Tabloid paper clutches pearls at the thought of women being used as sex objects, next to picture of Trinny's exposed cleavage. Why does this not surprise me?
They say politics is showbiz for ugly people. It seems to be true...
That's what the Mail does... Outrage at nudity, see all on pages 5,6,7,8,10&13.
Its great that all these sexual misdemeanours are coming to the surface tonight, but its high time that financial misdemeanours which anyone can investigate by going through Companies House records of MP's came to the surface as well. That requires going through reams and reams of paperwork, that many find boring, but its highly highly illuminating when you know where to look.
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
You have to turn the question around and ponder whether people with very low levels would ever want to be politicians. The answer is clearly no, in a British context. Might be okay in Scandinavia.
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I can honestly say I have never been involved in anything that would be unacceptable to a woman . I do believe drink plays a big part in some of the unacceptable behaviour
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard this explanation before and it’s always sounded like an excuse (“Poor me, I’m so driven to be the CEO that I can’t stop myself putting my hands up your skirt.”) Give me a break. If you have that much determination you have enough to control your urges. You’re not some rutting stag, for God’s sake.
Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I think I might have to start adding a section entitled to 'How to be a gentleman' to my training guides for new starters.
All my guides begin with 'You should listen to me because I know you will not do well in prison'
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I can honestly say I have never been involved in anything that would be unacceptable to a woman . I do believe drink plays a big part in some of the unacceptable behaviour
I wouldn’t imagine anything else of you, Mr Big G. From your posts you strike me as the epitome of old-fashioned gentlemanly Toryism at its best. And I mean that as a compliment.
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I can honestly say I have never been involved in anything that would be unacceptable to a woman . I do believe drink plays a big part in some of the unacceptable behaviour
I wouldn’t imagine anything else of you, Mr Big G. From your posts you strike me as the epitome of old-fashioned gentlemanly Toryism at its best. And I mean that as a compliment.
That is a very kind comment. Actually my role model was my late Father who was the epitome of a gentleman.
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I think I might have to start adding a section entitled to 'How to be a gentleman' to my training guides for new starters.
All my guides begin with 'You should listen to me because I know you will not do well in prison'
I’m way ahead of you. I have already had to teach quite a number of young men how to behave. They’re left in no doubt about how to behave and what to expect if they don’t.
(I am available for a reasonable fee. And worth every penny.)
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I think I might have to start adding a section entitled to 'How to be a gentleman' to my training guides for new starters.
All my guides begin with 'You should listen to me because I know you will not do well in prison'
I’m way ahead of you. I have already had to teach quite a number of young men how to behave. They’re left in no doubt about how to behave and what to expect if they don’t.
(I am available for a reasonable fee. And worth every penny.)
Some women touch men on various parts of their bodies without asking first, but of course very few men complain about it. It happened to me on a plane a few months ago when the woman sitting next to me thought it was okay to touch my leg for no particular reason.
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I can honestly say I have never been involved in anything that would be unacceptable to a woman . I do believe drink plays a big part in some of the unacceptable behaviour
I wouldn’t imagine anything else of you, Mr Big G. From your posts you strike me as the epitome of old-fashioned gentlemanly Toryism at its best. And I mean that as a compliment.
That is a very kind comment. Actually my role model was my late Father who was the epitome of a gentleman.
So was mine. He too was a gentleman. And he armed me against such behaviour by showing me that men can and do behave well, even successful ones. And that those who don’t are the ones at fault, who should be ashamed and who lose their dignity. Not the women they behave badly to.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard this explanation before and it’s always sounded like an excuse (“Poor me, I’m so driven to be the CEO that I can’t stop myself putting my hands up your skirt.”) Give me a break. If you have that much determination you have enough to control your urges. You’re not some rutting stag, for God’s sake.
Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
I agree.
I have not encountered such behaviour during my career in Medicine. Maybe I am too naive to notice. Maybe people are just good at doing these things away from disapproving eyes.
Sexual overtures between people of very different ages and career power are ripe for abusive behaviour. Any profession where patronage matters for career progress is even more ripe for abuse.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
You have to turn the question around and ponder whether people with very low levels would ever want to be politicians. The answer is clearly no, in a British context. Might be okay in Scandinavia.
Never saw much of a link myself. I think the link only works for a certain type of look-at-me!!! politician. Couild you imagine Frank Field, Oliver Letwin, Vince Cable assaulting women?
