Firstly the Sunday Times piece is deliberately vague. From their wording the porn was on a computer in his Commons Office. It doesn't say it was his. Secondly their is a subsequent hypocrisy angle as the government has since tried to ban ' extreme ' porn. Indeed automatic age verification comes in next year. Perhaps the most important part of the article is the naming of another Tory MP, Dan Poulter, who was also named on the spreadsheet.
This country is descending into sexual McCarthyism. There will come a moment when it will go so far that it will suddenly stop but at the moment we are witnessing a witch hunt.
If true Green needs to go as I have been saying all week
On what basis? Green wasn't charged at the time and the Police are rarely backwards in coming forwards when it comes to bringing charges for illegal porn.
So you are saying he should be sacked for having something legal...
If the images were illegal at the time - why wasn't he charged?
He is already subject to an allegation and this latest revelation must to be too uncomfortable for TM and his resignation would be the right thing to do
So...so far this evening the killer stories are...
Minister denies kinky porn was found on his computer. MP asks researcher to go for a coffee with a friend. Man goes back to flat of a government whip, whip thinks he has got lucky, man says no, nothing happens. Fallon makes a pass at a journalist friend after boozy lunch, she says no.
I bet every single person can tell similar stories of people at work.
However, there are still outstanding claims of unnamed rapists at party conferences etc.
If true Green needs to go as I have been saying all week
On what basis? Green wasn't charged at the time and the Police are rarely backwards in coming forwards when it comes to bringing charges for illegal porn.
So you are saying he should be sacked for having something legal...
If the images were illegal at the time - why wasn't he charged?
He is already subject to an allegation and this latest revelation must to be too uncomfortable for TM and his resignation would be the right thing to do
You really don't believe in due process do you?
Of course but in this case he is DPM and TM is compromised as long as he is in office
He has ,however, already instructed lawyers in respect of the initial allegations made.
If true Green needs to go as I have been saying all week
On what basis? Green wasn't charged at the time and the Police are rarely backwards in coming forwards when it comes to bringing charges for illegal porn.
So you are saying he should be sacked for having something legal...
If the images were illegal at the time - why wasn't he charged?
He is already subject to an allegation and this latest revelation must to be too uncomfortable for TM and his resignation would be the right thing to do
You really don't believe in due process do you?
Of course but in this case he is DPM and TM is compromised as long as he is in office
Firstly the Sunday Times piece is deliberately vague. From their wording the porn was on a computer in his Commons Office. It doesn't say it was his. Secondly their is a subsequent hypocrisy angle as the government has since tried to ban ' extreme ' porn. Indeed automatic age verification comes in next year. Perhaps the most important part of the article is the naming of another Tory MP, Dan Poulter, who was also named on the spreadsheet.
Bob Quick as a fucking twat - That's what a then Senior Tory told me several years ago, and one of the people why the Tories aren't as pro police as they used to be.
He's always had a beef with the Tories ever since the Green arrest, this might explain why Bob Quick as grinding his axe tonight.
From a few days after the arrest
Green inquiry officer apologises for Tory slur. Bob Quick issues unreserved apology for allegation party planted a newspaper story he said endangered his family
If true Green needs to go as I have been saying all week
On what basis? Green wasn't charged at the time and the Police are rarely backwards in coming forwards when it comes to bringing charges for illegal porn.
So you are saying he should be sacked for having something legal...
If the images were illegal at the time - why wasn't he charged?
He is already subject to an allegation and this latest revelation must to be too uncomfortable for TM and his resignation would be the right thing to do
You really don't believe in due process do you?
Of course but in this case he is DPM and TM is compromised as long as he is in office
So as far as you are concerned anyone in a senior position should stand down if allegations, no matter how baseless, are made about them. Green is only compromised if there is any evidence against him. He has vehemently denied all the allegations against him but you insist he should go now. That's not justice.
Is there a red blooded male in the country, nay, the world, without some "porn on his computer"?
It's like saying "we investigated the deputy prime minister and found a penis between his legs"
I have to say that unless it was a computer provided by the government , this is no business of anyone else. Of course, if children are involved that's a different story. Animals ?
Clearly this is extremely embarrassing for him and his family. Totally unnecessary.
This country is descending into sexual McCarthyism. There will come a moment when it will go so far that it will suddenly stop but at the moment we are witnessing a witch hunt.
Either we get rid of every MP who has ever had an affair, been a bit too touchy feely with an aide or watched porn (which probably means 2/3 of the Commons gone) or we accept that MPs have foibles as much as the rest of us and just focus on those who genuinely did something illegal.
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
You missed out "...on a government PC." If I did that on my employer's IT equipment, I'd be fored for gorss misconduct, as would most employees in this country.
So...so far this evening the killer stories are...
