But take cheese: if it is made from milk with a specified somatic cell count, is made with the same formula and in the same way, does it matter if it is made in one town or the next?
Of course it does. The microclimate, the vegetation, the soil, the breed of cattle all have an influence on the product. That's why specific areas have become renowned. Plus there is no downside - indeed, quite the opposite. If you buy Parmigiano-Reggiano, you get something good. If you buy something calling itself 'parmesan' in the US, you get rubbish made in a factory. American consumers are being conned, whereas the French-inspired EU regulations have been a superb spur to improved and consistent quality.
The Americans would argue that there is no fraud. The names they use for products protected by GIs in Europe arose because they were being made by immigrants from those regions. Italian immigrants to the US still wanted their parmesan and so it started to be made in the US and was called parmesan because that's the name the immigrants knew it by. Over time it increasingly diverged from the original for various reasons - but the purpose was never to con.
US Budweiser v. Budweiser Budvar.
I'll say they diverged!
US Budweiser is gnats piss. Prohibition killed off US beer-making for good, as all the German breweries and beer gardens in the Mid-West got shut down.
Lots of good American craft beers these days...The big brands are universally terrible.
But take cheese: if it is made from milk with a specified somatic cell count, is made with the same formula and in the same way, does it matter if it is made in one town or the next?
Of course it does. The microclimate, the vegetation, the soil, the breed of cattle all have an influence on the product. That's why specific areas have become renowned. Plus there is no downside - indeed, quite the opposite. If you buy Parmigiano-Reggiano, you get something good. If you buy something calling itself 'parmesan' in the US, you get rubbish made in a factory. American consumers are being conned, whereas the French-inspired EU regulations have been a superb spur to improved and consistent quality.
The Americans would argue that there is no fraud. The names they use for products protected by GIs in Europe arose because they were being made by immigrants from those regions. Italian immigrants to the US still wanted their parmesan and so it started to be made in the US and was called parmesan because that's the name the immigrants knew it by. Over time it increasingly diverged from the original for various reasons - but the purpose was never to con.
US Budweiser v. Budweiser Budvar.
I'll say they diverged!
US Budweiser is gnats piss. Prohibition killed off US beer-making for good, as all the German breweries and beer gardens in the Mid-West got shut down.
Lots of good American craft beers these days...The big brands are universally terrible.
Beer quality is much improved in the US. In the big cities most bars will have at least a couple of decent brews on tap - Sam Adams, Sierra Nevada, Anchor Steam etc. Long gone are the days when it was Budweiser and Miller Lite. Thank the Lord.
Jeremy Corbyn’s former campaign director and chief of staff, Simon Fletcher, has joined the campaign to get Richard Leonard, the favourite of Corbyn supporters, elected as the next leader of Scottish Labour.
Why the F are they even thinking about cutting rates? The interest rate being on the floor is the root cause of a whole load of problems, from house prices to pensions to the savings rate - they need to be edged up towards 2% over the course of the next couple of years.
Merkel will clearly remain Chancellor but in my view as head of a minority government.The SPD have no desire it seems for another Grand Coalition and if the AfD do indeed come third (comparisons with Le Pen and Wilders should remember that both still came second) then the CSU will almost certainly veto a Jamaica coalition as any deal with the Greens ahead of the AfD would go down like a lead balloon in their base of Bavaria, the most conservative state in Germany.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
Like this
Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
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Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan was voicing his opposition to Brown’s hypocritical stance of supporting free movement when in the EU Parliament yet going on about BJ4BW when back in the UK.
I’d be very surprised if Dan Hannan has ever supported state funding for any industry, he’s a free-market libertarian.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
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Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Autumn election timetable is currently as follows:
Mon 11 Sep Norway
Sat 23 Sep New Zealand
Sun 24 Sep Germany
Sun 15 Oct Austria
Fri/Sat 20/21 Oct Czech Republic
Tue 7 Nov New Jersey & Virginia Governors
Sun 19 Nov/17 Dec Chile Presidential
Finally, negotiations on the new Dutch government continue (election was 15th March!) between VVD, CDA, D66, and CU.
Best wishes to the PB team and posters!
DC
Thanks old chap.
Norway could be interesting. It looks likely that the Greens might gain a few more than their single MP and could hold the balance of power. They have stated they want an immediate end to all new licencing for oil exploration which would have a massively detrimental effect on the Norwegian economy.
