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  • Has anybody told Simon Jordan that sticking "ization" on the end of every other word doesn't make you sound more intelligent?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    edited August 2017

    GIN1138 said:

    First (not like Boy George Osborne) :D

    At last he was an election winner unlike the incumbent.
    Please remind me of George's historic victory when he swept all before him to enter No 10? I thought it was Cameron who was Tory leader in 2015? Osborne ran the 2010 campaign, Crosby the 2015 campaign
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    MTimT said:

    welshowl said:

    At least they were building on one language, legal system,

    Now two legal systems, although at the time it was one (Louisiana is Napoleonic Code).
    Well I suppose we have two with Scotland too.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,846
    The USA has asked Russia to close their consulate in San Francisco and other operations in New York and Washington.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,774
    What keeps her in place other than fear of an election is that she's the only one who can keep fudging Brexit and maintaining the pretence that you can reconcile it's contradictions. Any Tory leadership contest would require candidates to set out a fresh approach to Brexit to justify their challenge. It can't just be "I'm more popular" because none of them are. They'd be rightly seen as an opportunist. To justify a change of leader the Tories have to show it's a move of substance to install a leader who'd pursue a new strategy. In practice that means a battle between the Osborne wing who view Brexit as a disaster for the country and want it watered down or, if opinion becomes more lukewarm on the idea, reversed, and the Rees-Mogg/Davis wing who think the best strategy is to engage in a battle of wills with the EU and would characterise anything but facing Brussels down as a betrayal or capitulation. Given the Tory membership, the latter likely wins but May has already shown the political risks of alienating liberal voters who have shown that whatever misgivings they have about Corbyn they'll vote Labour over a Tory Party that's openly antagonistic towards them. If Osborne's wing wins, then the Tories' UKIP problem returns with a vengance. Labour of course has similar divisions, but as an opposition can fudge and Corbyn's promissory socialism papers over the cracks as it offers something to both Labour's leavers and remainers, at least until it comes into contact with reality.
  • surbitonsurbiton Posts: 13,549

    https://twitter.com/tnewtondunn/status/903216807447756800

    er, the single market is a free trade market. World's biggest surely. Why are we leaving? So we don't have to wait for the EU to do a deal with Japan.

    Oh wait...

    We just want to take the EU-Japan agreement, then Find and Replace and then, Copy and Paste !
  • RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,787
    edited August 2017
    DavidL said:
    The only reason I know exactly where we were is because we faced a 8 hour drive to what was then home from Richmond (Yorkshire) after house hunting. Stop 1 was trying to find somewhere to buy a CD to listen to in the hire car we had...

    My first task when I discovered when the funeral was was to move our next shopping trip to Calais forward a fortnight...

    PS Popbitch has a very good Will Carling Princess Di story...
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    This is the UK government's table of areas of agreement and disagreement on citizen's rights:

    https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/641334/2017-08-30_-_EU_UK_Comparison_Table_CR_AUGUST_day_2_FINAL_AGREED_VERSION_AGREED_with_Cion_V2.2.pdf

    It's rather interesting, in a somewhat wonkish way. In particular, take a look at pages 13 to 15. The UK wants more mutual recognition of professional qualifications than the EU does, and wants grandfathered permissions to apply across all EU27 states. This is interesting because it's relevant to the selling of professional services into the EU.

    Richard, thanks for posting that. It gives a very different impression re both progress and seriousness of the negotiations than provided by the EU side. With such well-defined and relatively few issues, it also shows how quickly progress could be made once there is a will.
  • Has anybody told Simon Jordan that sticking "ization" on the end of every other word doesn't make you sound more intelligent?

    At least he's stopped looking like he had been gang-banged by a bunch of wotsits.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,879
    welshowl said:

    MTimT said:

    welshowl said:

    At least they were building on one language, legal system,

    Now two legal systems, although at the time it was one (Louisiana is Napoleonic Code).
    Well I suppose we have two with Scotland too.
    Three if you include the the Beit Din courts.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    It was the last bit of important news I learned about from a newspaper headline: "Dodi dead, Diana Hurt in Paris Crash", I think.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    MTimT said:

    Richard, thanks for posting that. It gives a very different impression re both progress and seriousness of the negotiations than provided by the EU side. With such well-defined and relatively few issues, it also shows how quickly progress could be made once there is a will.