Minister watches some kinky porn. MP asks researcher to go for a coffee with a friend. Man goes back to flat of a whip, whip thinks he has got lucky, nothing happens. Fallon makes a pass at a journalist friend after boozy lunch, she says no.
I bet every single person can tell similar stories of people at work.
Is the first one related to the C4 story? If so, that's a simplification. Apparently, the researcher was asked repeatedly by intermediaries, and the MP allegedly eventually came in and asked her after the repeated requests by intermediaries. That doesn't sound like your average story, that sounds like harassment. How many people do you really think pressure someone to go out with their friend multiple times, even after they've said no? Apparently, it was related to a deal, and the friend in question was significantly older.
The Jane Merrick one is Fallon apparently lunging at her, hardly someone just making a pass. I don't know anyone whose lunged at someone.
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
If it was legal and it was on a personal computer then there's no issue here.
If it was on a taxpayer-funded computer then it is altogether more serious. In most workplaces using work IT facilities to view porn is a dismissable offence.
If this is the level of killer stories the papers have, all these claims of 12 MPs having to step down look massively overblown. Before two weeks ago, MP has porn on his pc didn't warrant more than one post on Guido.
If true Green needs to go as I have been saying all week
On what basis? Green wasn't charged at the time and the Police are rarely backwards in coming forwards when it comes to bringing charges for illegal porn.
So you are saying he should be sacked for having something legal...
If the images were illegal at the time - why wasn't he charged?
He is already subject to an allegation and this latest revelation must to be too uncomfortable for TM and his resignation would be the right thing to do
You really don't believe in due process do you?
Of course but in this case he is DPM and TM is compromised as long as he is in office
So as far as you are concerned anyone in a senior position should stand down if allegations, no matter how baseless, are made about them. Green is only compromised if there is any evidence against him. He has vehemently denied all the allegations against him but you insist he should go now. That's not justice.
Not at all. Damien Green is compromised and must be given time to defend himself away from the cabinet
I believe Conservative Clubs in places like Horwich are often little more than standard WMCs.
I was astonished when I visited Ebbw Vale recently to find -- amongst the tanning parlours, pound-shops and pawn brokers that otherwise made up the High Street -- a gleaming and well maintained Conservative Club.
It was the most prosperous looking building on the High Street (though that sadly isn’t saying much).
The Tory vote in the whole of the Blaenau Gwent constituency is absolutely derisory. Given that Ebbw Vale is one of the most deprived parts of the already very deprived Blaenau Gwent, I just can’t believe that the Ebbw Vale Conservative Club survives on the subscriptions of paid-up members of the Conservative party.
There were youths in the club playing snooker when I passed by.
I think oddity of the many “Con clubs”, in the deepest valleys went back to the pre 1961 Sunday drinking laws in Wales where the pubs were shut but clubs were open to members and guests ( and membership was often purchasable on the door for a nominal sum). Often the division, I believe, in society was “chapel” or “Con club”. Why the “Con” bit though as opposed to others I don’t know. Nevertheless they live on.
Incidentally there was a vote forced on closing the pubs in Cardiff as late as about 1989ish. The council decided to save money and didn’t publicise it (!). The brewers alerted folk to the vote by advertising the fact on beer mats.
Never have I arrived at a polling station so early to cast my vote (!)
ny first vote was on opening /closing the pubs on a Sunday 1982 -i voted open as evey 18yr old did
The 1961 repeal legislation ( of the 1881 Act ) allowed for subsequent referendums to be called every 7 years ( from memory) if 500 electors called for it. Getting 500 “dry fanatics” in a place the size of Cardiff (200k voters?) was easy, and so they tried to sneak it through under the radar unwittingly abetted by the council trying to save a few quid. I recall turnout was tiny ( under 10k) but the beer mats had got the message out to enough folk!
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
If it was legal and it was on a personal computer then there's no issue here.
If it was on a taxpayer-funded computer then it is altogether more serious. In most workplaces using work IT facilities to view porn is a dismissable offence.
From TSE's comment it sounds as though it wasn't a government machine.
There is a difference between 'extreme' and illegal.
If it wasn't legal, they clearly had an obligation to pass it up to the CPS - and yet no charges were made.
Having a taste for some unusual porn does not automatically make you a criminal or unfit for public office.
Having on your office computer does normally mean you'd breach most workplace IT policies though. Happened to a colleague of mine more than 10 years ago. Instant dismissal for gross professional misconduct.
Though most workplace computers now block it anyway.
This guy had downloaded stuff on his home network onto his work laptop, which he then brought into work. Unfortunately for him, there was also a piece of software installed which picks up on keywords, then screenshots what the user is doing, with a time and date stamp.
I don't think it was extreme, just your average porn, but he's never worked in my profession again.
Moral of the story, treat homeworking as you would at office working.
