I recently took a girl I met on tinder to Nandos. We had a lovely evening, and enjoyed each others company very much. After our meal, we repaired back to my house for a bottle of wine and a scientology doccumentary.
About an hour in to Louis Theroux and chill, my date got up to use the toilet. She returned with a panicked look in her eye, and told me she had something to tell me.
"I went for a poo in your toilet", she told me "and it would not flush. I don't know why I did this, but I panicked", she continued "I reached into the toilet bowl, wrapped it in tissue paper, and threw it out of the window".
I was understandably concerned, and told her we would go outside, bag up the offending poo in the garden, bin it, and pretend the whole sorry affair had never happened. Unfortunately, owing to a design quirk of my house, the toilet window does not in fact open to the garden, but instead into a narrow gap of about a foot and a half, seperated from the outside world by another (non-opening) double glazed window. It was into this twilight zone that my date had thrown her poo. Here are two photos to illustrate:
As can be seen in the picture, the inside window opens at the top, into the gap that is seperated from the garden by a non-opening double-glazed window pane. Seeing only one solution, I messaged our house group-chat, and went upstairs to find a hammer and chisel to smash open the window.
My date had other ideas.
Being an amateur gymnast, she was convinced that she could reach into the window and pull the poo out, using the tried and tested "inside out blag as glove" technique. Unfortunately she couldn't reach. She climbed further in and had the same problem. Eventually I agreed to give her a boost up and into the window. She climbed in head first after her own turd, reached deeper into the window, bagged it up, and passed it out, over the top and back into the toilet from whence it came. She called out to me to help her climb out from the window, I grabbed her waist and I pulled. But she was stuck. Stuck fast. Try as we might, we could not remove her from the window. She was stuck fast, upside down in the gap....
I recently took a girl I met on tinder to Nandos. We had a lovely evening, and enjoyed each others company very much. After our meal, we repaired back to my house for a bottle of wine and a scientology doccumentary.
About an hour in to Louis Theroux and chill, my date got up to use the toilet. She returned with a panicked look in her eye, and told me she had something to tell me.
"I went for a poo in your toilet", she told me "and it would not flush. I don't know why I did this, but I panicked", she continued "I reached into the toilet bowl, wrapped it in tissue paper, and threw it out of the window".
I was understandably concerned, and told her we would go outside, bag up the offending poo in the garden, bin it, and pretend the whole sorry affair had never happened. Unfortunately, owing to a design quirk of my house, the toilet window does not in fact open to the garden, but instead into a narrow gap of about a foot and a half, seperated from the outside world by another (non-opening) double glazed window. It was into this twilight zone that my date had thrown her poo. Here are two photos to illustrate:
As can be seen in the picture, the inside window opens at the top, into the gap that is seperated from the garden by a non-opening double-glazed window pane. Seeing only one solution, I messaged our house group-chat, and went upstairs to find a hammer and chisel to smash open the window.
My date had other ideas.
Being an amateur gymnast, she was convinced that she could reach into the window and pull the poo out, using the tried and tested "inside out blag as glove" technique. Unfortunately she couldn't reach. She climbed further in and had the same problem. Eventually I agreed to give her a boost up and into the window. She climbed in head first after her own turd, reached deeper into the window, bagged it up, and passed it out, over the top and back into the toilet from whence it came. She called out to me to help her climb out from the window, I grabbed her waist and I pulled. But she was stuck. Stuck fast. Try as we might, we could not remove her from the window. She was stuck fast, upside down in the gap....
Tinder is largely a hlookup app for good looking people, average or below average looking people looking for something longer term are better off with eharmony
Cambridge soaring in the rankings, Oxford stagnating.
Not in Prime Minister count........
A minor functionary, now Nobel Laureates, that's the real benchmark for a top university, 90 odd v 50 odd, another good benchmark is how many Cambridge graduates were recruited to work for MI5 and SIS.
We don't win the WWII without the Alan Turing.
MI5, MI6 and the KGB.
Question is, what happened to the Oxford spy ring? Were they all caught, or were none caught?
The rumour is that that the Cambridge spy ring was a cover to infiltrate the KGB, whereas the Oxford spy ring were a bunch of traitors that betrayed The United Kingdom, so it was covered up.
That was the irony -- the Cambridge spies were so good that the Russians were never really sure they were not double-agents.
But the staggering ineptitude of MI6 in housing these traitors -- two of whom were more-or-less permanently drunk -- is, well, not entirely unprecedented: didn't MI5 employ a relative of an IRA commander?
MI5 has had the holy grail of defectors, their coups de main, the head of the IRA's Nutting Squad and Oleg Gordievsky.
