It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
They are not unfit to govern. And, even if they were, they'd be ten times better than Corbyn/McDonnell who are professional nation fucker-uppers.
The ability of remainers to embrace the batshit craziness of Corbyn & McDonnell is worrying !
Tell me about it, I spent six hours with JohnO of this parish, that's what's really worrying us, and a Brexit recession were it happen = Corbyn landslide.
Oh and the worry that the only way the people will oppose Corbyn's economic policies is when they've had five years of it.
Landslides are much more likely when the left or right is split. Your hero is intensely relaxed about splitting the Tory Party, so he's obviously quite relaxed about such an outcome. I hope the Europhile Tories who actually had the guts to stay in the Commons and argue their case will adopt a more constructive approach.
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
What about if they're both unfit to govern?
Snap
Then we might as well change the existing one for the other lot. The old consulting rule of "If what you are doing does not work, then stop doing it and try something else" is what seems to apply here.
If that's your rule remind me not to hire you as a consultant.
My best friend that I've known since we were 5 voted Leave. I haven't spoken to him since.
My Mum has banned my (Kipper voting) Dad from talking politics or foreign affairs to any of his sons because it was causing an increasing rift. A very sensible woman, and I stick to gardening, travel plans and grandchildren now. The atmosphere has improved no end.
I think the nonsense that is now being said/written about the dangers of Brexit is even worse than the hyperbole that was used in the campaign.
That's what he thinks.
He thinks it's people acting in response to the ludicrous hyperbole as part of the lobbying effort, some of which is biblical in its pronouncements, and no less irresponsible than what Farage was accusing of doing with his posters prior to the vote.
Tell me about it, I spent six hours with JohnO of this parish, that's what's really worrying us, and a Brexit recession were it happen = Corbyn landslide.
Well, that is were we are heading. Scary, isn't it?
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
What about if they're both unfit to govern?
Snap
Then we might as well change the existing one for the other lot. The old consulting rule of "If what you are doing does not work, then stop doing it and try something else" is what seems to apply here.
OR do what sensible people do when confronted by two equally useless products which is refuse to buy either.
Or, if you've got an Austin Maestro Diesel Clubman, hang on to it because the alternative may turn out to be not an Astra GTE but an Austin Allegro. A brown one.
Translated from French by Bing The presence today at my side of the President of the United States, Mr Donald Trump, is the sign of friendship that transcends time. "
But when the Great French Hope was elected POF did the lefties and "centrists" on here really believe Macron would rolling out the red carpet and sucking up to Donald Trump by Bastille Day?
Macron = Letdown for the left?
Macron is a centrist of sorts; the left in the shape of Melanchon was roundly defeated. Macron is committed to cutting state spending by around 3% of GDP - a kind of French austerity...
As far as Trump is concerned, Macron is almost Corbyn like in being able to have his cake and eat it. Domestically, the French appear quite happy that Trump is being played, and Trump seems happy he's being treated to ceremonial visits. Win/win - for now.
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
That's daft - we had a two party coalition just over two years ago & we're not far away from one at the moment. The Lib Dems would improve any government that they took part in.
With so much talent concentrated into just 14 MPs, the LibDems are clearly intellectual crack cocaine compared to the blandly insipid alcopops of the other parties' MPs. They won so few seats only because the electorate are simply too glacially stupid to appreciate what Titans the LibDems are. They are the bald albino bodybuilders of Prometheus; other MPs are Guy Pearce in comparison.
Tim Farron's gravitas is so extreme he distorts local space-time and is thereby ironically Dopplered into looking like a hapless, abject lightweight who would narrowly fail an audition for Grange Hill.
Still, we must not repine. Instead we must be grateful for the 14 LibDem MPs with which we have been blessed, while ruefully wishing there were more, so that they could even more "improve any government that they took part in".
12 MPs, so an even greater concentration of talent! The Lib Dem policy agenda is the important thing rather than the personnel involved.
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
Maybe because the industry is under serious threat from Brexit
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
They are not unfit to govern. And, even if they were, they'd be ten times better than Corbyn/McDonnell who are professional nation fucker-uppers.
The ability of remainers to embrace the batshit craziness of Corbyn & McDonnell is worrying !
Tell me about it, I spent six hours with JohnO of this parish, that's what's really worrying us, and a Brexit recession were it happen = Corbyn landslide.