Twitter is truly bizarre right now, with people providing clarification on the definition of 'extreme' porn (violence, bestiality or necrophilia) and Damian Green tweeting a screenshot of a statement someone has prepped and emailed to him, denying everything.
Tbh, if his IT skills are so poor, I'm amazed he found the porn at all.
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
You missed out "...on a government PC." If I did that on my employer's IT equipment, I'd be fored for gorss misconduct, as would most employees in this country.
This country is descending into sexual McCarthyism. There will come a moment when it will go so far that it will suddenly stop but at the moment we are witnessing a witch hunt.
Either we get rid of every MP who has ever had an affair, been a bit too touchy feely with an aide or watched porn (which probably means 2/3 of the Commons gone) or we accept that MPs have foibles as much as the rest of us and just focus on those who genuinely did something illegal.
Indeed, I agree. However, a proper Code of Conduct for behaviour, with sanctions taken out of the hands of Whips, and placed in a truly independent HR body, would probably greatly help everyone in the HofC. MP's and staffers alike. Plenty of ordinary employees are expected to abide by standards higher than "not illegal." Like a normal workplace.
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
If it was legal and it was on a personal computer then there's no issue here.
If it was on a taxpayer-funded computer then it is altogether more serious. In most workplaces using work IT facilities to view porn is a dismissable offence.
The only people who employ MPs are their constituents, they are the only people who can dismiss them bar an offence leading to imprisonment of more than a year.
After two months of marriage, I can report than I am still deliriously and blissfully in love with my beautiful, funny, sexy, 22 year old wife, who somehow finds me attractive in return (or so she says).
Who knew? We have developed such a telepathy that when we are apart we wake, in the middle of the night, at exactly the same time, and email each other, only to find that the other was simultaneously emailing us back.
It is odd. It is love. It is very nice. Life goes on, and not always in a bad way. Enough of this tedious political depressiveness.
Given the current climate, we are far more interested what extreme porn you have on your pc...
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
If it was legal and it was on a personal computer then there's no issue here.
If it was on a taxpayer-funded computer then it is altogether more serious. In most workplaces using work IT facilities to view porn is a dismissable offence.
I'll give you an example.
About a decade ago, a client sent me an email attachment with the message 'To cheer up your day'
I downloaded the file and it was a word file with a load of picture from porn films.
This country is descending into sexual McCarthyism. There will come a moment when it will go so far that it will suddenly stop but at the moment we are witnessing a witch hunt.
Either we get rid of every MP who has ever had an affair, been a bit too touchy feely with an aide or watched porn (which probably means 2/3 of the Commons gone) or we accept that MPs have foibles as much as the rest of us and just focus on those who genuinely did something illegal.
Indeed, I agree. However, a proper Code of Conduct for behaviour, with sanctions taken out of the hands of Whips, and placed in a truly independent HR body, would probably greatly help everyone in the HofC. MP's and staffers alike. Plenty of ordinary employees are expected to abide by standards higher than "not illegal." Like a normal workplace.
+1 For example, viewing or downloading porn on an office PC is pretty much a universal no-no in the real world.
After two months of marriage, I can report than I am still deliriously and blissfully in love with my beautiful, funny, sexy, 22 year old wife, who somehow finds me attractive in return (or so she says).
Who knew? We have developed such a telepathy that when we are apart we wake, in the middle of the night, at exactly the same time, and email each other, only to find that the other was simultaneously emailing us back.
It is odd. It is love. It is very nice. Life goes on, and not always in a bad way. Enough of this tedious political depressiveness.
Lovely story and all the best to both of you. I am entering my 55th year with my beloved wife.
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
If it was legal and it was on a personal computer then there's no issue here.
If it was on a taxpayer-funded computer then it is altogether more serious. In most workplaces using work IT facilities to view porn is a dismissable offence.
From TSE's comment it sounds as though it wasn't a government machine.
It can't have been a government computer as the Tories weren't in government in 2008.
After two months of marriage, I can report than I am still deliriously and blissfully in love with my beautiful, funny, sexy, 22 year old wife, who somehow finds me attractive in return (or so she says).
Who knew? We have developed such a telepathy that when we are apart we wake, in the middle of the night, at exactly the same time, and email each other, only to find that the other was simultaneously emailing us back.
It is odd. It is love. It is very nice. Life goes on, and not always in a bad way. Enough of this tedious political depressiveness.
After two months of marriage, I can report than I am still deliriously and blissfully in love with my beautiful, funny, sexy, 22 year old wife, who somehow finds me attractive in return (or so she says).
Who knew? We have developed such a telepathy that when we are apart we wake, in the middle of the night, at exactly the same time, and email each other, only to find that the other was simultaneously emailing us back.
It is odd. It is love. It is very nice. Life goes on, and not always in a bad way. Enough of this tedious political depressiveness.
Email each other?
I suppose if she's not in the same bed, then she doesn't snore in your ear and wake you up.