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I think I might have to start adding a section entitled to 'How to be a gentleman' to my training guides for new starters.
All my guides begin with 'You should listen to me because I know you will not do well in prison'
I’m way ahead of you. I have already had to teach quite a number of young men how to behave. They’re left in no doubt about how to behave and what to expect if they don’t.
(I am available for a reasonable fee. And worth every penny.)
Some women touch men on various parts of their bodies without asking first, but of course very few men complain about it. It happened to me on a plane a few months ago when the woman sitting next to me thought it was okay to touch my leg for no particular reason.
Well you should say something. It’s an invasion of privacy. And boorish behaviour is no more acceptable from a woman than a man.
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I think I might have to start adding a section entitled to 'How to be a gentleman' to my training guides for new starters.
All my guides begin with 'You should listen to me because I know you will not do well in prison'
I’m way ahead of you. I have already had to teach quite a number of young men how to behave. They’re left in no doubt about how to behave and what to expect if they don’t.
(I am available for a reasonable fee. And worth every penny.)
Some women touch men on various parts of their bodies without asking first, but of course very few men complain about it. It happened to me on a plane a few months ago when the woman sitting next to me thought it was okay to touch my leg for no particular reason.
I remember being at a conference many years ago when the late Diana Lamplugh, the mother of Suzy, making the exact same point about the surprising number of assaults on men but that they do not complain about it
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I can honestly say I have never been involved in anything that would be unacceptable to a woman . I do believe drink plays a big part in some of the unacceptable behaviour
I wouldn’t imagine anything else of you, Mr Big G. From your posts you strike me as the epitome of old-fashioned gentlemanly Toryism at its best. And I mean that as a compliment.
That is a very kind comment. Actually my role model was my late Father who was the epitome of a gentleman.
So was mine. He too was a gentleman. And he armed me against such behaviour by showing me that men can and do behave well, even successful ones. And that those who don’t are the ones at fault, who should be ashamed and who lose their dignity. Not the women they behave badly to.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard this explanation before and it’s always sounded like an excuse (“Poor me, I’m so driven to be the CEO that I can’t stop myself putting my hands up your skirt.”) Give me a break. If you have that much determination you have enough to control your urges. You’re not some rutting stag, for God’s sake.
Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I think I might have to start adding a section entitled to 'How to be a gentleman' to my training guides for new starters.
All my guides begin with 'You should listen to me because I know you will not do well in prison'
I’m way ahead of you. I have already had to teach quite a number of young men how to behave. They’re left in no doubt about how to behave and what to expect if they don’t.
(I am available for a reasonable fee. And worth every penny.)
On more than one occasion I had to go through some of the emails of our staff for dispute resolution.
Even I blushed at the sexual comments contained in them.
Why do men, in so many walks of life (neither the City or the law are immune to this sort of behaviour), find it so difficult to behave in a civilised manner? Dare I say it, why do they find it so difficult to behave like gentlemen?
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
I think I might have to start adding a section entitled to 'How to be a gentleman' to my training guides for new starters.
All my guides begin with 'You should listen to me because I know you will not do well in prison'
I’m way ahead of you. I have already had to teach quite a number of young men how to behave. They’re left in no doubt about how to behave and what to expect if they don’t.
(I am available for a reasonable fee. And worth every penny.)
On more than one occasion I had to go through some of the emails of our staff for dispute resolution.
Even I blushed at the sexual comments contained in them.
Yes, me.
I have had to do this too. Stuff in there to make you blench. I used some of the worst examples in a series of talks I gave on “Communications”. You could have heard a pin drop in the lecture hall when I showed people the examples of what staff were sending, not just to each other within the firm, but outside it too. Some people could not believe their eyes. There was genuine shock. And some others were deeply embarrassed when they realised someone old enough to be their mother was reading their stuff.
Very little shocked me. Some of it sickened me though. There was one particularly revolting case, where I felt “dirty” after days trawling through the evidence.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard this explanation before and it’s always sounded like an excuse (“Poor me, I’m so driven to be the CEO that I can’t stop myself putting my hands up your skirt.”) Give me a break. If you have that much determination you have enough to control your urges. You’re not some rutting stag, for God’s sake.
Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
Indeed, all the research I have seen indicates that the two things that are most predictive of the highest levels of success in any field are:
1. self-control and 2. a big capacity for delayed-gratification.
Lack of self-control is strongly predictive of failure.
