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edited September 2017 in General

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14 council by-elections tonight. Nine Tory defences, four Labour, one Lib Dem.

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    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Fourteen? That seems unusually high.
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    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)


    image
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    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
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    RobD said:

    Fourteen? That seems unusually high.

    By my reckoning there were only 12 by elections in the whole of August.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)


    image
    It's like any divorce. A lifetime of recriminations and both sides poorer, though at least we can have rejoining to look forward to.

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    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    Can we have an AV one :-)
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    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)


    image
    It's like any divorce. A lifetime of recriminations and both sides poorer, though at least we can have rejoining to look forward to.

    The European Union = Richard Burton

    Le Royame-Uni = Elizabeth Taylor?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    On the war front there is some good news:

    https://twitter.com/UKDefJournal/status/905808075722039297
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    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    Can we have an AV one :-)
    You're getting two AV threads next week.
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    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    Can we have an AV one :-)
    You're getting two AV threads next week.
    Ambassador, you are really spoiling us...
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    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    Can we have an AV one :-)
    You're getting two AV threads next week.
    Ambassador, you are really spoiling us...
    I might even throw in a couple of Scottish Independence threads as well.
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,837
    edited September 2017

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)


    image
    My No 1 prediction for Brexit back in June last year was that people who voted to Leave because they don't like the EU very much and wanted to get shot of it would be very disappointed to find that the EU will feature much more in our lives outside than in and we would never be more beholden to the EU than when we leave.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited September 2017

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    Can we have an AV one :-)
    You're getting two AV threads next week.
    Ambassador, you are really spoiling us...
    I might even throw in a couple of Scottish Independence threads as well.
    ScottP will explode...Are you ready for half of twitter to be linked in a single thread?
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    The European Union = Richard Burton

    Le Royame-Uni = Elizabeth Taylor?

    England = Zsa-Zsa Gabor
    Scotland = Husband no 1
    Ireland = Husband no 2
    India = Husband no 3
    ...
    The EU = Husband no 9
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    The European Union = Richard Burton

    Le Royame-Uni = Elizabeth Taylor?

    England = Zsa-Zsa Gabor
    Scotland = Husband no 1
    Ireland = Husband no 2
    India = Husband no 3
    ...
    The EU = Husband no 9
    This has given me an idea for a thread, and my last divorce/Brexit thread enraged so many Leavers.
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    You could do a thread on Hurricane Irma, due to hit Florida this weekend. It's the biggest and most powerful storm on record. Hotels up to Nashville are full with retreating Floridians and coastal Georgians.
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    Tim_B said:

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    You could do a thread on Hurricane Irma, due to hit Florida this weekend. It's the biggest and most powerful storm on record. Hotels up to Nashville are full with retreating Floridians and coastal Georgians.
    I have been thinking about that, if Trump handles it badly, what would be the outcome of that, could he flip Florida and Georgia back to the Dems?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    Did I just hear the AV Thread Klaxon?
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669

    Tim_B said:

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    You could do a thread on Hurricane Irma, due to hit Florida this weekend. It's the biggest and most powerful storm on record. Hotels up to Nashville are full with retreating Floridians and coastal Georgians.
    I have been thinking about that, if Trump handles it badly, what would be the outcome of that, could he flip Florida and Georgia back to the Dems?
    Trump got praise from all sides for his handling of Harvey, so he should do fine with Irma.

    The only exceptions - predictably - were CNN and MsNBC who said he didn't bring 'empathy'. The folks don't need empathy, they need money.
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    Tim_B said:

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    You could do a thread on Hurricane Irma, due to hit Florida this weekend. It's the biggest and most powerful storm on record. Hotels up to Nashville are full with retreating Floridians and coastal Georgians.
    I have been thinking about that, if Trump handles it badly, what would be the outcome of that, could he flip Florida and Georgia back to the Dems?

    Perhaps he could build a sea wall and the hurricane will pay for it?

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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    RobD said:

    Did I just hear the AV Thread Klaxon?

    Klaxon - is that a Klingon with a speech impediment?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    RobD said:

    Did I just hear the AV Thread Klaxon?

    It will probably be how AV would have resulted in us staying in the EU
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    Can we have an AV one :-)
    You're getting two AV threads next week.
    Ambassador, you are really spoiling us...
    I might even throw in a couple of Scottish Independence threads as well.
    With the SNP on the backfoot less interesting, JRM's tip of Tom Tugendhat or even the Kiwi election (NP having already covered the German election the next day) would be more interesting
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,837

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    Can we have an AV one :-)
    You're getting two AV threads next week.
    Ambassador, you are really spoiling us...
    I might even throw in a couple of Scottish Independence threads as well.
    Actually something significant in Scotland in the last couple of days. Nicola Sturgeon has realised a decade of "Masterful Inactivity" can look a lot like drift. She has now decided to adopt some policies. (and has done so in a somewhat clever way for a minority government of picking a policy that would please each of the other parties).
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    Tim_BTim_B Posts: 7,669
    NFL football starts tonight! Da Boyz hosting the Giants at Jerry World is the NBC Sunday night game.
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    RobD said:

    Did I just hear the AV Thread Klaxon?

    Adult Video?? :lol:
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    SandpitSandpit Posts: 50,024
    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    You could do a thread on Hurricane Irma, due to hit Florida this weekend. It's the biggest and most powerful storm on record. Hotels up to Nashville are full with retreating Floridians and coastal Georgians.
    I have been thinking about that, if Trump handles it badly, what would be the outcome of that, could he flip Florida and Georgia back to the Dems?
    Trump got praise from all sides for his handling of Harvey, so he should do fine with Irma.