But take cheese: if it is made from milk with a specified somatic cell count, is made with the same formula and in the same way, does it matter if it is made in one town or the next?
Of course it does. The microclimate, the vegetation, the soil, the breed of cattle all have an influence on the product. That's why specific areas have become renowned. Plus there is no downside - indeed, quite the opposite. If you buy Parmigiano-Reggiano, you get something good. If you buy something calling itself 'parmesan' in the US, you get rubbish made in a factory. American consumers are being conned, whereas the French-inspired EU regulations have been a superb spur to improved and consistent quality.
The Americans would argue that there is no fraud. The names they use for products protected by GIs in Europe arose because they were being made by immigrants from those regions. Italian immigrants to the US still wanted their parmesan and so it started to be made in the US and was called parmesan because that's the name the immigrants knew it by. Over time it increasingly diverged from the original for various reasons - but the purpose was never to con.
US Budweiser v. Budweiser Budvar.
I'll say they diverged!
US Budweiser is gnats piss. Prohibition killed off US beer-making for good, as all the German breweries and beer gardens in the Mid-West got shut down.
Why the F are they even thinking about cutting rates? The interest rate being on the floor is the root cause of a whole load of problems, from house prices to pensions to the savings rate - they need to be edged up towards 2% over the course of the next couple of years.
Unfortunately we're stuck with it in Woking. Here's the news line up tonight:
1) Hate crimes against LGBT people in London. 2) Stop Brexit march in London on Saturday. 3) Police investigating the guy who made paedophile allegations against politicians. 4) Last night of the proms on Saturday. 5) Firefighters from Kensington on holiday in Cornwall.
Unfortunately we're stuck with it in Woking. Here's the news line up tonight:
1) Hate crimes against LGBT people in London. 2) Stop Brexit march in London on Saturday. 3) Police investigating the guy who made paedophile allegations against politicians. 4) Last night of the proms on Saturday. 5) Firefighters from Kensington on holiday in Cornwall.
Unfortunately we're stuck with it in Woking. Here's the news line up tonight:
1) Hate crimes against LGBT people in London. 2) Stop Brexit march in London on Saturday. 3) Police investigating the guy who made paedophile allegations against politicians. 4) Last night of the proms on Saturday. 5) Firefighters from Kensington on holiday in Cornwall.
4 is good
I cannot remember a time when the broadcast media and commentators were so out of step with the ordinary voter
Unfortunately we're stuck with it in Woking. Here's the news line up tonight:
1) Hate crimes against LGBT people in London. 2) Stop Brexit march in London on Saturday. 3) Police investigating the guy who made paedophile allegations against politicians. 4) Last night of the proms on Saturday. 5) Firefighters from Kensington on holiday in Cornwall.
4 is good
I don't disagree, but I think with the exception of the last story - and even that's dubious - they are all national stories that are happening in London. There is nothing on that list that is what I would consider to be local news.
Unfortunately we're stuck with it in Woking. Here's the news line up tonight:
1) Hate crimes against LGBT people in London. 2) Stop Brexit march in London on Saturday. 3) Police investigating the guy who made paedophile allegations against politicians. 4) Last night of the proms on Saturday. 5) Firefighters from Kensington on holiday in Cornwall.
4 is good
I cannot remember a time when the broadcast media and commentators were so out of step with the ordinary voter
Yes we want to see George going to school, bugger the hurricane and everything else
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
He sat on the Vote Leave campaign committee. He put his name to a campaign based on lies, and he's a proven liar in his own right.
Nope he made it clear at all times what his position was. Vote Leave was a coalition of many different ideas and aspirations united by the one basic fact that they wanted out of the EU. It is only you Euronutters who try and say everyone should believe the same things.
Unfortunately we're stuck with it in Woking. Here's the news line up tonight:
1) Hate crimes against LGBT people in London. 2) Stop Brexit march in London on Saturday. 3) Police investigating the guy who made paedophile allegations against politicians. 4) Last night of the proms on Saturday. 5) Firefighters from Kensington on holiday in Cornwall.
Not clear whether 2) was Chapman's brain child or something he just tagged onto. It all looks a bit embarrassing, check out the D listy look and feel of the speakers, and the rather desperate plea "If you represent a group or have recommendations for speakers please use the form at the bottom of this page to let us know."