Which makes me think that the likes of Weinstein - successful men who prey on women - are all the more evil as they clearly do have self-control, and only let loose their baser instincts when they judge it to be sufficiently safe - i.e. when they know the power differential is sufficient to scare the female out of reporting it.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard this explanation before and it’s always sounded like an excuse (“Poor me, I’m so driven to be the CEO that I can’t stop myself putting my hands up your skirt.”) Give me a break. If you have that much determination you have enough to control your urges. You’re not some rutting stag, for God’s sake.
Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
I was not trying to make excuses. Just offer an explanation. A combination of drive and risk- seeking means that politics is likely to attract more than its fair share of sexual pests.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard this explanation before and it’s always sounded like an excuse (“Poor me, I’m so driven to be the CEO that I can’t stop myself putting my hands up your skirt.”) Give me a break. If you have that much determination you have enough to control your urges. You’re not some rutting stag, for God’s sake.
Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
Indeed, all the research I have seen indicates that the two things that are most predictive of the highest levels of success in any field are:
1. self-control and 2. a big capacity for delayed-gratification.
Lack of self-control is strongly predictive of failure.
Which makes me think that the likes of Weinstein - successful men who prey on women - are all the more evil as they clearly do have self-control, and only let loose their baser instincts when they judge it to be sufficiently safe - i.e. when they know the power differential is sufficient to scare the female out of reporting it.
Indeed. Plus if what has been reported is half-way true his idea of sex seems both deeply inadequate and pathetic, as well as scary and humiliating for the woman concerned.
All this alpha male bollocks is just rationalising vile behaviour. I do it because I’m a bully and I can get away with it. It’s still bollocks, whatever pseudo-scientific Greek word you describe it as.
Some women touch men on various parts of their bodies without asking first, but of course very few men complain about it. It happened to me on a plane a few months ago when the woman sitting next to me thought it was okay to touch my leg for no particular reason.
Encountered this too from colleagues in various jobs, at a level too marginal to complain about (in my view) - tapping my knee, rubbing my shoulder, etc. in what I'd call an amiably flirtatious way. I do think that using flirting to oil the wheels is quite common, and generally not much objected to, so long as it's clearly light-hearted and *between equals*. It would be entirely unacceptable from a boss.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard this explanation before and it’s always sounded like an excuse (“Poor me, I’m so driven to be the CEO that I can’t stop myself putting my hands up your skirt.”) Give me a break. If you have that much determination you have enough to control your urges. You’re not some rutting stag, for God’s sake.
Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
Indeed, all the research I have seen indicates that the two things that are most predictive of the highest levels of success in any field are:
1. self-control and 2. a big capacity for delayed-gratification.
Lack of self-control is strongly predictive of failure.
Which makes me think that the likes of Weinstein - successful men who prey on women - are all the more evil as they clearly do have self-control, and only let loose their baser instincts when they judge it to be sufficiently safe - i.e. when they know the power differential is sufficient to scare the female out of reporting it.
What a lot of bollocks.
I'm not excusing predatory men - at all - but the merest glimpse at politics (just one sphere) shows that compulsively sexual, aggressive men have done very well indeed.
JFK? Bill Clinton? Lloyd George? Mitterand? Chirac? Berlusconi? Bush Senior? Gladstone? Mussolini?
High testosterone = high ambition = high achievement = a lot of seduced/ravished women.
Not forgetting Trump, LBJ, Alan Clark, Prescott and even Robin Cook and John Major of course.
On the whole I don't think voters are that bothered about sex scandals provided the politician in question is not a hypocrite and constantly preaching family values and they have not done anything illegal.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard this explanation before and it’s always sounded like an excuse (“Poor me, I’m so driven to be the CEO that I can’t stop myself putting my hands up your skirt.”) Give me a break. If you have that much determination you have enough to control your urges. You’re not some rutting stag, for God’s sake.
Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
Indeed, all the research I have seen indicates that the two things that are most predictive of the highest levels of success in any field are:
1. self-control and 2. a big capacity for delayed-gratification.
Lack of self-control is strongly predictive of failure.
Which makes me think that the likes of Weinstein - successful men who prey on women - are all the more evil as they clearly do have self-control, and only let loose their baser instincts when they judge it to be sufficiently safe - i.e. when they know the power differential is sufficient to scare the female out of reporting it.
What a lot of bollocks.