    The only exceptions - predictably - were CNN and MsNBC who said he didn't bring 'empathy'. The folks don't need empathy, they need money.
    And most of the people on the ground trying to help with the situation hate nothing more than to waste a couple of precious days having to deal with a VVIP and his 747 full of entourage.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,616
    edited September 2017

    The European Union = Richard Burton

    Le Royame-Uni = Elizabeth Taylor?

    England = Zsa-Zsa Gabor
    Scotland = Husband no 1
    Ireland = Husband no 2
    India = Husband no 3
    ...
    The EU = Husband no 9
    This has given me an idea for a thread, and my last divorce/Brexit thread enraged so many Leavers.
    UK = responsible, hard-working husband

    EU = profligate gold-digger.
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    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    Can we have an AV one :-)
    You're getting two AV threads next week.
    Ambassador, you are really spoiling us...
    I might even throw in a couple of Scottish Independence threads as well.
    I was in Scotland from Saturday to yesterday.
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    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)


    image
    It's like any divorce. A lifetime of recriminations and both sides poorer, though at least we can have rejoining to look forward to.

    EU = Jennifer Tilly's character in the Jim Carrey movie "Liar Liar" :lol:
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    What we need is nighthawks back. It is the only place for stories like this.

    https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/905891651201245190
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 36,013
    FF43 said:

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)


    image
    My No 1 prediction for Brexit back in June last year was that people who voted to Leave because they don't like the EU very much and wanted to get shot of it would be very disappointed to find that the EU will feature much more in our lives outside than in and we would never be more beholden to the EU than when we leave.
    So, joining the EU is like going to live in Royston Vazey.?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    What we need is nighthawks back. It is the only place for stories like this.

    https://twitter.com/foxinsoxuk/status/905891651201245190

    And this

    "The wrath of a hurricane can ruin delicate pieces of liquid history," Gungle said. "Hurricanes Andrew, Katrina and Sandy ruined tens of millions of dollars worth of fine wine."

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1BI2A8
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,088
    edited September 2017

    The European Union = Richard Burton

    Le Royame-Uni = Elizabeth Taylor?

    England = Zsa-Zsa Gabor
    Scotland = Husband no 1
    Ireland = Husband no 2
    India = Husband no 3
    ...
    The EU = Husband no 9
    This has given me an idea for a thread, and my last divorce/Brexit thread enraged so many Leavers.
    A few of us remainers hate the whole divorce metaphor nonsense, too.

    The AV threads, on the other hand....
    :smile:

    And, maybe, the enraging Leavers thing....
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    Sean_F said:

    FF43 said:

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)


    image
    My No 1 prediction for Brexit back in June last year was that people who voted to Leave because they don't like the EU very much and wanted to get shot of it would be very disappointed to find that the EU will feature much more in our lives outside than in and we would never be more beholden to the EU than when we leave.
    So, joining the EU is like going to live in Royston Vazey.?
    Brexit is more like the relationship of Steptoe and Son. Dreams of something better dashed by cruel reality.
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    The European Union = Richard Burton

    Le Royame-Uni = Elizabeth Taylor?

    England = Zsa-Zsa Gabor
    Scotland = Husband no 1
    Ireland = Husband no 2
    India = Husband no 3
    ...
    The EU = Husband no 9
    'Gabor died at the age of 99 of cardiac arrest at Ronald Reagan UCLA Medical Center,[1] on December 18, 2016, less than two months before she would have become a centenarian.[70] She had been on life support for the previous five years'
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    geoffwgeoffw Posts: 8,187

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)


    image
    It's like any divorce. A lifetime of recriminations and both sides poorer, though at least we can have rejoining to look forward to.

    The European Union = Richard Burton

    Le Royame-Uni = Elizabeth Taylor?
    No gender fluidity please! You've mixed up the French genders there.
    L'Union Européenne = Elizabeth Taylor
    Le Royaume-Uni = Richard Burton
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    Tim_B said:

    Tim_B said:

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    You could do a thread on Hurricane Irma, due to hit Florida this weekend. It's the biggest and most powerful storm on record. Hotels up to Nashville are full with retreating Floridians and coastal Georgians.
    I have been thinking about that, if Trump handles it badly, what would be the outcome of that, could he flip Florida and Georgia back to the Dems?
    Trump got praise from all sides for his handling of Harvey, so he should do fine with Irma.

    The only exceptions - predictably - were CNN and MsNBC who said he didn't bring 'empathy'. The folks don't need empathy, they need money.
    Strange how the old 'the most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the government and I'm here to help' saw disappears in a puff of smoke at these moments.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,302
    edited September 2017
    There are a lot of unanswered questions. The BBC headline makes it sound like he went on his holibobs and ended up in prison.

    This is the story of Hennessy, who spent three years at school in London and was detained on his way back to Europe.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-41195589/migrant-crisis-i-feel-like-a-dead-person
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,837
    edited September 2017
    Sean_F said:

    FF43 said:

    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)


    image
    My No 1 prediction for Brexit back in June last year was that people who voted to Leave because they don't like the EU very much and wanted to get shot of it would be very disappointed to find that the EU will feature much more in our lives outside than in and we would never be more beholden to the EU than when we leave.
    So, joining the EU is like going to live in Royston Vazey.?
    For some people. That group is kind of self-selecting, but got the say over what happens to the rest of us.
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    eekeek Posts: 25,093

    There are a lot of unanswered questions. The BBC headline makes it sound like he went on his holibobs and ended up in prison.

