accounts on my work computer. I use it to look at news, and sometimes to order stuff online, checking opening times etc.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
Sunday Times, Tory MP Andrew Bridgen goes on the record saying he reported concerns about the behaviour of fellow backbencher Dan Poulter to the whips in 2010 – but claims he was ignored. Bridgen says he informed whips of comments made by female colleagues alleging Poulter put his hand up skirts. Bridgen has now reported Poulter using the new complaints procedure and an investigation is underway. Poulter denies the allegations.
Brigden, of course, has had his own brush with sexual assault allegataions back in 2011 (though they were retracted shortly afterwards)
Reporting comments made by others seems a circuitous route to doing things. Why didn't he strongly encourage his female colleagues to make the allegations directly?
Poulter - it is right that he is being investigated. But this all looks very odd to me.
Out of interest (as I work for myself), do people really get the sack from work for violation of IT policy...or do companies use it as the ultimate sanction and for a first offense they are told in no uncertain terms this is not ok, do not do it again?
Viewing porn would generally be gross misconduct and therefore sackable. In practice, if the person concerned was a good employee, you would probably give someone a severe bollocking on the first occasion and only sack them if they repeated the offence.
My only experience was many moons ago and as I said down thread the employee was sent to Coventry for 6 months.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
Not sure about "always". I used to know staff on the network servers at a big pharma company back in the 1990s - they told me that more than half the external staff accesses in those days were to sex-related sites, though not all of them porn (which in those days was mostly textual rather than graphic, I think). I came across a team member myself viewing potential matches on a gay website in his lunchbreak - he was mildly embarassed, but I shrugged it off as legal activity, just like me reading a newspaper in my break.
I expect it's different now!
It is! Nowadays most employers prohibit accessing porn, gambling and social media sites like youtube and facebook. Using company IT to view or download porn would be gross misconduct, and therefore dismissable.
PB usually gets through my work's network (I don't use a work device, but sometimes you run out of data, and I refer to the network that is for the public to use, there being a public cafe, lobby and library, so it is alright) only via the vanilla forums, but I think when profanity is used it causes an issue. It's usually a good signal certain posters are online.
Yes I can get in to PB at work as well but streaming sites are blocked and I wouldn't dream of trying to access porn or online gambling as these are specifically prohibited in our IT policy.
I don't access PB on my work computer as it would be regarded as a gambling site. There is a restriction on gambling sites along with (obviously) pornography. I never log in to personal social media accounts on my work computer. I use it to look at news, and sometimes to order stuff online, checking opening times etc.
I just use smartphone for PB in my lunchhour
I access all kinds of sites from my work computer, principally PB, Facebook, political and literary, but that's one of the perks of having your own business.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
Not sure about "always". I used to know staff on the network servers at a big pharma company back in the 1990s - they told me that more than half the external staff accesses in those days were to sex-related sites, though not all of them porn (which in those days was mostly textual rather than graphic, I think). I came across a team member myself viewing potential matches on a gay website in his lunchbreak - he was mildly embarassed, but I shrugged it off as legal activity, just like me reading a newspaper in my break.
I expect it's different now!
It is! Nowadays most employers prohibit accessing porn, gambling and social media sites like youtube and facebook. Using company IT to view or download porn would be gross misconduct, and therefore dismissable.
PB usually gets through my work's network (I don't use a work device, but sometimes you run out of data, and I refer to the network that is for the public to use, there being a public cafe, lobby and library, so it is alright) only via the vanilla forums, but I think when profanity is used it causes an issue. It's usually a good signal certain posters are online.
Yes I can get in to PB at work as well but streaming sites are blocked and I wouldn't dream of trying to access porn or online gambling as these are specifically prohibited in our IT policy.
I don't access PB on my work computer as it would be regarded as a gambling site. There is a restriction on gambling sites along with (obviously) pornography. I never log in to personal social media accounts on my work computer. I use it to look at news, and sometimes to order stuff online, checking opening times etc.
I just use smartphone for PB in my lunchhour
Personally I only discuss non work topics with those who are off the work premises and via a personal semaphore system, but getting the flag signals right can be problematic. Good for a work out though.
