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Gosh. Look how far Boris Johnson is down the ranking for Tory activists pic.twitter.com/ZpaDVZvczP

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    First .... again!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    Second! Like Corbyn.....
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    Surprised at these rankings. Con activists seem to be very anti-remainer... Except for Ruth.
    Feels harsh that Phil is so low down. I also thought Boris was popular with activists... Perhaps not. Or perhaps there are a decent bunch that won't vote for him.

    Any of Fallon, Patel or Fox would be a total disaster IMO... Hopefully there is a difference between approval and backing them for PM. Really we need a poll of their preferred choice.

    It's pretty likely that party members will pick the next PM!
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    I suspect she sees her role for the next few years as ensuring Scottish Nationalism really is killed stone dead and that can only be achieved in Holyrood and not Westminster

    Yep. Preserving a 300 year old Union - with plenty of life left in it yet - is by far the most important political project the country faces.
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    Personally I don't give Boris a cat in hell's chance of becoming the next Tory Leader, or indeed Leader on any future occasion. Following his earlier car crash interview with Eddie Mair, this more recent grilling, following the Queen's Speech, shows him to be incompetent in terms of defending the Government's position in a number of key areas. Admittedly he is not helped by Theresa May's vagueness in failing to set out any specific or coherent policies relating thereto:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqz6H0Crbm8
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    peter_from_putneypeter_from_putney Posts: 6,875
    edited July 2017
    Although something of a long shot at 66/1 (with SkyBet and Betway), I tend to agree with TSE that Jeremy Hunt represents far better value than Boris to succeed May as the next Tory leader. I've therefore had a crisp bendy plastic fiver on such an eventuality.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Although something of a long shot at 66/1 (with SkyBet and Betway), I tend to agree with TSE that Jeremy Hunt represents far better value than Boris to succeed May as the next Tory leader. I've therefore had a crisp bendy plastic fiver on such an eventuality.

    Jeremy Hunt? He certainly showed the junior hospital doctors who is in charge. In unrelated news, patients are left to suffer as operations are rationed.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40485724
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    Although something of a long shot at 66/1 (with SkyBet and Betway), I tend to agree with TSE that Jeremy Hunt represents far better value than Boris to succeed May as the next Tory leader. I've therefore had a crisp bendy plastic fiver on such an eventuality.

    Jeremy Hunt? He certainly showed the junior hospital doctors who is in charge. In unrelated news, patients are left to suffer as operations are rationed.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40485724
    Patients have had to wait pretty much since the inception of the NHS. There's nothing new there.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    What evidence is there that the people surveyed on Con Home are actually party members?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,060
    I fear the Grenfell survivors are being poorly advised by some of the people pretending to help them, and from conversations I've had outside here, might be somewhat losing sympathy amongst the public.

    The "They should give us the houses we want" attitude is ridiculous, as are demands for permanent homes immediately.
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    DecrepitJohnL - Apropos of absolutely nothing at all, I couldn't help but notice that we exactly match each other in terms of the number of posts on PB.com!
    Have we ever been seen together in the same room I wonder?
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,060

    What evidence is there that the people surveyed on Con Home are actually party members?
    I've asked this before on here. It appears that there is very little, and I remain to be convinced that ConHme surveys are little more than voodoo.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    I fear the Grenfell survivors are being poorly advised by some of the people pretending to help them, and from conversations I've had outside here, might be somewhat losing sympathy amongst the public.

    The "They should give us the houses we want" attitude is ridiculous, as are demands for permanent homes immediately.

    Frankly one despairs of the attempted trashing of the judge before the enquiry has started. The local MP(and others) was a disgrace when I heard her being interviewed on the radio.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,370
    edited July 2017
    Seventh like Boris.

    The BBC drama doc on the last Tory leadership did Boris no favours.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Although something of a long shot at 66/1 (with SkyBet and Betway), I tend to agree with TSE that Jeremy Hunt represents far better value than Boris to succeed May as the next Tory leader. I've therefore had a crisp bendy plastic fiver on such an eventuality.

    Jeremy Hunt? He certainly showed the junior hospital doctors who is in charge. In unrelated news, patients are left to suffer as operations are rationed.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40485724
    Patients have had to wait pretty much since the inception of the NHS. There's nothing new there.
    What is new is that delays are getting worse. Why it matters in political (as opposed to humane) terms is that patients notice. Patients know when they are waiting for an operation, and so do their families and so do their friends, all of whom vote. For next leader betting, it suggests Hunt is no superstar or even a competent manager. Mind you, we said the same about Theresa May's six years of pointless seat-warming at the Home Office, and she still got the gig.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,957
    Boris is Foreign Secretary - the UK's face to the world. He is laughed at and disdained in equal measure. No-one at home or abroad takes him seriously. That May chooses to keep him in that role despite the active harm it does to the UK's interests shows that he has a level of support inside the Conservative party that will make him a serious contender for her job when she eventually tires of her humiliating emasculation and steps down. It also shows just how utterly bereft of talent the Tories currently are.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785

    It also shows just how utterly bereft of talent the Tories currently are.

    Corbyn completed his reshuffle?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    IanB2 said:

    Seventh like Boris.

    The BBC drama doc on the last Tory leadership did Boris no favours.