    To an extent, although I'd caution that this is probably one of the easier parts of the overall negotiation.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215
    eek said:

    DavidL said:
    The only reason I know exactly where we were is because we faced a 8 hour drive to what was then home from Richmond (Yorkshire) after house hunting. Stop 1 was trying to find somewhere to buy a CD to listen to in the hire car we had...

    My first task when I discovered when the funeral was was to move our next shopping trip to Calais forward a fortnight...

    PS Popbitch has a very good Will Carling Princess Di story...
    I found the month following genuinely bewildering. I really did not understand what was going on. I have never felt so completely out of touch in my own country.
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,879
    Ishmael_Z said:

    It was the last bit of important news I learned about from a newspaper headline: "Dodi dead, Diana Hurt in Paris Crash", I think.
    I heard it on Radio 4. I set my clock alarm (remember those) to play the Week Ending replay on Saturday morning.

    So, my first assumption was that it was Week Ending doing a skit about the ridiculous over reaction people had to Princess Di news. After five minutes, I thought they had slightly overegged the pudding. After 10 minutes, I twigged that she really was dead.
  • DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DavidL said:
    The only reason I know exactly where we were is because we faced a 8 hour drive to what was then home from Richmond (Yorkshire) after house hunting. Stop 1 was trying to find somewhere to buy a CD to listen to in the hire car we had...

    My first task when I discovered when the funeral was was to move our next shopping trip to Calais forward a fortnight...

    PS Popbitch has a very good Will Carling Princess Di story...
    I found the month following genuinely bewildering. I really did not understand what was going on. I have never felt so completely out of touch in my own country.
    Same here, I laughed at the North Koreans when Kim Il-Sung died, then a few years later we were doing the same.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,521
    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    It is at least arguable as to who started this war of revenge. May sacked him. And seemed to enjoy the process.

    Tory Game of Thrones?
  • JonathanJonathan Posts: 21,764
    Evening Standard editorial drops the mic. Ouch.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439

    On transfer deadline day, he's going to sign for Arsenal?

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/903277062261235714

    :open_mouth:
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    A purely theoretical question: imagine someone self-employed may well be shortly looking for work. And has no references because he's been self-employed. How big a problem is this?
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    edited August 2017
    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    Hey, he took her advice when she sacked him.

    http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2017/06/11/life-comes-at-you-fast-these-days-doesnt-it-mrs-may/
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Borough, why would Farage be going to North Korea?
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,521

    Mr. Borough, why would Farage be going to North Korea?

    Trump makes him the US ambassador. Our Nige will pour oil on troubled waters...
  • eekeek Posts: 28,787

    A purely theoretical question: imagine someone self-employed may well be shortly looking for work. And has no references because he's been self-employed. How big a problem is this?

    It's remarkably common I believe. Pick your most "professional" friends and ask them if they would be happy to provide something...
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,521

    A purely theoretical question: imagine someone self-employed may well be shortly looking for work. And has no references because he's been self-employed. How big a problem is this?

    Tricky. Larger organizations especially public sector these days seem to require several references. You could get former clients maybe?
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  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,215


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  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The venom that Conservative Leavers feel for George Osborne is something to behold. Newsflash: he might sincerely believe what he says. Indeed, the evidence suggests that in large part he does.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,521



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    It is becoming difficult to watch her do these two minute, fully brief and prepped, interviews to camera. She just looks, frankly, bloody terrified.
  • A purely theoretical question: imagine someone self-employed may well be shortly looking for work. And has no references because he's been self-employed. How big a problem is this?

    Depends on the job/employer, won't be an issue if you're going for a job that DBS check.

    I've done references for self employed contractors I've used.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,521

    The venom that Conservative Leavers feel for George Osborne is something to behold. Newsflash: he might sincerely believe what he says. Indeed, the evidence suggests that in large part he does.

    Of course he believes it. There is a huge fault line in the Tory party and it may end up being as costly as the Tariff Reform.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    edited August 2017

    The venom that Conservative Leavers feel for George Osborne is something to behold. Newsflash: he might sincerely believe what he says. Indeed, the evidence suggests that in large part he does.

    Indeed.