How can youi ever tell which side double agents are really on?
The battle to become Labour’s next leader in Scotland has been marred by claims of dirty tricks after opponents of one of the frontrunners claimed it could be disastrous to pick a privately educated Englishman.
MSP Richard Leonard, an organiser for the GMB union for 20 years, is believed to be preparing to confirm his candidacy as the choice of the left after Kezia Dugdale unexpectedly quit last week.
He would be the first Englishman to lead the Scottish party but some Labour opponents say his broad Yorkshire accent and private schooling would play badly among Scottish voters as the party tries to regain ground lost to the SNP after a spate of poor elections.
Typical Labour , always infighting , though Leonard did say they should not vote for his opponent as he was a millionaire. So we have private schoolboy versus private schoolboy millionaire, how very Labour.
Totally O/t but we do have cricket fans on here. Any comments on this story from the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/05/the-spin-carew-vilage-spirit-cricket about a team which, due to the vagaries of their leagues points system decalred at 18-1 to prevent their opponents getting enough bonus points to win the league.
Didn't Lancashire famously declare for nothing in a one day match to avoid the risk that they'd lose the Sunday League if they lost heavily? (It being decided on net run rate in the event of a tie in points.)
Totally O/t but we do have cricket fans on here. Any comments on this story from the Guardian https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/05/the-spin-carew-vilage-spirit-cricket about a team which, due to the vagaries of their leagues points system decalred at 18-1 to prevent their opponents getting enough bonus points to win the league.
Didn't Lancashire famously declare for nothing in a one day match to avoid the risk that they'd lose the Sunday League if they lost heavily? (It being decided on net run rate in the event of a tie in points.)
He is sort of right in a limited way. The most vociferous anti-EU arguments I have heard have been from very left wing working class men. (Yes, all men.) These would also be active trade unionists and Labour Party activists. Think Denis Skinner. But that was a long time ago when I used to spend more time in factories. This kind of person is much less common nowadays, and there were never as many of them in the first place as some people suppose.
I recently took a girl I met on tinder to Nandos. We had a lovely evening, and enjoyed each others company very much. After our meal, we repaired back to my house for a bottle of wine and a scientology doccumentary.
About an hour in to Louis Theroux and chill, my date got up to use the toilet. She returned with a panicked look in her eye, and told me she had something to tell me.
"I went for a poo in your toilet", she told me "and it would not flush. I don't know why I did this, but I panicked", she continued "I reached into the toilet bowl, wrapped it in tissue paper, and threw it out of the window".
I was understandably concerned, and told her we would go outside, bag up the offending poo in the garden, bin it, and pretend the whole sorry affair had never happened. Unfortunately, owing to a design quirk of my house, the toilet window does not in fact open to the garden, but instead into a narrow gap of about a foot and a half, seperated from the outside world by another (non-opening) double glazed window. It was into this twilight zone that my date had thrown her poo. Here are two photos to illustrate:
As can be seen in the picture, the inside window opens at the top, into the gap that is seperated from the garden by a non-opening double-glazed window pane. Seeing only one solution, I messaged our house group-chat, and went upstairs to find a hammer and chisel to smash open the window.
My date had other ideas.
Being an amateur gymnast, she was convinced that she could reach into the window and pull the poo out, using the tried and tested "inside out blag as glove" technique. Unfortunately she couldn't reach. She climbed further in and had the same problem. Eventually I agreed to give her a boost up and into the window. She climbed in head first after her own turd, reached deeper into the window, bagged it up, and passed it out, over the top and back into the toilet from whence it came. She called out to me to help her climb out from the window, I grabbed her waist and I pulled. But she was stuck. Stuck fast. Try as we might, we could not remove her from the window. She was stuck fast, upside down in the gap....
Tinder is largely a hlookup app for good looking people, average or below average looking people looking for something longer term are better off with eharmony
Sample size 27.
As the author admits.
An analysis of actual Tinder data stream would be more useful. I guess that is secret.
The battle to become Labour’s next leader in Scotland has been marred by claims of dirty tricks after opponents of one of the frontrunners claimed it could be disastrous to pick a privately educated Englishman.
MSP Richard Leonard, an organiser for the GMB union for 20 years, is believed to be preparing to confirm his candidacy as the choice of the left after Kezia Dugdale unexpectedly quit last week.
He would be the first Englishman to lead the Scottish party but some Labour opponents say his broad Yorkshire accent and private schooling would play badly among Scottish voters as the party tries to regain ground lost to the SNP after a spate of poor elections.