The Big Picture is Blue on Blue. It's 3 of the right wing Sunday's breaking new allegations from Tory sources about other Tories. The Channel 4 piece was also Blue on Blue. This is turning into a story about Conservative cohesion. Tories are using the febrile atmosphere to make what would normally be thin gruel into poison about other Tories.
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
If it was legal and it was on a personal computer then there's no issue here.
If it was on a taxpayer-funded computer then it is altogether more serious. In most workplaces using work IT facilities to view porn is a dismissable offence.
I'll give you an example.
About a decade ago, a client sent me an email attachment with the message 'To cheer up your day'
I downloaded the file and it was a word file with a load of picture from porn films.
I informed IT and my supervising partner.
You did the right thing. You think that's what happened to Green?
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
The Big Picture is Blue on Blue. It's 3 of the right wing Sunday's breaking new allegations from Tory sources about other Tories. The Channel 4 piece was also Blue on Blue. This is turning into a story about Conservative cohesion. Tories are using the febrile atmosphere to make what would normally be thin gruel into poison about other Tories.
It is interesting. Tories are going on the record and naming names (definitely score settling going on). Labour are going on the record and making far worse claims and saying I couldn't possibly give you a name.
Reminds we of the GE campaign, where Labour were incredibly disciplined.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
If it was legal and it was on a personal computer then there's no issue here.
If it was on a taxpayer-funded computer then it is altogether more serious. In most workplaces using work IT facilities to view porn is a dismissable offence.
I'll give you an example.
About a decade ago, a client sent me an email attachment with the message 'To cheer up your day'
I downloaded the file and it was a word file with a load of picture from porn films.
I informed IT and my supervising partner.
You did the right thing. You think that's what happened to Green?
I don't know, I don't have the facts, and the 'facts' are coming from someone with a known beef with Damian Green and the Tories.
The Big Picture is Blue on Blue. It's 3 of the right wing Sunday's breaking new allegations from Tory sources about other Tories. The Channel 4 piece was also Blue on Blue. This is turning into a story about Conservative cohesion. Tories are using the febrile atmosphere to make what would normally be thin gruel into poison about other Tories.
Bit parochial - all parties are involved and no one comes out of this with a political advantage
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
If it was legal and it was on a personal computer then there's no issue here.
If it was on a taxpayer-funded computer then it is altogether more serious. In most workplaces using work IT facilities to view porn is a dismissable offence.
I'll give you an example.
About a decade ago, a client sent me an email attachment with the message 'To cheer up your day'
I downloaded the file and it was a word file with a load of picture from porn films.
I informed IT and my supervising partner.
You did the right thing. You think that's what happened to Green?
I don't know, I don't have the facts, and the 'facts' are coming from someone with a known beef with Damian Green and the Tories.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
After two months of marriage, I can report than I am still deliriously and blissfully in love with my beautiful, funny, sexy, 22 year old wife, who somehow finds me attractive in return (or so she says).
Who knew? We have developed such a telepathy that when we are apart we wake, in the middle of the night, at exactly the same time, and email each other, only to find that the other was simultaneously emailing us back.
It is odd. It is love. It is very nice. Life goes on, and not always in a bad way. Enough of this tedious political depressiveness.
Good to know that Sean T, a professional writer of fiction of some acclaim, if still turning out fiction from his lonely bed-sit in Neasden. In a changing world, some things never change.
On the Green story - a question is the source. Green seems to feel it was the former senior police officer and is embarking on wrestling with him in public, which looks as though it will decide the matter swiftly. The matter is presumably a matter of record and it should be possible for the police to confirm or deny it based on their records. How extreme and how it got there, if it did, may be fuzzier.
But I rather agree that the Sundays don't have very much news on the harassment front, so maybe the storm is passing?
After two months of marriage, I can report than I am still deliriously and blissfully in love with my beautiful, funny, sexy, 22 year old wife, who somehow finds me attractive in return (or so she says).
Who knew? We have developed such a telepathy that when we are apart we wake, in the middle of the night, at exactly the same time, and email each other, only to find that the other was simultaneously emailing us back.
It is odd. It is love. It is very nice. Life goes on, and not always in a bad way. Enough of this tedious political depressiveness.
Good for you! Hearty congratulations! Well played, Sir! And her!
Theresa May is under pressure to disclose what two of her closest allies knew about allegations made against senior Conservatives, amid claims they “sat on” accusations about MPs’ conduct.
The Telegraph understands that concerns about the behaviour of Sir Michael Fallon, the former defence secretary, were raised repeatedly in the whips’ office when Gavin Barwell, who is now the Prime Minister’s chief of staff, was “number three” there.
Separately, a serious allegation about the Tory MP Charlie Elphicke, then a whip himself, was made to the office in the same period, before Gavin Williamson – whom the Prime Minister appointed on Thursday as Sir Michael’s successor – became chief whip.