    Funnily enough I thought the candidate who came best out of that was Leadsome.....Gove was a toy for his SPADS and May a sphinx....... fascinating viewing.....
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    Richard_HRichard_H Posts: 48
    Boris Johnson will be Tory leader/PM by the Tory conference in October 2017.

    I am no fan, but i think Boris will charm enough Tories to support him, as he will remind them he was a popular London Mayor and the Tories need to do better in London if they want to win a future majority. Also he has the energy and skills to negotiate Brexit with the EU, on a basis that a majority of the British people will accept.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    Goodwin paper on GE2017:

    The outcome of the 2017 general election – a hung parliament - defied predictions. In this article, we draw on aggregate-level data to conduct an initial exploration of the vote. What was the impact of Brexit on the 2017 general election result? What difference did the collapse of Ukip make? And what was the relative importance of factors such as turnout, education, age, and ethnic diversity on support for the two main parties? First, we find that turnout was generally higher in more pro-Remain areas, and places with high concentrations of young people, ethnic minorities, and university graduates. Second, we find that the Conservatives made gains in the sort of places that had previously backed Brexit and previously voted for Ukip. But, third, we find that the gains the Conservatives made from the electoral decline of Ukip were off-set by losses in the sort of places that had previously supported the Conservatives, particularly areas in southern England with larger numbers of graduates. The implication of these findings is that while a Brexit effect contributed to a ‘realignment on the right’, with the Conservative strategy appealing to people in places that had previously voted for Ukip, this strategy was not without an electoral cost, and appears to have hurt the party in more middle class areas.

    http://www.matthewjgoodwin.org/uploads/6/4/0/2/64026337/goodwin-heath-26-06-17.pdf
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    Boris is Foreign Secretary - the UK's face to the world. He is laughed at and disdained in equal measure. No-one at home or abroad takes him seriously. That May chooses to keep him in that role despite the active harm it does to the UK's interests shows that he has a level of support inside the Conservative party that will make him a serious contender for her job when she eventually tires of her humiliating emasculation and steps down. It also shows just how utterly bereft of talent the Tories currently are.

    Do you think you could try to make at least one positive comment about something at least once a week?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,957

    It also shows just how utterly bereft of talent the Tories currently are.

    Corbyn completed his reshuffle?

    The winner of the Non-Sequiter Cup still unbeatable, I see :-)

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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    IanB2 said:

    Seventh like Boris.

    The BBC drama doc on the last Tory leadership did Boris no favours.

    Boris does Boris no favours. As the only Conservative to be elected Mayor of London, twice, he is a proven vote-winner. After this year's election result, he should, as such, be a shoe-in.

    But he is lazy and arrogant and it shows whenever he is interviewed and relies on jokes and bluster to cover up ignorance of his brief. Cameron was sometimes as bad, like the bright student who floats effortlessly by on last-minute revision, but with Boris it is every single time. And buy clothes that fit -- spend some of the book royalties in Savile Row -- if Jeremy Corbyn can do it, so can Boris.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,060

    Although something of a long shot at 66/1 (with SkyBet and Betway), I tend to agree with TSE that Jeremy Hunt represents far better value than Boris to succeed May as the next Tory leader. I've therefore had a crisp bendy plastic fiver on such an eventuality.

    Jeremy Hunt? He certainly showed the junior hospital doctors who is in charge. In unrelated news, patients are left to suffer as operations are rationed.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-40485724
    Patients have had to wait pretty much since the inception of the NHS. There's nothing new there.
    What is new is that delays are getting worse. Why it matters in political (as opposed to humane) terms is that patients notice. Patients know when they are waiting for an operation, and so do their families and so do their friends, all of whom vote. For next leader betting, it suggests Hunt is no superstar or even a competent manager. Mind you, we said the same about Theresa May's six years of pointless seat-warming at the Home Office, and she still got the gig.
    "it suggests Hunt is no superstar or even a competent manager"

    That would be a false conclusion. He might be doing a very good job of managing an NHS that has an unsustainable thirst for money; someone else might do a much worse job even with more money.

    Although goodness knows why anyone would trust the NHS to a Labour party that puts the reputation of the NHS above patient care.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    DecrepitJohnL - Apropos of absolutely nothing at all, I couldn't help but notice that we exactly match each other in terms of the number of posts on PB.com!
    Have we ever been seen together in the same room I wonder?

    Perhaps there is a table of pb twins: posters matched by productivity.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785

    It also shows just how utterly bereft of talent the Tories currently are.

    Corbyn completed his reshuffle?

    The winner of the Non-Sequiter Cup still unbeatable, I see :-)
    Still can't find the wood?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,957
    edited July 2017

    IanB2 said:

    Seventh like Boris.

    The BBC drama doc on the last Tory leadership did Boris no favours.

    Boris does Boris no favours. As the only Conservative to be elected Mayor of London, twice, he is a proven vote-winner. After this year's election result, he should, as such, be a shoe-in.

    But he is lazy and arrogant and it shows whenever he is interviewed and relies on jokes and bluster to cover up ignorance of his brief. Cameron was sometimes as bad, like the bright student who floats effortlessly by on last-minute revision, but with Boris it is every single time. And buy clothes that fit -- spend some of the book royalties in Savile Row -- if Jeremy Corbyn can do it, so can Boris.

    The Tories who cite Boris winning in London as proof of his electability remind me very much of the Labour leftists who believe 40% of British voters made a positive decision to back socialism on 8th June. They forget what the alternative was.