Oh and the worry that the only way the people will oppose Corbyn's economic policies is when they've had five years of it.
Landslides are much more likely when the left or right is split. Your hero is intensely relaxed about splitting the Tory Party, so he's obviously quite relaxed about such an outcome. I hope the Europhile Tories who actually had the guts to stay in the Commons and argue their case will adopt a more constructive approach.
Then again, that's setting the bar pretty low.
Cameron's my hero.
You own Brexit, George runs a free sheet in London, he has no influence any more.
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
What about if they're both unfit to govern?
Snap
Then we might as well change the existing one for the other lot. The old consulting rule of "If what you are doing does not work, then stop doing it and try something else" is what seems to apply here.
If that's your rule remind me not to hire you as a consultant.
I think the nonsense that is now being said/written about the dangers of Brexit is even worse than the hyperbole that was used in the campaign.
Like the Government saying they will continue to pay, after we leave.
Oh, wait...
I voted remain but we have to follow the democratic decision, who knows what will happen when we leave. Everyone last year was predicting a recession this year and that has not happened, now everyone is predicting a recession next year. Despite what loads of posters claim is the worst government in history this country is currently booming. It may well continue to boom, who knows. The majority of economic predictions have been as reliable as pollsters. We should all just relax and wait and see what happens.
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
They are not unfit to govern. And, even if they were, they'd be ten times better than Corbyn/McDonnell who are professional nation fucker-uppers.
The ability of remainers to embrace the batshit craziness of Corbyn & McDonnell is worrying !
Tell me about it, I spent six hours with JohnO of this parish, that's what's really worrying us, and a Brexit recession were it happen = Corbyn landslide.
Oh and the worry that the only way the people will oppose Corbyn's economic policies is when they've had five years of it.
That reminds me. I need to get in touch with JohnO.
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
What about if they're both unfit to govern?
Snap
Then we might as well change the existing one for the other lot. The old consulting rule of "If what you are doing does not work, then stop doing it and try something else" is what seems to apply here.
OR do what sensible people do when confronted by two equally useless products which is refuse to buy either.
Indeed Richard, but if something HAS to be purchased ....?
It doesn't. No one has to vote for either party. If enough people choose not to then they both lose. If enough people vote for one over another then they win in accordance with ghebwishes of the electorate.
Personally I think they are all rubbish and I don't have to vote for any of them.
I think the nonsense that is now being said/written about the dangers of Brexit is even worse than the hyperbole that was used in the campaign.
Like the Government saying they will continue to pay, after we leave.
Oh, wait...
I voted remain but we have to follow the democratic decision, who knows what will happen when we leave. Everyone last year was predicting a recession this year and that has not happened, now everyone is predicting a recession next year. Despite what loads of posters claim is the worst government in history this country is currently booming. It may well continue to boom, who knows. The majority of economic predictions have been as reliable as pollsters. We should all just relax and wait and see what happens.
Let us hope you are correct, because the alternatives are dreadful.
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
They are not unfit to govern. And, even if they were, they'd be ten times better than Corbyn/McDonnell who are professional nation fucker-uppers.
"Fuckers-up", surely. In no language with which I am acquainted does the preposition have to agree with the adjacent noun, even if used adverbially as here.
Neologisms don't always follow grammatical rules.
"fucker-upper" is a wholly gratuitous neologism though given there is a template - "runner-up" readily available.
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
Maybe because the industry is under serious threat from Brexit
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
Maybe because the industry is under serious threat from Brexit
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
They are not unfit to govern. And, even if they were, they'd be ten times better than Corbyn/McDonnell who are professional nation fucker-uppers.
"Fuckers-up", surely. In no language with which I am acquainted does the preposition have to agree with the adjacent noun, even if used adverbially as here.
Neologisms don't always follow grammatical rules.
"fucker-upper" is a wholly gratuitous neologism though given there is a template - "runner-up" readily available.
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
Maybe because the industry is under serious threat from Brexit
What on earth do all other counties that aren't in the EU do to access "life saving medicines? "
It really is astonishing really that any other country can possibly function without Jean Claude Juncker...
The only country i have heard of in recent times that had trouble accessing medicines was Greece and that was directly because of the EU pushing the country to the edge of destructuon.
No, it wasn't.