I'm not excusing predatory men - at all - but the merest glimpse at politics (just one sphere) shows that compulsively sexual, aggressive men have done very well indeed.
JFK? Bill Clinton? Lloyd George? Mitterand? Chirac? Berlusconi? Bush Senior? Gladstone? Mussolini?
High testosterone = high ambition = high achievement = a lot of seduced/ravished women.
A fail on 2 counts: some of those you cite had mistresses but that does not mean that they assaulted women without their consent. There are plenty of successful men who aren’t sex pests and plenty of sex pests with high testosterone who are not at all successful.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
Indeed, all the safe - i.e. when they know the power differential is sufficient to scare the female out of reporting it.
What a lot of bollocks.
I'm not excusing predatory men - at all - but the merest glimpse at politics (just one sphere) shows that compulsively sexual, aggressive men have done very well indeed.
JFK? Bill Clinton? Lloyd George? Mitterand? Chirac? Berlusconi? Bush Senior? Gladstone? Mussolini?
High testosterone = high ambition = high achievement = a lot of seduced/ravished women.
Not forgetting Trump, LBJ, Alan Clark, Prescott and even Robin Cook and John Major of course.
On the whole I don't think voters are that bothered about sex scandals provided the politician in question is not a hypocrite and constantly preaching family values and they have not done anything illegal.
Moreover, a LOT of women are highly attracted to very successful/rich/powerful men, even if the women know they will just be another notch-on-the-bedpost. This is particularly true in the arts, especially music (many women will confess they would spend one night with singer x "just because") but it is also true of actors, painters, designers, architects, even writers, and - if they are truly powerful enough - businessmen and politicians.
Women do this voluntarily. Consensually. So it's not surprising some alpha successful men get the unwarranted feeling they can pretty much fuck who they want.
This, again, does not excuse, but it explains. It is evolutionary. Women want those alpha genes, albeit subconsciously.
Yeah: Stephen Crabb and Mark Garnier. Alpha successful men with women throwing themselves at them.. FFS!
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard this explanation before and it’s always sounded like an excuse (“Poor me, I’m so driven to be the CEO that I can’t stop myself putting my hands up your skirt.”) Give me a break. If you have that much determination you have enough to control your urges. You’re not some rutting stag, for God’s sake.
Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
Indeed, all the research I have seen indicates that the two things that are most predictive of the highest levels of success in any field are:
1. self-control and 2. a big capacity for delayed-gratification.
Lack of self-control is strongly predictive of failure.
Which makes me think that the likes of Weinstein - successful men who prey on women - are all the more evil as they clearly do have self-control, and only let loose their baser instincts when they judge it to be sufficiently safe - i.e. when they know the power differential is sufficient to scare the female out of reporting it.
What a lot of bollocks.
I'm not excusing predatory men - at all - but the merest glimpse at politics (just one sphere) shows that compulsively sexual, aggressive men have done very well indeed.
JFK? Bill Clinton? Lloyd George? Mitterand? Chirac? Berlusconi? Bush Senior? Gladstone? Mussolini?
High testosterone = high ambition = high achievement = a lot of seduced/ravished women.
All done in societies that permitted them to get away with it to the point of encouraging it, and in some of those societies, even lauding it.
Which makes my point. These men were successful, they knew how to behave better but chose not to and, in most cases, operated in work environments where they were not punished for it, but actually encouraged.
We can do better as a society, and each of these men could have done better personally, especially if it was made clear to them that such behaviour was not tolerable.
PS And what Cyclefree said - seduction is not assault or rape.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
Indeed, all the safe - i.e. when they know the power differential is sufficient to scare the female out of reporting it.
What a lot of bollocks.
I'm not excusing predatory men - at all - but the merest glimpse at politics (just one sphere) shows that compulsively sexual, aggressive men have done very well indeed.
JFK? Bill Clinton? Lloyd George? Mitterand? Chirac? Berlusconi? Bush Senior? Gladstone? Mussolini?
High testosterone = high ambition = high achievement = a lot of seduced/ravished women.
Not forgetting Trump, LBJ, Alan Clark, Prescott and even Robin Cook and John Major of course.
On the whole I don't think voters are that bothered about sex scandals provided the politician in question is not a hypocrite and constantly preaching family values and they have not done anything illegal.