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    freetochoosefreetochoose Posts: 1,107
    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN19P17D

    Juncker sums up one of the many reasons why I voted to Leave
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,957

    Boris is Foreign Secretary - the UK's face to the world. He is laughed at and disdained in equal measure. No-one at home or abroad takes him seriously. That May chooses to keep him in that role despite the active harm it does to the UK's interests shows that he has a level of support inside the Conservative party that will make him a serious contender for her job when she eventually tires of her humiliating emasculation and steps down. It also shows just how utterly bereft of talent the Tories currently are.

    Do you think you could try to make at least one positive comment about something at least once a week?

    I see the Tories' lack of talent as extremely positive.

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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    ... And [Boris should] buy clothes that fit -- spend some of the book royalties in Savile Row -- if Jeremy Corbyn can do it, so can Boris.

    Talking of Corbyn's unexpected sartorial elegance during GE2017, has there been an inside account of Labour's campaign? Its professionalism took pundits and Conservatives by surprise -- more than a few Labour members as well.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    edited July 2017

    IanB2 said:

    Seventh like Boris.

    The BBC drama doc on the last Tory leadership did Boris no favours.

    Funnily enough I thought the candidate who came best out of that was Leadsome.....Gove was a toy for his SPADS and May a sphinx....... fascinating viewing.....
    There was an Osborne-shaped hole in the drama doc. He later said he had fumbled the ball, which I took, perhaps wrongly, to mean he encouraged Gove to knife Boris, but it shows he was involved somehow.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052

    What evidence is there that the people surveyed on Con Home are actually party members?
    My understating is that most of them are up to date with their UKIP subs.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,060

    ... And [Boris should] buy clothes that fit -- spend some of the book royalties in Savile Row -- if Jeremy Corbyn can do it, so can Boris.

    Talking of Corbyn's unexpected sartorial elegance during GE2017, has there been an inside account of Labour's campaign? Its professionalism took pundits and Conservatives by surprise -- more than a few Labour members as well.
    A campaign that had Diane Abbott in it? Professional?

    Labour's campaign was utterly unprofessional, perhaps more so than the Conservatives. But Corbyn's Labour were not selling competence and professionalism: they were selling dreams.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    Goodwin:

    The 2017 general election was called by Theresa May in the hope of securing a strong mandate both for her premiership and her vision of Brexit. The election was a gamble, with May and her team essentially placing the opposite bet to that which had been placed by Tony Blair and New Labour more than twenty years earlier. Whereas Blair and Co. had gambled that they could retain support from their traditional blue-collar and socially conservative workers while reaching into the more liberal, urban and university-educated middle-classes, May and her team gambled that they could retain support from the more middle-class and pro-Remain wing of the Conservative Party while reaching into the more pro-Brexit, left behind and Labour areas of the country.

    Our analysis of the results, at the aggregate-level, has revealed the factors that combined to ensure that this gamble would – ultimately - lose.

    May’s strategy and a retro manifesto, which had included calls to restore fox hunting alongside strong support for a hard Brexit and grammar schools, did win considerable support from the key social groups they had been directed toward. Our analysis provides evidence that the Conservatives gained in more economically left behind, heavily white and older areas that had previously given disproportionately strong support to Nigel Farage and UKIP. But this narrow strategy also came with costs and was much less popular in more high skilled areas that in 2015 had given lower support to UKIP but had still turned out for the Conservatives.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    On the basis of this poll if May steps down while the Brexit negotiations are going on then Davis will be next Tory leader no question as Tory members will prioritise being able to deal with the EU above all. If however May steps down later as is now likely then Boris has a chance as winning a general election will be the main factor and his charisma will help on that score and the fact he is now moving away from backing more austerity shows he is clearly positioning himself again as a populist election winner (while mid table here Boris still beats potential leadership contendors like Hammond, Hunt, Leadsom and Javid with the membership). Davidson would also have a strong chance but as TSE states her focus is beating the SNP in Scotland
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,370
    Richard_H said:

    Boris Johnson will be Tory leader/PM by the Tory conference in October 2017.

    I am no fan, but i think Boris will charm enough Tories to support him, as he will remind them he was a popular London Mayor and the Tories need to do better in London if they want to win a future majority. Also he has the energy and skills to negotiate Brexit with the EU, on a basis that a majority of the British people will accept.

    I see no evidence that Boris has any negotiating skills whatsoever.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115

    What evidence is there that the people surveyed on Con Home are actually party members?
    Every Con Home poll asks participants that question to ensure representative results and the 2005 Tory leadership Con Home poll got the result spot on
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,370

    What evidence is there that the people surveyed on Con Home are actually party members?
    Who else would admit to it?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,360
    Whilst having suspicions about its voodoo nature this poll shows once again what the Tories like is a winner. Being a winner is far more important than being a Leaver or a Remainer, a wet or a dry, a hard or soft Brexiteer, straight or gay, socially liberal or conservative.

    Which is fair enough. The Tory party's historic roll is to provide this country with as competent government as the political class are capable of in a pragmatic kind of way adopting slowly to the ethos of the times. It is really when the Tories start getting ideological either about the economy or the EU that they run into problems. There is enough of that sort of nonsense in the Labour party for when the country thinks a change is required.