Out of interest (as I work for myself), do people really get the sack from work for violation of IT policy...or do companies use it as the ultimate sanction and for a first offense they are told in no uncertain terms this is not ok, do not do it again?
I've never known anyone to have got in trouble for breaching the IT acceptable use policy. I think it is more likely that they would use it if they were going after you for other reasons.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
I'm in the same boat as you.
.....and not American Beauty?
Maybe it's a preferred genre thing, but I'd put those other two above American Beauty any day. (Not that I'm even a huge fan of Se7en)
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
Not sure about "always". I used to know staff on the network servers at a big pharma company back in the 1990s - they told me that more than half the external staff accesses in those days were to sex-related sites, though not all of them porn (which in those days was mostly textual rather than graphic, I think). I came across a team member myself viewing potential matches on a gay website in his lunchbreak - he was mildly embarassed, but I shrugged it off as legal activity, just like me reading a newspaper in my break.
I expect it's different now!
It is! Nowadays most employers prohibit accessing porn, gambling and social media sites like youtube and facebook. Using company IT to view or download porn would be gross misconduct, and therefore dismissable.
PB usually gets through my work's network (I don't use a work device, but sometimes you run out of data, and I refer to the network that is for the public to use, there being a public cafe, lobby and library, so it is alright) only via the vanilla forums, but I think when profanity is used it causes an issue. It's usually a good signal certain posters are online.
Yes I can get in to PB at work as well but streaming sites are blocked and I wouldn't dream of trying to access porn or online gambling as these are specifically prohibited in our IT policy.
I don't access PB on my work computer as it would be regarded as a gambling site. There is a restriction on gambling sites along with (obviously) pornography. I never log in to personal social media accounts on my work computer. I use it to look at news, and sometimes to order stuff online, checking opening times etc.
I just use smartphone for PB in my lunchhour
I access all kinds of sites from my work computer, principally PB, Facebook, political and literary, but that's one of the perks of having your own business.
I think I would have a terrible shock if I every returned to a traditional employment. I regularly work with youtube / tv channels running, gambling sites up and of course pb.
I am currently technically working with MMA on my big tv that sits over my desk, PB and a load of code on my monitors.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
I'm in the same boat as you.
.....and not American Beauty?
The Usual Suspects and Se7en were brilliant, but I found the latter so harrowing, I never want to see it again.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
Not sure about "always". I used to know staff on the network servers at a big pharma company back in the 1990s - they told me that more than half the external staff accesses in those days were to sex-related sites, though not all of them porn (which in those days was mostly textual rather than graphic, I think). I came across a team member myself viewing potential matches on a gay website in his lunchbreak - he was mildly embarassed, but I shrugged it off as legal activity, just like me reading a newspaper in my break.
I expect it's different now!
It is! Nowadays most employers prohibit accessing porn, gambling and social media sites like youtube and facebook. Using company IT to view or download porn would be gross misconduct, and therefore dismissable.
PB usually gets through my work's network (I don't use a work device, but sometimes you run out of data, and I refer to the network that is for the public to use, there being a public cafe, lobby and library, so it is alright) only via the vanilla forums, but I think when profanity is used it causes an issue. It's usually a good signal certain posters are online.
Yes I can get in to PB at work as well but streaming sites are blocked and I wouldn't dream of trying to access porn or online gambling as these are specifically prohibited in our IT policy.
I don't access PB on my work computer as it would be regarded as a gambling site. There is a restriction on gambling sites along with (obviously) pornography. I never log in to personal social media accounts on my work computer. I use it to look at news, and sometimes to order stuff online, checking opening times etc.
I just use smartphone for PB in my lunchhour
I access all kinds of sites from my work computer, principally PB, Facebook, political and literary, but that's one of the perks of having your own business.
True enough, although as you are principally responsible for your own wages it does add to the incentive not to spend too much time on them.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
I'm in the same boat as you.
.....and not American Beauty?
I adore American Beauty.
But the twists in both The Usual Supects and Se7en and brilliance of John Doe's evilness put The Usual Suspects and Se7en ahead of it.