It was (a) because more than half the drugs went out the back door and into the grey market and (b) hospital days payable were greater than 400 days and government instability meant the factoring market broke down
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
They are not unfit to govern. And, even if they were, they'd be ten times better than Corbyn/McDonnell who are professional nation fucker-uppers.
The ability of remainers to embrace the batshit craziness of Corbyn & McDonnell is worrying !
Tell me about it, I spent six hours with JohnO of this parish, that's what's really worrying us, and a Brexit recession were it happen = Corbyn landslide.
Oh and the worry that the only way the people will oppose Corbyn's economic policies is when they've had five years of it.
Given the 'one-way traffic' to Labour in Scotland, perhaps the Tories should collaborate with the SNP to deliver independence before the Labour block vote returns.
Meaning, you think they are cheap, if not free, for EU member states? Seriously?
Memebers of the single market can buy and sell things cheaper than those who are not members.
This is not complicated, unless you are a Brexiteer apparently
Not a brexiteer, but I am obviously slow on the uptake. The six largest Pharma companies are 2 US, 2 Swiss, 1 French, 1 UK. Is it certain that leaving the single market (if that is what we do) will overall increase the cost of drugs in this country? Your answer should take into account the existence, and possible future broadening of the scope of, the WTO Pharmaceutical Tariff Elimination Agreement.
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
They are not unfit to govern. And, even if they were, they'd be ten times better than Corbyn/McDonnell who are professional nation fucker-uppers.
The ability of remainers to embrace the batshit craziness of Corbyn & McDonnell is worrying !
Tell me about it, I spent six hours with JohnO of this parish, that's what's really worrying us, and a Brexit recession were it happen = Corbyn landslide.
Oh and the worry that the only way the people will oppose Corbyn's economic policies is when they've had five years of it.
Landslides are much more likely when the left or right is split. Your hero is intensely relaxed about splitting the Tory Party, so he's obviously quite relaxed about such an outcome. I hope the Europhile Tories who actually had the guts to stay in the Commons and argue their case will adopt a more constructive approach.
Then again, that's setting the bar pretty low.
Cameron's my hero.
You own Brexit, George runs a free sheet in London, he has no influence any more.
Your hero. The man who did more than any other in modern history to make sure we left the EU.
My best friend that I've known since we were 5 voted Leave. I haven't spoken to him since.
My Mum has banned my (Kipper voting) Dad from talking politics or foreign affairs to any of his sons because it was causing an increasing rift. A very sensible woman, and I stick to gardening, travel plans and grandchildren now. The atmosphere has improved no end.
I have to tune my mother out for the same reason. For some reason she assumes that everybody she meets shares every single one of her political views, which are basically UKIP and to me pretty offensive.
She may come to hate them immigrants less now that she relies on the one who lives in, but I'm not holding my breath.
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
Maybe because the industry is under serious threat from Brexit
What on earth do all other counties that aren't in the EU do to access "life saving medicines? "
It really is astonishing really that any other country can possibly function without Jean Claude Juncker...
The only country i have heard of in recent times that had trouble accessing medicines was Greece and that was directly because of the EU pushing the country to the edge of destructuon.
No, it wasn't.
It was (a) because more than half the drugs went out the back door and into the grey market and (b) hospital days payable were greater than 400 days and government instability meant the factoring market broke down
All of which h they coped with after a fashion until.they got to the point where they ran out of money and couldnt buy drugs.
I think the nonsense that is now being said/written about the dangers of Brexit is even worse than the hyperbole that was used in the campaign.
Like the Government saying they will continue to pay, after we leave.
Oh, wait...
I voted remain but we have to follow the democratic decision, who knows what will happen when we leave. Everyone last year was predicting a recession this year and that has not happened, now everyone is predicting a recession next year. Despite what loads of posters claim is the worst government in history this country is currently booming. It may well continue to boom, who knows. The majority of economic predictions have been as reliable as pollsters. We should all just relax and wait and see what happens.
Let us hope you are correct, because the alternatives are dreadful.
Brexit has never happened before so predictions are pointless. In 2010 who predicted that within 7 years we would have record employment and incredibly low unemployment in this country. The country was on the precipice of disaster yet somehow we got through it and look where we are now. What happened during the financial crisis in 2008-2010 was a far bigger deal than Brexit will ever be. Remember the majority of our banks were insolvent. The human race has massive flaws but its ability to adapt and move on is one of its greatest strengths. The UK will be fine afetr Brexit.