    This is the story of Hennessy, who spent three years at school in London and was detained on his way back to Europe.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-africa-41195589/migrant-crisis-i-feel-like-a-dead-person

    One of which is I'm sure I heard his story a few weeks ago.. Oh I did https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/migrant-crisis-a-hackney-schoolboy-s-journey-to-hell-of-a-tripoli-cell-z63p7pmb5
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    Charles said:

    Matt nails it, again!

    (can't link it as don't have premium access)

    Very apt for PB these days...
    The sad truth is for UK politics Brexit is the only story in town, well that and Mrs May's crapness.

    I'm trying to avoid doing many Brexit threads, that's why I've done threads on videos of Donald Trump & urinating prostitutes and a nuclear war on the Korean peninsula being good for Sir Michael Fallon's career.
    A thread on polling methodology/techniques could be interesting. I was thinking of proposing something but I have not had the time lately.
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    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Theresa May has been accused of “rigging” Parliament to defy the result of the general election and give Tory MPs majority control over all legislation.

    In what Labour called “an unprecedented power grab”, the Government is trying to give itself the power to dominate every bill committee from now until 2022.

    A controversial new motion tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom seeks to ensure that Conservatives have a majority on all standing committees that are the powerhouses of all prospective laws.

    The Tories lost their majority in the election after Labour’s ‘Corbyn surge’, but the attempted reform would give unprecedented power to a minority government for the first time.

    The motion, which has been seen by HuffPost UK but is not formally published until Friday, would mean the PM could control her legislative agenda even without the aid of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).

    With May already under fire over plans to use the EU (Withdrawal) Bill to give ministers sweeping powers beyond the scrutiny of MPs and peers, the latest move has sparked a furious backlash from Labour.

    The motion, tabled by Leadsom on Thursday for a vote next Tuesday, states that Commons rules will be changed so that “where a committee has an odd number of members, the Government shall have a majority”.

    And “where a committee has an even number of members, the number of Government and Opposition members shall be equal, but this instruction shall not apply to the nomination of any public bill committee [which hammers out the guts of legislation]”.

    The move effectively creates a back-door way around the Committee of Selection, the body that is the traditional way of choosing MPs for each standing and select committee.

    It also ensures that the Tories will have a majority to rule on Statutory Instruments included in the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, and avoid attempts to amend their Brexit plans.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-rigging-parliament-committee-of-selection-standing-committees_uk_59b1a514e4b0dfaafcf68a04?8bo
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    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Theresa May has been accused of “rigging” Parliament to defy the result of the general election and give Tory MPs majority control over all legislation.

    In what Labour called “an unprecedented power grab”, the Government is trying to give itself the power to dominate every bill committee from now until 2022.

    A controversial new motion tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom seeks to ensure that Conservatives have a majority on all standing committees that are the powerhouses of all prospective laws.

    The Tories lost their majority in the election after Labour’s ‘Corbyn surge’, but the attempted reform would give unprecedented power to a minority government for the first time.

    The motion, which has been seen by HuffPost UK but is not formally published until Friday, would mean the PM could control her legislative agenda even without the aid of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).

    With May already under fire over plans to use the EU (Withdrawal) Bill to give ministers sweeping powers beyond the scrutiny of MPs and peers, the latest move has sparked a furious backlash from Labour.

    The motion, tabled by Leadsom on Thursday for a vote next Tuesday, states that Commons rules will be changed so that “where a committee has an odd number of members, the Government shall have a majority”.

    And “where a committee has an even number of members, the number of Government and Opposition members shall be equal, but this instruction shall not apply to the nomination of any public bill committee [which hammers out the guts of legislation]”.

    The move effectively creates a back-door way around the Committee of Selection, the body that is the traditional way of choosing MPs for each standing and select committee.

    It also ensures that the Tories will have a majority to rule on Statutory Instruments included in the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, and avoid attempts to amend their Brexit plans.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-rigging-parliament-committee-of-selection-standing-committees_uk_59b1a514e4b0dfaafcf68a04?8bo

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

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    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,255
    edited September 2017

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    It gives parliamentary sovereignty in 'a very real way'.
    https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/905373104423276544
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    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

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    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    It gives parliamentary sovereignty in 'a very real way'.
    https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/905373104423276544
    Ah yes, the thick as mince John Redwood who said Brexit would be quick and easy.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Theresa May has been accused of “rigging” Parliament to defy the result of the general election and give Tory MPs majority control over all legislation.

    In what Labour called “an unprecedented power grab”, the Government is trying to give itself the power to dominate every bill committee from now until 2022.

    A controversial new motion tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom seeks to ensure that Conservatives have a majority on all standing committees that are the powerhouses of all prospective laws.

    The Tories lost their majority in the election after Labour’s ‘Corbyn surge’, but the attempted reform would give unprecedented power to a minority government for the first time.

    The motion, which has been seen by HuffPost UK but is not formally published until Friday, would mean the PM could control her legislative agenda even without the aid of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).

    With May already under fire over plans to use the EU (Withdrawal) Bill to give ministers sweeping powers beyond the scrutiny of MPs and peers, the latest move has sparked a furious backlash from Labour.

