Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
Through a referendum, of course.
Lets have a sensible proposition
Negotiations end without agreement. We are faced with the choice of crashing out or revoking.
My concern with another referendum results in the same result causing more chaos than we have now
Well we have to do something. A second LEAVE vote will mean that we leave on WTO terms. The matter will be settled.
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
Through a referendum, of course.
Lets have a sensible proposition
Negotiations end without agreement. We are faced with the choice of crashing out or revoking.
My concern with another referendum results in the same result causing more chaos than we have now
Well we have to do something. A second LEAVE vote will mean that we leave on WTO terms. The matter will be settled.
I think we are arriving at the point that MP's collectively need to come up with a solution
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
And then they all lived happily ever after.
Why do you think people voted for Leave ? Why do you think people voted for Corbyn ? Why do you think things are going to change ?
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
Through a referendum, of course.
Lets have a sensible proposition
Negotiations end without agreement. We are faced with the choice of crashing out or revoking.
My concern with another referendum results in the same result causing more chaos than we have now
Well we have to do something. A second LEAVE vote will mean that we leave on WTO terms. The matter will be settled.
I've started questioning what the point of the last twenty years of economic growth were. I live in a pretty average town in the south east.
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So in 1997 housing cost as a proportion of income would be 26%. In 2017 it is 43% (if I could ever save up for the deposit)
But then you also have to think about two areas of enormous volatility and risk: 1) my job is nowhere near as stable as it would have been in 1997. In the public sector as in the private sector there is no job security to the extent that there used to be. In the current environment you have to factor in some kind of default position where your income drops enormously. 2) If I borrow £225k on a low rate mortgage there is a high probability that the interest rates will rise in the future, so that is an enormous risk, as is the risk that house prices will fall.
It seems to me that, from my own point of view I would be better off going back in 1997, as that way I would be able to at least move to a nice house with decent schools etc nearby, which I cannot afford to do now.
So it follows that killing the economy, and taxing property wealth etc, is actually in my own economic self interest. Maybe I should be voting for Corbyn after all.
Meanwhile rentiers have done incredibly well.
The BTLers must be stopped now. They're doing irreparable damage to our social settlement.
The solution to the pressure on housing is to build more housing. Anything else is a sideshow.
I have been saying that for years
Increasing housing supply is not a silver bullet. It is a distraction from a bigger problem of inequality of outcomes. People who are just essentially lucky enough to have access to property wealth, vs those who don't. It is a situation that has to be overturned, some way or another, preferably through taxation, but alternatively through devaluation of assets. Some sort of rebalancing is inevitable. This is a situation that has been entirely created by successive governments over 20 years. It is a uniquely British (English) problem. It just doesn't exist in other countries, at least not to any where near the same extent.
Devaluation would happen if more houses were available and rents would fall too. It is a classic supply-and-demand issue.
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
It's all gone to Corbyn's head though, hasn't it? He's just obsessed with trying to have another GE. I doubt he cares much about BREXIT. The Labour moderates would have to break with him first if they wanted to make a centre alliance.
Politicians trotting out 'we respect the wishes of the people' will start sounding very hollow when the polls go beyond 60/40 for Remain. At that point I can see quite a head of steam building. Whether the right wing fringe who were behind the referendum in the first place will have the muscle now that the threat of UKIP has disappeared will be an interesting question but I doubt it.
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
It's all gone to Corbyn's head though, hasn't it? He's just obsessed with trying to have another GE. I doubt he cares much about BREXIT. The Labour moderates would have to break with him first if they wanted to make a centre alliance.
I thought they already had with their single market amendment. All 49 of them plus many more at present under the radar
Politicians trotting out 'we respect the wishes of the people' will start sounding very hollow when the polls go beyond 60/40 for Remain. At that point I can see quite a head of steam building. Whether the right wing fringe who were behind the referendum in the first place will have the muscle now that the threat of UKIP has disappeared will be an interesting question but I doubt it.
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
Your 'coalition of the moderates' are the same people who have borrowed more than a trillion quid over the last decade, engaged in repeated Middle Eastern warmongering, supported uncontrolled immigration, presided over a steep decline in home ownership and not least conducted failed EU negotiations.
Why do you think they're suddenly going to become successful ?