Moreover, a LOT of women are highly attracted to very successful/rich/powerful men, even if the women know they will just be another notch-on-the-bedpost. This is particularly true in the arts, especially music (many women will confess they would spend one night with singer x "just because") but it is also true of actors, painters, designers, architects, even writers, and - if they are truly powerful enough - businessmen and politicians.
Women do this voluntarily. Consensually. So it's not surprising some alpha successful men get the unwarranted feeling they can pretty much fuck who they want.
This, again, does not excuse, but it explains. It is evolutionary. Women want those alpha genes, albeit subconsciously.
There is something in that, look at the love lives of Premiership Footballers as well.
As Henry Kissinger said 'power is a great aphrodisiac', money and fame too. Look at the number of beautiful women pretty average looking multi millionaires attract.
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard this explanation before and it’s always sounded like an excuse (“Poor me, I’m so driven to be the CEO that I can’t stop myself putting my hands up your skirt.”) Give me a break. If you have that much determination you have enough to control your urges. You’re not some rutting stag, for God’s sake.
Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
Indeed, all the research I have seen indicates that the two things that are most predictive of the highest levels of success in any field are:
1. self-control and 2. a big capacity for delayed-gratification.
Lack of self-control is strongly predictive of failure.
Which makes me think that the likes of Weinstein - successful men who prey on women - are all the more evil as they clearly do have self-control, and only let loose their baser instincts when they judge it to be sufficiently safe - i.e. when they know the power differential is sufficient to scare the female out of reporting it.
What a lot of bollocks.
I'm not excusing predatory men - at all - but the merest glimpse at politics (just one sphere) shows that compulsively sexual, aggressive men have done very well indeed.
High testosterone = high ambition = high achievement = a lot of seduced/ravished women.
A fail on 2 counts: some of those you cite had mistresses but that does not mean that they assaulted women without their consent. There are plenty of successful men who aren’t sex pests and plenty of sex pests with high testosterone who are not at all successful.
And second, seduction is not the same as assault.
Deluded.
You are giving a master class this evening in showing how men, while not wanting to excuse but merely “explain”, are actually seeking to excuse by reference to all sorts of evolutionary nonsense while ignoring the very simple fact that all men have a choice. And these men chose to behave in a way which was boorish at best and criminal at worst.
And women are sick to the back teeth of having to put up with both the behaviour and the pathetic explanations for it.
Moreover, a LOT of women are highly attracted to very successful/rich/powerful men, even if the women know they will just be another notch-on-the-bedpost. This is particularly true in the arts, especially music (many women will confess they would spend one night with singer x "just because") but it is also true of actors, painters, designers, architects, even writers, and - if they are truly powerful enough - businessmen and politicians.
Women do this voluntarily. Consensually. So it's not surprising some alpha successful men get the unwarranted feeling they can pretty much fuck who they want.
This, again, does not excuse, but it explains. It is evolutionary. Women want those alpha genes, albeit subconsciously.
There is something in that, look at the love lives of Premiership Footballers as well.
As Henry Kissinger said 'power is a great aphrodisiac', money and fame too. Look at the number of beautiful women pretty average looking multi millionaires attract.
But that is not germane to this discussion of men who assault women. That is germane to men who have consensual relations with willing female partners, even if those relations are outside one or other's marriages.
Moreover, a LOT of women are highly attracted to very successful/rich/powerful men, even if the women know they will just be another notch-on-the-bedpost. This is particularly true in the arts, especially music (many women will confess they would spend one night with singer x "just because") but it is also true of actors, painters, designers, architects, even writers, and - if they are truly powerful enough - businessmen and politicians.
Women do this voluntarily. Consensually. So it's not surprising some alpha successful men get the unwarranted feeling they can pretty much fuck who they want.
This, again, does not excuse, but it explains. It is evolutionary. Women want those alpha genes, albeit subconsciously.
There is something in that, look at the love lives of Premiership Footballers as well.
As Henry Kissinger said 'power is a great aphrodisiac', money and fame too. Look at the number of beautiful women pretty average looking multi millionaires attract.
But that is not germane to this discussion of men who assault women. That is germane to men who have consensual relations with willing female partners, even if those relations are outside one or other's marriages.
None of the newspaper allegations tonight directly relate to actual physical assaults on women either as far as I can see.
You are giving a master class this evening in showing how men, while not wanting to excuse but merely “explain”, are actually seeking to excuse by reference to all sorts of evolutionary nonsense while ignoring the very simple fact that all men have a choice. And these men chose to behave in a way which was boorish at best and criminal at worst.