Typical Labour , always infighting , though Leonard did say they should not vote for his opponent as he was a millionaire. So we have private schoolboy versus private schoolboy millionaire, how very Labour.
I hope it is not his Yorkshire accent causing the most distress to Scots.
What's happened to Monty? He was in everyone's favourite regional free-sheet yesterday, the London Evening Standard, being beastly to Theresa. After he left the Tory party because of Dave, I thought he'd have warmed to it again in its current incarnation, but clearly not.
As Churchill allegedly said 'if you are young and not a socialist you have no heart, if you are old and not a conservative you have no head!'
Those numbers are hardly disastrous. Between 39% and 60% of young people support the small c conservative options, proportions that will probably increase as they get older.
Yet a majority of young Britain's put freedom above equality and say the causes of crime are moral not social, almost half say Britain does more good than harm in the world and over a third want more Christianity
As Churchill allegedly said 'if you are young and not a socialist you have no heart, if you are old and not a conservative you have no head!'
Those numbers are hardly disastrous. Between 39% and 60% of young people support the small c conservative options, proportions that will probably increase as they get older.
It doesnt mean they will vote Conservative though, as the over 65's figures demonstrate.
I recently took a girl I met on tinder to Nandos. We had a lovely evening, and enjoyed each others company very much. After our meal, we repaired back to my house for a bottle of wine and a scientology doccumentary.
About an hour in to Louis Theroux and chill, my date got up to use the toilet. She returned with a panicked look in her eye, and told me she had something to tell me.
"I went for a poo in your toilet", she told me "and it would not flush. I don't know why I did this, but I panicked", she continued "I reached into the toilet bowl, wrapped it in tissue paper, and threw it out of the window".
I was understandably concerned, and told her we would go outside, bag up the offending poo in the garden, bin it, and pretend the whole sorry affair had never happened. Unfortunately, owing to a design quirk of my house, the toilet window does not in fact open to the garden, but instead into a narrow gap of about a foot and a half, seperated from the outside world by another (non-opening) double glazed window. It was into this twilight zone that my date had thrown her poo. Here are two photos to illustrate:
As can be seen in the picture, the inside window opens at the top, into the gap that is seperated from the garden by a non-opening double-glazed window pane. Seeing only one solution, I messaged our house group-chat, and went upstairs to find a hammer and chisel to smash open the window.
My date had other ideas.
Being an amateur gymnast, she was convinced that she could reach into the window and pull
Tinder is largely a hlookup app for good looking people, average or below average looking people looking for something longer term are better off with eharmony
Sample size 27.
As the author admits.
An analysis of actual Tinder data stream would be more useful. I guess that is secret.
It may be as simple as most tinder users being male and not very fussy. Who looks at the mantlepiece when poking the fire?
As Churchill allegedly said 'if you are young and not a socialist you have no heart, if you are old and not a conservative you have no head!'
Those numbers are hardly disastrous. Between 39% and 60% of young people support the small c conservative options, proportions that will probably increase as they get older.
Yes Monty is just on another whingeorama as he has been ever since IDS lost the leadership, young people were flocking to him of course!
As Churchill allegedly said 'if you are young and not a socialist you have no heart, if you are old and not a conservative you have no head!'
Those numbers are hardly disastrous. Between 39% and 60% of young people support the small c conservative options, proportions that will probably increase as they get older.
Switzerland and Norway both have higher GDP per capita outside the EU
I think you are implying Switzerland and Norway have higher GDP outside than they would in. We don't know that. In fact Swiss GDP growth picked up in relative terms after the EU bilaterals were implemented post-millennium.
What's happened to Monty? He was in everyone's favourite regional free-sheet yesterday, the London Evening Standard, being beastly to Theresa. After he left the Tory party because of Dave, I thought he'd have warmed to it again in its current incarnation, but clearly not.
He's criticised every Tory leader since IDS.
His main complaint is that he's not in the inner circle.
Sounds as though Labour are falling in behind the Lib Dems. Not before time, either.
Labour just concocting a reason to vote against the government to cause trouble for troubles sake.
Voting against measures intended to give Mrs May dictatorial powers is hardly "trouble for trouble`s sake"
Don't you think you are over-egging it somewhat?
Not at all. These are the "Henry VIII powers". Some of the top courtiers did not fare very well under Henry VIII, did they? Conservatives who voted Leave in order that our Parliament should take back power, should think twice about giving Mrs May these dictatorial powers. They are likely to be inherited by Mr Corbyn and his gang.
He is sort of right in a limited way. The most vociferous anti-EU arguments I have heard have been from very left wing working class men. (Yes, all men.) These would also be active trade unionists and Labour Party activists. Think Denis Skinner. But that was a long time ago when I used to spend more time in factories. This kind of person is much less common nowadays, and there were never as many of them in the first place as some people suppose.