    Amused that a local free sheet editor can enrage so many people.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Eek, Mr. Borough, Mr. Eagles, cheers, much appreciated.
  • Has anyone seen any detail on what the 'young man from Whitehall' said in his legal analysis of the divorce bill that upset the Eurocrats so much?
  • SandraMSandraM Posts: 206
    Whatever people think of Osborne as a politician or as a human being, I picked up a copy of the London Evening Standard yesterday on the train and I was impressed by how he has improved it.
  • Has anyone seen any detail on what the 'young man from Whitehall' said in his legal analysis of the divorce bill that upset the Eurocrats so much?

    That none of your obligations have been codified into treaties.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DavidL said:
    The only reason I know exactly where we were is because we faced a 8 hour drive to what was then home from Richmond (Yorkshire) after house hunting. Stop 1 was trying to find somewhere to buy a CD to listen to in the hire car we had...

    My first task when I discovered when the funeral was was to move our next shopping trip to Calais forward a fortnight...

    PS Popbitch has a very good Will Carling Princess Di story...
    I found the month following genuinely bewildering. I really did not understand what was going on. I have never felt so completely out of touch in my own country.
    Ditto. I arrived back in the UK to those headlines, after an absence of 5 years. I pretty much wanted to get on the next plane and leave for another 5.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,521

    Mr. Eek, Mr. Borough, Mr. Eagles, cheers, much appreciated.

    You might be able to get something from college/school. I left uni three decades ago, but I approached my old department about five years ago for a reference because the client in question wanted some proof of academic skills (other than the certificates). Rather odd situation.

    One of my most junior lecturers turned out to have stuck to it and was now the head of department! He didn't remember me, but he did remember my best friend on the course and was also able to dig up some formal records etc.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    On the morning after Princess Diana's death, my wife and I got up and went off to visit Chartwell, without hearing any news. We were very pleasantly surprised to have the place almost entirely to ourselves. It was only as we were leaving that one of the attendants told us why it was empty.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,521
    edited August 2017
    MTimT said:

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DavidL said:
    The only reason I know exactly where we were is because we faced a 8 hour drive to what was then home from Richmond (Yorkshire) after house hunting. Stop 1 was trying to find somewhere to buy a CD to listen to in the hire car we had...

    My first task when I discovered when the funeral was was to move our next shopping trip to Calais forward a fortnight...

    PS Popbitch has a very good Will Carling Princess Di story...
    I found the month following genuinely bewildering. I really did not understand what was going on. I have never felt so completely out of touch in my own country.
    Ditto. I arrived back in the UK to those headlines, after an absence of 5 years. I pretty much wanted to get on the next plane and leave for another 5.
    It was the thing with the Candle single that made me wonder - what the f*.

    There was news video of people literally buying huge armfuls at a time of the thing. As if the more they bought, the more she might come back to life or something.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    I have happily vague memories of that time, but do recall being perplexed by people being distraught given they'd never met her.

    Mr. Eek, thanks, again.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,521

    On the morning after Princess Diana's death, my wife and I got up and went off to visit Chartwell, without hearing any news. We were very pleasantly surprised to have the place almost entirely to ourselves. It was only as we were leaving that one of the attendants told us why it was empty.

    As an alternative, I was camping in rural France when 9/11 happened. The campsite was empty that week apart from us (the French don't bother in September).

    It was over a week before we heard any of the news.
  • August/September 1997 my entire focus was leaving home for the first time so I could attend university.

    The Diana hysteria cemented my republican tendencies.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Borough, on 9/11 I was at a 50th birthday dinner. That was an odd atmosphere.
  • Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981

    The venom that Conservative Leavers feel for George Osborne is something to behold. Newsflash: he might sincerely believe what he says. Indeed, the evidence suggests that in large part he does.

    Indeed.

    Amused that a free sheet editor can enrage so many people.
    I think the thing is, if he were merely second-rate instead of fourth-going-on-fifth, Cameron would be in Downing Street and we would be in the EU. I'd like that. Wouldn't you?