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
Maybe because the industry is under serious threat from Brexit
What on earth do all other counties that aren't in the EU do to access "life saving medicines? "
It really is astonishing really that any other country can possibly function without Jean Claude Juncker...
The only country i have heard of in recent times that had trouble accessing medicines was Greece and that was directly because of the EU pushing the country to the edge of destructuon.
Over the last year there have been quite a shortage of various staple pharmaceuticals that I prescibe. Apparently it is because the NHS has negotiated such low rates that the companies supply the Continent instead, as in the single market they can, and make bigger profits.
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
They are not unfit to govern. And, even if they were, they'd be ten times better than Corbyn/McDonnell who are professional nation fucker-uppers.
The ability of remainers to embrace the batshit craziness of Corbyn & McDonnell is worrying !
Tell me about it, I spent six hours with JohnO of this parish, that's what's really worrying us, and a Brexit recession were it happen = Corbyn landslide.
Oh and the worry that the only way the people will oppose Corbyn's economic policies is when they've had five years of it.
Landslides are much more likely when the left or right is split. Your hero is intensely relaxed about splitting the Tory Party, so he's obviously quite relaxed about such an outcome. I hope the Europhile Tories who actually had the guts to stay in the Commons and argue their case will adopt a more constructive approach.
Then again, that's setting the bar pretty low.
Cameron's my hero.
You own Brexit, George runs a free sheet in London, he has no influence any more.
Cameron’s your hero? Like JackW and Bonnie Prince Charlie, eh?
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
Maybe because the industry is under serious threat from Brexit
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
They are not unfit to govern. And, even if they were, they'd be ten times better than Corbyn/McDonnell who are professional nation fucker-uppers.
The ability of remainers to embrace the batshit craziness of Corbyn & McDonnell is worrying !
Tell me about it, I spent six hours with JohnO of this parish, that's what's really worrying us, and a Brexit recession were it happen = Corbyn landslide.
Oh and the worry that the only way the people will oppose Corbyn's economic policies is when they've had five years of it.
Given the 'one-way traffic' to Labour in Scotland, perhaps the Tories should collaborate with the SNP to deliver independence before the Labour block vote returns.
"Fuckers-up", surely. In no language with which I am acquainted does the preposition have to agree with the adjacent noun, even if used adverbially as here.
Plenty of languages with seperable verbs do it. Dutch and Hungarian for a start.
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
Maybe because the industry is under serious threat from Brexit
What on earth do all other counties that aren't in the EU do to access "life saving medicines? "
It really is astonishing really that any other country can possibly function without Jean Claude Juncker...
The only country i have heard of in recent times that had trouble accessing medicines was Greece and that was directly because of the EU pushing the country to the edge of destructuon.
No, it wasn't.
It was (a) because more than half the drugs went out the back door and into the grey market and (b) hospital days payable were greater than 400 days and government instability meant the factoring market broke down
All of which h they coped with after a fashion until.they got to the point where they ran out of money and couldnt buy drugs.
Supply was pretty heavily restricted from about 2005 onwards. Just saying it's not entirely the EUs fault...
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
I suspect his colleagues had taken quite a bit of drink on board.
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
Maybe because the industry is under serious threat from Brexit
Sadly this short term economic hit that some Leavers think is worth it is in reality people's jobs and livelihoods, people are going to get angry.
How disappointing that you're an apologist for the abusers of my friend.
Explicator, not apologist, I think. I think we can agree it's a sad, sad situation - and it's getting more and more absurd....
I agree. The continued attempts to undermine or prevent Brexit are indeed absurd.
Not an Elton fan, then ?
As far as 'undermining' is concerned, if commenting on the ongoing clusterfuck counts, I'm quite happy to plead guilty. Accepting the result of a democratic vote does not mean eschewing commentary on its consequences.
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
They are not unfit to govern. And, even if they were, they'd be ten times better than Corbyn/McDonnell who are professional nation fucker-uppers.
The ability of remainers to embrace the batshit craziness of Corbyn & McDonnell is worrying !
Tell me about it, I spent six hours with JohnO of this parish, that's what's really worrying us, and a Brexit recession were it happen = Corbyn landslide.
Oh and the worry that the only way the people will oppose Corbyn's economic policies is when they've had five years of it.