Only 25% of Labour voters support Brexit. Just because some of them maybe "working class men" does not give them 3 times as many votes as other Labour voters.
Sounds as though Labour are falling in behind the Lib Dems. Not before time, either.
Labour just concocting a reason to vote against the government to cause trouble for troubles sake.
Voting against measures intended to give Mrs May dictatorial powers is hardly "trouble for trouble`s sake"
Don't you think you are over-egging it somewhat?
Not at all. These are the "Henry VIII powers". Some of the top courtiers did not fare very well under Henry VIII, did they? Conservatives who voted Leave in order that our Parliament should take back power, should think twice about giving Mrs May these dictatorial powers. They are likely to be inherited by Mr Corbyn and his gang.
What's happened to Monty? He was in everyone's favourite regional free-sheet yesterday, the London Evening Standard, being beastly to Theresa. After he left the Tory party because of Dave, I thought he'd have warmed to it again in its current incarnation, but clearly not.
He's criticised every Tory leader since IDS.
His main complaint is that he's not in the inner circle.
Yes he and IDS are in the unique position amongst Tories of seeing their careers take a downward trajectory since IDS lost the leadership
Switzerland and Norway both have higher GDP per capita outside the EU
I think you are implying Switzerland and Norway have higher GDP outside than they would in. We don't know that. In fact Swiss GDP growth picked up in relative terms after the EU bilaterals were implemented post-millennium.
You could argue the same about Chip's figures claiming the benefits of EU membership
"The Salisbury Convention that the Lords should not stand in the way of a government implementing its manifesto commitments doesn’t apply ..........."
But surely the Government IS implementing its manifesto commitments so the convention ought to still stand..
I suspect Mike would argue that the manifesto did not receive a mandate - as DUP needed to form a government. This is a minority administration.
The government is the government that got a majority of British MPs working with the party of Northern Ireland that got a majority of Northern Irish MPs.
Switzerland and Norway both have higher GDP per capita outside the EU
I think you are implying Switzerland and Norway have higher GDP outside than they would in. We don't know that. In fact Swiss GDP growth picked up in relative terms after the EU bilaterals were implemented post-millennium.
The same implication Chu made for all the other states inside the EU.
He is sort of right in a limited way. The most vociferous anti-EU arguments I have heard have been from very left wing working class men. (Yes, all men.) These would also be active trade unionists and Labour Party activists. Think Denis Skinner. But that was a long time ago when I used to spend more time in factories. This kind of person is much less common nowadays, and there were never as many of them in the first place as some people suppose.
Only 25% of Labour voters support Brexit. Just because some of them maybe "working class men" does not give them 3 times as many votes as other Labour voters.
I agree entirely. It's just that there is a very strong anti-EU thread in one of the strands of Labour support. They haven't given the Labour Party as much trouble as the Tory Euroskeptics have, but they are still there. Incidentally I think the people who thought that Europe was an issue that would lead working class voters into the Conservative fold didn't really realise that a lot of those folk might well hate Brussels but they hate the Tories even more.
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
I particularly enjoyed this bit of the Guardian's account:
[The government's] proposals to end the protection of the ECJ for the rights of EU nationals to bring non-EU family members to Britain, to end the use of EU national identity cards instead of passports at the UK border, and the extension of Home Office registration powers are all potential major trouble spots in the Brexit negotiations.
Since the EU keep telling us that we'll be a third-party country after Brexit, with no special relationship, I really can't see what potential there is for disagreement.
If this is in any way accurate a cliff edge Brexit is nailed on.
Note it was subject to approval, and pending negotiations with Brussels (although their idea of negotiation seems to be sticking to their position and not changing whatsoever).
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
It has prepared a position paper before getting the findings of the study it has asked for on the benefits or otherwise of EU immigration. Not sure how that indicates anything other than crass stupidity.
At 21.00 on BBC Two this evening there's a program about New Space, hosted by Brian Cox. It should be interesting, but there seems a rather interesting conflict of interest that I'm surprised the BBC hasn't picked up on. The program apparently features Virgin Galactic strongly (and for little reason, given that company's abject failure to fly), and the program is being produced by a company that has a director called ... Sam Branson.
Yep, Branson's son. I hope the program doesn't become a puff-piece for Virgin Galactic, as they're the least interesting New Space company.
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
It has prepared a position paper before getting the findings of the study it has asked for on the benefits or otherwise of EU immigration. Not sure how that indicates anything other than crass stupidity.