    But "enrage" is wrong, it's more what Pope said about Hervey:

    Let Paris tremble – ‘What? that Thing of silk,
    Paris, that mere white Curd of Ass’s milk?
    Satire or Shame alas! can Paris feel?
    Who breaks a Butterfly upon a Wheel?’
    Yet let me slap this Bug with gilded wings,
    This painted Child of Dirt that stinks and stings;
    Whose Buss the Witty and the Fair annoys,
    Yet Wit ne’er tastes, and Beauty ne’er enjoys,
    So well-bred Spaniels civilly delight
    In mumbling of the Game they dare not bite.
  • foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    SandraM said:

    Whatever people think of Osborne as a politician or as a human being, I picked up a copy of the London Evening Standard yesterday on the train and I was impressed by how he has improved it.

    I have been reading "The New European" on the beach today. It has turned into an excellent paper full of thoughtful reviews. I am tempted to subscribe, but apparently you get a signed copy of Alistair Campbells diaries with it.
  • Yes, but it was apparently a detailed powerpoint or similar multi-page takedown of their legal position... would love to see it or have a summary.

    Has anyone seen any detail on what the 'young man from Whitehall' said in his legal analysis of the divorce bill that upset the Eurocrats so much?

    That none of your obligations have been codified into treaties.
  • Mr. Borough, on 9/11 I was at a 50th birthday dinner. That was an odd atmosphere.

    7/7 was weird for me.

    I lived and worked in London that time but I was in Madrid that day, I didn't know about it until I got a phone call from my mother, who was near hysterical wanting to know if I was ok.

    I sheepishly replied that I was ok and in Madrid, then I got an earful for not telling her I had left the country for a few days.

    But the events of 7/7 brought back bad memories for the people of Madrid.
  • MJWMJW Posts: 1,774
    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    You might well be right. It would certainly rip the Tories apart, which never ends well for them. The problem is, the Brexiteer alternatives look rotten too. You've got May and Co continuing to fudge while playing to the gallery on Brexit - a move whose limitations were shown at the election as younger voters - those under 40 - flocked to Labour to show their anger at her and their elders for imposing hardship on them in pursuit of a future they don't want. A right-wing Brexiteer magnifies that problem and the Tories appear to have maxed out the UKIP-Brexit at any cost vote so any boost would seem to be limited.
  • Yes, but it was apparently a detailed powerpoint or similar multi-page takedown of their legal position... would love to see it or have a summary.

    Has anyone seen any detail on what the 'young man from Whitehall' said in his legal analysis of the divorce bill that upset the Eurocrats so much?

    That none of your obligations have been codified into treaties.
    No running commentary unfortunately.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,140

    Yes, but it was apparently a detailed powerpoint or similar multi-page takedown of their legal position... would love to see it or have a summary.

    Has anyone seen any detail on what the 'young man from Whitehall' said in his legal analysis of the divorce bill that upset the Eurocrats so much?

    That none of your obligations have been codified into treaties.
    Their legal position... or lack thereof.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822

    Yes, but it was apparently a detailed powerpoint or similar multi-page takedown of their legal position... would love to see it or have a summary.

    Has anyone seen any detail on what the 'young man from Whitehall' said in his legal analysis of the divorce bill that upset the Eurocrats so much?

    That none of your obligations have been codified into treaties.
    Oddly enough it seems to be missing from the government papers available for download!
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439

    On the morning after Princess Diana's death, my wife and I got up and went off to visit Chartwell, without hearing any news. We were very pleasantly surprised to have the place almost entirely to ourselves. It was only as we were leaving that one of the attendants told us why it was empty.

    I remember waking up at around 8am and turning on telly.

    Clearly someone important had died but It wasn't immediately obvious who so I thought it was the Queen Mum.

    About two minutes later it become obvious...
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Mr. Eagles, the thing about 7/7 I remember was a southern twonk journalist claiming one of the nutcases had a broad Yorkshire accent, when he clearly had an ordinary one [for those unaware, broad Yorkshire is bloody indecipherable].
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    Incidentally, it's noticeable that no-one is now claiming that the UK Brexit team are amateurish and unprepared.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439

    Incidentally, it's noticeable that no-one is now claiming that the UK Brexit team are amateurish and unprepared.

    I never thought they were...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712
    Much ado about nothing

    or how Emmanuel Macron tinkered with fench labour laws

  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    May might be mildly aspergers (indeed so probably is Osborne, neither have the people skills of Cameron or Boris) might I don't think anyone suggests she is seriously nasty.