And women are sick to the back teeth of having to put up with both the behaviour and the pathetic explanations for it.
Moreover, a LOT of women are highly attracted to very successful/rich/powerful men, even if the women know they will just be another notch-on-the-bedpost. This is particularly true in the arts, especially music (many women will confess they would spend one night with singer x "just because") but it is also true of actors, painters, designers, architects, even writers, and - if they are truly powerful enough - businessmen and politicians.
Women do this voluntarily. Consensually. So it's not surprising some alpha successful men get the unwarranted feeling they can pretty much fuck who they want.
This, again, does not excuse, but it explains. It is evolutionary. Women want those alpha genes, albeit subconsciously.
There is something in that, look at the love lives of Premiership Footballers as well.
As Henry Kissinger said 'power is a great aphrodisiac', money and fame too. Look at the number of beautiful women pretty average looking multi millionaires attract.
But that is not germane to this discussion of men who assault women. That is germane to men who have consensual relations with willing female partners, even if those relations are outside one or other's marriages.
It is germane to the fostering or reinforcing of an attitude towards women as sexual objects who neither need nor deserve rights, among those who see sexual availability as a perk of their position.
As an aside, while it's overwhelmingly men on women, that's a function of power structures and sexual orientation ratios. At some point, a young man is going to accuse a powerful middle-aged woman, which the media will love.
Moreover, a LOT of women are highly attracted to very successful/rich/powerful men, even if the women know they will just be another notch-on-the-bedpost. This is particularly true in the arts, especially music (many women will confess they would spend one night with singer x "just because") but it is also true of actors, painters, designers, architects, even writers, and - if they are truly powerful enough - businessmen and politicians.
Women do this voluntarily. Consensually. So it's not surprising some alpha successful men get the unwarranted feeling they can pretty much fuck who they want.
This, again, does not excuse, but it explains. It is evolutionary. Women want those alpha genes, albeit subconsciously.
There is something in that, look at the love lives of Premiership Footballers as well.
As Henry Kissinger said 'power is a great aphrodisiac', money and fame too. Look at the number of beautiful women pretty average looking multi millionaires attract.
But that is not germane to this discussion of men who assault women. That is germane to men who have consensual relations with willing female partners, even if those relations are outside one or other's marriages.
It is germane to the fostering or reinforcing of an attitude towards women as sexual objects who neither need nor deserve rights, among those who see sexual availability as a perk of their position.
As an aside, while it's overwhelmingly men on women, that's a function of power structures and sexual orientation ratios. At some point, a young man is going to accuse a powerful middle-aged woman, which the media will love.
Agreed, but it seems some are taking the step further and saying it is an explanation for non-consensual behaviours.
Moreover, a LOT of women are highly attracted to very successful/rich/powerful men, even if the women know they will just be another notch-on-the-bedpost. This is particularly true in the arts, especially music (many women will confess they would spend one night with singer x "just because") but it is also true of actors, painters, designers, architects, even writers, and - if they are truly powerful enough - businessmen and politicians.
Women do this voluntarily. Consensually. So it's not surprising some alpha successful men get the unwarranted feeling they can pretty much fuck who they want.
This, again, does not excuse, but it explains. It is evolutionary. Women want those alpha genes, albeit subconsciously.
There is something in that, look at the love lives of Premiership Footballers as well.
As Henry Kissinger said 'power is a great aphrodisiac', money and fame too. Look at the number of beautiful women pretty average looking multi millionaires attract.
But that is not germane to this discussion of men who assault women. That is germane to men who have consensual relations with willing female partners, even if those relations are outside one or other's marriages.
None of the newspaper allegations tonight directly relate to actual physical assaults on women either as far as I can see.
Sexual assault and harassment do not need to be physical. Asking a secretary to buy sex toys for you when she may not feel herself to be in a position refuse is way past any line I'd care to draw on sexual harassment.
Its great that all these sexual misdemeanours are coming to the surface tonight, but its high time that financial misdemeanours which anyone can investigate by going through Companies House records of MP's came to the surface as well. That requires going through reams and reams of paperwork, that many find boring, but its highly highly illuminating when you know where to look.
Only if one is a fantasist such as yourself. When's sovereign debt crash? Finished quoted the fraudster and liar you seem to hold in such great respect?
Why is politics populated by people with massively over-active libidos?