Unfortunately we're stuck with it in Woking. Here's the news line up tonight:
1) Hate crimes against LGBT people in London. 2) Stop Brexit march in London on Saturday. 3) Police investigating the guy who made paedophile allegations against politicians. 4) Last night of the proms on Saturday. 5) Firefighters from Kensington on holiday in Cornwall.
Not clear whether 2) was Chapman's brain child or something he just tagged onto. It all looks a bit embarrassing, check out the D listy look and feel of the speakers, and the rather desperate plea "If you represent a group or have recommendations for speakers please use the form at the bottom of this page to let us know."
We are working with the London Metropolitan Police who will make sure everything is safe and secure before the march begins. Please be courteous to them and let them do their job. There will be press and media from around the world filming the march.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
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Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
He sat on the Vote Leave campaign committee. He put his name to a campaign based on lies, and he's a proven liar in his own right.
Nope he made it clear at all times what his position was. Vote Leave was a coalition of many different ideas and aspirations united by the one basic fact that they wanted out of the EU. It is only you Euronutters who try and say everyone should believe the same things.
When his position was that leaving would allow us to cut tariffs on Chilean wine he was either lying or not doing his job as an MEP properly. He is a post-truth demagogue.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
Like this
Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
Like this
Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
JRM has ruled himself out as a leadership contendor and instead backs Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman and Tonbridge and Malling MP Thomas Tugendhat, “He would be a much, much better candidate,” Rees-Mogg on Tuesday assured ConHome. “I’m a founder member of Tugmentum.”
If he wants to take over as PM in government he needs a big ministerial role first, though he is a good prospect, my mother remembers him as a boy when she was playing tennis with his mother
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
Like this
Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Well he certainly said it after the Brexit vote. In July last year he and others wrote a letter to the telegraph urging that:
"the Government, opposition parties and every candidate standing to be the next Conservative Party leader – and hence Prime Minister – to make an unequivocal statement that EU migrants currently living in the UK are welcome here, and that changes would apply only to new migrants. A clear commitment to protect the status of EU migrants was made by the official Vote Leave campaign – and it must be honoured."
That was signed by Dan Hannan, Gisella Stuart, Douglas Carswell and many others from both Remain and Leave. It is extremely unfortunate that they have not been listened to.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
Like this
Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
He sat on the Vote Leave campaign committee. He put his name to a campaign based on lies, and he's a proven liar in his own right.
Nope he made it clear at all times what his position was. Vote Leave was a coalition of many different ideas and aspirations united by the one basic fact that they wanted out of the EU. It is only you Euronutters who try and say everyone should believe the same things.
When his position was that leaving would allow us to cut tariffs on Chilean wine he was either lying or not doing his job as an MEP properly. He is a post-truth demagogue.
Not at all. Since his preferred option was along the lines of the EEA agreement we could very well have protected the status of EU citizens but been able to cut tariffs on Chilean wine as any other EFTA state can do should they choose. So it is you who are either lying or stupid.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
He sat on the Vote Leave campaign committee. He put his name to a campaign based on lies, and he's a proven liar in his own right.
Nope he made it clear at all times what his position was. Vote Leave was a coalition of many different ideas and aspirations united by the one basic fact that they wanted out of the EU. It is only you Euronutters who try and say everyone should believe the same things.
When his position was that leaving would allow us to cut tariffs on Chilean wine he was either lying or not doing his job as an MEP properly. He is a post-truth demagogue.
Not at all. Since his preferred option was along the lines of the EEA agreement we could very well have protected the status of EU citizens but been able to cut tariffs on Chilean wine as any other EFTA state can do should they choose. So it is you who are either lying or stupid.
You can't cut below 0%, unless you are proposing import subsidies on Chilean wine?
The EU signed an FTA with Chile in 2002 (before EFTA) and tariffs have long since been eliminated.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
He sat on the Vote Leave campaign committee. He put his name to a campaign based on lies, and he's a proven liar in his own right.
Nope he made it clear at all times what his position was. Vote Leave was a coalition of many different ideas and aspirations united by the one basic fact that they wanted out of the EU. It is only you Euronutters who try and say everyone should believe the same things.
When his position was that leaving would allow us to cut tariffs on Chilean wine he was either lying or not doing his job as an MEP properly. He is a post-truth demagogue.
Not at all. Since his preferred option was along the lines of the EEA agreement we could very well have protected the status of EU citizens but been able to cut tariffs on Chilean wine as any other EFTA state can do should they choose. So it is you who are either lying or stupid.