    The motion, tabled by Leadsom on Thursday for a vote next Tuesday, states that Commons rules will be changed so that “where a committee has an odd number of members, the Government shall have a majority”.

    And “where a committee has an even number of members, the number of Government and Opposition members shall be equal, but this instruction shall not apply to the nomination of any public bill committee [which hammers out the guts of legislation]”.

    The move effectively creates a back-door way around the Committee of Selection, the body that is the traditional way of choosing MPs for each standing and select committee.

    It also ensures that the Tories will have a majority to rule on Statutory Instruments included in the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, and avoid attempts to amend their Brexit plans.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-rigging-parliament-committee-of-selection-standing-committees_uk_59b1a514e4b0dfaafcf68a04?8bo

    I am sure that the Tories will be just as supportive when Jezza has the same power over these comittees and executive authority over Henry VIII powers.

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,088

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.
    The Brexit Jacobins ?

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    It gives parliamentary sovereignty in 'a very real way'.
    https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/905373104423276544
    Ah yes, the thick as mince John Redwood who said Brexit would be quick and easy.
    Surely Redwood is a Vulcan, it is David Davis who is as thick as mince?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,691
    edited September 2017

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    Enough to stop this obscenity.

    Can't see Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke, nor Anna Soubry voting for this, so we need only four other Tory MPs to back democracy.
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    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    It gives parliamentary sovereignty in 'a very real way'.
    https://twitter.com/johnredwood/status/905373104423276544
    Ah yes, the thick as mince John Redwood who said Brexit would be quick and easy.
    Surely Redwood is a Vulcan, it is David Davis who is as thick as mince?
    John Redwood's a Romulan.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Theresa May has been accused of “rigging” Parliament to defy the result of the general election and give Tory MPs majority control over all legislation.

    In what Labour called “an unprecedented power grab”, the Government is trying to give itself the power to dominate every bill committee from now until 2022.

    A controversial new motion tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom seeks to ensure that Conservatives have a majority on all standing committees that are the powerhouses of all prospective laws.

    The Tories lost their majority in the election after Labour’s ‘Corbyn surge’, but the attempted reform would give unprecedented power to a minority government for the first time.

    The motion, which has been seen by HuffPost UK but is not formally published until Friday, would mean the PM could control her legislative agenda even without the aid of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).

    With May already under fire over plans to use the EU (Withdrawal) Bill to give ministers sweeping powers beyond the scrutiny of MPs and peers, the latest move has sparked a furious backlash from Labour.

    The motion, tabled by Leadsom on Thursday for a vote next Tuesday, states that Commons rules will be changed so that “where a committee has an odd number of members, the Government shall have a majority”.

    And “where a committee has an even number of members, the number of Government and Opposition members shall be equal, but this instruction shall not apply to the nomination of any public bill committee [which hammers out the guts of legislation]”.

    The move effectively creates a back-door way around the Committee of Selection, the body that is the traditional way of choosing MPs for each standing and select committee.

    It also ensures that the Tories will have a majority to rule on Statutory Instruments included in the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, and avoid attempts to amend their Brexit plans.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-rigging-parliament-committee-of-selection-standing-committees_uk_59b1a514e4b0dfaafcf68a04?8bo

    I am sure that the Tories will be just as supportive when Jezza has the same power over these comittees and executive authority over Henry VIII powers.

    How likely is it he becomes PM before 2019?
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    Enough to stop this obscenity.

    Hypothetically, if you wanted to offer Gibraltar as part of the divorce settlement, Henry VIII powers might be quite useful.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,044

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Theresa May has been accused of “rigging” Parliament to defy the result of the general election and give Tory MPs majority control over all legislation.

    In what Labour called “an unprecedented power grab”, the Government is trying to give itself the power to dominate every bill committee from now until 2022.

    A controversial new motion tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom seeks to ensure that Conservatives have a majority on all standing committees that are the powerhouses of all prospective laws.

    The Tories lost their majority in the election after Labour’s ‘Corbyn surge’, but the attempted reform would give unprecedented power to a minority government for the first time.

    The motion, which has been seen by HuffPost UK but is not formally published until Friday, would mean the PM could control her legislative agenda even without the aid of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).

    With May already under fire over plans to use the EU (Withdrawal) Bill to give ministers sweeping powers beyond the scrutiny of MPs and peers, the latest move has sparked a furious backlash from Labour.

    The motion, tabled by Leadsom on Thursday for a vote next Tuesday, states that Commons rules will be changed so that “where a committee has an odd number of members, the Government shall have a majority”.

    And “where a committee has an even number of members, the number of Government and Opposition members shall be equal, but this instruction shall not apply to the nomination of any public bill committee [which hammers out the guts of legislation]”.

    The move effectively creates a back-door way around the Committee of Selection, the body that is the traditional way of choosing MPs for each standing and select committee.

    It also ensures that the Tories will have a majority to rule on Statutory Instruments included in the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, and avoid attempts to amend their Brexit plans.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-rigging-parliament-committee-of-selection-standing-committees_uk_59b1a514e4b0dfaafcf68a04?8bo

    That is disturbing if true. Needs to be opposed by decent right-minded Conservatives.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    Enough to stop this obscenity.

    Hypothetically, if you wanted to offer Gibraltar as part of the divorce settlement, Henry VIII powers might be quite useful.
    I want whatever you are on :p
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    RobD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Theresa May has been accused of “rigging” Parliament to defy the result of the general election and give Tory MPs majority control over all legislation.