    As for Labour they of course got 60 fewer seats than May and in this week's ICM are exactly tied with the Tories under her leadership
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382
    GIN1138 said:

    On the morning after Princess Diana's death, my wife and I got up and went off to visit Chartwell, without hearing any news. We were very pleasantly surprised to have the place almost entirely to ourselves. It was only as we were leaving that one of the attendants told us why it was empty.

    I remember waking up at around 8am and turning on telly.

    Clearly someone important had died but It wasn't immediately obvious who so I thought it was the Queen Mum.

    About two minutes later it become obvious...
    I woke my wife at 5am to tell her the news , after hearing it on radio 5..The first thing she said whilst half a wake , was do you think the spooks have done it ? She still believes it was more than just an accident.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 120,345
    edited August 2017

    Yes, but it was apparently a detailed powerpoint or similar multi-page takedown of their legal position... would love to see it or have a summary.

    Has anyone seen any detail on what the 'young man from Whitehall' said in his legal analysis of the divorce bill that upset the Eurocrats so much?

    That none of your obligations have been codified into treaties.
    Oddly enough it seems to be missing from the government papers available for download!
    I wonder if this might turn out like the (in)famous Scottish Government's legal advice that didn't exist.
  • Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,822
    GIN1138 said:

    Incidentally, it's noticeable that no-one is now claiming that the UK Brexit team are amateurish and unprepared.

    I never thought they were...
    Nor did I, but that was the narrative in the media until a couple of weeks ago.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,229

    Yes, but it was apparently a detailed powerpoint or similar multi-page takedown of their legal position... would love to see it or have a summary.

    Has anyone seen any detail on what the 'young man from Whitehall' said in his legal analysis of the divorce bill that upset the Eurocrats so much?

    That none of your obligations have been codified into treaties.
    Oddly enough it seems to be missing from the government papers available for download!
    I wonder if this might turn out like the (in)famous Scottish Government's legal advice that didn't exist.
    It's upsetting a lot of people for something that doesn't exist.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,682
    I was in a hotel outside Paris when Diana died coming back from Italy so being quite close to the scene of the tragedy brought it home. We awoke to the Sky news reports which I broke to disbelieving parents and at Dover when we were back on British soil a grown man was in floods of tears in the car next to us. Her death was our Kennedy assassination however she loves on through her son's and grandson who are the future of the monarchy. I also did an internship at the Princess Diana Memorial Fund one summer about 5 years ago which did a lot of good work from the donations made in memory of her
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,762

    August/September 1997 my entire focus was leaving home for the first time so I could attend university.

    The Diana hysteria cemented my republican tendencies.

    Odd. Most of the hysteria came from the republicans, who saw her death as a way to weaken and humiliate the monarchy.
  • YorkcityYorkcity Posts: 4,382

    Mr. Eagles, the thing about 7/7 I remember was a southern twonk journalist claiming one of the nutcases had a broad Yorkshire accent, when he clearly had an ordinary one [for those unaware, broad Yorkshire is bloody indecipherable].

    South Yorkshire can be , York seems very mild in comparison.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034

    MTimT said:

    DavidL said:

    eek said:

    DavidL said:
    The only reason I know exactly where we were is because we faced a 8 hour drive to what was then home from Richmond (Yorkshire) after house hunting. Stop 1 was trying to find somewhere to buy a CD to listen to in the hire car we had...

    My first task when I discovered when the funeral was was to move our next shopping trip to Calais forward a fortnight...

    PS Popbitch has a very good Will Carling Princess Di story...
    I found the month following genuinely bewildering. I really did not understand what was going on. I have never felt so completely out of touch in my own country.
    Ditto. I arrived back in the UK to those headlines, after an absence of 5 years. I pretty much wanted to get on the next plane and leave for another 5.
    It was the thing with the Candle single that made me wonder - what the f*.

    There was news video of people literally buying huge armfuls at a time of the thing. As if the more they bought, the more she might come back to life or something.
    I eventually cracked and went to see the mourning crowds. I am glad I did. No descriptions can have the impact of being there - particularly of being able to smell the flowers from over a mile away, there were so many of them.

    That is not to say I found the hysterical levels of mourning any less bewildering, but rather that you had to be there to fully experience what happened.
  • chrisoxonchrisoxon Posts: 204
    I was too young for Diana's death to have a meaningful impact (had I wanted it to) so I don't remember a great deal of the aftermath. On that morning though I woke my parents up early in the morning, complaining "There's no children's TV, a Princess has died"
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158

    Incidentally, it's noticeable that no-one is now claiming that the UK Brexit team are amateurish and unprepared.

