Just heard Labours great white hope on radio 4. she was bloody awful! Fortunately Malcolm Rifkind is just as bad. Unusually he sounds like an old buffer.
Yvette was very flat - but then Evan D was prepped with the Green arrest comparison - which I thought Rifkind did a better job rebutting - Yvette was left with "questions that must be answered....."
One of the few laudable features of the PB Tories was their seemingly genuine commitment to less repressive government. They rightly castigated the Labour Government under Blair and Brown for their flagrant disregard of civil liberties.
Depressingly apart from Richard Tindall the outrage of the rest has been shown to be nothing more than partisan and worthless.
*tears of laughter etc.*
;^ )
Seemingly genuine?? What planet are you living on? Most of the PB Tories barely let out a peep at NannyCam's snoopers charter and the most servile Cameroons cheered it on. Same for NannyCam's bonkers internet filter and rebranding control orders to TPIMs.
Their partisan hypocrisy is so on message it could have been set out for them on a CCHQ spinsheet.
The today programme has been pretty vomit inducing on the Miranda issue this morning. As far as I can see the situation is - a foreign national lands on british soil, he is suspected of being a mule carrying stolen documents that could potentially put certain aspects of this country's security at risk. The security services hold him and check his electronic equipment for such information, the public release of which could be beneficial to terrorists. The most effective way of doing this is under an existing law that is broad in scope. Then said foreign national is released.
I cannot think of another country that would allow a foreign national to pass through their country with stolen security docs that might affect their national security.
Only in Britain would there be such a disproportionate response by the national broadcaster and self loathing.
Unfortunately it appears that the guardian and the bbc think that the Bourne supremacy was a documentary about the guardian rather than a fictional spy thriller....
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The today programme has been pretty vomit inducing on the Miranda issue this morning. As far as I can see the situation is - a foreign national lands on british soil, he is suspected of being a mule carrying stolen documents that could potentially put certain aspects of this country's security at risk. The security services hold him and check his electronic equipment for such information, the public release of which could be beneficial to terrorists. The most effective way of doing this is under an existing law that is broad in scope. Then said foreign national is released.
I cannot think of another country that would allow a foreign national to pass through their country with stolen security docs that might affect their national security.
Only in Britain would there be such a disproportionate response by the national broadcaster and self loathing.
Unfortunately it appears that the guardian and the bbc think that the Bourne supremacy was a documentary about the guardian rather than a fictional spy thriller....
Particularly when those documents would presumably have ended up at the Guardian, where eventually through a hilarious mistake they would be released unredacted ...
If you want a real conspiracy theory, ask yourself if that was incompetence or the result of a darker motive on the part of the Guardian and the authors.
The today programme has been pretty vomit inducing on the Miranda issue this morning. As far as I can see the situation is - a foreign national lands on british soil, he is suspected of being a mule carrying stolen documents that could potentially put certain aspects of this country's security at risk. The security services hold him and check his electronic equipment for such information, the public release of which could be beneficial to terrorists. The most effective way of doing this is under an existing law that is broad in scope. Then said foreign national is released.
I cannot think of another country that would allow a foreign national to pass through their country with stolen security docs that might affect their national security.
Only in Britain would there be such a disproportionate response by the national broadcaster and self loathing.
Unfortunately it appears that the guardian and the bbc think that the Bourne supremacy was a documentary about the guardian rather than a fictional spy thriller....
Particularly when those documents would presumably have ended up at the Guardian, where eventually through a hilarious mistake they would be released unredacted ...
If you want a real conspiracy theory, ask yourself if that was incompetence or the result of a darker motive on the part of the Guardian and the authors.
(edited for typos)
And with greenwald now stamping his feet and claiming that he is going to unleash his wrath on the "English" authorities to embarrass them then it would seem to justify the security services' belief that greenwald and co do have damaging stolen documents. Or greenwald is talking shit....
A spokesman said that Mr Miliband would stick to his timetable and would not make a full speech until the TUC conference; he was “unconcerned” by criticism that the party had ceded the summer to the Conservatives.
Close colleagues, however, have revealed that Mr Miliband was angered by his Shadow Cabinet’s failure to do more over the first period of the parliamentary recess to counter a Tory offensive. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3848493.ece
The today programme has been pretty vomit inducing on the Miranda issue this morning. As far as I can see the situation is - a foreign national lands on british soil, he is suspected of being a mule carrying stolen documents that could potentially put certain aspects of this country's security at risk. The security services hold him and check his electronic equipment for such information, the public release of which could be beneficial to terrorists. The most effective way of doing this is under an existing law that is broad in scope. Then said foreign national is released.
That pretty much sums up the entire story so far. – as to what Miranda may or may not have been carrying is still very much open to speculation. From what I've heard, BBC radio news has been singing to the Guardian song sheet since the story broke. The most obvious questions are simply ignored or not asked.