    The problem the Tories have at the moment, and it is indeed a serious one, is that there are very few, if any, perceived winners in Westminster. Hence Ruth's popularity. Boris used to have that reputation because he twice won "Labour" London and he also won the Leave vote but at the moment the sheen is off. But if another perceived winner in Westminster does not emerge his star will rise again.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785

    IanB2 said:

    Seventh like Boris.

    The BBC drama doc on the last Tory leadership did Boris no favours.

    Funnily enough I thought the candidate who came best out of that was Leadsome.....Gove was a toy for his SPADS and May a sphinx....... fascinating viewing.....
    There was an Osborne-shaped hole in the drama doc. He later said he had fumbled the ball, which I took, perhaps wrongly, to mean he encouraged Gove to knife Boris, but it shows he was involved somehow.
    There was an intriguing suggestion that Gavin Williamson demanded someone (Osborne?)'s head before he would come on Team Theresa - we never heard who it was, or whether May agreed - but the inference was there.....
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785

    Boris is Foreign Secretary - the UK's face to the world. He is laughed at and disdained in equal measure. No-one at home or abroad takes him seriously. That May chooses to keep him in that role despite the active harm it does to the UK's interests shows that he has a level of support inside the Conservative party that will make him a serious contender for her job when she eventually tires of her humiliating emasculation and steps down. It also shows just how utterly bereft of talent the Tories currently are.

    Do you think you could try to make at least one positive comment about something at least once a week?

    I see the Tories' lack of talent as extremely positive.

    Exceeded only by Labour's......
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095

    Boris is Foreign Secretary - the UK's face to the world. He is laughed at and disdained in equal measure. No-one at home or abroad takes him seriously. That May chooses to keep him in that role despite the active harm it does to the UK's interests shows that he has a level of support inside the Conservative party that will make him a serious contender for her job when she eventually tires of her humiliating emasculation and steps down. It also shows just how utterly bereft of talent the Tories currently are.

    Do you think you could try to make at least one positive comment about something at least once a week?

    I see the Tories' lack of talent as extremely positive.

    So you view that something that you perceive must by any sane view be bad for the country as good. An interesting view
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN19P17D

    Juncker sums up one of the many reasons why I voted to Leave

    Apparently he made the comment because he is a "passionate politician"

    Not because he is a puffed up self-important person who was upset no one was interested in what he had to say
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,957

    Boris is Foreign Secretary - the UK's face to the world. He is laughed at and disdained in equal measure. No-one at home or abroad takes him seriously. That May chooses to keep him in that role despite the active harm it does to the UK's interests shows that he has a level of support inside the Conservative party that will make him a serious contender for her job when she eventually tires of her humiliating emasculation and steps down. It also shows just how utterly bereft of talent the Tories currently are.

    Do you think you could try to make at least one positive comment about something at least once a week?

    I see the Tories' lack of talent as extremely positive.

    Exceeded only by Labour's......

    I used to think that. But it's a very hard one to argue nowadays - even though Jeremy Corbyn chooses to overlook a lot of what is available to him.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,360
    Interesting story on the BBC no less: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40496569

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    talltexantalltexan Posts: 2
    REALITY CHECK: The DUP-CON alliance will allow Theresa May to last to the end of the brexit negotiations, if not the full 5 years. The CONS are not willing to have another leadership contest in the short term. When it happens the winner will be either Davis, Hammond, or Johnson, no one with any common sense takes the CON reigns now!
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    swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,435
    Boris Johnson has peaked, his appointment as Foreign Secretary although embarassing at the time dealt him a hand he was incapable of playing. The Eton bluffer has been well and truly found out, his popularity as London Mayor has been long forgotten and he is not credible to many voters, a bad election campaign and a Tory civil war means he is not able to sit on the sidelines and is implicated in the BREXIT promises. My theory that we are waiting for the next John Major (grey, safe but capable on camera) seems to fit, but Europe is likely to wreck the next leader if not two of the Tories.

    Ruth D has not been tested at a high enough level and I am not sure she is the solution. Scots Tories (Rifkind for example) have always been seen as a bit exotic - like Pandas, and the patrician nature of the tories means I think she is a leader who is a bit too "modern" for most Tory members. So I am looking to back an unknown but there are so many of them, a new face I reckon
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,957

    Boris is Foreign Secretary - the UK's face to the world. He is laughed at and disdained in equal measure. No-one at home or abroad takes him seriously. That May chooses to keep him in that role despite the active harm it does to the UK's interests shows that he has a level of support inside the Conservative party that will make him a serious contender for her job when she eventually tires of her humiliating emasculation and steps down. It also shows just how utterly bereft of talent the Tories currently are.

    Do you think you could try to make at least one positive comment about something at least once a week?

    I see the Tories' lack of talent as extremely positive.

    So you view that something that you perceive must by any sane view be bad for the country as good. An interesting view

    Not really. A lack of Tory talent has made a cliff-edge Brexit much less likely. That is excellent news for the country. If May and co had been any good they would now have a big majority and a mandate to walk out of the EU with no deal.