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
It's all gone to Corbyn's head though, hasn't it? He's just obsessed with trying to have another GE. I doubt he cares much about BREXIT. The Labour moderates would have to break with him first if they wanted to make a centre alliance.
I thought they already had with their single market amendment. All 49 of them plus many more at present under the radar
A centre alliance would have to be much more than that (the Tories voted 100% against as well). If Corbyn;s authority is challanged then rebels will face deselection as well as the wrath of the Momentum idiots;
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
And then they all lived happily ever after.
Why do you think people voted for Leave ? Why do you think people voted for Corbyn ? Why do you think things are going to change ?
1. Syrian Refugees at the worst possible moment. 2. Because he was the last hope of avoiding a hard Brexit 3. The economy takes a dive and people blame Brexit
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
Your 'coalition of the moderates' are the same people who have borrowed more than a trillion quid over the last decade, engaged in repeated Middle Eastern warmongering, supported uncontrolled immigration, presided over a steep decline in home ownership and not least conducted failed EU negotiations.
Why do you think they're suddenly going to become successful ?
The Parliament will only get this through by MP's of all parties coming together either with or without their leaders. They have the voting power
I've started questioning what the point of the last twenty years of economic growth were. I live in a pretty average town in the south east.
snip
So in 1997 housing cost as a proportion of income would be 26%. In 2017 it is 43% (if I could ever save up for the deposit)
But then you also have to think about two areas of enormous volatility and risk: 1) my job is nowhere near as stable as it would have been in 1997. In the public sector as in the private sector there is no job security to the extent that there used to be. In the current environment you have to factor in some kind of default position where your income drops enormously. 2) If I borrow £225k on a low rate mortgage there is a high probability that the interest rates will rise in the future, so that is an enormous risk, as is the risk that house prices will fall.
It seems to me that, from my own point of view I would be better off going back in 1997, as that way I would be able to at least move to a nice house with decent schools etc nearby, which I cannot afford to do now.
So it follows that killing the economy, and taxing property wealth etc, is actually in my own economic self interest. Maybe I should be voting for Corbyn after all.
Meanwhile rentiers have done incredibly well.
The BTLers must be stopped now. They're doing irreparable damage to our social settlement.
The solution to the pressure on housing is to build more housing. Anything else is a sideshow.
I have been saying that for years
Increasing housing supply is not a silver bullet. It is a distraction from a bigger problem of inequality of outcomes. People who are just essentially lucky enough to have access to property wealth, vs those who don't. It is a situation that has to be overturned, some way or another, preferably through taxation, but alternatively through devaluation of assets. Some sort of rebalancing is inevitable. This is a situation that has been entirely created by successive governments over 20 years. It is a uniquely British (English) problem. It just doesn't exist in other countries, at least not to any where near the same extent.
Devaluation would happen if more houses were available and rents would fall too. It is a classic supply-and-demand issue.
There is also the market-distorting factor of housing benefit which effectively places a floor on rents.
I can't imagine anyone less qualified than Sacks to pontificate about tolerance after he thought 1400 children dead in Gaza was a reasonable response to a few Hamas fireworks
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
It's all gone to Corbyn's head though, hasn't it? He's just obsessed with trying to have another GE. I doubt he cares much about BREXIT. The Labour moderates would have to break with him first if they wanted to make a centre alliance.
I thought they already had with their single market amendment. All 49 of them plus many more at present under the radar
A centre alliance would have to be much more than that (the Tories voted 100% against as well). If Corbyn;s authority is challanged then rebels will face deselection as well as the wrath of the Momentum idiots;
The conservatives voted 100% against because it was the Queens Speech. I am pretty sure the majority of conservatives are remainer's. As far as labour is concerned a split is coming and it will be over Europe
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
And then they all lived happily ever after.
Why do you think people voted for Leave ? Why do you think people voted for Corbyn ? Why do you think things are going to change ?
1. Syrian Refugees at the worst possible moment. 2. Because he was the last hope of avoiding a hard Brexit 3. The economy takes a dive and people blame Brexit
No, its simply because people want more, they want someone else to pay for it and they're afraid of losing what they have.
Now lets assume that Britain remains in the EU - when people discover that they're not getting more freebies ** they'll get even angrier and become even more pro Leave than they were before.