You can't cut below 0%, unless you are proposing import subsidies on Chilean wine?
The EU signed an FTA with Chile in 2002 (before EFTA) and tariffs have long since been eliminated.
JRM has ruled himself out as a leadership contendor and instead backs Foreign Affairs Committee Chairman and Tonbridge and Malling MP Thomas Tugendhat, “He would be a much, much better candidate,” Rees-Mogg on Tuesday assured ConHome. “I’m a founder member of Tugmentum.”
If he wants to take over as PM in government he needs a big ministerial role first, though he is a good prospect, my mother remembers him as a boy when she was playing tennis with his mother
From the link: "He was educated at St Paul’s School in London, and read theology at Bristol University (he is a devout Roman Catholic), followed by a masters’ degree in Islamic studies at Caius College, Cambridge, which included learning Arabic in Yemen." This is a problem if he holds the same RC inspired views as JRM.
It's fascinating that so many of the people for whom tariffs and trade policy have become the most totemic issue relating to national sovereignty don't seem to have the slightest level of intellectual curiosity about the subject.
Merkel will clearly remain Chancellor but in my view as head of a minority government.The SPD have no desire it seems for another Grand Coalition and if the AfD do indeed come third (comparisons with Le Pen and Wilders should remember that both still came second) then the CSU will almost certainly veto a Jamaica coalition as any deal with the Greens ahead of the AfD would go down like a lead balloon in their base of Bavaria, the most conservative state in Germany.
AfD could come 3rd, but looking at the polls above they are just as likely to come 6th.
Every single German I speak to when asked if Merkel will win replies with definitive "of course".
Just about every single one of my friends voted to "remain".
I'm sure Merkel will win, but I was sure the Conservatives would have a working majority, until 10 pm, on 8th June.
When she first became Chancellor in 2005 the result was a shock because every poll had her party well ahead but in the end she only scraped in by the skin of her teeth. On the other hand, that time she was up against a ruthless campaigner in the form of Schroeder. I don't detect the same signs of a surprise brewing below the surface this time.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
Like this
Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Well he certainly said it after the Brexit vote. In July last year he and others wrote a letter to the telegraph urging that:
"the Government, opposition parties and every candidate standing to be the next Conservative Party leader – and hence Prime Minister – to make an unequivocal statement that EU migrants currently living in the UK are welcome here, and that changes would apply only to new migrants. A clear commitment to protect the status of EU migrants was made by the official Vote Leave campaign – and it must be honoured."
That was signed by Dan Hannan, Gisella Stuart, Douglas Carswell and many others from both Remain and Leave. It is extremely unfortunate that they have not been listened to.
It is indeed. That is all they had to say: that EU migrants are welcome here. That is what people want to hear. For many EU citizens, the question of whether their rights are protected by the ECJ or the Supreme Court is a second order problem.
Instead we got a stony silence on the subject. Ambiguity. Statements saying we want to guarantee the rights without saying that we will.
Does it matter? I would say it has caused enormous harm in terms of how we are perceived within the EU and has made the negotiations more difficult.
Every single German I speak to when asked if Merkel will win replies with definitive "of course".
Just about every single one of my friends voted to "remain".
I'm sure Merkel will win, but I was sure the Conservatives would have a working majority, until 10 pm, on 8th June.
Unlike May, she isn't new to this election lark and I am guessing she hasn't proposed a policy that appears as if they are going to start nicking the homes from people losing their marbles, while simultaneously not bothering to attack the opposition.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
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Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Well he certainly said it after the Brexit vote. In July last year he and others wrote a letter to the telegraph urging that:
"the Government, opposition parties and every candidate standing to be the next Conservative Party leader – and hence Prime Minister – to make an unequivocal statement that EU migrants currently living in the UK are welcome here, and that changes would apply only to new migrants. A clear commitment to protect the status of EU migrants was made by the official Vote Leave campaign – and it must be honoured."
That was signed by Dan Hannan, Gisella Stuart, Douglas Carswell and many others from both Remain and Leave. It is extremely unfortunate that they have not been listened to.
It is indeed. That is all they had to say: that EU migrants are welcome here. That is what people want to hear. For many EU citizens, the question of whether their rights are protected by the ECJ or the Supreme Court is a second order problem.
Instead we got a stony silence on the subject. Ambiguity. Statements saying we want to guarantee the rights without saying that we will.