    Quite. I hope Davis is well rewarded for his efforts.

    Hereditary peerage at least.

    Earl of H&H?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,439
    Yorkcity said:

    GIN1138 said:

    On the morning after Princess Diana's death, my wife and I got up and went off to visit Chartwell, without hearing any news. We were very pleasantly surprised to have the place almost entirely to ourselves. It was only as we were leaving that one of the attendants told us why it was empty.

    I remember waking up at around 8am and turning on telly.

    Clearly someone important had died but It wasn't immediately obvious who so I thought it was the Queen Mum.

    About two minutes later it become obvious...
    I woke my wife at 5am to tell her the news , after hearing it on radio 5..The first thing she said whilst half a wake , was do you think the spooks have done it ? She still believes it was more than just an accident.
    So does my Mother...

    I think it will always be one of the deaths where about half the population believes it was a conspiracy...
  • GIN1138 said:

    Yorkcity said:

    GIN1138 said:

    On the morning after Princess Diana's death, my wife and I got up and went off to visit Chartwell, without hearing any news. We were very pleasantly surprised to have the place almost entirely to ourselves. It was only as we were leaving that one of the attendants told us why it was empty.

    I remember waking up at around 8am and turning on telly.

    Clearly someone important had died but It wasn't immediately obvious who so I thought it was the Queen Mum.

    About two minutes later it become obvious...
    I woke my wife at 5am to tell her the news , after hearing it on radio 5..The first thing she said whilst half a wake , was do you think the spooks have done it ? She still believes it was more than just an accident.
    So does my Mother...

    I think it will always be one of the deaths where about half the population believes it was a conspiracy...
    So does my Mother, until I pointed out the only person to survive the accident was wearing a seat belt.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,635
    Yorkcity said:

    GIN1138 said:

    On the morning after Princess Diana's death, my wife and I got up and went off to visit Chartwell, without hearing any news. We were very pleasantly surprised to have the place almost entirely to ourselves. It was only as we were leaving that one of the attendants told us why it was empty.

    I remember waking up at around 8am and turning on telly.

    Clearly someone important had died but It wasn't immediately obvious who so I thought it was the Queen Mum.

    About two minutes later it become obvious...
    I woke my wife at 5am to tell her the news , after hearing it on radio 5..The first thing she said whilst half a wake , was do you think the spooks have done it ? She still believes it was more than just an accident.
    My first thought on hearing the news was that that would be THE NEWS for at least the next two weeks (months), and probably longer...
  • welshowlwelshowl Posts: 4,464
    Mortimer said:

    Incidentally, it's noticeable that no-one is now claiming that the UK Brexit team are amateurish and unprepared.

    Quite. I hope Davis is well rewarded for his efforts.

    Hereditary peerage at least.

    Earl of H&H?
    I was more thinking Duke of Brabant.
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    This probably makes TMay unsuited as PM. I do not understand why it makes her nasty though.
  • PeterC said:



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    This probably makes TMay unsuited as PM. I do not understand why it makes her nasty though.
    Her condoning of the bullying behaviour of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill makes her a nasty person.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712

    PeterC said:



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    This probably makes TMay unsuited as PM. I do not understand why it makes her nasty though.
    Her condoning of the bullying behaviour of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill makes her a nasty person.
    you really have lost the plot
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    GIN1138 said:

    Yorkcity said:

    GIN1138 said:

    On the morning after Princess Diana's death, my wife and I got up and went off to visit Chartwell, without hearing any news. We were very pleasantly surprised to have the place almost entirely to ourselves. It was only as we were leaving that one of the attendants told us why it was empty.

    I remember waking up at around 8am and turning on telly.

    Clearly someone important had died but It wasn't immediately obvious who so I thought it was the Queen Mum.

    About two minutes later it become obvious...
    I woke my wife at 5am to tell her the news , after hearing it on radio 5..The first thing she said whilst half a wake , was do you think the spooks have done it ? She still believes it was more than just an accident.
    So does my Mother...