** That's even without the EU dumping endless extra shite on Britain.
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
Your 'coalition of the moderates' are the same people who have borrowed more than a trillion quid over the last decade, engaged in repeated Middle Eastern warmongering, supported uncontrolled immigration, presided over a steep decline in home ownership and not least conducted failed EU negotiations.
Why do you think they're suddenly going to become successful ?
The Parliament will only get this through by MP's of all parties coming together either with or without their leaders. They have the voting power
So you can't answer my question.
Or rather you can but don't want to say it. Namely that the 'coalition of the moderates' whom you want to rescue things are in fact a coalition of the incompetents.
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
Your 'coalition of the moderates' are the same people who have borrowed more than a trillion quid over the last decade, engaged in repeated Middle Eastern warmongering, supported uncontrolled immigration, presided over a steep decline in home ownership and not least conducted failed EU negotiations.
Why do you think they're suddenly going to become successful ?
The Parliament will only get this through by MP's of all parties coming together either with or without their leaders. They have the voting power
So you can't answer my question.
Or rather you can but don't want to say it. Namely that the 'coalition of the moderates' whom you want to rescue things are in fact a coalition of the incompetents.
I think we are rapidly coming to the conclusions everyone seems to fit that category
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
Your 'coalition of the moderates' are the same people who have borrowed more than a trillion quid over the last decade, engaged in repeated Middle Eastern warmongering, supported uncontrolled immigration, presided over a steep decline in home ownership and not least conducted failed EU negotiations.
Why do you think they're suddenly going to become successful ?
The Parliament will only get this through by MP's of all parties coming together either with or without their leaders. They have the voting power
So you can't answer my question.
Or rather you can but don't want to say it. Namely that the 'coalition of the moderates' whom you want to rescue things are in fact a coalition of the incompetents.
I think we are rapidly coming to the conclusions everyone seems to fit that category
Battery out plus time to go - good night to one and all
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
Your 'coalition of the moderates' are the same people who have borrowed more than a trillion quid over the last decade, engaged in repeated Middle Eastern warmongering, supported uncontrolled immigration, presided over a steep decline in home ownership and not least conducted failed EU negotiations.
Why do you think they're suddenly going to become successful ?
The Parliament will only get this through by MP's of all parties coming together either with or without their leaders. They have the voting power
So you can't answer my question.
Or rather you can but don't want to say it. Namely that the 'coalition of the moderates' whom you want to rescue things are in fact a coalition of the incompetents.
I think we are rapidly coming to the conclusions everyone seems to fit that category
The safe assumption is that anyone involved with the governance of Britain is an incompetent until proven otherwise.
This is also likely to apply to many other aspects of Britain as well.
He is absolutely right on the university stuff, it is a big problem both here and in the US.
See the example of the classic dripping wet liberal professor who is being hounded out of his job by his own students, because he raised an objection to a non-whites only day on campus. He is being deemed a racist for suggesting that having a non-whites only day might well be you know racist.
And of course we have the nonsense of the likes of Mrs Greer being deemed a monster and "no-platformed" because of her views not being PC enough.
While at the same time, local and national NUS officials have some absolutely disgusting views.
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
How do you think it could happen Roger
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
Your 'coalition of the moderates' are the same people who have borrowed more than a trillion quid over the last decade, engaged in repeated Middle Eastern warmongering, supported uncontrolled immigration, presided over a steep decline in home ownership and not least conducted failed EU negotiations.
Why do you think they're suddenly going to become successful ?
The Parliament will only get this through by MP's of all parties coming together either with or without their leaders. They have the voting power
So you can't answer my question.
Or rather you can but don't want to say it. Namely that the 'coalition of the moderates' whom you want to rescue things are in fact a coalition of the incompetents.
I think we are rapidly coming to the conclusions everyone seems to fit that category
The safe assumption is that anyone involved with the governance of Britain is an incompetent until proven otherwise.
This is also likely to apply to many other aspects of Britain as well.
Are They? Or are the voters?
It's often said that we get the government's we deserve. Given how much hysteria even the most moderate of cuts gets is it any surprise that closing the deficit has proven impossible? Even with the most competent ministers if we won't let them do their job then what should we expect?