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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    Charles said:

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN19P17D

    Juncker sums up one of the many reasons why I voted to Leave

    Apparently he made the comment because he is a "passionate politician"

    Not because he is a puffed up self-important person who was upset no one was interested in what he had to say
    Is passionate a euphemism for pissed?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    DavidL said:

    Interesting story on the BBC no less: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40496569

    Excellent news.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,360
    Charles said:

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN19P17D

    Juncker sums up one of the many reasons why I voted to Leave

    Apparently he made the comment because he is a "passionate politician"

    Not because he is a puffed up self-important person who was upset no one was interested in what he had to say
    In fairness I actually agree with him on this occasion. The European Parliament is indeed a completely ridiculous organisation whose sole purpose is to put a patina of democracy on undemocratic institutions. The fact that it is incapable of doing that with any credibility tells its own story.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    DavidL said:

    Interesting story on the BBC no less: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40496569

    Great news. Even better if the venture capital is British and we are not, once again, selling off the crown jewels to American (or any other foreign) speculators, to whom future dividends will flow.
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    swing_voterswing_voter Posts: 1,435
    The european parliament is exactly what UK voters wanted, it does not interfere in domestic affairs. but at an international level has done great work on human rights, environmental protection and international development. looks pretty credible to me.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,957
    DavidL said:

    Interesting story on the BBC no less: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40496569

    That is good news, but only seamless access to talent will ensure it continues. London has to remain a magnet for Europe's best. That means making it as easy as possible to go there and find work. Any brake on that will cause significant harm quickly - especially at the start-up end of the spectrum where cash is exceedingly tight.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,360

    DavidL said:

    Interesting story on the BBC no less: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40496569

    Great news. Even better if the venture capital is British and we are not, once again, selling off the crown jewels to American (or any other foreign) speculators, to whom future dividends will flow.
    I fear that a fair bit of the money will be the profits of US techs which they are currently unable to repatriate without having to pay that nasty tax thingie and which is earning very little as cash. But if it gives UK based companies the seed capital to grow worse things could happen.

    The development of the same sort of deep pool of talent that we see in financial services seems to me more important than ultimate ownership.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,002
    Good morning, everyone.

    Good spot, Mr. Eagles, although this does make me a bit glum about Hammond's prospects. That said, starting from a low base can mean you're underestimated by your hubris-ridden opponents who simply assume you'll fail.

    But I'm sure the Conservatives would never make that mistake.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Boris Johnson has peaked, his appointment as Foreign Secretary although embarassing at the time dealt him a hand he was incapable of playing. The Eton bluffer has been well and truly found out, his popularity as London Mayor has been long forgotten and he is not credible to many voters, a bad election campaign and a Tory civil war means he is not able to sit on the sidelines and is implicated in the BREXIT promises. My theory that we are waiting for the next John Major (grey, safe but capable on camera) seems to fit, but Europe is likely to wreck the next leader if not two of the Tories.

    Ruth D has not been tested at a high enough level and I am not sure she is the solution. Scots Tories (Rifkind for example) have always been seen as a bit exotic - like Pandas, and the patrician nature of the tories means I think she is a leader who is a bit too "modern" for most Tory members. So I am looking to back an unknown but there are so many of them, a new face I reckon

    You are one leadership election too late. Theresa May is the John Major candidate: a dull but safe pair of hands, holder of one of the great offices of state, and with long campaigning experience from her days as a local councillor.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,957
    To my English eyes Davidson seems much more a Unionist than a Conservative.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785


    But I'm sure the Conservatives would never make that mistake.

    Twice......
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052

    DavidL said:

    Interesting story on the BBC no less: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40496569

    Great news. Even better if the venture capital is British and we are not, once again, selling off the crown jewels to American (or any other foreign) speculators, to whom future dividends will flow.
    I would differentiate between VC and PE firms. In the former case, they take (hopefully) high growth, relatively early stage, unprofitable businesses and supply them with the capital they need to grow. In the latter case, they often add massive amounts to existing profitable businesses and then switch off the investment tap to ensure that the PE owners can extract dividends.

    If it's any consolation, PE firms have messed up the US economy worse than the UK one. (Although there's still time.)
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,957
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Interesting story on the BBC no less: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40496569

    Great news. Even better if the venture capital is British and we are not, once again, selling off the crown jewels to American (or any other foreign) speculators, to whom future dividends will flow.
    I fear that a fair bit of the money will be the profits of US techs which they are currently unable to repatriate without having to pay that nasty tax thingie and which is earning very little as cash. But if it gives UK based companies the seed capital to grow worse things could happen.

    The development of the same sort of deep pool of talent that we see in financial services seems to me more important than ultimate ownership.

    London attracts Europe's top tech talent. Brilliant programmers can come here and find work immediately. And they can come here in that way because we are in the single market. Once freedom of movement ends, the challenge will be to ensure this flow continues uninterrupted.

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    alex.alex. Posts: 4,658
    What did Patrick McLoughlin do wrong?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,559
    edited July 2017
    alex. said:

    What did Patrick McLoughlin do wrong?

    Ran the worst Tory general election campaign in living memory, if not history.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785
    edited July 2017
    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Davis leads our survey – but is outscored by “none of the above”

    No appetite for urgent change....

    Also....

    there was no big write-in for Ruth Davidson, a development we were keeping an eye open for.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,907
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKBN19P17D

    Juncker sums up one of the many reasons why I voted to Leave

    Apparently he made the comment because he is a "passionate politician"

    Not because he is a puffed up self-important person who was upset no one was interested in what he had to say
    Is passionate a euphemism for pissed?
    Half cut, at any rate.
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    EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,956

    The european parliament is exactly what UK voters wanted, it does not interfere in domestic affairs. but at an international level has done great work on human rights, environmental protection and international development. looks pretty credible to me.