    I think it will always be one of the deaths where about half the population believes it was a conspiracy...
    It's difficult to see how the high speed crash could have been contrived - unless Henri Paul was in a suicide pact.
  • The US consumes 83% of the world's oxycodone.

    Jaw hits floor...
  • eekeek Posts: 28,787

    PeterC said:



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    This probably makes TMay unsuited as PM. I do not understand why it makes her nasty though.
    Her condoning of the bullying behaviour of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill makes her a nasty person.
    you really have lost the plot
    The stories that have come out about Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill's behaviour do make me wonder if she was paying attention to what was going on...
  • PeterC said:



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    This probably makes TMay unsuited as PM. I do not understand why it makes her nasty though.
    Her condoning of the bullying behaviour of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill makes her a nasty person.
    you really have lost the plot
    I condemned Brown for it, so when I was getting first hand reports of Mrs May and her staff's behaviour, I pointed it out here, I'm consistent.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,787
    edited August 2017

    The US consumes 83% of the world's oxycodone.

    Jaw hits floor...

    Is it profitable? I somehow suspect it is given how the US Health service works...
  • Virgil van Dijk is staying at Southampton, Philippe Coutinho will remain at Liverpool and, barring something really dramatic happening between now and 11 o'clock, Alexis Sanchez will not be leaving Arsenal.

    That's 3 pissed off players...
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712
    eek said:

    PeterC said:



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    This probably makes TMay unsuited as PM. I do not understand why it makes her nasty though.
    Her condoning of the bullying behaviour of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill makes her a nasty person.
    you really have lost the plot
    The stories that have come out about Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill's behaviour do make me wonder if she was paying attention to what was going on...
    lol

    yes because politicians are all fragrant violets
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,074
    Anyway, time for me to be off. Play nicely, children.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712

    PeterC said:



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    This probably makes TMay unsuited as PM. I do not understand why it makes her nasty though.
    Her condoning of the bullying behaviour of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill makes her a nasty person.
    you really have lost the plot
    I condemned Brown for it, so when I was getting first hand reports of Mrs May and her staff's behaviour, I pointed it out here, I'm consistent.
    ROFL

    and cheered on all of Osborne's chicanery

    the moral high is best not taken in a swamp
  • Virgil van Dijk is staying at Southampton, Philippe Coutinho will remain at Liverpool and, barring something really dramatic happening between now and 11 o'clock, Alexis Sanchez will not be leaving Arsenal.

    That's 3 pissed off players...

    The Spanish window closes 25 hrs after the English window, so we've got another 29 hours of the Coutinho saga to go.
  • PeterC said:



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    This probably makes TMay unsuited as PM. I do not understand why it makes her nasty though.
    Her condoning of the bullying behaviour of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill makes her a nasty person.
    you really have lost the plot
    I condemned Brown for it, so when I was getting first hand reports of Mrs May and her staff's behaviour, I pointed it out here, I'm consistent.
    ROFL

    and cheered on all of Osborne's chicanery

    the moral high is best not taken in a swamp
    Chicanery is synonymous with bullying? Is English your first language?

    Show me a single example of someone alleging Osborne bullying them?
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712

    PeterC said:



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    This probably makes TMay unsuited as PM. I do not understand why it makes her nasty though.
    Her condoning of the bullying behaviour of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill makes her a nasty person.
    you really have lost the plot
    I condemned Brown for it, so when I was getting first hand reports of Mrs May and her staff's behaviour, I pointed it out here, I'm consistent.
    ROFL

    and cheered on all of Osborne's chicanery

    the moral high is best not taken in a swamp
    Chicanery is synonymous with bullying? Is English your first language?

    Show me a single example of someone alleging Osborne bullying them?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-osborne-accused-of-bullying-over-tax-credit-cuts-a6707356.html

    target rich environment
  • PeterC said:



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    This probably makes TMay unsuited as PM. I do not understand why it makes her nasty though.
    Her condoning of the bullying behaviour of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill makes her a nasty person.
    you really have lost the plot
    I condemned Brown for it, so when I was getting first hand reports of Mrs May and her staff's behaviour, I pointed it out here, I'm consistent.
    ROFL

    and cheered on all of Osborne's chicanery

    the moral high is best not taken in a swamp
    Chicanery is synonymous with bullying? Is English your first language?