Plato.. amazing, appallingly bad.. it even manages to insult the intelligence of the children. I wonder what the mesage man Roger thinks of it..
I just want to cry - its patronising, treats any kid over about 12yrs old as if they were 8yrs old and digs up ancient Class War stereotypes. If Unite is trying to recreate an army of tweeny Eric Heffers - this fails dismally.
The today programme has been pretty vomit inducing on the Miranda issue this morning. As far as I can see the situation is - a foreign national lands on british soil, he is suspected of being a mule carrying stolen documents that could potentially put certain aspects of this country's security at risk. The security services hold him and check his electronic equipment for such information, the public release of which could be beneficial to terrorists. The most effective way of doing this is under an existing law that is broad in scope. Then said foreign national is released.
That pretty much sums up the entire story so far. – as to what Miranda may or may not have been carrying is still very much open to speculation. From what I've heard, BBC radio news has been singing to the Guardian song sheet since the story broke. The most obvious questions are simply ignored or not asked.
The faux surprise is something that winds me up more than anything. If my girlfriend was a journalist who had been involved in the publication of damaging material that had been stolen from a government and she asked me to go and collect more documents from someone and that her company would pay for my tickets I would have to be pretty stupid to then fly through the affected country in the first place or accept that they are most probably going to be rather unhappy and thus try and intercept more damaging info being ferried around.
One might almost think that by walking into the lion's den mr Miranda might have been set up to give this story fresh legs and the giant ego that is greenwald more publicity. I am sure Miranda could have flown via Amsterdam rather than London.
my attacks on lefties, lib-lefties, atheists, Labourites, bourgeois greenies, public sector poshos and members of the Muslim Brotherhood will probably always be more effective and amusing, should they be amusing, because my hatred of these people is more genuine and vivid.
So the only people you don't hate are posh Rightwingers. People like, gosh, yourself!
Hilarious, and incredibly revealing. You didn't just hit a nerve you drilled vigorously into the f*cking SeanT Partridge brain stem, or so it seems.
You should do a tired faux outrage column on that carl.
*chortle*
The revealing part was that Carl thinks anyone who isn't on the left is posh, and uses posh as an insult... How would that sit in reverse?
Who to believe on press freedoms and civil liberties?
The tea party tories, Dan Hodges and Louise Mensch or David Davis?
Tory MP David Davis, the former shadow home secretary, said: This is absolutely not solely an operational matter for the police. This relates directly to Press freedom.’
That time-line somewhat undermines the puffed up outrage from yesterday. I wonder what will be revealed today to further deflate the Guardian ‘Mule’ story.
Who to believe on press freedoms and civil liberties?
The tea party tories, Dan Hodges and Louise Mensch or David Davis?
Tory MP David Davis, the former shadow home secretary, said: This is absolutely not solely an operational matter for the police. This relates directly to Press freedom.’
Drowning man clutches at flouncer. Davis obviously doesn't mean it, or he'd have resigned by now to force a by-election on the issue.
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Seemingly genuine?? What planet are you living on? Most of the PB Tories barely let out a peep at NannyCam's snoopers charter and the most servile Cameroons cheered it on. Same for NannyCam's bonkers internet filter and rebranding control orders to TPIMs.
Their partisan hypocrisy is so on message it could have been set out for them on a CCHQ spinsheet.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-21/election-live-august-21/4901196
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=HyUknpGOuEU
I cannot think of another country that would allow a foreign national to pass through their country with stolen security docs that might affect their national security.
Only in Britain would there be such a disproportionate response by the national broadcaster and self loathing.
Unfortunately it appears that the guardian and the bbc think that the Bourne supremacy was a documentary about the guardian rather than a fictional spy thriller....
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If you want a real conspiracy theory, ask yourself if that was incompetence or the result of a darker motive on the part of the Guardian and the authors.
(edited for typos)
A spokesman said that Mr Miliband would stick to his timetable and would not make a full speech until the TUC conference; he was “unconcerned” by criticism that the party had ceded the summer to the Conservatives.
Close colleagues, however, have revealed that Mr Miliband was angered by his Shadow Cabinet’s failure to do more over the first period of the parliamentary recess to counter a Tory offensive. http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/politics/article3848493.ece
Well. Quite.
Golly - that sounds like a laugh a minute.
One might almost think that by walking into the lion's den mr Miranda might have been set up to give this story fresh legs and the giant ego that is greenwald more publicity. I am sure Miranda could have flown via Amsterdam rather than London.
Maybe they are just a bit dim. Who knows.....
15.25 arrive T5
15.45 collected by immigration officer
16.05 "finally" granted access to Miranda
http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/aug/20/david-miranda-letter-home-office
http://youtu.be/JSuMSu20avs
The tea party tories, Dan Hodges and Louise Mensch or David Davis?