After two months of marriage, I can report than I am still deliriously and blissfully in love with my beautiful, funny, sexy, 22 year old wife, who somehow finds me attractive in return (or so she says).
Who knew? We have developed such a telepathy that when we are apart we wake, in the middle of the night, at exactly the same time, and email each other, only to find that the other was simultaneously emailing us back.
It is odd. It is love. It is very nice. Life goes on, and not always in a bad way. Enough of this tedious political depressiveness.
But have you managed to explain what the interest rate rise was all about ?
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Twitter is truly bizarre right now, with people providing clarification on the definition of 'extreme' porn (violence, bestiality or necrophilia) and Damian Green tweeting a screenshot of a statement someone has prepped and emailed to him, denying everything.
Tbh, if his IT skills are so poor, I'm amazed he found the porn at all.
LOL. If there is one thing that is very easy it is finding porn - human ingenuity has made it so.
There is a difference between 'extreme' and illegal.
If it wasn't legal, they clearly had an obligation to pass it up to the CPS - and yet no charges were made.
Having a taste for some unusual porn does not automatically make you a criminal or unfit for public office.
Having on your office computer does normally mean you'd breach most workplace IT policies though. Happened to a colleague of mine more than 10 years ago. Instant dismissal for gross professional misconduct.
Though most workplace computers now block it anyway.
This guy had downloaded stuff on his home network onto his work laptop, which he then brought into work. Unfortunately for him, there was also a piece of software installed which picks up on keywords, then screenshots what the user is doing, with a time and date stamp.
I don't think it was extreme, just your average porn, but he's never worked in my profession again.
Moral of the story, treat homeworking as you would at office working.
Indeed, very silly. How hard is it to have a separate device for porn, I mean really?
You should all your shameful stuff on one device to keep it away from work and acceptable social stuff.
After two months of marriage, I can report than I am still deliriously and blissfully in love with my beautiful, funny, sexy, 22 year old wife, who somehow finds me attractive in return (or so she says).
Who knew? We have developed such a telepathy that when we are apart we wake, in the middle of the night, at exactly the same time, and email each other, only to find that the other was simultaneously emailing us back.
It is odd. It is love. It is very nice. Life goes on, and not always in a bad way. Enough of this tedious political depressiveness.
Good to know that Sean T, a professional writer of fiction of some acclaim, if still turning out fiction from his lonely bed-sit in Neasden. In a changing world, some things never change.
In one multiverse that must be true!
PS I prefer the SeanT's happy ending in this multiverse though.
On the Green story - a question is the source. Green seems to feel it was the former senior police officer and is embarking on wrestling with him in public, which looks as though it will decide the matter swiftly. The matter is presumably a matter of record and it should be possible for the police to confirm or deny it based on their records. How extreme and how it got there, if it did, may be fuzzier.
But I rather agree that the Sundays don't have very much news on the harassment front, so maybe the storm is passing?
Really not that much of a storm if it is passing already, although that's might be the best outcome - in that there aren't that many truly inappropriate people, or god forbid sex pests, and the worst are being smoked out and all parties taking a lesson to be very very careful in future to ensure more do not emerge.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Twitter is truly bizarre right now, with people providing clarification on the definition of 'extreme' porn (violence, bestiality or necrophilia) and Damian Green tweeting a screenshot of a statement someone has prepped and emailed to him, denying everything.
Tbh, if his IT skills are so poor, I'm amazed he found the porn at all.
LOL. If there is one thing that is very easy it is finding porn - human ingenuity has made it so.
There is a difference between 'extreme' and illegal.
If it wasn't legal, they clearly had an obligation to pass it up to the CPS - and yet no charges were made.
Having a taste for some unusual porn does not automatically make you a criminal or unfit for public office.
Having on your office computer does normally mean you'd breach most workplace IT policies though. Happened to a colleague of mine more than 10 years ago. Instant dismissal for gross professional misconduct.
Though most workplace computers now block it anyway.
This guy had downloaded stuff on his home network onto his work laptop, which he then brought into work. Unfortunately for him, there was also a piece of software installed which picks up on keywords, then screenshots what the user is doing, with a time and date stamp.
I don't think it was extreme, just your average porn, but he's never worked in my profession again.
Moral of the story, treat homeworking as you would at office working.
Indeed, very silly. How hard is it to have a separate device for porn, I mean really?
You should all your shameful stuff on one device to keep it away from work and acceptable social stuff.
Porn Terrible fanfiction PB
PB is the main reason they invented incognito mode.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I don't care about Damien Green having porn on his computer. So what if it's "extreme" - how do you define that? As long as it's not illegal it's not our business
Twitter is truly bizarre right now, with people providing clarification on the definition of 'extreme' porn (violence, bestiality or necrophilia) and Damian Green tweeting a screenshot of a statement someone has prepped and emailed to him, denying everything.