Landslides are much more likely when the left or right is split. Your hero is intensely relaxed about splitting the Tory Party, so he's obviously quite relaxed about such an outcome. I hope the Europhile Tories who actually had the guts to stay in the Commons and argue their case will adopt a more constructive approach.
Then again, that's setting the bar pretty low.
Cameron's my hero.
You own Brexit, George runs a free sheet in London, he has no influence any more.
Your hero. The man who did more than any other in modern history to make sure we left the EU.
Brexit has never happened before so predictions are pointless. In 2010 who predicted that within 7 years we would have record employment and incredibly low unemployment in this country. The country was on the precipice of disaster yet somehow we got through it and look where we are now. What happened during the financial crisis in 2008-2010 was a far bigger deal than Brexit will ever be. Remember the majority of our banks were insolvent. The human race has massive flaws but its ability to adapt and move on is one of its greatest strengths. The UK will be fine afetr Brexit.
Yep. There was a lot of fuss made over GBPUSD falling 15c after the Brexit vote, but late 2008 it fell 60c.
My best friend that I've known since we were 5 voted Leave. I haven't spoken to him since.
My Mum has banned my (Kipper voting) Dad from talking politics or foreign affairs to any of his sons because it was causing an increasing rift. A very sensible woman, and I stick to gardening, travel plans and grandchildren now. The atmosphere has improved no end.
I have to tune my mother out for the same reason. For some reason she assumes that everybody she meets shares every single one of her political views, which are basically UKIP and to me pretty offensive.
She may come to hate them immigrants less now that she relies on the one who lives in, but I'm not holding my breath.
Oh, pooh - life is too short to fall out over politics. My parents were Tories when I was a Communist, and we were fine with each other. My best friend once voted BNP, now wavers between Tories and UKIP (but contributed substantially to my election campaigns).
There are six BILLION people out there whom you don't depend on for affection and partnership. Convert them all first and keep your family and friends for the last. Like Fox's family, just talk about other stuff.
A Corbyn government definitely has an air of inevitability about it.
Like a Tory landslide had an air of inevitability about it, just three months ago, and just like a Corbyn government has looked completely impossible since he was first nominated as leader.
And it's as much bollocks as is was last time they did it 3 years ago. The NHS ranks highly on stuff like care equity but is 10th out of 11 on actually keeping people alive and making them better. Basically they treat everyone equally badly
It's like claiming Southern is the best rail service provider because they make everyone equally late .
How are you doing, Richard - all sorted on that issue?
No change at present. I have a rather personal investigation on Thursday which I keep jokingly referring to as a man in a wet suit with a Kodak. Hopefully they will work out what the score is and get some treatment going if necessary.
It was often said that the purpose of the Tory party was to clean up the mess after the Labour party had been in govt. Labour's last splurge will be with us for some time to come yet but the Tory party seems to be focused on infighting and Brexit arguments.
I am fairly certain that the purpose of the Labour party is to remind the Tories that they do NOT have a God-given right to govern.
So although I think Labour's policies are bad, I think continuing governance by the Tories in their current state is marginally worse.
Vote for Corbyn
No.
There are only two options: Tory or Labour.
If the Tories become unfit to govern then there is only one option left. There are no others.
They are not unfit to govern. And, even if they were, they'd be ten times better than Corbyn/McDonnell who are professional nation fucker-uppers.
The ability of remainers to embrace the batshit craziness of Corbyn & McDonnell is worrying !
Tell me about it, I spent six hours with JohnO of this parish, that's what's really worrying us, and a Brexit recession were it happen = Corbyn landslide.
Oh and the worry that the only way the people will oppose Corbyn's economic policies is when they've had five years of it.
Landslides are much more likely when the left or right is split. Your hero is intensely relaxed about splitting the Tory Party, so he's obviously quite relaxed about such an outcome. I hope the Europhile Tories who actually had the guts to stay in the Commons and argue their case will adopt a more constructive approach.
Then again, that's setting the bar pretty low.
Cameron's my hero.
You own Brexit, George runs a free sheet in London, he has no influence any more.
WE own Brexit. As a party, we own it and must deliver it. I think there's enormous scope for Europhiles to propose improvements to the current plans (e.g. accepting ECJ jurisdiction for Euratom scientists and other minor technical matters) but that is dependent on them not trying to crash the whole process at the same time.
Cameron follows the constructive approach. Osborne sadly does not.