    In what Labour called “an unprecedented power grab”, the Government is trying to give itself the power to dominate every bill committee from now until 2022.

    A controversial new motion tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom seeks to ensure that Conservatives have a majority on all standing committees that are the powerhouses of all prospective laws.

    The Tories lost their majority in the election after Labour’s ‘Corbyn surge’, but the attempted reform would give unprecedented power to a minority government for the first time.

    The motion, which has been seen by HuffPost UK but is not formally published until Friday, would mean the PM could control her legislative agenda even without the aid of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).

    With May already under fire over plans to use the EU (Withdrawal) Bill to give ministers sweeping powers beyond the scrutiny of MPs and peers, the latest move has sparked a furious backlash from Labour.

    The motion, tabled by Leadsom on Thursday for a vote next Tuesday, states that Commons rules will be changed so that “where a committee has an odd number of members, the Government shall have a majority”.

    And “where a committee has an even number of members, the number of Government and Opposition members shall be equal, but this instruction shall not apply to the nomination of any public bill committee [which hammers out the guts of legislation]”.

    The move effectively creates a back-door way around the Committee of Selection, the body that is the traditional way of choosing MPs for each standing and select committee.

    It also ensures that the Tories will have a majority to rule on Statutory Instruments included in the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, and avoid attempts to amend their Brexit plans.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-rigging-parliament-committee-of-selection-standing-committees_uk_59b1a514e4b0dfaafcf68a04?8bo

    I am sure that the Tories will be just as supportive when Jezza has the same power over these comittees and executive authority over Henry VIII powers.

    How likely is it he becomes PM before 2019?
    Collapse of the government is quite possible, extension of the deadline too, or merely an incoming government deciding that precedent allows them to reintroduce the powers.
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    RobD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    I am sure that the Tories will be just as supportive when Jezza has the same power over these comittees and executive authority over Henry VIII powers.

    How likely is it he becomes PM before 2019?
    Given the way Mrs May is behaving, quite likely.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214
    edited September 2017

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?
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    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    Enough to stop this obscenity.

    Can't see Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke, nor Anna Soubry voting for this, so we need only four other Tory MPs to back democracy.

    In all seriousness, this is a genuine test of how committed to Parliamentary democracy the Conservative party under Theresa May really is. If the Tories vote this through it will demonstrate unequivocally they have no respect for the will of the people as expressed through the ballot box. It'll certainly turn me Corbynista!!

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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 63,088
    IDS on Newsnight regarding Juncker's comments about David Davis... "a few drinks, and away you go..."
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    Enough to stop this obscenity.

    Can't see Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke, nor Anna Soubry voting for this, so we need only four other Tory MPs to back democracy.

    In all seriousness, this is a genuine test of how committed to Parliamentary democracy the Conservative party under Theresa May really is. If the Tories vote this through it will demonstrate unequivocally they have no respect for the will of the people as expressed through the ballot box. It'll certainly turn me Corbynista!!

    Why is it not respecting the will of the people if Labour insist on holding up the Brexit the people voted for? The committees will still scrutinise the repeal process
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    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    Enough to stop this obscenity.

    Can't see Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke, nor Anna Soubry voting for this, so we need only four other Tory MPs to back democracy.
    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
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    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    Enough to stop this obscenity.

    Can't see Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke, nor Anna Soubry voting for this, so we need only four other Tory MPs to back democracy.

    In all seriousness, this is a genuine test of how committed to Parliamentary democracy the Conservative party under Theresa May really is. If the Tories vote this through it will demonstrate unequivocally they have no respect for the will of the people as expressed through the ballot box. It'll certainly turn me Corbynista!!

    Loonies for Corbyn.

    The people voted for Brexit and then for the present Commons. Live with it.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,986
    edited September 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214

    RobD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    I am sure that the Tories will be just as supportive when Jezza has the same power over these comittees and executive authority over Henry VIII powers.

    How likely is it he becomes PM before 2019?
    Given the way Mrs May is behaving, quite likely.
    I expect more voters support reducing low skilled immigration for the foreseeable future than could care less about the precise composition of standing and select committees
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    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?
    But this is a United Kingdom Parliament. not a GB Parliament.
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    dixiedean said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Theresa May has been accused of “rigging” Parliament to defy the result of the general election and give Tory MPs majority control over all legislation.

    In what Labour called “an unprecedented power grab”, the Government is trying to give itself the power to dominate every bill committee from now until 2022.

    A controversial new motion tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom seeks to ensure that Conservatives have a majority on all standing committees that are the powerhouses of all prospective laws.

    The Tories lost their majority in the election after Labour’s ‘Corbyn surge’, but the attempted reform would give unprecedented power to a minority government for the first time.

    The motion, which has been seen by HuffPost UK but is not formally published until Friday, would mean the PM could control her legislative agenda even without the aid of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).

    With May already under fire over plans to use the EU (Withdrawal) Bill to give ministers sweeping powers beyond the scrutiny of MPs and peers, the latest move has sparked a furious backlash from Labour.

    The motion, tabled by Leadsom on Thursday for a vote next Tuesday, states that Commons rules will be changed so that “where a committee has an odd number of members, the Government shall have a majority”.

    And “where a committee has an even number of members, the number of Government and Opposition members shall be equal, but this instruction shall not apply to the nomination of any public bill committee [which hammers out the guts of legislation]”.

    The move effectively creates a back-door way around the Committee of Selection, the body that is the traditional way of choosing MPs for each standing and select committee.