Tbh, if his IT skills are so poor, I'm amazed he found the porn at all.
LOL. If there is one thing that is very easy it is finding porn - human ingenuity has made it so.
There is a difference between 'extreme' and illegal.
If it wasn't legal, they clearly had an obligation to pass it up to the CPS - and yet no charges were made.
Having a taste for some unusual porn does not automatically make you a criminal or unfit for public office.
Having on your office computer does normally mean you'd breach most workplace IT policies though. Happened to a colleague of mine more than 10 years ago. Instant dismissal for gross professional misconduct.
Though most workplace computers now block it anyway.
This guy had downloaded stuff on his home network onto his work laptop, which he then brought into work. Unfortunately for him, there was also a piece of software installed which picks up on keywords, then screenshots what the user is doing, with a time and date stamp.
I don't think it was extreme, just your average porn, but he's never worked in my profession again.
Moral of the story, treat homeworking as you would at office working.
Indeed, very silly. How hard is it to have a separate device for porn, I mean really?
You should all your shameful stuff on one device to keep it away from work and acceptable social stuff.
Porn Terrible fanfiction PB
Sometimes you get crossover of all three.
It won't be this weekend, but next weekend I'll be publishing a thread about wearing gimp suits.
I'm not speaking from personal experience, I hasten to add.
Twitter is truly bizarre right now, with people providing clarification on the definition of 'extreme' porn (violence, bestiality or necrophilia) and Damian Green tweeting a screenshot of a statement someone has prepped and emailed to him, denying everything.
Tbh, if his IT skills are so poor, I'm amazed he found the porn at all.
LOL. If there is one thing that is very easy it is finding porn - human ingenuity has made it so.
There is a difference between 'extreme' and illegal.
If it wasn't legal, they clearly had an obligation to pass it up to the CPS - and yet no charges were made.
Having a taste for some unusual porn does not automatically make you a criminal or unfit for public office.
Having on your office computer does normally mean you'd breach most workplace IT policies though. Happened to a colleague of mine more than 10 years ago. Instant dismissal for gross professional misconduct.
Though most workplace computers now block it anyway.
This guy had downloaded stuff on his home network onto his work laptop, which he then brought into work. Unfortunately for him, there was also a piece of software installed which picks up on keywords, then screenshots what the user is doing, with a time and date stamp.
I don't think it was extreme, just your average porn, but he's never worked in my profession again.
Moral of the story, treat homeworking as you would at office working.
Indeed, very silly. How hard is it to have a separate device for porn, I mean really?
You should all your shameful stuff on one device to keep it away from work and acceptable social stuff.
Porn Terrible fanfiction PB
PB is the main reason they invented incognito mode.
I just hope nobody is writing terrible pornographic fanfiction about PB, combing all personal and/or shameful things into one.
Twitter is truly bizarre right now, with people providing clarification on the definition of 'extreme' porn (violence, bestiality or necrophilia) and Damian Green tweeting a screenshot of a statement someone has prepped and emailed to him, denying everything.
Tbh, if his IT skills are so poor, I'm amazed he found the porn at all.
LOL. If there is one thing that is very easy it is finding porn - human ingenuity has made it so.
There is a difference between 'extreme' and illegal.
If it wasn't legal, they clearly had an obligation to pass it up to the CPS - and yet no charges were made.
Having a taste for some unusual porn does not automatically make you a criminal or unfit for public office.
Having on your office computer does normally mean you'd breach most workplace IT policies though. Happened to a colleague of mine more than 10 years ago. Instant dismissal for gross professional misconduct.
Though most workplace computers now block it anyway.
This guy had downloaded stuff on his home network onto his work laptop, which he then brought into work. Unfortunately for him, there was also a piece of software installed which picks up on keywords, then screenshots what the user is doing, with a time and date stamp.
I don't think it was extreme, just your average porn, but he's never worked in my profession again.
Moral of the story, treat homeworking as you would at office working.
Indeed, very silly. How hard is it to have a separate device for porn, I mean really?
You should all your shameful stuff on one device to keep it away from work and acceptable social stuff.
Porn Terrible fanfiction PB
PB is the main reason they invented incognito mode.
When MI5 pull you in for questioning, they first ask "are you or have you ever been a member of PB?"
Twitter is truly bizarre right now, with people providing clarification on the definition of 'extreme' porn (violence, bestiality or necrophilia) and Damian Green tweeting a screenshot of a statement someone has prepped and emailed to him, denying everything.
Tbh, if his IT skills are so poor, I'm amazed he found the porn at all.
LOL. If there is one thing that is very easy it is finding porn - human ingenuity has made it so.
There is a difference between 'extreme' and illegal.
If it wasn't legal, they clearly had an obligation to pass it up to the CPS - and yet no charges were made.