Lester Burnham was sympathetic, Keyser Soze and John Doe weren't.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
I'm in the same boat as you.
.....and not American Beauty?
Maybe it's a preferred genre thing, but I'd put those other two above American Beauty any day. (Not that I'm even a huge fan of Se7en)
I liked Seven and Usual Suspects but neither as much as American Beauty..Let's face it the man's a huge talent. Release Barabbas!!
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
Not sure about "always". I used to know staff on the network servers at a big pharma company back in the 1990s - they told me that more than half the external staff accesses in those days were to sex-related sites, though not all of them porn (which in those days was mostly textual rather than graphic, I think). I came across a team member myself viewing potential matches on a gay website in his lunchbreak - he was mildly embarassed, but I shrugged it off as legal activity, just like me reading a newspaper in my break.
I expect it's different now!
It is! Nowadays most employers prohibit accessing porn, gambling and social media sites like youtube and facebook. Using company IT to view or download porn would be gross misconduct, and therefore dismissable.
PB usually gets through my work's network (I don't use a work device, but sometimes you run out of data, and I refer to the network that is for the public to use, there being a public cafe, lobby and library, so it is alright) only via the vanilla forums, but I think when profanity is used it causes an issue. It's usually a good signal certain posters are online.
Yes I can get in to PB at work as well but streaming sites are blocked and I wouldn't dream of trying to access porn or online gambling as these are specifically prohibited in our IT policy.
I don't access PB on my work computer as it would be regarded as a gambling site. There is a restriction on gambling sites along with (obviously) pornography. I never log in to personal social media accounts on my work computer. I use it to look at news, and sometimes to order stuff online, checking opening times etc.
I just use smartphone for PB in my lunchhour
Personally I only discuss non work topics with those who are off the work premises and via a personal semaphore system, but getting the flag signals right can be problematic. Good for a work out though.
No sign of Currant Bun front page? All I can see on the website is that it appears Paul Hollywood might have a bit of explaining to do to Mrs Hollywood...
Out of interest (as I work for myself), do people really get the sack from work for violation of IT policy
Yes. This has tightened up over the last ten years. However people are rarely sacked because the trend has been towards software monitoring and prevention: if you are automatically prevented from viewing bad sites then there is no need to sack you. Other prevention measures include disabling of memory slots on PCs and stripping off attachments in emails. However there are always grey areas: my employers will sack for use of gambling sites but does PB actually count as a gambling site per se? Hence my question about use of personal PCs for work purposes.
Since the allegation long predates his becoming DPM, I don't see what the issue is.
The issue has become that he denies it. If his denial proves to hold, he's safe. If not, he's toast. If he'd said "Any legal material that I looked at 9 years ago is irrelevant." that would of course be different.
No sign of Currant Bun front page? All I can see on the website is that it appears Paul Hollywood might have a bit of explaining to do to Mrs Hollywood...
Again?
He is getting a bit of reputation for playing away...
No sign of Currant Bun front page? All I can see on the website is that it appears Paul Hollywood might have a bit of explaining to do to Mrs Hollywood...
The Sunday version never send their front page out.
No sign of Currant Bun front page? All I can see on the website is that it appears Paul Hollywood might have a bit of explaining to do to Mrs Hollywood...
Again?
He is getting a bit of reputation for playing away...
@tnewtondunn: This cannot end without one of these two men publicly disgraced, and possibly facing criminal charges. Highest stakes. twitter.com/tnewtondunn/st…
Out of interest (as I work for myself), do people really get the sack from work for violation of IT policy
Yes. This has tightened up over the last ten years. However people are rarely sacked because the trend has been towards software monitoring and prevention: if you are automatically prevented from viewing bad sites then there is no need to sack you. Other prevention measures include disabling of memory slots on PCs and stripping off attachments in emails. However there are always grey areas: my employers will sack for use of gambling sites but does PB actually count as a gambling site per se? Hence my question about use of personal PCs for work purposes.