Does it matter? I would say it has caused enormous harm in terms of how we are perceived within the EU and has made the negotiations more difficult.
Except that the EU still does not want to give our citizens equivalent rights. If we had made this concession (generous and fair although would have been) they would have pocketed it and given nothing back.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
Like this
Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Well he certainly said it after the Brexit vote. In July last year he and others wrote a letter to the telegraph urging that:
"the Government, opposition parties and every candidate standing to be the next Conservative Party leader – and hence Prime Minister – to make an unequivocal statement that EU migrants currently living in the UK are welcome here, and that changes would apply only to new migrants. A clear commitment to protect the status of EU migrants was made by the official Vote Leave campaign – and it must be honoured."
That was signed by Dan Hannan, Gisella Stuart, Douglas Carswell and many others from both Remain and Leave. It is extremely unfortunate that they have not been listened to.
It is indeed. That is all they had to say: that EU migrants are welcome here. That is what people want to hear. For many EU citizens, the question of whether their rights are protected by the ECJ or the Supreme Court is a second order problem.
Instead we got a stony silence on the subject. Ambiguity. Statements saying we want to guarantee the rights without saying that we will.
Does it matter? I would say it has caused enormous harm in terms of how we are perceived within the EU and has made the negotiations more difficult.
The situation is exactly reciprocal, though. All the EU had to say was that UK migrants were welcome there. Why did the EU not beat us to the draw on this, if they are so much nicer than us?
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
Like this
Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Well he certainly said it after the Brexit vote. In July last year he and others wrote a letter to the telegraph urging that:
"the Government, opposition parties and every candidate standing to be the next Conservative Party leader – and hence Prime Minister – to make an unequivocal statement that EU migrants currently living in the UK are welcome here, and that changes would apply only to new migrants. A clear commitment to protect the status of EU migrants was made by the official Vote Leave campaign – and it must be honoured."
That was signed by Dan Hannan, Gisella Stuart, Douglas Carswell and many others from both Remain and Leave. It is extremely unfortunate that they have not been listened to.
It is indeed. That is all they had to say: that EU migrants are welcome here. That is what people want to hear. For many EU citizens, the question of whether their rights are protected by the ECJ or the Supreme Court is a second order problem.
Instead we got a stony silence on the subject. Ambiguity. Statements saying we want to guarantee the rights without saying that we will.
Does it matter? I would say it has caused enormous harm in terms of how we are perceived within the EU and has made the negotiations more difficult.
The situation is exactly reciprocal, though. All the EU had to say was that UK migrants were welcome there. Why did the EU not beat us to the draw on this, if they are so much nicer than us?
They absolutely did. They have been banging on about citizen rights and the importance of freedom of movement since the start. It is the UK side that doesn't want it.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
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Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Well he certainly said it after the Brexit vote. In July last year he and others wrote a letter to the telegraph urging that:
"the Government, opposition parties and every candidate standing to be the next Conservative Party leader – and hence Prime Minister – to make an unequivocal statement that EU migrants currently living in the UK are welcome here, and that changes would apply only to new migrants. A clear commitment to protect the status of EU migrants was made by the official Vote Leave campaign – and it must be honoured."
That was signed by Dan Hannan, Gisella Stuart, Douglas Carswell and many others from both Remain and Leave. It is extremely unfortunate that they have not been listened to.
It is indeed. That is all they had to say: that EU migrants are welcome here. That is what people want to hear. For many EU citizens, the question of whether their rights are protected by the ECJ or the Supreme Court is a second order problem.
Instead we got a stony silence on the subject. Ambiguity. Statements saying we want to guarantee the rights without saying that we will.
Does it matter? I would say it has caused enormous harm in terms of how we are perceived within the EU and has made the negotiations more difficult.
The situation is exactly reciprocal, though. All the EU had to say was that UK migrants were welcome there. Why did the EU not beat us to the draw on this, if they are so much nicer than us?
They absolutely did. They have been banging on about citizen rights and the importance of freedom of movement since the start. It is the UK side that doesn't want it.
And making ridiculous demands that no nation would or has agreed to.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
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Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Well he certainly said it after the Brexit vote. In July last year he and others wrote a letter to the telegraph urging that:
"the Government, opposition parties and every candidate standing to be the next Conservative Party leader – and hence Prime Minister – to make an unequivocal statement that EU migrants currently living in the UK are welcome here, and that changes would apply only to new migrants. A clear commitment to protect the status of EU migrants was made by the official Vote Leave campaign – and it must be honoured."