Politics attracts people who enjoy taking risks.
People who have drive and commitment to get to the top in their careers often have strong drives in other aspects of their personalities as well.
I’ve heard Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
Indeed, all the research I have seen indicates that the two things that are most predictive of the highest levels of success in any field are:
1. self-control and 2. a big capacity for delayed-gratification.
Lack of self-control is strongly predictive of failure.
Which makes me think that the likes of Weinstein - successful men who prey on women - are all the more evil as they clearly do have self-control, and only let loose their baser instincts when they judge it to be sufficiently safe - i.e. when they know the power differential is sufficient to scare the female out of reporting it.
What a lot of bollocks.
I'm not excusing predatory men - at all - but the merest glimpse at politics (just one sphere) shows that compulsively sexual, aggressive men have done very well indeed.
High testosterone = high ambition = high achievement = a lot of seduced/ravished women.
A fail on 2 counts: some of those you cite had mistresses but that does not mean that they assaulted women without their consent. There are plenty of successful men who aren’t sex pests and plenty of sex pests with high testosterone who are not at all successful.
And second, seduction is not the same as assault.
Deluded.
You are giving a master class this evening in showing how men, while not wanting to excuse but merely “explain”, are actually seeking to excuse by reference to all sorts of evolutionary nonsense while ignoring the very simple fact that all men have a choice. And these men chose to behave in a way which was boorish at best and criminal at worst.
And women are sick to the back teeth of having to put up with both the behaviour and the pathetic explanations for it.
No, you’re just being boringly stupid.
How very tedious for you, Sean, to have to read arguments you don't agree with. Makes the ad feminam quite understandable.
You are giving a master class this evening in showing how men, while not wanting to excuse but merely “explain”, are actually seeking to excuse by reference to all sorts of evolutionary nonsense while ignoring the very simple fact that all men have a choice. And these men chose to behave in a way which was boorish at best and criminal at worst.
And women are sick to the back teeth of having to put up with both the behaviour and the pathetic explanations for it.
You are confusing explanation with excuse, and description with prescription. It is a point Richard Dawkins has had to make repeatedly ever since publishing The Selfish Gene that to state that our genes predispose us to attempt to survive and breed at any cost is not to say that we should act accordingly. I am sure you have every reason to be angry, but evolutionary accounts of human behaviour are not nonsense - they are the only game in town; and seeking to explain is not pathetic. If you want to combat something, it helps if you understand it.
Moreover, a LOT of women are highly attracted to very successful/rich/powerful men, even if the women know they will just be another notch-on-the-bedpost. This is particularly true in the arts, especially music (many women will confess they would spend one night with singer x "just because") but it is also true of actors, painters, designers, architects, even writers, and - if they are truly powerful enough - businessmen and politicians.
Women do this voluntarily. Consensually. So it's not surprising some alpha successful men get the unwarranted feeling they can pretty much fuck who they want.
This, again, does not excuse, but it explains. It is evolutionary. Women want those alpha genes, albeit subconsciously.
There is something in that, look at the love lives of Premiership Footballers as well.
As Henry Kissinger said 'power is a great aphrodisiac', money and fame too. Look at the number of beautiful women pretty average looking multi millionaires attract.
But that is not germane to this discussion of men who assault women. That is germane to men who have consensual relations with willing female partners, even if those relations are outside one or other's marriages.
None of the newspaper allegations tonight directly relate to actual physical assaults on women either as far as I can see.
Sexual assault and harassment do not need to be physical. Asking a secretary to buy sex toys for you when she may not feel herself to be in a position refuse is way past any line I'd care to draw on sexual harassment.
I understand the comments about alpha males etc. We were given an example on an all staff call a few weeks back of a female colleague being complimented on her blouse colour and then asked if her *ahem* undergarments were the same colour. I was really shocked that this had happened in what I consider to be a really progressive employer.
I have brought my kids up to never say anything to a colleague that they would not be happy to say to their wife, mother or sister. In one son's case that may not result in appropriate responses knowing him.
Sitting at lunch in the city’s few weeks back the adjacent table had 3 men (40, 30 & 30) and one younger woman (mid twenties, attractive) - the “banter” in particular from the 40- something man who obviously considered himself a bit of a wag) made my blood run cold - but the young lady was laughing along - possibly she was enjoying it, possibly her junior position made confronting it ill advised.