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
Maybe because the industry is under serious threat from Brexit
What on earth do all other counties that aren't in the EU do to access "life saving medicines? "
It really is astonishing really that any other country can possibly function without Jean Claude Juncker...
The only country i have heard of in recent times that had trouble accessing medicines was Greece and that was directly because of the EU pushing the country to the edge of destructuon.
No, it wasn't.
It was (a) because more than half the drugs went out the back door and into the grey market and (b) hospital days payable were greater than 400 days and government instability meant the factoring market broke down
All of which h they coped with after a fashion until.they got to the point where they ran out of money and couldnt buy drugs.
A friend of mine who worked for SKB reckoned that at one time they supplied enough of one particular popular antibiotic to Greece to give every man, woman and child there a years treatment. At the time West European, never mind British, labelled product was almost never available.
Brexit has never happened before so predictions are pointless. In 2010 who predicted that within 7 years we would have record employment and incredibly low unemployment in this country. The country was on the precipice of disaster yet somehow we got through it and look where we are now. What happened during the financial crisis in 2008-2010 was a far bigger deal than Brexit will ever be. Remember the majority of our banks were insolvent. The human race has massive flaws but its ability to adapt and move on is one of its greatest strengths. The UK will be fine afetr Brexit.
Of course we will but much of what you say is inaccurate hyperbole.
The events of 2008-10 were beneficial to anyone with a secure job and a mortgage. Falling interest rates allowed anyone and everyone to pay off their debts - Mrs Stodge and I paid ours off and then re-borrowed £50k at 0.49% to renovate the house. and paid that off in term.
My wages haven't risen much but without the drag of the monthly mortgage payment we are much better off and that would be true for millions of home owners. The 2008 crash hit savers very hard (Conservative voters ?) and some jobs were lost but it wasn't like 1989-92 where the main pain was felt by mortgage payers through high interest rates leading to negative equity and was arguably more widely shared.
In terms of the public finances, the problem was on the income side of the balance sheet. Tax receipts collapsed as economic activity slowed but the expenditure which had been rising remorselessly since 1999 continued to climb quickly building the deficit and the debt.
In 2010 the Coalition came in and primarily looked to the expenditure side of the balance sheet to being the deficit under control. Was that right ? Should there have been more emphasis on stimulating the income side of the balance sheet and generating tax receipts ? I think so while others think the expenditure side reductions didn't go anywhere like far enough and because Cameron couldn't or wouldn't attack the high spending levels in the NHS and Education other areas of public expenditure suffered disproportionately large reductions.
Brexit has never happened before so predictions are pointless. In 2010 who predicted that within 7 years we would have record employment and incredibly low unemployment in this country. The country was on the precipice of disaster yet somehow we got through it and look where we are now. What happened during the financial crisis in 2008-2010 was a far bigger deal than Brexit will ever be. Remember the majority of our banks were insolvent. The human race has massive flaws but its ability to adapt and move on is one of its greatest strengths. The UK will be fine afetr Brexit.
Of course we will but much of what you say is inaccurate hyperbole.
The events of 2008-10 were beneficial to anyone with a secure job and a mortgage. Falling interest rates allowed anyone and everyone to pay off their debts - Mrs Stodge and I paid ours off and then re-borrowed £50k at 0.49% to renovate the house. and paid that off in term.
My wages haven't risen much but without the drag of the monthly mortgage payment we are much better off and that would be true for millions of home owners. The 2008 crash hit savers very hard (Conservative voters ?) and some jobs were lost but it wasn't like 1989-92 where the main pain was felt by mortgage payers through high interest rates leading to negative equity and was arguably more widely shared.
In terms of the public finances, the problem was on the income side of the balance sheet. Tax receipts collapsed as economic activity slowed but the expenditure which had been rising remorselessly since 1999 continued to climb quickly building the deficit and the debt.
In 2010 the Coalition came in and primarily looked to the expenditure side of the balance sheet to being the deficit under control. Was that right ? Should there have been more emphasis on stimulating the income side of the balance sheet and generating tax receipts ? I think so while others think the expenditure side reductions didn't go anywhere like far enough and because Cameron couldn't or wouldn't attack the high spending levels in the NHS and Education other areas of public expenditure suffered disproportionately large reductions.
Our banks were insolvent, the Giovernment had to bail them out, most economists consider it to be the worst financial crisis ever, I dont think what I put was hyperbole.