    It's the way you tell 'em.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    I would take all these leadership polls with a large pinch of salt. There are two likely routes to a leadership contest, and neither of them are favours the current front runners.

    The first is that Mrs May navigates the way through Brexit with the economy continuing on an even keel. If this happens, then 2019 is the earliest leadership election date, and she probably has the choice of when to step down. (Which could well mean 2020 or 2021 or not before the next election at all.) In which case, none of the current front runners will likely be in with a chance. (Davis and Hammond will be too old. Boris or Rudd are still a possibility I guess.)

    The second is that we have a Brexit car crash, by which I mean either the economy falls over or Mrs May has a deal that she cannot get through the House of Commons. In either of these cases, the government falls and - like in 1979 - there is no time to change horses mid-apocalypse. In which case, the next leader will likely be picked from opposition, and will be someone untainted by the 2017 parliament.

    I would simply lay all the favourites as time will cause their stars to fade.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Davis leads our survey – but is outscored by “none of the above”

    No appetite for urgent change....

    Also....

    there was no big write-in for Ruth Davidson, a development we were keeping an eye open for.
    Davidson is no longer an MP but Davis will almost certainly be Tory leader while Brexit talks are ongoing if May departs early but Boris is a strong contender if those are finished and winning the next general election is key
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    NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,359
    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Interestingly different from the satisfaction poll as people focus on who they actually want to lead. Looks like Davis's to lose at the moment, but he's clearly at risk of the Brexit talks running into trouble. Boris presumably does better here because he retains a fan club even though there are lots of critics - I suspect the satisfaction survey has him with the highest dissatsfied rating but also a fairly high satisfaction one.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Didn't they use to call ConHome KipperHome though? It might not be representative of the activist base
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    freetochoosefreetochoose Posts: 1,107

    The european parliament is exactly what UK voters wanted, it does not interfere in domestic affairs. but at an international level has done great work on human rights, environmental protection and international development. looks pretty credible to me.

    Actually what UK voters wanted was to not be a part of it.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    edited July 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    I would take all these leadership polls with a large pinch of salt. There are two likely routes to a leadership contest, and neither of them are favours the current front runners.

    The first is that Mrs May navigates the way through Brexit with the economy continuing on an even keel. If this happens, then 2019 is the earliest leadership election date, and she probably has the choice of when to step down. (Which could well mean 2020 or 2021 or not before the next election at all.) In which case, none of the current front runners will likely be in with a chance. (Davis and Hammond will be too old. Boris or Rudd are still a possibility I guess.)

    The second is that we have a Brexit car crash, by which I mean either the economy falls over or Mrs May has a deal that she cannot get through the House of Commons. In either of these cases, the government falls and - like in 1979 - there is no time to change horses mid-apocalypse. In which case, the next leader will likely be picked from opposition, and will be someone untainted by the 2017 parliament.

    I would simply lay all the favourites as time will cause their stars to fade.

    In the latter scenario if May loses a snap election post Brexit to Corbyn with Patel 3rd in the new Tory members poll I would expect a PM Jeremy Corbyn to be facing a Leader of the Opposition Priti Patel to be a very likely scenario (centrists better find a big sofa to hide behind)
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,127

    To my English eyes Davidson seems much more a Unionist than a Conservative.

    Indeed.

    And a Unionist who is opposing an exhausted Nat government.

    I suspect Davidson would rather struggle if she had to put forward constructive policies of her own and explain how they were to be paid for.
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    not_on_firenot_on_fire Posts: 4,341
    edited July 2017
    Boris is loathed in London now due to his role in the Leave campaign. He would never win the Mayoralty if an election was held today and I highly doubt he would help the Tories recover in London.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,294
    HYUFD said:

    rcs1000 said:

    I would take all these leadership polls with a large pinch of salt. There are two likely routes to a leadership contest, and neither of them are favours the current front runners.

    The first is that Mrs May navigates the way through Brexit with the economy continuing on an even keel. If this happens, then 2019 is the earliest leadership election date, and she probably has the choice of when to step down. (Which could well mean 2020 or 2021 or not before the next election at all.) In which case, none of the current front runners will likely be in with a chance. (Davis and Hammond will be too old. Boris or Rudd are still a possibility I guess.)

    The second is that we have a Brexit car crash, by which I mean either the economy falls over or Mrs May has a deal that she cannot get through the House of Commons. In either of these cases, the government falls and - like in 1979 - there is no time to change horses mid-apocalypse. In which case, the next leader will likely be picked from opposition, and will be someone untainted by the 2017 parliament.

    I would simply lay all the favourites as time will cause their stars to fade.

    In the latter scenario if May loses a snap election post Brexit to Corbyn with Patel 3rd in the new Tory members pill I would expect a PM Jeremy Corbyn to be facing a Leader of the Opposition Priti Patel to be a very likely scenario (centrists better find a big sofa to hide behind)
    I was already in a low mood when I woke up. You've only worsened it :-)
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,127
    rcs1000 said:

    I would take all these leadership polls with a large pinch of salt. There are two likely routes to a leadership contest, and neither of them are favours the current front runners.