    It also ensures that the Tories will have a majority to rule on Statutory Instruments included in the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, and avoid attempts to amend their Brexit plans.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-rigging-parliament-committee-of-selection-standing-committees_uk_59b1a514e4b0dfaafcf68a04?8bo

    That is disturbing if true. Needs to be opposed by decent right-minded Conservatives.

    Good stuff - so that's two Tory democrats on here!

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    RobD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    I am sure that the Tories will be just as supportive when Jezza has the same power over these comittees and executive authority over Henry VIII powers.

    How likely is it he becomes PM before 2019?
    Given the way Mrs May is behaving, quite likely.
    Indeed, it speeds up the triumph of Corbynism no end.

    Though actually corbyn would probably use the executive powers wisely. He has a natural sympathy for grass roots democracy, that May simply cannot tolerate.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

    Actually the Tories did get a majority of seats in England, Scotland and Wales combined just not a majority once you included Northern Ireland, as the EU has indicated today it intends to do a separate Brexit deal with NI anyway so the Tories do have a majority to implement Brexit for the rest of the UK
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

    Actually the Tories did get a majority of seats in England, Scotland and Wales combined just not a majority once you included Northern Ireland, as the EU has indicated today it intends to do a separate Brexit deal with NI anyway so the Tories do have a majority to implement Brexit for the rest of the UK

    The anti-democrat is struggling. It's the UK parliament.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?
    But this is a United Kingdom Parliament. not a GB Parliament.
    A UK Parliament where the largest party in Northern Ireland have backed the Tories anyway

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    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    Enough to stop this obscenity.

    Can't see Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke, nor Anna Soubry voting for this, so we need only four other Tory MPs to back democracy.

    In all seriousness, this is a genuine test of how committed to Parliamentary democracy the Conservative party under Theresa May really is. If the Tories vote this through it will demonstrate unequivocally they have no respect for the will of the people as expressed through the ballot box. It'll certainly turn me Corbynista!!

    Loonies for Corbyn.

    The people voted for Brexit and then for the present Commons. Live with it.

    Another in the anti-democrat column. You may not have noticed, but the people chose not to give any party a majority in the Commons.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

    Actually the Tories did get a majority of seats in England, Scotland and Wales combined just not a majority once you included Northern Ireland, as the EU has indicated today it intends to do a separate Brexit deal with NI anyway so the Tories do have a majority to implement Brexit for the rest of the UK

    The anti-democrat is struggling. It's the UK parliament.

    Not that the EU seems that bothered about that given there moves for a separate NI deal and of course the Brexit backing DUP won most seats in NI and backed the Tories anyway
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?
    But this is a United Kingdom Parliament. not a GB Parliament.
    A UK Parliament where the largest party in Northern Ireland have backed the Tories anyway

    Exactly. There is a TORY DUP majority in seats.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?
    But this is a United Kingdom Parliament. not a GB Parliament.
    A UK Parliament where the largest party in Northern Ireland have backed the Tories anyway

    Exactly. There is a TORY DUP majority in seats.
    Indeed and the DUP backed Brexit even when the then Tory leader was leading the Remain campaign last June
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

    Actually the Tories did get a majority of seats in England, Scotland and Wales combined just not a majority once you included Northern Ireland, as the EU has indicated today it intends to do a separate Brexit deal with NI anyway so the Tories do have a majority to implement Brexit for the rest of the UK

    The anti-democrat is struggling. It's the UK parliament.

    Not that the EU seems that bothered about that given there moves for a separate NI deal and of course the Brexit backing DUP won most seats in NI and backed the Tories anyway

    It has nothing to do with the EU, I'm afraid. This is a Tory government seeking to undermine the will of the British people as expressed through the ballot box.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022
    I think I liked Nick P's suggestion of a cross-party committee to oversee the use of any executive power relating to the act until the powers expire on exit day. I'm not sure there is sufficient time on the Parliamentary calendar for everything tonne done via act.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

    Actually the Tories did get a majority of seats in England, Scotland and Wales combined just not a majority once you included Northern Ireland, as the EU has indicated today it intends to do a separate Brexit deal with NI anyway so the Tories do have a majority to implement Brexit for the rest of the UK

    The anti-democrat is struggling. It's the UK parliament.

    Not that the EU seems that bothered about that given there moves for a separate NI deal and of course the Brexit backing DUP won most seats in NI and backed the Tories anyway

    It has nothing to do with the EU, I'm afraid. This is a Tory government seeking to undermine the will of the British people as expressed through the ballot box.

    Every government since the war has done that. :p
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214
    edited September 2017

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

    Actually the Tories did get a majority of seats in England, Scotland and Wales combined just not a majority once you included Northern Ireland, as the EU has indicated today it intends to do a separate Brexit deal with NI anyway so the Tories do have a majority to implement Brexit for the rest of the UK

    The anti-democrat is struggling. It's the UK parliament.

    Not that the EU seems that bothered about that given there moves for a separate NI deal and of course the Brexit backing DUP won most seats in NI and backed the Tories anyway

    It has nothing to do with the EU, I'm afraid. This is a Tory government seeking to undermine the will of the British people as expressed through the ballot box.

    No this is hardcore Remainers like you attempting to portray yourself as 'democrats' while yet again pushing to frustrate and undermine the vote of 17 million people for Brexit
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

    Actually the Tories did get a majority of seats in England, Scotland and Wales combined just not a majority once you included Northern Ireland, as the EU has indicated today it intends to do a separate Brexit deal with NI anyway so the Tories do have a majority to implement Brexit for the rest of the UK

    The anti-democrat is struggling. It's the UK parliament.