Having a taste for some unusual porn does not automatically make you a criminal or unfit for public office.
Having on your office computer does normally mean you'd breach most workplace IT policies though. Happened to a colleague of mine more than 10 years ago. Instant dismissal for gross professional misconduct.
Though most workplace computers now block it anyway.
This guy had downloaded stuff on his home network onto his work laptop, which he then brought into work. Unfortunately for him, there was also a piece of software installed which picks up on keywords, then screenshots what the user is doing, with a time and date stamp.
I don't think it was extreme, just your average porn, but he's never worked in my profession again.
Moral of the story, treat homeworking as you would at office working.
Indeed, very silly. How hard is it to have a separate device for porn, I mean really?
You should all your shameful stuff on one device to keep it away from work and acceptable social stuff.
I don't care about Damien Green having porn on his computer. So what if it's "extreme" - how do you define that? As long as it's not illegal it's not our business
A legal definition was posted some posts ago in this thread. I was shocked they actually have a legal definition of what extreme porn is.
Twitter is truly bizarre right now, with people providing clarification on the definition of 'extreme' porn (violence, bestiality or necrophilia) and Damian Green tweeting a screenshot of a statement someone has prepped and emailed to him, denying everything.
Tbh, if his IT skills are so poor, I'm amazed he found the porn at all.
LOL. If there is one thing that is very easy it is finding porn - human ingenuity has made it so.
There is a difference between 'extreme' and illegal.
If it wasn't legal, they clearly had an obligation to pass it up to the CPS - and yet no charges were made.
Having a taste for some unusual porn does not automatically make you a criminal or unfit for public office.
Having on your office computer does normally mean you'd breach most workplace IT policies though. Happened to a colleague of mine more than 10 years ago. Instant dismissal for gross professional misconduct.
Though most workplace computers now block it anyway.
This guy had downloaded stuff on his home network onto his work laptop, which he then brought into work. Unfortunately for him, there was also a piece of software installed which picks up on keywords, then screenshots what the user is doing, with a time and date stamp.
I don't think it was extreme, just your average porn, but he's never worked in my profession again.
Moral of the story, treat homeworking as you would at office working.
Indeed, very silly. How hard is it to have a separate device for porn, I mean really?
You should all your shameful stuff on one device to keep it away from work and acceptable social stuff.
Porn Terrible fanfiction PB
PB is the main reason they invented incognito mode.
When MI5 pull you in for questioning, they first ask "are you or have you ever been a member of PB?"
A similar question was asked on those green forms you used to have to fill out when flying to the US...
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
If it was legal and it was on a personal computer then there's no issue here.
If it was on a taxpayer-funded computer then it is altogether more serious. In most workplaces using work IT facilities to view porn is a dismissable offence.
I'll give you an example.
About a decade ago, a client sent me an email attachment with the message 'To cheer up your day'
I downloaded the file and it was a word file with a load of picture from porn films.
I informed IT and my supervising partner.
You were quite correct in the action you took.
If Green knowingly downloaded porn, legal or not, on to a parliamentary computer then he is knee deep in something unpleasant. If he used a personal computer then, as long as the material is legal, this is a non-story.
I don't care about Damien Green having porn on his computer. So what if it's "extreme" - how do you define that? As long as it's not illegal it's not our business
The point is the government he's a member of attempted to do just that and make it illegal. Which is I guess why it appears in an historic allegation to spice it up. To add an hypocrisy angle.
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
So story is 'Government Minister watches legal porn'?
What a farce.
If it was legal and it was on a personal computer then there's no issue here.
If it was on a taxpayer-funded computer then it is altogether more serious. In most workplaces using work IT facilities to view porn is a dismissable offence.
I'll give you an example.
About a decade ago, a client sent me an email attachment with the message 'To cheer up your day'
I downloaded the file and it was a word file with a load of picture from porn films.
I informed IT and my supervising partner.
You were quite correct in the action you took.
If Green knowingly downloaded porn, legal or not, on to a parliamentary computer then he is knee deep in something unpleasant. If he used a personal computer then, as long as the material is legal, this is a non-story.
Deputy PM in man watches porn shocker. Providing that it isn't illegal, which presumably it isn't given that no charges were pressed it's a little bit of a pathetic 'scandal'.
I don't care about Damien Green having porn on his computer. So what if it's "extreme" - how do you define that? As long as it's not illegal it's not our business
The point is the government he's a member of attempted to do just that and make it illegal. Which is I guess why it appears in an historic allegation to spice it up. To add an hypocrisy angle.
I believe this new phone line has prompted some of tonight's revelations.
Thinking of a totally independent body to deal with these complaints including bullying just how may it effect people like McDonnell and his verbal abuse directed to Esther McVey
So can the likes of Surbiton and BenPointer tell me what Government role Damian Green had in 2008, because according to you two he had a government laptop.