    The first is that Mrs May navigates the way through Brexit with the economy continuing on an even keel. If this happens, then 2019 is the earliest leadership election date, and she probably has the choice of when to step down. (Which could well mean 2020 or 2021 or not before the next election at all.) In which case, none of the current front runners will likely be in with a chance. (Davis and Hammond will be too old. Boris or Rudd are still a possibility I guess.)

    The second is that we have a Brexit car crash, by which I mean either the economy falls over or Mrs May has a deal that she cannot get through the House of Commons. In either of these cases, the government falls and - like in 1979 - there is no time to change horses mid-apocalypse. In which case, the next leader will likely be picked from opposition, and will be someone untainted by the 2017 parliament.

    I would simply lay all the favourites as time will cause their stars to fade.

    Lay the favourites tends to be value in uncertain times.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052
    edited July 2017
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Davis leads our survey – but is outscored by “none of the above”

    No appetite for urgent change....

    Also....

    there was no big write-in for Ruth Davidson, a development we were keeping an eye open for.
    Davidson is no longer an MP but Davis will almost certainly be Tory leader while Brexit talks are ongoing if May departs early but Boris is a strong contender if those are finished and winning the next general election is key
    Was she ever an MP?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,294

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Interestingly different from the satisfaction poll as people focus on who they actually want to lead. Looks like Davis's to lose at the moment, but he's clearly at risk of the Brexit talks running into trouble. Boris presumably does better here because he retains a fan club even though there are lots of critics - I suspect the satisfaction survey has him with the highest dissatsfied rating but also a fairly high satisfaction one.
    Hunt nowhere in these polls. Bit worrying for those of us who are on him at between 40-100.

    A lot could change.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,052

    To my English eyes Davidson seems much more a Unionist than a Conservative.

    Indeed.

    And a Unionist who is opposing an exhausted Nat government.

    I suspect Davidson would rather struggle if she had to put forward constructive policies of her own and explain how they were to be paid for.
    Why would she want to put up constructive policies of her own? If I were in her shoes, I'd snipe. There's much more mileage in it.
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    The european parliament is exactly what UK voters wanted, it does not interfere in domestic affairs. but at an international level has done great work on human rights, environmental protection and international development. looks pretty credible to me.

    Actually what UK voters wanted was to not be a part of it.
    What they wanted was more money for the NHS.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Didn't they use to call ConHome KipperHome though? It might not be representative of the activist base
    Con Home got the 2005 Tory leadership election spot on
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,294
    edited July 2017
    PClipp said:

    The european parliament is exactly what UK voters wanted, it does not interfere in domestic affairs. but at an international level has done great work on human rights, environmental protection and international development. looks pretty credible to me.

    Actually what UK voters wanted was to not be a part of it.
    What they wanted was more money for the NHS.
    Where on earth does the idea that the european parliament was/is what UK voters want come from?

    The turn-outs for MEPs elections were always poor.

    And I speak as a die-hard Remainer.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,785

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Interestingly different from the satisfaction poll as people focus on who they actually want to lead. Looks like Davis's to lose at the moment, but he's clearly at risk of the Brexit talks running into trouble. Boris presumably does better here because he retains a fan club even though there are lots of critics - I suspect the satisfaction survey has him with the highest dissatsfied rating but also a fairly high satisfaction one.
    A lot could will change.
    Fixed it for ye......
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,294
    edited July 2017
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Davis leads our survey – but is outscored by “none of the above”

    No appetite for urgent change....

    Also....

    there was no big write-in for Ruth Davidson, a development we were keeping an eye open for.
    Davidson is no longer an MP but Davis will almost certainly be Tory leader while Brexit talks are ongoing if May departs early but Boris is a strong contender if those are finished and winning the next general election is key
    Was she ever an MP?
    If Davis becomes PM - then, when was there last a Northern-born and bred Tory PM?

    Edit: And no, I don't consider Grantham is the North.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Interestingly different from the satisfaction poll as people focus on who they actually want to lead. Looks like Davis's to lose at the moment, but he's clearly at risk of the Brexit talks running into trouble. Boris presumably does better here because he retains a fan club even though there are lots of critics - I suspect the satisfaction survey has him with the highest dissatsfied rating but also a fairly high satisfaction one.
    Yes Davis is clearly favourite, Boris is the marmite candidate but still in with a shout
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,902
    Which rat in the sack to back?

    Gove best placed in my opinion. Has the infinite ambition, he is always likely to stand and Tories like people they perceive to be a bit of a shit.

    Personally I think Jo Johnson is an interesting outside choice. The Ed Milliband of the Tory party?
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,115
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Davis leads our survey – but is outscored by “none of the above”

    No appetite for urgent change....

    Also....

    there was no big write-in for Ruth Davidson, a development we were keeping an eye open for.
    Davidson is no longer an MP but Davis will almost certainly be Tory leader while Brexit talks are ongoing if May departs early but Boris is a strong contender if those are finished and winning the next general election is key
    Was she ever an MP?
    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Davis leads our survey – but is outscored by “none of the above”

    No appetite for urgent change....