    Not that the EU seems that bothered about that given there moves for a separate NI deal and of course the Brexit backing DUP won most seats in NI and backed the Tories anyway

    It has nothing to do with the EU, I'm afraid. This is a Tory government seeking to undermine the will of the British people as expressed through the ballot box.

    Brexit was expressed in 2016.

    And at the 2017 GE leaving the single market too.
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,380



    In all seriousness, this is a genuine test of how committed to Parliamentary democracy the Conservative party under Theresa May really is. If the Tories vote this through it will demonstrate unequivocally they have no respect for the will of the people as expressed through the ballot box. It'll certainly turn me Corbynista!!

    A Friends Reunited moment! :)
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    RobDRobD Posts: 59,022

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

    Actually the Tories did get a majority of seats in England, Scotland and Wales combined just not a majority once you included Northern Ireland, as the EU has indicated today it intends to do a separate Brexit deal with NI anyway so the Tories do have a majority to implement Brexit for the rest of the UK

    The anti-democrat is struggling. It's the UK parliament.

    Not that the EU seems that bothered about that given there moves for a separate NI deal and of course the Brexit backing DUP won most seats in NI and backed the Tories anyway

    It has nothing to do with the EU, I'm afraid. This is a Tory government seeking to undermine the will of the British people as expressed through the ballot box.

    Brexit was expressed in 2016.

    And at the 2017 GE leaving the single market too.
    Yeah... those voters didn't vote for Labour's current policy (whatever that is).
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

    Actually the Tories did get a majority of seats in England, Scotland and Wales combined just not a majority once you included Northern Ireland, as the EU has indicated today it intends to do a separate Brexit deal with NI anyway so the Tories do have a majority to implement Brexit for the rest of the UK

    The anti-democrat is struggling. It's the UK parliament.

    Not that the EU seems that bothered about that given there moves for a separate NI deal and of course the Brexit backing DUP won most seats in NI and backed the Tories anyway

    It has nothing to do with the EU, I'm afraid. This is a Tory government seeking to undermine the will of the British people as expressed through the ballot box.

    No this is hardcore Remainers like you attempting to portray yourself as 'democrats' while yet again pushing to frustrate and undermine the vote of 17 million people for Brexit

    Nope. You do not believe in democracy. The people voted in June. The result was that no party received a majority. The Tory government now seeks to undermine the verdict they delivered. It has nothing to do with me, the EU, Leave or Remain.

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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,255
    edited September 2017
    IDS thinks Mutti will save us, even if she denies it and even if she does nothing publicly. Mutti is omnipresent...
    https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/905911364375506949
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 28,044

    dixiedean said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Theresa May has been accused of “rigging” Parliament to defy the result of the general election and give Tory MPs majority control over all legislation.

    In what Labour called “an unprecedented power grab”, the Government is trying to give itself the power to dominate every bill committee from now until 2022.

    A controversial new motion tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom seeks to ensure that Conservatives have a majority on all standing committees that are the powerhouses of all prospective laws.

    The Tories lost their majority in the election after Labour’s ‘Corbyn surge’, but the attempted reform would give unprecedented power to a minority government for the first time.

    The motion, which has been seen by HuffPost UK but is not formally published until Friday, would mean the PM could control her legislative agenda even without the aid of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).

    With May already under fire over plans to use the EU (Withdrawal) Bill to give ministers sweeping powers beyond the scrutiny of MPs and peers, the latest move has sparked a furious backlash from Labour.

    The motion, tabled by Leadsom on Thursday for a vote next Tuesday, states that Commons rules will be changed so that “where a committee has an odd number of members, the Government shall have a majority”.

    And “where a committee has an even number of members, the number of Government and Opposition members shall be equal, but this instruction shall not apply to the nomination of any public bill committee [which hammers out the guts of legislation]”.

    The move effectively creates a back-door way around the Committee of Selection, the body that is the traditional way of choosing MPs for each standing and select committee.

    It also ensures that the Tories will have a majority to rule on Statutory Instruments included in the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, and avoid attempts to amend their Brexit plans.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-rigging-parliament-committee-of-selection-standing-committees_uk_59b1a514e4b0dfaafcf68a04?8bo

    That is disturbing if true. Needs to be opposed by decent right-minded Conservatives.

    Good stuff - so that's two Tory democrats on here!

    Not a Tory. However, I have faith that there are decent, right-thinking Conservatives. We will see how many...
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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

    Actually the Tories did get a majority of seats in England, Scotland and Wales combined just not a majority once you included Northern Ireland, as the EU has indicated today it intends to do a separate Brexit deal with NI anyway so the Tories do have a majority to implement Brexit for the rest of the UK

    The anti-democrat is struggling. It's the UK parliament.

    Not that the EU seems that bothered about that given there moves for a separate NI deal and of course the Brexit backing DUP won most seats in NI and backed the Tories anyway

    It has nothing to do with the EU, I'm afraid. This is a Tory government seeking to undermine the will of the British people as expressed through the ballot box.

    Brexit was expressed in 2016.

    And at the 2017 GE leaving the single market too.

    And that has nothing to do with the Tories giving themselves majorities on committees that the will of the people did not deliver to them.

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    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    Enough to stop this obscenity.