I'm not sure I see the problem. That study can be used to set quotas etc.
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
It has prepared a position paper before getting the findings of the study it has asked for on the benefits or otherwise of EU immigration. Not sure how that indicates anything other than crass stupidity.
I'm not sure I see the problem. That study can be used to set quotas etc.
The problem is that the government has developed a position before knowing whether it will be harmful or not tot he UKL economy.
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
It has prepared a position paper before getting the findings of the study it has asked for on the benefits or otherwise of EU immigration. Not sure how that indicates anything other than crass stupidity.
You might almost say that there are unrealistic expectations in the EU27 about the consequences of their own intransigence, about which they need to be educated.
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
It has prepared a position paper before getting the findings of the study it has asked for on the benefits or otherwise of EU immigration. Not sure how that indicates anything other than crass stupidity.
I'm not sure I see the problem. That study can be used to set quotas etc.
I must admit, while I'm very happy with the government setting points based systems, I'm very unhappy with the government doing "per industry" or "per job" quotas. That seems like a recipe for having the government being three years behind actual conditions on the ground.
Much better, surely, to have a simple market based system, where people pay to be resident, which would largely eliminate low-skilled immigration, and would not distort price signals.
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
It has prepared a position paper before getting the findings of the study it has asked for on the benefits or otherwise of EU immigration. Not sure how that indicates anything other than crass stupidity.
You might almost say that there are unrealistic expectations in the EU27 about the consequences of their own intransigence, about which they need to be educated.
What consequences should they be worried about ? Like strawberries will not be picked in East Anglia. Maybe, the government thinks PhD holders would pick them.
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
It has prepared a position paper before getting the findings of the study it has asked for on the benefits or otherwise of EU immigration. Not sure how that indicates anything other than crass stupidity.
I'm not sure I see the problem. That study can be used to set quotas etc.
The problem is that the government has developed a position before knowing whether it will be harmful or not tot he UKL economy.
The durations/numbers can all be adjusted based on that report, but the overarching theme of ending freedom of movement probably won't be.
Depends where you go, in Hartlepool, Knowsley, Barrow, Bishop Auckland, Barnsley and Coventry the answer may be sonewhat different
Sorry HYUFD, the nativist out vote only stretches so far in these constituencies, as evidenced by your failure to capture any of them despite May's laudably quixotic focus on them in the campaign. I reckon you've topped out now.
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
It has prepared a position paper before getting the findings of the study it has asked for on the benefits or otherwise of EU immigration. Not sure how that indicates anything other than crass stupidity.
You might almost say that there are unrealistic expectations in the EU27 about the consequences of their own intransigence, about which they need to be educated.
What consequences should they be worried about ? Like strawberries will not be picked in East Anglia. Maybe, the government thinks PhD holders would pick them.
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
It has prepared a position paper before getting the findings of the study it has asked for on the benefits or otherwise of EU immigration. Not sure how that indicates anything other than crass stupidity.
You might almost say that there are unrealistic expectations in the EU27 about the consequences of their own intransigence, about which they need to be educated.
Not sure why. The EU27 will see a government that has no idea about the impact EU immigration has on the UK economy commissioning a report to find out and then deciding that it will not bother to wait for its findings before developing a policy designed to deter EU immigrants from coming to the UK.
What consequences should they be worried about ? Like strawberries will not be picked in East Anglia. Maybe, the government thinks PhD holders would pick them.
The right of EU citizens to come and work here is very highly valued by the Visegrad countries. The dosh we pay towards the EU budget is very highly valued by both donor and recipient countries. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have quite got their heads around the idea that these cakes won't be available to be had or eaten if they are not prepared to discuss the post-Brexit relationship between the UK and the EU.
What consequences should they be worried about ? Like strawberries will not be picked in East Anglia. Maybe, the government thinks PhD holders would pick them.
The right of EU citizens to come and work here is very highly valued by the Visigrad countries. The dosh we pay towards the EU budget is very highly valued by both donor and recipient countries. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have quite got their heads around the idea that these cakes won't be available to be had or eaten if they are not prepared to discuss the post-Brexit relationship between the UK and the EU.
Of course - and there is a ready supply of UK labour ready to do the work that EU nationals will be deterred from doing. Again, we lose more than they do.
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
It has prepared a position paper before getting the findings of the study it has asked for on the benefits or otherwise of EU immigration. Not sure how that indicates anything other than crass stupidity.
You might almost say that there are unrealistic expectations in the EU27 about the consequences of their own intransigence, about which they need to be educated.
What consequences should they be worried about ? Like strawberries will not be picked in East Anglia. Maybe, the government thinks PhD holders would pick them.