    Also....

    there was no big write-in for Ruth Davidson, a development we were keeping an eye open for.
    Davidson is no longer an MP but Davis will almost certainly be Tory leader while Brexit talks are ongoing if May departs early but Boris is a strong contender if those are finished and winning the next general election is key
    Was she ever an MP?
    No she has only ever been an MSP you are right
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Davis leads our survey – but is outscored by “none of the above”

    No appetite for urgent change....

    Also....

    there was no big write-in for Ruth Davidson, a development we were keeping an eye open for.
    Davidson is no longer an MP but Davis will almost certainly be Tory leader while Brexit talks are ongoing if May departs early but Boris is a strong contender if those are finished and winning the next general election is key
    Was she ever an MP?
    If Davis becomes PM - then, when was there last a Northern-born and bred Tory PM?

    Edit: And no, I don't consider Grantham is the North.
    As any prime minister with a geography degree could tell you, Grantham is halfway to Scotland.
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    freetochoosefreetochoose Posts: 1,107

    PClipp said:

    The european parliament is exactly what UK voters wanted, it does not interfere in domestic affairs. but at an international level has done great work on human rights, environmental protection and international development. looks pretty credible to me.

    Actually what UK voters wanted was to not be a part of it.
    What they wanted was more money for the NHS.
    Where on earth does the idea that the european parliament was/is what UK voters want come from?

    The turn-outs for MEPs elections were always poor.

    And I speak as a die-hard Remainer.
    Absolutely correct.

    I was one of those campaigning to leave the EU long before immigration was a major issue and certainly before spurious claims about the NHS were bandied about.

    "human rights, environmental protection and international development" are way down the list of the electorate's priorities.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Scott_P said:
    Sounds fair. Who's leaking this to the Times, btw? Clearly not Leadsom. Number Ten? Or perhaps a former Times journalist who has taken over at Defra and who is sticking the knife into Leadsom who so easily beat him last year?
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,127
    rcs1000 said:

    To my English eyes Davidson seems much more a Unionist than a Conservative.

    Indeed.

    And a Unionist who is opposing an exhausted Nat government.

    I suspect Davidson would rather struggle if she had to put forward constructive policies of her own and explain how they were to be paid for.
    Why would she want to put up constructive policies of her own? If I were in her shoes, I'd snipe. There's much more mileage in it.
    Exactly.

    And she's effective at it.

    But if she became a Conservative MP and even more so a government minister (or for that matter was ever likely to become Scotland's FM) she would then have to advocate constructive policies and how they are to be paid for.

    And as we've seen repeatedly over the last decade its when politicians have to promote their own policies rather than merely oppose that they hit real problems.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,294

    PClipp said:

    The european parliament is exactly what UK voters wanted, it does not interfere in domestic affairs. but at an international level has done great work on human rights, environmental protection and international development. looks pretty credible to me.

    Actually what UK voters wanted was to not be a part of it.
    What they wanted was more money for the NHS.
    Where on earth does the idea that the european parliament was/is what UK voters want come from?

    The turn-outs for MEPs elections were always poor.

    And I speak as a die-hard Remainer.
    Absolutely correct.

    I was one of those campaigning to leave the EU long before immigration was a major issue and certainly before spurious claims about the NHS were bandied about.

    "human rights, environmental protection and international development" are way down the list of the electorate's priorities.
    I doubt the vast majority of voters could even tell you that these were the sorts of things EU were good at.

    More likely they thought it all a waste of time and just another hothouse full of over-paid stuffed shirts. Over the years there has been an appalling failure to explain what the EU does and its benefits.

    Mobile roaming charges anyone?
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,294

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Davis leads our survey – but is outscored by “none of the above”

    No appetite for urgent change....

    Also....

    there was no big write-in for Ruth Davidson, a development we were keeping an eye open for.
    Davidson is no longer an MP but Davis will almost certainly be Tory leader while Brexit talks are ongoing if May departs early but Boris is a strong contender if those are finished and winning the next general election is key
    Was she ever an MP?
    If Davis becomes PM - then, when was there last a Northern-born and bred Tory PM?

    Edit: And no, I don't consider Grantham is the North.
    As any prime minister with a geography degree could tell you, Grantham is halfway to Scotland.
    So, clearly in the Midlands then.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,370
    Charles said:

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Didn't they use to call ConHome KipperHome though? It might not be representative of the activist base
    Certainly there are a lot of posters there who are off the scale in terms of sanity and judgement. That doesn't necessarily mean it is unrepresentative, I guess?
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    dyedwooliedyedwoolie Posts: 7,786

    rcs1000 said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    Con Home now has released figures for its full leadership poll of Tory members as to who should succeed May. Davis is top choice on 24%, Boris second on 18% and Patel third on 8% (just ahead of Hammond)
    http://www.conservativehome.com/thetorydiary/2017/07/next-tory-leader-davis-leads-our-survey-but-is-outscored-by-none-of-the-above.html

    Davis leads our survey – but is outscored by “none of the above”

    No appetite for urgent change....

    Also....

    there was no big write-in for Ruth Davidson, a development we were keeping an eye open for.
    Davidson is no longer an MP but Davis will almost certainly be Tory leader while Brexit talks are ongoing if May departs early but Boris is a strong contender if those are finished and winning the next general election is key
    Was she ever an MP?
    If Davis becomes PM - then, when was there last a Northern-born and bred Tory PM?

    Edit: And no, I don't consider Grantham is the North.
    Anthony Eden was a county Durham lad. Went to Eton though!
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