That was signed by Dan Hannan, Gisella Stuart, Douglas Carswell and many others from both Remain and Leave. It is extremely unfortunate that they have not been listened to.
It is indeed. That is all they had to say: that EU migrants are welcome here. That is what people want to hear. For many EU citizens, the question of whether their rights are protected by the ECJ or the Supreme Court is a second order problem.
Instead we got a stony silence on the subject. Ambiguity. Statements saying we want to guarantee the rights without saying that we will.
Does it matter? I would say it has caused enormous harm in terms of how we are perceived within the EU and has made the negotiations more difficult.
The situation is exactly reciprocal, though. All the EU had to say was that UK migrants were welcome there. Why did the EU not beat us to the draw on this, if they are so much nicer than us?
They absolutely did. They have been banging on about citizen rights and the importance of freedom of movement since the start. It is the UK side that doesn't want it.
And making ridiculous demands that no nation would or had agreed to.
The only demand they made was to follow the process set out in the treaty that we signed up to. No negotiation without notification.
FF43 - But then, Germany has blocked family members from joining asylum seekers in Germany, but insists the third world should be able to join their eastern european 'wives' in migrating to the UK. It is all about social dumping by Germany.
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
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Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Well he certainly said it after the Brexit vote. In July last year he and others wrote a letter to the telegraph urging that: Snip
That was signed by Dan Hannan, Gisella Stuart, Douglas Carswell and many others from both Remain and Leave. It is extremely unfortunate that they have not been listened to.
It is indeed. That is all they had to say: that EU migrants are welcome here. That is what people want to hear. For many EU citizens, the question of whether their rights are protected by the ECJ or the Supreme Court is a second order problem.
Instead we got a stony silence on the subject. Ambiguity. Statements saying we want to guarantee the rights without saying that we will.
Does it matter? I would say it has caused enormous harm in terms of how we are perceived within the EU and has made the negotiations more difficult.
The situation is exactly reciprocal, though. All the EU had to say was that UK migrants were welcome there. Why did the EU not beat us to the draw on this, if they are so much nicer than us?
They absolutely did. They have been banging on about citizen rights and the importance of freedom of movement since the start. It is the UK side that doesn't want it.
And making ridiculous demands that no nation would or had agreed to.
The only demand they made was to follow the process set out in the treaty that we signed up to. No negotiation without notification.
Which court do they insist on for EU citizens in UK?
Remember what happened when a previous PM visited the European Parliament? The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
Like this
Hannan not exactly on message there, speaking against 'British jobs for British workers' and state support for industry.
Hannan is saying what he has always said including before, during and after the referendum.
Well he certainly said it after the Brexit vote. In July last year he and others wrote a letter to the telegraph urging that:
"the Government, opposition parties and every candidate standing to be the next Conservative Party leader – and hence Prime Minister – to make an unequivocal statement that EU migrants currently living in the UK are welcome here, and that changes would apply only to new migrants. A clear commitment to protect the status of EU migrants was made by the official Vote Leave campaign – and it must be honoured."
That was signed by Dan Hannan, Gisella Stuart, Douglas Carswell and many others from both Remain and Leave. It is extremely unfortunate that they have not been listened to.
It is indeed. That is all they had to say: that EU migrants are welcome here. That is what people want to hear. For many EU citizens, the question of whether their rights are protected by the ECJ or the Supreme Court is a second order problem.
Instead we got a stony silence on the subject. Ambiguity. Statements saying we want to guarantee the rights without saying that we will.
Does it matter? I would say it has caused enormous harm in terms of how we are perceived within the EU and has made the negotiations more difficult.
The situation is exactly reciprocal, though. All the EU had to say was that UK migrants were welcome there. Why did the EU not beat us to the draw on this, if they are so much nicer than us?
we were the ones who made the decision to leave. Consequently, EU migrants here would look to the government for reassurance, which was not forthcoming, which set completely the wrong tone from the outset. Theresa May turned it in to a negotiation.
She prefers detail. She is not a people person. Exactly opposite of Boris, I'd say.
I am not sure why you guys never seemed to be interested in easily the best person for the top job. He only lives next door.
Really? I cannot see anything to suggest that she does detail well.
Indeed she is a faultless compass, who always points 180 degrees away from the correct direction on almost every issue.