More indications of the government's lack of preparation.
It has prepared a position paper before getting the findings of the study it has asked for on the benefits or otherwise of EU immigration. Not sure how that indicates anything other than crass stupidity.
You might almost say that there are unrealistic expectations in the EU27 about the consequences of their own intransigence, about which they need to be educated.
What consequences should they be worried about ? Like strawberries will not be picked in East Anglia. Maybe, the government thinks PhD holders would pick them.
Of course - and there is a ready supply of UK labour ready to do the work that EU nationals will be deterred from doing. Again, we lose more than they do.
No, we don't lose more than they do, or at least than the Visegrad countries do. The excessive level of EU immigration was always the strongest argument in favour of Brexit, indeed really the only one which made much sense. In any case, the government is only proposing to control it, not eliminate it. What on earth else should it do? That's kinda the idea of leaving the EU.
It's regrettable, of course, that our EU friends didn't listen when David Cameron asked nicely for some modest changes which would have helped. But they didn't.
Switzerland and Norway both have higher GDP per capita outside the EU
I think you are implying Switzerland and Norway have higher GDP outside than they would in. We don't know that. In fact Swiss GDP growth picked up in relative terms after the EU bilaterals were implemented post-millennium.
You could argue the same about Chip's figures claiming the benefits of EU membership
Strictly, yes, in terms of _knowledge_. However there is evidence to suggest countries may be better off in the system. There are specific reasons for thinking this but it isn't definite. I haven't read Ben Chu's piece.
Of course - and there is a ready supply of UK labour ready to do the work that EU nationals will be deterred from doing. Again, we lose more than they do.
No, we don't lose more than they do, or at least than the Visegrad countries do. The excessive level of EU immigration was always the strongest argument in favour of Brexit, indeed really the only one which made much sense. In any case, the government is only proposing to control it, not eliminate it. What on earth else should it do? That's kinda the idea of leaving the EU.
It's regrettable, of course, that our EU friends didn't listen when David Cameron asked nicely for some modest changes which would have helped. But they didn't.
As the government has conceded, we have absolutely no idea about the impact that EU immigration (and UK emigration to the EU, of course) has had on the UK economy. Despite this, it has decided that it wants to deter EU immigration at a time when we have full employment and significant reliance on EU nationals in many key industries. Quite rightly, our EU friends will conclude that the UK is clueless and will plan accordingly for the cliff edge Brexit that will hurt us much more than it will hurt them.
Of course - and there is a ready supply of UK labour ready to do the work that EU nationals will be deterred from doing. Again, we lose more than they do.
No, we don't lose more than they do, or at least than the Visegrad countries do. The excessive level of EU immigration was always the strongest argument in favour of Brexit, indeed really the only one which made much sense. In any case, the government is only proposing to control it, not eliminate it. What on earth else should it do? That's kinda the idea of leaving the EU.
It's regrettable, of course, that our EU friends didn't listen when David Cameron asked nicely for some modest changes which would have helped. But they didn't.
Quite. Some Social Security changes that the Germans wanted too and he would have won the referendum. The refusal to engage with a British PM facing a referendum persuaded me that the EU will be better when it reforms was not a rational position.
It's regrettable, of course, that our EU friends didn't listen when David Cameron asked nicely for some modest changes which would have helped. But they didn't.
Do you have any evidence to support your statement that David Cameron "spoke nicely" to our friends in the EU? Most of his time in office he was an arrogant B---- towards people he looked down on. It might have helped the British cause if he had spoken nicely to people all the time he was prime minister.
Of course - and there is a ready supply of UK labour ready to do the work that EU nationals will be deterred from doing. Again, we lose more than they do.
No, we don't lose more than they do, or at least than the Visegrad countries do. The excessive level of EU immigration was always the strongest argument in favour of Brexit, indeed really the only one which made much sense. In any case, the government is only proposing to control it, not eliminate it. What on earth else should it do? That's kinda the idea of leaving the EU.
It's regrettable, of course, that our EU friends didn't listen when David Cameron asked nicely for some modest changes which would have helped. But they didn't.
For someone who was so pro-Remain, you have had a radical change of heart. Could it be that your leader is now pro-Leave ?
Of course - and there is a ready supply of UK labour ready to do the work that EU nationals will be deterred from doing. Again, we lose more than they do.
No, we don't lose more than they do, or at least than the Visegrad countries do. The excessive level of EU immigration was always the strongest argument in favour of Brexit, indeed really the only one which made much sense. In any case, the government is only proposing to control it, not eliminate it. What on earth else should it do? That's kinda the idea of leaving the EU.