Housing prices have very little to do with the supply and demand for housing. It is primarily a function of how fractional reserve banking works - commercial banks simply create money to provide as debt. There used to be brakes on this ability, primarily the fact that interest rates were (at some level) tied to money supply so when the money supply expanded too fast interest rates rose to choke off the demand for money.
Now, central bankers and politicians have created a fantasy world where we can create any amount of money we like but it never shows up in the inflation statistics.
In fact, all that happens is that if the CPI is based around retail prices, all the inflation is all pushed into asset prices. This is simply the market following the misguided incentives.
No amount of new housing, or getting rid of evil landlords, is going to make any difference to this problem. The solution is to both control the level of the money supply and to restrict the ability of banks to create new money - and Carswell (who I detest for his behaviour on UKIP) actually wrote an excellent and innovative paper on this issue.
Unfortunately, the bankers will go out of business the moment their ponzi scheme is undermined. Should have fixed this in the GFC but we didn't. Thanks Gordon.
The solution to the pressure on housing is to build more housing. Anything else is a sideshow.
I have been saying that for years
Increasing housing supply is not a silver bullet. It is a distraction from a bigger problem of inequality of outcomes. People who are just essentially lucky enough to have access to property wealth, vs those who don't. It is a situation that has to be overturned, some way or another, preferably through taxation, but alternatively through devaluation of assets. Some sort of rebalancing is inevitable. This is a situation that has been entirely created by successive governments over 20 years. It is a uniquely British (English) problem. It just doesn't exist in other countries, at least not to any where near the same extent.
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
Nobody is a keener advocate of the European Project than me and, even though the referendum result no longer has any democratic legitimacy due to the number of leavers who have gone to their graves, I see no way back from here.
I just pray and expect that Brexit is an absolute catastrophe that ruins the country so I can be proved right.
I wonder how much of the change in BREXIT sentiment is down to an actual change of view, and how much to pollsters changing the weighting of younger voters given the experience from the GE?
I wonder how much of the change in BREXIT sentiment is down to an actual change of view, and how much to pollsters changing the weighting of younger voters given the experience from the GE?
The VI figure from this Survation poll shows Labour falling back and they were the most accurate on the General Election anyway so I'd say it's likely to be a real shift.
The interesting one to watch will be YouGov as it's been so consistent since the referendum but subtly moved towards Remain close to the election date. If they now show a real breakout we'll know something significant is happening.
I wonder how much of the change in BREXIT sentiment is down to an actual change of view, and how much to pollsters changing the weighting of younger voters given the experience from the GE?
The VI figure from this Survation poll shows Labour falling back and they were the most accurate on the General Election anyway so I'd say it's likely to be a real shift.
The interesting one to watch will be YouGov as it's been so consistent since the referendum but subtly moved towards Remain close to the election date. If they now show a real breakout we'll know something significant is happening.
I think we will need a few polls before we can conclude opinion has shifted. As with SINDYREF2 each new shift in opinion is hailed as a brave new dawn, only to find out we're back where we started again.
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
Nobody is a keener advocate of the European Project than me and, even though the referendum result no longer has any democratic legitimacy due to the number of leavers who have gone to their graves, I see no way back from here.
I just pray and expect that Brexit is an absolute catastrophe that ruins the country so I can be proved right.
Nobody is a keener advocate of the European Project than me
Just catching up. Now 46-54 for Remain. Scenarios are starting to open up where we reverse the Brexit decision. I can't see any reason why we will be forced to commit hara-kiri because some politicians feel we are obliged to be too inflexible to change course
Nobody is a keener advocate of the European Project than me and, even though the referendum result no longer has any democratic legitimacy due to the number of leavers who have gone to their graves, I see no way back from here.
I just pray and expect that Brexit is an absolute catastrophe that ruins the country so I can be proved right.
Nobody is a keener advocate of the European Project than me
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No, my impression is thst in the cade of Dura _Ace the analogy is probably justified.
The first step is for the polls to show it's the will of the people. That's already begun. Next is a vote in parliament to call another Referendum. I can see several scenarios which could bring that about. The economy tanks. A rapid recession. A repeat of 2008. With Parliament in disarray it could happen.