Government supplied PC. Just like teachers in state schools have a government supplied PC. The point is if it wasn't his own personal property it's a more serious matter imo.
Er wrong again, the government doesn't supply computers, it is the Commons.
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
I am wrong, I am wrong, I am wrong.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
Looking at porn nine years ago is pretty minor in the scheme of things.
I worked for a company who dismissed a senior manager in 2002 for downloading porn onto an office PC (please note @TSE). Everybody was shocked but no one I spoke to thought the company had acted unreasonably given the circumstances. In the real world people know it's unacceptable to view or downoad porn on work PCs and most have always known that.
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Perhaps the most important part of the article is the naming of another Tory MP, Dan Poulter, who was also named on the spreadsheet.
Though on reflection proving it was Green that downloaded it may well be impossible at 9 years' distance. So maybe he can survive.
Burn the w*tch.
Minister denies kinky porn was found on his computer.
MP asks researcher to go for a coffee with a friend.
Man goes back to flat of a government whip, whip thinks he has got lucky, man says no, nothing happens.
Fallon makes a pass at a journalist friend after boozy lunch, she says no.
I bet every single person can tell similar stories of people at work.
However, there are still outstanding claims of unnamed rapists at party conferences etc.
He's always had a beef with the Tories ever since the Green arrest, this might explain why Bob Quick as grinding his axe tonight.
From a few days after the arrest
Green inquiry officer apologises for Tory slur. Bob Quick issues unreserved apology for allegation party planted a newspaper story he said endangered his family
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2008/dec/22/bob-quick-david-cameron-row
Clearly this is extremely embarrassing for him and his family. Totally unnecessary.
So nothing to do with Leadsom
If I downloaded (even legal) porn on my employer's IT equipment, I'd be fired for gorss misconduct, as would most employees in this country.
Standards, dear boy.
The Jane Merrick one is Fallon apparently lunging at her, hardly someone just making a pass. I don't know anyone whose lunged at someone.
If it was on a taxpayer-funded computer then it is altogether more serious. In most workplaces using work IT facilities to view porn is a dismissable offence.
Tbh, if his IT skills are so poor, I'm amazed he found the porn at all.
Plenty of ordinary employees are expected to abide by standards higher than "not illegal."
Like a normal workplace.
Joking aside...Congrats.
About a decade ago, a client sent me an email attachment with the message 'To cheer up your day'
I downloaded the file and it was a word file with a load of picture from porn films.
I informed IT and my supervising partner.
For example, viewing or downloading porn on an office PC is pretty much a universal no-no in the real world.
Love endures
Email each other?
I suppose if she's not in the same bed, then she doesn't snore in your ear and wake you up.
Grrrrrr.
So it looks like it wasn't a personal pc then, but a work pc.
Reminds we of the GE campaign, where Labour were incredibly disciplined.
Bob Quick is not a reliable witness.
On the Green story - a question is the source. Green seems to feel it was the former senior police officer and is embarking on wrestling with him in public, which looks as though it will decide the matter swiftly. The matter is presumably a matter of record and it should be possible for the police to confirm or deny it based on their records. How extreme and how it got there, if it did, may be fuzzier.
But I rather agree that the Sundays don't have very much news on the harassment front, so maybe the storm is passing?
Theresa May is under pressure to disclose what two of her closest allies knew about allegations made against senior Conservatives, amid claims they “sat on” accusations about MPs’ conduct.
The Telegraph understands that concerns about the behaviour of Sir Michael Fallon, the former defence secretary, were raised repeatedly in the whips’ office when Gavin Barwell, who is now the Prime Minister’s chief of staff, was “number three” there.
Separately, a serious allegation about the Tory MP Charlie Elphicke, then a whip himself, was made to the office in the same period, before Gavin Williamson – whom the Prime Minister appointed on Thursday as Sir Michael’s successor – became chief whip.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/11/04/theresa-mays-chief-staff-new-defence-secretary-sat-claims-westminster/
Admit you were wrong, and move on.
You should all your shameful stuff on one device to keep it away from work and acceptable social stuff.
Porn
Terrible fanfiction
PB
PS I prefer the SeanT's happy ending in this multiverse though.
Does that feel better? (Cos it doesn't improve DG's chances of survival one iota)
It won't be this weekend, but next weekend I'll be publishing a thread about wearing gimp suits.
I'm not speaking from personal experience, I hasten to add.
When MI5 pull you in for questioning, they first ask "are you or have you ever been a member of PB?"
Obviously he shouldn't resign over this.
If Green knowingly downloaded porn, legal or not, on to a parliamentary computer then he is knee deep in something unpleasant. If he used a personal computer then, as long as the material is legal, this is a non-story.
Thinking of a totally independent body to deal with these complaints including bullying just how may it effect people like McDonnell and his verbal abuse directed to Esther McVey