It's regrettable, of course, that our EU friends didn't listen when David Cameron asked nicely for some modest changes which would have helped. But they didn't.
Quite. Some Social Security changes that the Germans wanted too and he would have won the referendum. The refusal to engage with a British PM facing a referendum persuaded me that the EU will be better when it reforms was not a rational position.
Me too, it along with a powerful argument from Michael Gove swung me from Remain to Leave.
Cameron's renegotiation failure laid clear that reforming the EU was not viable. To be fair the EU never showed any interest in being reformed in the way we wanted it to.
The only choice was leave and control our own destiny or be passengers along for the ride in the EU's vision of the future - which is quite clearly not our own.
What consequences should they be worried about ? Like strawberries will not be picked in East Anglia. Maybe, the government thinks PhD holders would pick them.
The right of EU citizens to come and work here is very highly valued by the Visegrad countries. The dosh we pay towards the EU budget is very highly valued by both donor and recipient countries. Unfortunately, they don't seem to have quite got their heads around the idea that these cakes won't be available to be had or eaten if they are not prepared to discuss the post-Brexit relationship between the UK and the EU.
They get it.
They also get that they benefit from a last minute deal, while we benefit from the deal being agreed now.
Now, in a win-win scenario, they recognise that a good long-term relationship is in both our interests, and that this isn't about trying to grab every last shred of advantage.
The problem is that this is more like a divorce settlement, where even if the estranged partners would both benefit from working together for the good of the children (citizens), there is far too much bitterness for either side to work particularly constructively.
On our side, I think we got the initial tone in the months following the referendum completely wrong. We should have a done a better job of saying "it's not you, it's me". On their side, the big problem is that electoral cycles aren't exactly encouraging nuance.
Same old conversation tonight with the remainers and leavers stuck in their own positions.
As far as I am concerned whatever will be, will be, and life is too short to be fighting the referendum month after month.
However, the significant news today is that Nicola (at last) is going to use her tax raising/reducing powers. Will be interesting to see how different tax rates influence the debate on tax and how the Scots take on the rest of the UK either in higher or lower taxes
Of course - and there is a ready supply of UK labour ready to do the work that EU nationals will be deterred from doing. Again, we lose more than they do.
No, we don't lose more than they do, or at least than the Visegrad countries do. The excessive level of EU immigration was always the strongest argument in favour of Brexit, indeed really the only one which made much sense. In any case, the government is only proposing to control it, not eliminate it. What on earth else should it do? That's kinda the idea of leaving the EU.
It's regrettable, of course, that our EU friends didn't listen when David Cameron asked nicely for some modest changes which would have helped. But they didn't.
Quite. Some Social Security changes that the Germans wanted too and he would have won the referendum. The refusal to engage with a British PM facing a referendum persuaded me that the EU will be better when it reforms was not a rational position.
Me too, it along with a powerful argument from Michael Gove swung me from Remain to Leave.
Cameron's renegotiation failure laid clear that reforming the EU was not viable. To be fair the EU never showed any interest in being reformed in the way we wanted it to.
The only choice was leave and control our own destiny or be passengers along for the ride in the EU's vision of the future - which is quite clearly not our own.
They are on a different path. As I was saying this morning the EU will move forward much faster now we are not moaning and groaning on the sidelines slowing everything down. It's been like this for 25 years and both sides are getting bored and frustrated. We were right to leave. If the EU could get over the jilted John stage they would see we have done them a favour.
Same old conversation tonight with the remainers and leavers stuck in their own positions.
As far as I am concerned whatever will be, will be, and life is too short to be fighting the referendum month after month.
However, the significant news today is that Nicola (at last) is going to use her tax raising/reducing powers. Will be interesting to see how different tax rates influence the debate on tax and how the Scots take on the rest of the UK either in higher or lower taxes
Do you think the government should aim to retain the customs union and single market access and as far as possible current third country trade deals for the medium term and on EU rules and terms? Or do you think we should move quickly to make a clean and total break and let the chips fall where they may? The first is supported by about half of Conservatives and most of everybody else. The second by the other half of Conservatives. To me that has been the interesting question since the referendum.
Asking for a friend, what's the plural of 'magnum opus'?
I'm having a crisis of faith at the moment, and I'm sure I'm disappointing my Latin tutor.
I would have said magnum opera. But I think some say opi. Hey, it's been 40 years.
magna opera
magnum is only every singular
Yeah ok.
One of my pals was asked something by a Sheriff and replied "ok".
"Ok? What sort of language is that for my Court?" asked the Sheriff. Quick as a flash my pal replied, "My Lord, I believe it comes from the Latin okeydocky".