    Can't see Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke, nor Anna Soubry voting for this, so we need only four other Tory MPs to back democracy.
    But you believe in elected dictatorship - who's the hypocrite now?
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    bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 21,911
    edited September 2017
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?
    But this is a United Kingdom Parliament. not a GB Parliament.
    A UK Parliament where the largest party in Northern Ireland have backed the Tories anyway

    Exactly. There is a TORY DUP majority in seats.
    Indeed and the DUP backed Brexit even when the then Tory leader was leading the Remain campaign last June
    And MLP could still win in France.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,691
    edited September 2017

    IDS thinks Mutti will save us, even if she denies it and even if she does nothing publicly. Mutti is omnipresent...
    https://twitter.com/BBCNewsnight/status/905911364375506949

    Chancellor Merkel's re-election is the new German car manufacturers will force the EU to give us a good deal isn't it?
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    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Theresa May has been accused of “rigging” Parliament to defy the result of the general election and give Tory MPs majority control over all legislation.

    In what Labour called “an unprecedented power grab”, the Government is trying to give itself the power to dominate every bill committee from now until 2022.

    A controversial new motion tabled by Commons Leader Andrea Leadsom seeks to ensure that Conservatives have a majority on all standing committees that are the powerhouses of all prospective laws.

    The Tories lost their majority in the election after Labour’s ‘Corbyn surge’, but the attempted reform would give unprecedented power to a minority government for the first time.

    The motion, which has been seen by HuffPost UK but is not formally published until Friday, would mean the PM could control her legislative agenda even without the aid of the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP).

    With May already under fire over plans to use the EU (Withdrawal) Bill to give ministers sweeping powers beyond the scrutiny of MPs and peers, the latest move has sparked a furious backlash from Labour.

    The motion, tabled by Leadsom on Thursday for a vote next Tuesday, states that Commons rules will be changed so that “where a committee has an odd number of members, the Government shall have a majority”.

    And “where a committee has an even number of members, the number of Government and Opposition members shall be equal, but this instruction shall not apply to the nomination of any public bill committee [which hammers out the guts of legislation]”.

    The move effectively creates a back-door way around the Committee of Selection, the body that is the traditional way of choosing MPs for each standing and select committee.

    It also ensures that the Tories will have a majority to rule on Statutory Instruments included in the EU (Withdrawal) Bill, and avoid attempts to amend their Brexit plans.


    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/theresa-may-rigging-parliament-committee-of-selection-standing-committees_uk_59b1a514e4b0dfaafcf68a04?8bo

    That is disturbing if true. Needs to be opposed by decent right-minded Conservatives.

    Good stuff - so that's two Tory democrats on here!

    Not a Tory. However, I have faith that there are decent, right-thinking Conservatives. We will see how many...

    Apologies. We will see. I hope that there are enough Torirs in the Commons who can see beyond partisanship. It's a genuine test for them.

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    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?

    I'll put you down as an anti-democrat then.

    The Tories did not get a majority of seats in June. That's kind of the point.

    Actually the Tories did get a majority of seats in England, Scotland and Wales combined just not a majority once you included Northern Ireland, as the EU has indicated today it intends to do a separate Brexit deal with NI anyway so the Tories do have a majority to implement Brexit for the rest of the UK

    The anti-democrat is struggling. It's the UK parliament.

    Not that the EU seems that bothered about that given there moves for a separate NI deal and of course the Brexit backing DUP won most seats in NI and backed the Tories anyway

    It has nothing to do with the EU, I'm afraid. This is a Tory government seeking to undermine the will of the British people as expressed through the ballot box.

    No this is hardcore Remainers like you attempting to portray yourself as 'democrats' while yet again pushing to frustrate and undermine the vote of 17 million people for Brexit

    Nope. You do not believe in democracy. The people voted in June.

    June 2016?

    LEAVE 52%
    REMAIN 48%

    :innocent:
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    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    Enough to stop this obscenity.

    Can't see Dominic Grieve, Ken Clarke, nor Anna Soubry voting for this, so we need only four other Tory MPs to back democracy.
    But you believe in elected dictatorship - who's the hypocrite now?
    You miss the salient part of my plan.

    I want to be the country's first Directly Elected Dictator, I will ask the people to give me those powers, then, and only then, will I assert those powers.

    Mrs May is usurping power without a mandate to do so, where was this in her manifesto?
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    Chancellor Merkel's re-election is the new German car manufacturers will force the EU to give is a good deal isn't it?

    Then after the election it will be: "As soon as her coalition negotiations are out of the way, she'll have more freedom."
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,214

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Sic semper tyrannis.

    Mrs May is not a democrat. And obviously the Tory MPs who proclaim their faith in the will of the people will back her. The hypocrisy is rank and utterly predictable. Party before country every single time.

    We're doing this to ensure Parliament is sovereign Leavers have gone curiously quiet.

    Is it too much to hope there are some Tories out there who do genuinely believe in respecting the will of the people? Will all of them really be so supine, so anti-democratic as to wave this through?

    The people who voted 52% Leave in June 2016 and gave the Tories a majority of the seats in GB in June 2017 you mean?
    But this is a United Kingdom Parliament. not a GB Parliament.
    A UK Parliament where the largest party in Northern Ireland have backed the Tories anyway

    Exactly. There is a TORY DUP majority in seats.
    Indeed and the DUP backed Brexit even when the then Tory leader was leading the Remain campaign last June
    And MLP could still win in France.
    She did win most departements and regions in round 1
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