It interesting. The start-up I worked for many moons ago were very relaxed. Obviously no porn, but gambling sites were ok, watching tv, buying tickets* etc were all ok. Basically as long as the work got done on time the bosses didn't care if you spent 10 minutes watching cat videos.
* in fact there were a couple of times when the bosses and many staff wanted to go to a big event and we all sat there spamming ticketmaster at the release time until one of us got in..and then obviously booked for everybody.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
More to the point, who downloads porn these days?
Anyone on TalkTalk or Vodafone?
Of course, as a good Muslim boy you wouldn't know anything about this kind of thing...
I'm only going by what my friends say.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
Good enough for 4k :-) For episodes of The Grand Tour of course.
Yup, Ultra HD is the dog's dangly bits.
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
In polite company, is the correct thing to do now to deny ever being a massive fan of House of Cards? Asking for a friend....
Two of my all time favourite films feature Kevin Spacey.
I'm in the same boat as you.
It is erfectly possible to be a good actor and bad person.
Comments
That a judge ruled he probably did say pleb really ended up being pretty immaterial, given the lies.
Even if it was this was of course 9 years ago and you cannot break a law retrospectively.
https://twitter.com/TelegraphNews/status/926937618767417344
I once saw a guy watching porn in the middle of the office. He thought he was sitting in a corner but I could see what he was doing through an internal window.
Peoples stupidity knows no bounds.
I work on the assumption that everything I do on my work computer is being recorded.
Vodafone and TalkTalk have shite speeds, and are dire for streaming.
I'm on o2 and BT, I get stonking speeds.
I expect it's different now!
Ironically the first thing I watched in 4k was House of Cards (Kevin Spacey version)
https://twitter.com/Joyce_Karam/status/926933583285153792
How much longer before we can all have celebratory street parties?
Well, he's a Tory.
On retroactive legislation the Coalition used it to legalise it's past actions rather than pay back Benefits to JSA claimants a court ruled had been wrongly sanctioned. An appalling precedent and only one step away from retroactive legislation to make something illegal.
There will still be a final series focusing on Claire Underwood.
You can't be too cautious. That said, given how easy it is now to browse the internet on personal devices, I wonder if the approach is a bit outdated.
I'm in the same boat as you.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/24/i-will-return-saudi-arabia-moderate-islam-crown-prince
If he's done it, he did wrong, but while doing wrong deserves punishment generally, it has to be proportionate, and it feels like if this is all there is only his local electorate or party are in a position to impose any proportionate punishment.
If I was the writers I would open the final series at his state funeral and see how the ratings do with her alone at the helm before deciding whether to kill it off for good or not.
Sunday Times, Tory MP Andrew Bridgen goes on the record saying he reported concerns about the behaviour of fellow backbencher Dan Poulter to the whips in 2010 – but claims he was ignored. Bridgen says he informed whips of comments made by female colleagues alleging Poulter put his hand up skirts. Bridgen has now reported Poulter using the new complaints procedure and an investigation is underway. Poulter denies the allegations.
One was when I worked for a major Telecoms company (guy watching porn on work PC in the office, late 90s).
Other two working in Education in the Noughties, again watching porn on work laptop, both in work time. One was in a senior post and was escorted from the premises by HR. The other had a string of other issues as well, so wound up not only getting sacked but struck off.
Reporting comments made by others seems a circuitous route to doing things. Why didn't he strongly encourage his female colleagues to make the allegations directly?
Poulter - it is right that he is being investigated. But this all looks very odd to me.
Interesting to hear what is now the norm.
I am currently technically working with MMA on my big tv that sits over my desk, PB and a load of code on my monitors.
But the twists in both The Usual Supects and Se7en and brilliance of John Doe's evilness put The Usual Suspects and Se7en ahead of it.
Lester Burnham was sympathetic, Keyser Soze and John Doe weren't.
Actually another Kevin Spacey role I liked was The Life of David Gale.
I suspect that's the anti-death penalty chap in me speaking.
He is getting a bit of reputation for playing away...
* in fact there were a couple of times when the bosses and many staff wanted to go to a big event and we all sat there spamming ticketmaster at the release time until one of us got in..and then obviously booked for everybody.