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    archer101auarcher101au Posts: 1,612

    rcs1000 said:

    rcs1000 said:

    But legally, the EU cannot deliver the FTA as part of the A50 agreement.

    "the Union shall negotiate and conclude an agreement with that State, setting out the arrangements for its withdrawal, taking account of the framework for its future relationship with the Union."

    Your view contradicts the text of Article 50.
    No, you need to read the legal opinions. The EU can possibly agree transitional provisions under A50 (as long as there is a clear destination) but cannot agree an FTA. A50 does not overrule the EU requirements for a ratification of an FTA.

    The sooner people realise that the EU cannot and will not deliver an FTA in return for cash, the quicker we can move forward. Even if we make an agreement on destination under A50, there is nothing we can do to enforce it.

    http://brexitcentral.com/legal-ins-outs-implementation-periods-avoiding-negotiation-noose/

    I'm sorry, but you and that article are incorrect.

    The UK government's legal advice - and negotiating strategy - are completely correct in this matter: "Nothing is settled until everything is settled". A view which was accepted early on by the EU negotiators.
    'Everything' does not include an FTA, particularly one that is without precedent anywhere in the world.
    Unbelievably I agree with williamglenn. Even Barnier is on record stating that the EU cannot agree a FTA with the UK until the UK is a 'third country'. Extract below from http://www.politico.eu/article/eu-michel-barnier-mandate-goal-in-brexit-talks-negotiations-divorce-first-trade-deal-citizens-rights/

    "Article 50 clearly requires that negotiators “take account of the framework” of a future relationship with the U.K. But EU officials and law experts said that the treaties also effectively block Barnier from negotiating such a relationship — whether that is a free trade deal, some kind of association agreement, or something else.

    To do so, Barnier must receive new negotiating directives under Article 218, which governs how accords are reached with “third countries or international organizations.”

    “You cannot conclude an agreement on trade with the U.K. on the basis of Article 50 because the aim, the content, of the procedures are different,” said Jean-Claude Piris, who served as director-general of the legal service of Council of the European Union from 1988 to 2010, and worked as a legal adviser during negotiations on the Maastricht, Amsterdam, Nice and Lisbon treaties."
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,965
    Check the look Hammond gives May at 00:43 on the BBC clip of her answering Corbyns question on UC today
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    The Canadian province of Quebec has passed a sweeping ban on face coverings – barring public workers from wearing the niqab or burqa and obliging citizens to unveil when riding public transit or receiving government services – ushering in a law believed to be the first of its kind in North America.

    The legislation was adopted on Wednesday, capping off two years of work by the province’s Liberal government to address the issue of state neutrality.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/oct/18/quebec-passes-law-banning-muslims-from-wearing-face-coverings-in-public
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    Re the commentary on Fox, I fail to understand how somebody of such limited talents can rise to the top (and worse float back up). I presume he has compromising photographs because there’s no other obvious reason.

    He shows the tendency of many medical professionals to have a belief in their own expertise in any subject despite all the objective evidence to the contrary. It must be the training.
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    Scott_P said:
    They’re right, and as Robert says we need to show that we are making serious plans to exit to WTO rules. At this point if we get a trade deal or some kind of transition agreement then that’s a bonus, more important is to have prepared to leave without one, to end the uncertainty of businesses.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Time to own up: who is @locomoto ... and how did you post your own thread...
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    OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 32,038
    Charles said:

    Time to own up: who is @locomoto ... and how did you post your own thread...

    Yes, I wondered that.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Charles said:

    Time to own up: who is @locomoto ... and how did you post your own thread...

    I missed that. Was it on AV? We can live in hope!
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    Charles said:

    Time to own up: who is @locomoto ... and how did you post your own thread...

    Yes, I wondered that.
    Sunil offered to honour his 10 billion to one bet on TSE defecting to UKIP if he was allowed to post it?

    (That's a joke, btw!)
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,334

    Charles said:

    Time to own up: who is @locomoto ... and how did you post your own thread...

    I missed that. Was it on AV? We can live in hope!
    No, but coincidentally this morning's second choice thread will be on multi-member constituencies :smiley:
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    asjohnstoneasjohnstone Posts: 1,276
    37 year old Jacinda Arden just appointed New Zealand PM, has background as a policy advisor in Tony Blairs cabinet office
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927
    Charles said:

    Time to own up: who is @locomoto ... and how did you post your own thread...

    That’s been seen a few times before. Looks like a Vanilla display bug, whereby a thread appears in the PB archive list that comes from another forum.

    The joys of online software, where the customers do the testing and the bugs get ironed out in production.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    Time to own up: who is @locomoto ... and how did you post your own thread...

    That’s been seen a few times before. Looks like a Vanilla display bug, whereby a thread appears in the PB archive list that comes from another forum.

    The joys of online software, where the customers do the testing and the bugs get ironed out in production.
    Surely that goes for any piece of software...
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,965
    Peters goes with Labour. Blimey !
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 49,927

    Sandpit said:

    Charles said:

    Time to own up: who is @locomoto ... and how did you post your own thread...

    That’s been seen a few times before. Looks like a Vanilla display bug, whereby a thread appears in the PB archive list that comes from another forum.

    The joys of online software, where the customers do the testing and the bugs get ironed out in production.
    Surely that goes for any piece of software...
    Anything that’s easily updated and patched, unfortunately so. Microsoft long laid off almost their entire QA team, and Apple are now using more beta testers (like me) in favour of their own QA. Only embedded systems in critical industries seems to get any proper pre-release testing these days.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,062
    HYUFD said:

    malcolmg said:

    HYUFD said:

    JohnO said:

    And even on Con Home favourabity ratings, it’s Ruth Davidson that tops the polls. Most members are not that ideologically committed one way or the other.

    If Davidson was a Leaver she would win easily but she is not and she is not interested in the job snyway
    LOL and people moan about Jezza, no wonder public is flocking to Labour. Davidson is crap, surely there must be be one or two talented people in Tory party among all the donkeys.
    Davidson made the biggest gains of any Tory leader in Scotland for decades in June
    Only way from ZERO is UP
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