Lets be honest the whole thing is a mess and we need a coalition of the moderates across the parties to drive a sensible compromise , maybe EEA or similar
Your 'coalition of the moderates' are the same people who have borrowed more than a trillion quid over the last decade, engaged in repeated Middle Eastern warmongering, supported uncontrolled immigration, presided over a steep decline in home ownership and not least conducted failed EU negotiations.
Why do you think they're suddenly going to become successful ?
The Parliament will only get this through by MP's of all parties coming together either with or without their leaders. They have the voting power
So you can't answer my question.
Or rather you can but don't want to say it. Namely that the 'coalition of the moderates' whom you want to rescue things are in fact a coalition of the incompetents.
I think we are rapidly coming to the conclusions everyone seems to fit that category
The safe assumption is that anyone involved with the governance of Britain is an incompetent until proven otherwise.
This is also likely to apply to many other aspects of Britain as well.
Are They? Or are the voters?
It's often said that we get the government's we deserve. Given how much hysteria even the most moderate of cuts gets is it any surprise that closing the deficit has proven impossible? Even with the most competent ministers if we won't let them do their job then what should we expect?
There's a lot of truth in that although which came first - the voters wanting everything but paying nothing or politicians promising that to get votes ?
Though the voters greed and gullibility doesn't apply when it comes to the incompetence of the politicians in their EU negotiating and Middle-East meddling.
With Tories continueing with Theresa May and moving to anti-austerity poses is there not a huge space now for any party positioning itself on the right?
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Why do you think people voted for Leave ?
Why do you think people voted for Corbyn ?
Why do you think things are going to change ?
We would then have calls for a third Referendum.
https://capx.co/jonathan-sacks-britain-today-is-a-less-tolerant-society/
Why do you think they're suddenly going to become successful ?
2. Because he was the last hope of avoiding a hard Brexit
3. The economy takes a dive and people blame Brexit
Now lets assume that Britain remains in the EU - when people discover that they're not getting more freebies ** they'll get even angrier and become even more pro Leave than they were before.
** That's even without the EU dumping endless extra shite on Britain.
Or rather you can but don't want to say it. Namely that the 'coalition of the moderates' whom you want to rescue things are in fact a coalition of the incompetents.
This is also likely to apply to many other aspects of Britain as well.
See the example of the classic dripping wet liberal professor who is being hounded out of his job by his own students, because he raised an objection to a non-whites only day on campus. He is being deemed a racist for suggesting that having a non-whites only day might well be you know racist.
And of course we have the nonsense of the likes of Mrs Greer being deemed a monster and "no-platformed" because of her views not being PC enough.
While at the same time, local and national NUS officials have some absolutely disgusting views.
It's often said that we get the government's we deserve. Given how much hysteria even the most moderate of cuts gets is it any surprise that closing the deficit has proven impossible? Even with the most competent ministers if we won't let them do their job then what should we expect?
Now, central bankers and politicians have created a fantasy world where we can create any amount of money we like but it never shows up in the inflation statistics.
In fact, all that happens is that if the CPI is based around retail prices, all the inflation is all pushed into asset prices. This is simply the market following the misguided incentives.
No amount of new housing, or getting rid of evil landlords, is going to make any difference to this problem. The solution is to both control the level of the money supply and to restrict the ability of banks to create new money - and Carswell (who I detest for his behaviour on UKIP) actually wrote an excellent and innovative paper on this issue.
Unfortunately, the bankers will go out of business the moment their ponzi scheme is undermined. Should have fixed this in the GFC but we didn't. Thanks Gordon. Increasing housing supply is not a silver bullet.
It is a distraction from a bigger problem of inequality of outcomes.
People who are just essentially lucky enough to have access to property wealth, vs those who don't.
It is a situation that has to be overturned, some way or another, preferably through taxation, but alternatively through devaluation of assets. Some sort of rebalancing is inevitable.
This is a situation that has been entirely created by successive governments over 20 years. It is a uniquely British (English) problem. It just doesn't exist in other countries, at least not to any where near the same extent.
I just pray and expect that Brexit is an absolute catastrophe that ruins the country so I can be proved right.
The interesting one to watch will be YouGov as it's been so consistent since the referendum but subtly moved towards Remain close to the election date. If they now show a real breakout we'll know something significant is happening.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4657812/Britain-brink-housing-price-collapse.html
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