She is so witlessly incompetent at everything bar annoying people that I cannot believe that Brexit negotiations would be slowed by a leadership contest. The time spent would be recovered quickly by putting someone else in charge.
Incidentally Tugendhat has been trailed as someone for promotion at the reshuffle. JRM's tip may be useful.
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Autumn election timetable is currently as follows:
Mon 11 Sep Norway
Sat 23 Sep New Zealand
Sun 24 Sep Germany
Sun 15 Oct Austria
Fri/Sat 20/21 Oct Czech Republic
Tue 7 Nov New Jersey & Virginia Governors
Sun 19 Nov/17 Dec Chile Presidential
Finally, negotiations on the new Dutch government continue (election was 15th March!) between VVD, CDA, D66, and CU.
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https://order-order.com/2017/09/07/bell-pottinger-brink-administration
Jeremy Corbyn’s former campaign director and chief of staff, Simon Fletcher, has joined the campaign to get Richard Leonard, the favourite of Corbyn supporters, elected as the next leader of Scottish Labour.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/07/theresa-may-european-parliament-brussels-eu
Had she turned up she'd almost certainly have said something unfortunate...
The way it works there, is that after the guest has spoken other MEPs can then be called to speak about the visitor.
Like this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=94lW6Y4tBXs
I’d be very surprised if Dan Hannan has ever supported state funding for any industry, he’s a free-market libertarian.
Norway could be interesting. It looks likely that the Greens might gain a few more than their single MP and could hold the balance of power. They have stated they want an immediate end to all new licencing for oil exploration which would have a massively detrimental effect on the Norwegian economy.
1) Hate crimes against LGBT people in London.
2) Stop Brexit march in London on Saturday.
3) Police investigating the guy who made paedophile allegations against politicians.
4) Last night of the proms on Saturday.
5) Firefighters from Kensington on holiday in Cornwall.
https://peoplesmarch4eu.org/the-event/
I think they're being a bit optimistic!
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/06/world/middleeast/syria-chemical-weapons.html?mcubz=1
And this was followed by Israel's 'alleged' attack on Syria last night:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-41184867
I am not sure why you guys never seemed to be interested in easily the best person for the top job. He only lives next door.
https://twitter.com/salterjp/status/905363823485489152
https://www.conservativehome.com/highlights/2017/09/profile-tom-tugendhat-successful-insurgent-and-a-possible-future-tory-leader.html
If he wants to take over as PM in government he needs a big ministerial role first, though he is a good prospect, my mother remembers him as a boy when she was playing tennis with his mother
"the Government, opposition parties and every candidate standing to be the next Conservative Party leader – and hence Prime Minister – to make an unequivocal statement that EU migrants currently living in the UK are welcome here, and that changes would apply only to new migrants. A clear commitment to protect the status of EU migrants was made by the official Vote Leave campaign – and it must be honoured."
That was signed by Dan Hannan, Gisella Stuart, Douglas Carswell and many others from both Remain and Leave. It is extremely unfortunate that they have not been listened to.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/2016/07/02/letters-eu-citizens-who-have-already-settled-in-britain-must-be/
The EU signed an FTA with Chile in 2002 (before EFTA) and tariffs have long since been eliminated.
Lying or stupid? It's hard to say...
Instead we got a stony silence on the subject. Ambiguity. Statements saying we want to guarantee the rights without saying that we will.
Does it matter? I would say it has caused enormous harm in terms of how we are perceived within the EU and has made the negotiations more difficult.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/07/couple-harassed-drugs-gang-plant-garden-smelt-like-cannabis/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/07/french-kick-stink-us-supermarkets-clueless-cheese-map/
http://news.sky.com/story/business-groups-frozen-out-of-new-round-of-davis-brexit-talks-11024711
(can't link it as don't have premium access)
NEW THREAD
A person close to the Department for Exiting the European Union (DExEU) said the exclusion of the CBI and its peers was deliberate.
"They have plenty of opportunities to engage with ministers," the person said.
"It's company executives themselves that we want to hear from."
Indeed she is a faultless compass, who always points 180 degrees away from the correct direction on almost every issue.
She is so witlessly incompetent at everything bar annoying people that I cannot believe that Brexit negotiations would be slowed by a leadership contest. The time spent would be recovered quickly by putting someone else in charge.
Incidentally Tugendhat has been trailed as someone for promotion at the reshuffle. JRM's tip may be useful.