- A rehash of Lancaster House with added aggression? - A major shift on the long term goal towards staying in the single market? (Based on the leaked Home Office papers this seems impossible.) - A dramatic move on Northern Ireland? Perhaps announcing a request for special status or even calling a border poll.
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Labour just concocting a reason to vote against the government to cause trouble for troubles sake.
How can youi ever tell which side double agents are really on?
In practice they are on both sides.
How many EU Universities are there in the top 20? How many French? How many German? How many Dutch? How many Italian?
The ONLY University in continental Europe in the top 20 lies OUTSIDE the EU.
How anyone could dispassionately look at that list and claim that it is supportive of the EU & its research objective agenda is beyond me.
More propaganda from the Barnier team.
As the author admits.
An analysis of actual Tinder data stream would be more useful. I guess that is secret.
As Churchill allegedly said 'if you are young and not a socialist you have no heart, if you are old and not a conservative you have no head!'
Chris Froome widens his lead with victory in stage 16's time trial
http://www.bbc.com/sport/cycling/41162100
His main complaint is that he's not in the inner circle.
The DUP is not part of the government.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/sep/05/leaked-document-reveals-uk-brexit-plan-to-deter-eu-immigrants
[The government's] proposals to end the protection of the ECJ for the rights of EU nationals to bring non-EU family members to Britain, to end the use of EU national identity cards instead of passports at the UK border, and the extension of Home Office registration powers are all potential major trouble spots in the Brexit negotiations.
Since the EU keep telling us that we'll be a third-party country after Brexit, with no special relationship, I really can't see what potential there is for disagreement.
At 21.00 on BBC Two this evening there's a program about New Space, hosted by Brian Cox. It should be interesting, but there seems a rather interesting conflict of interest that I'm surprised the BBC hasn't picked up on. The program apparently features Virgin Galactic strongly (and for little reason, given that company's abject failure to fly), and the program is being produced by a company that has a director called ... Sam Branson.
Yep, Branson's son. I hope the program doesn't become a puff-piece for Virgin Galactic, as they're the least interesting New Space company.
That's a pretty massive difference. (Especially given that there are 13x more Brits than Norwegians. And I haven't even mentioned LNG.)
Much better, surely, to have a simple market based system, where people pay to be resident, which would largely eliminate low-skilled immigration, and would not distort price signals.
"I want travellers to live on my land and hope they ruin Cambridgeshire village"
http://www.cambridge-news.co.uk/news/cambridge-news/travellers-cambridgeshire-land-racing-live-13573704
It's regrettable, of course, that our EU friends didn't listen when David Cameron asked nicely for some modest changes which would have helped. But they didn't.
Anybody can a brief summary of what happened in Parliament today?
I'm having a crisis of faith at the moment, and I'm sure I'm disappointing my Latin tutor.
Cameron's renegotiation failure laid clear that reforming the EU was not viable. To be fair the EU never showed any interest in being reformed in the way we wanted it to.
The only choice was leave and control our own destiny or be passengers along for the ride in the EU's vision of the future - which is quite clearly not our own.
They also get that they benefit from a last minute deal, while we benefit from the deal being agreed now.
Now, in a win-win scenario, they recognise that a good long-term relationship is in both our interests, and that this isn't about trying to grab every last shred of advantage.
The problem is that this is more like a divorce settlement, where even if the estranged partners would both benefit from working together for the good of the children (citizens), there is far too much bitterness for either side to work particularly constructively.
On our side, I think we got the initial tone in the months following the referendum completely wrong. We should have a done a better job of saying "it's not you, it's me". On their side, the big problem is that electoral cycles aren't exactly encouraging nuance.
As far as I am concerned whatever will be, will be, and life is too short to be fighting the referendum month after month.
However, the significant news today is that Nicola (at last) is going to use her tax raising/reducing powers. Will be interesting to see how different tax rates influence the debate on tax and how the Scots take on the rest of the UK either in higher or lower taxes
https://twitter.com/Rainmaker1973/status/904593854644539392
https://twitter.com/wsctb/status/905132574770647040
magnum is only every singular
One of my pals was asked something by a Sheriff and replied "ok".
"Ok? What sort of language is that for my Court?" asked the Sheriff.
Quick as a flash my pal replied, "My Lord, I believe it comes from the Latin okeydocky".
- A rehash of Lancaster House with added aggression?
- A major shift on the long term goal towards staying in the single market? (Based on the leaked Home Office papers this seems impossible.)
- A dramatic move on Northern Ireland? Perhaps announcing a request for special status or even calling a border poll.