And it's as much bollocks as is was last time they did it 3 years ago. The NHS ranks highly on stuff like care equity but is 10th out of 11 on actually keeping people alive and making them better. Basically they treat everyone equally badly
It's like claiming Southern is the best rail service provider because they make everyone equally late .
How are you doing, Richard - all sorted on that issue?
No change at present. I have a rather personal investigation on Thursday which I keep jokingly referring to as a man in a wet suit with a Kodak. Hopefully they will work out what the score is and get some treatment going if necessary.
Good to hear that the process is underway.
Cheers sir and thanks again for your kind thoughts.
Off topic, I had a very disturbing email first thing this morning from a close friend of mine who is very senior in a pharmaceutical firm. He went to a small dinner last night and had people (colleagues) literally screaming at him demanding he justify his vote to Leave, which he admitted to.
He is one of the most decent and nicest people I know (think David Herdson or Nick Palmer levels of politeness) and isn't usually fazed, but is quite upset about it. It's really shaken him up.
It is getting quite nasty out there.
Maybe because the industry is under serious threat from Brexit
How are you doing, Richard - all sorted on that issue?
No change at present. I have a rather personal investigation on Thursday which I keep jokingly referring to as a man in a wet suit with a Kodak. Hopefully they will work out what the score is and get some treatment going if necessary.
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Then again, that's setting the bar pretty low.
https://twitter.com/bfmtv/status/885802840383512576
He thinks it's people acting in response to the ludicrous hyperbole as part of the lobbying effort, some of which is biblical in its pronouncements, and no less irresponsible than what Farage was accusing of doing with his posters prior to the vote.
Yes. We are well and truly "Mottram"ed Mr Eagles
Sounds like Tezza has already hired them.
Macron is committed to cutting state spending by around 3% of GDP - a kind of French austerity...
As far as Trump is concerned, Macron is almost Corbyn like in being able to have his cake and eat it. Domestically, the French appear quite happy that Trump is being played, and Trump seems happy he's being treated to ceremonial visits.
Win/win - for now.
You own Brexit, George runs a free sheet in London, he has no influence any more.
Do not worry, I am closing the business anyway.
Personally I think they are all rubbish and I don't have to vote for any of them.
I think we can agree it's a sad, sad situation - and it's getting more and more absurd....
It was (a) because more than half the drugs went out the back door and into the grey market and (b) hospital days payable were greater than 400 days and government instability meant the factoring market broke down
She may come to hate them immigrants less now that she relies on the one who lives in, but I'm not holding my breath.
As far as 'undermining' is concerned, if commenting on the ongoing clusterfuck counts, I'm quite happy to plead guilty.
Accepting the result of a democratic vote does not mean eschewing commentary on its consequences.
Yep. There was a lot of fuss made over GBPUSD falling 15c after the Brexit vote, but late 2008 it fell 60c.
There are six BILLION people out there whom you don't depend on for affection and partnership. Convert them all first and keep your family and friends for the last. Like Fox's family, just talk about other stuff.
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Cameron follows the constructive approach. Osborne sadly does not.
Trouble was Big Pharma co-operated with the scam.
The events of 2008-10 were beneficial to anyone with a secure job and a mortgage. Falling interest rates allowed anyone and everyone to pay off their debts - Mrs Stodge and I paid ours off and then re-borrowed £50k at 0.49% to renovate the house. and paid that off in term.
My wages haven't risen much but without the drag of the monthly mortgage payment we are much better off and that would be true for millions of home owners. The 2008 crash hit savers very hard (Conservative voters ?) and some jobs were lost but it wasn't like 1989-92 where the main pain was felt by mortgage payers through high interest rates leading to negative equity and was arguably more widely shared.
In terms of the public finances, the problem was on the income side of the balance sheet. Tax receipts collapsed as economic activity slowed but the expenditure which had been rising remorselessly since 1999 continued to climb quickly building the deficit and the debt.
In 2010 the Coalition came in and primarily looked to the expenditure side of the balance sheet to being the deficit under control. Was that right ? Should there have been more emphasis on stimulating the income side of the balance sheet and generating tax receipts ? I think so while others think the expenditure side reductions didn't go anywhere like far enough and because Cameron couldn't or wouldn't attack the high spending levels in the NHS and Education other areas of public expenditure suffered disproportionately large reductions.