    Show me a single example of someone alleging Osborne bullying them?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-osborne-accused-of-bullying-over-tax-credit-cuts-a6707356.html

    target rich environment
    Chortle. You think that's bullying?

    Plus you can see what George was up against trying to cut the deficit.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712

    PeterC said:



    RoyalBlue said:

    Osborne is a vengeful and unpleasant piece of work. If he and his underlings succeed in scuppering May and Brexit, Labour will win a landslide next time.

    But he's not as nasty as TMay who is simply incapable of interacting with people and hasn't the mental agility to cope with being questioned. Labour must be cheering her on in her desire to stay till the next GE.
    This probably makes TMay unsuited as PM. I do not understand why it makes her nasty though.
    Her condoning of the bullying behaviour of Nick Timothy and Fiona Hill makes her a nasty person.
    you really have lost the plot
    I condemned Brown for it, so when I was getting first hand reports of Mrs May and her staff's behaviour, I pointed it out here, I'm consistent.
    ROFL

    and cheered on all of Osborne's chicanery

    the moral high is best not taken in a swamp
    Chicanery is synonymous with bullying? Is English your first language?

    Show me a single example of someone alleging Osborne bullying them?
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-osborne-accused-of-bullying-over-tax-credit-cuts-a6707356.html

    target rich environment
    Chortle. You think that's bullying?

    Plus you can see what George was up against trying to cut the deficit.
    rofl

    you think 2 spads are flashman

    as I said youve lost the plot
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,320
    edited August 2017
    Stephen Daisley - Pain, loss, and the miserably high price of seizing Scottish Labour’s poison chalice

    "As the late makar Edwin Morgan observed of the pell-mell cluster of buildings sitting squat at the foot of the Royal Mile: ‘What do the people want of the place? They want it to be filled with thinking persons as open and adventurous as its architecture.’ Instead we have an assemblage of the bland and the fanatic, the absurdly self-righteous and the creepily ambitious.

    Kezia Dugdale now returns to the backbenches, there to regain that precious treasure, a normal life. Who amongst us could blame her? The fact that so many politicians would confirms that those who represent us are nothing like us."
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    She really screwed the Tories, history shows once a party starts losing net seats, it's only downhill from there.

    Sod the Tories, she really screwed the country. Hague was really interesting on this on R5 yesterday. He had absolutely no doubt that we would get a worse deal from Brexit because the government is weak; that we would end up paying more and that the deal would be softer (which, as a remainer, he did not seem to think was in the UK's interests).

    That is why she has really pissed me off. She faced a critical period for the UK with a modest but a solid majority and she completely screwed it up against someone who made Kinnock look Prime Ministerial and numerate. And we will all end up paying a price for her stupid arrogance. As Mike says, it is truly extraordinary that she is still there. Incompetence and ineptitude on this scale should not be tolerated, let alone rewarded.
    The best interests of the Tory party are the best interests of the country.

    More often than not I would agree with that. At the moment I am not so sure. Even although I think George is being a bit self indulgent he is simply telling it as it is. The rest of the cabinet needs to get a grip and get rid.
    If George has an alternative suggestion, we're all ears.

    In the meantime, I'll assume he's still acting in the character he's been accustomed to for at least the last 6 years and is "plotting the downfall of his enemies", as he reportedly said he would devote himself to doing last year.

    Yes - perhaps more attention to the detail on taxes on hot savoury pastries and more effort reducing the deficit and he would be PM rather than editor of the London Beano.

    He's the political equivalent on Jack Wiltshire.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    I'll admit I was rather shocked by Theresa May's answer to my question over whether she wanted to fight the next general election.

    She responded with a straight "Yes."

    Firstly, she'd not said it before; secondly it was an unequivocal answer to a direct question by a Prime Minister who often avoids and deflects with pre-planned soundbites, not always relevant to the inquiry.

    Then I was left wondering, what choice did she have? At some point the Prime Minister had to put this question to bed. With reports, perhaps "fake news," suggesting she'd set a date to resign - it was time to take a position.


    https://twitter.com/skynews/status/903259653727023104

    Interesting she answered "wanted to" not "will". The headlines reported "will"
  • rofl

    you think 2 spads are flashman

    as I said youve lost the plot

    I've been right about Mrs May the moment she walked into Number 10.
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