Moreover, a LOT of women are highly attracted to very successful/rich/powerful men, even if the women know they will just be another notch-on-the-bedpost. This is particularly true in the arts, especially music (many women will confess they would spend one night with singer x "just because") but it is also true of actors, painters, designers, architects, even writers, and - if they are truly powerful enough - businessmen and politicians.
Women do this voluntarily. Consensually. So it's not surprising some alpha successful men get the unwarranted feeling they can pretty much fuck who they want.
This, again, does not excuse, but it explains. It is evolutionary. Women want those alpha genes, albeit subconsciously.
There is something in that, look at the love lives of Premiership Footballers as well.
As Henry Kissinger said 'power is a great aphrodisiac', money and fame too. Look at the number of beautiful women pretty average looking multi millionaires attract.
But that is not germane to this discussion of men who assault women. That is germane to men who have consensual relations with willing female partners, even if those relations are outside one or other's marriages.
None of the newspaper allegations tonight directly relate to actual physical assaults on women either as far as I can see.
Sexual assault and harassment do not need to be physical. Asking a secretary to buy sex toys for you when she may not feel herself to be in a position refuse is way past any line I'd care to draw on sexual harassment.
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The consequences of the allegations/behaviour on individuals/families, less so.
Not sure he will resign his seat over it but his re-election was always unlikely
http://viz.co.uk/category/cartoons/strip-cartoons/baxter-basics/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaydTJqZoIM
I see the first Mueller indictment has been handed down.
This may be an old-fashioned view but some of us think that the essence of being an adult man is that you don’t behave like a 14-year old boy.
The question is where will this end. The two conservative mps named tonight look like the tip of an iceberg
Having a strong sex drive is no excuse for boorish behaviour and bullying. There are plenty of ways of satisfying a sex drive without humiliating secretaries or leering at girls young enough to be your daughter.
All my guides begin with 'You should listen to me because I know you will not do well in prison'
http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/elections2017/
(I am available for a reasonable fee. And worth every penny.)
I have not encountered such behaviour during my career in Medicine. Maybe I am too naive to notice. Maybe people are just good at doing these things away from disapproving eyes.
Sexual overtures between people of very different ages and career power are ripe for abusive behaviour. Any profession where patronage matters for career progress is even more ripe for abuse.
Even I blushed at the sexual comments contained in them.
Yes, me.
Very little shocked me. Some of it sickened me though. There was one particularly revolting case, where I felt “dirty” after days trawling through the evidence.
1. self-control and
2. a big capacity for delayed-gratification.
Lack of self-control is strongly predictive of failure.
Which makes me think that the likes of Weinstein - successful men who prey on women - are all the more evil as they clearly do have self-control, and only let loose their baser instincts when they judge it to be sufficiently safe - i.e. when they know the power differential is sufficient to scare the female out of reporting it.
All this alpha male bollocks is just rationalising vile behaviour. I do it because I’m a bully and I can get away with it. It’s still bollocks, whatever pseudo-scientific Greek word you describe it as.
On the whole I don't think voters are that bothered about sex scandals provided the politician in question is not a hypocrite and constantly preaching family values and they have not done anything illegal.
And second, seduction is not the same as assault.
Which makes my point. These men were successful, they knew how to behave better but chose not to and, in most cases, operated in work environments where they were not punished for it, but actually encouraged.
We can do better as a society, and each of these men could have done better personally, especially if it was made clear to them that such behaviour was not tolerable.
PS And what Cyclefree said - seduction is not assault or rape.
As Henry Kissinger said 'power is a great aphrodisiac', money and fame too. Look at the number of beautiful women pretty average looking multi millionaires attract.
And women are sick to the back teeth of having to put up with both the behaviour and the pathetic explanations for it.
As an aside, while it's overwhelmingly men on women, that's a function of power structures and sexual orientation ratios. At some point, a young man is going to accuse a powerful middle-aged woman, which the media will love.
For a long time, it'd intrigued me why women constantly threw themselves at me.
Now I know. It's a consequence of being an alpha male.
Phew. Good to have that sorted out.
Sexual assault and harassment do not need to be physical. Asking a secretary to buy sex toys for you when she may not feel herself to be in a position refuse is way past any line I'd care to draw on sexual harassment.
Makes the ad feminam quite understandable.
I have brought my kids up to never say anything to a colleague that they would not be happy to say to their wife, mother or sister. In one son's case that may not result in appropriate responses knowing him.