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Dawdon on Durham (Lab defence) Result: Labour 693 (52% +6% on May 2017), Independent 633 (48%, no candidate in May 2017) Labour HOLD with a majority of 60 (4%)
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The thing I don't get is - why "loan" money to a political campaign at all?
Is it a tax thing? Can it be written off as a loss and offset, or something?
I'm not an accountant. I don't understand why we allow it, or why it's a mechanism that donors use.
The thing that is craziest about those accounts is that of his business's £33m of sales, around £30m is from related parties. As an ex-stock analyst, that is a massive red flag.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Excellent news if true. In fairness to Theresa, it sounds as if she's learnt from her mistakes - she tried appeasing the Kippers and the Tory hard Right and look at the unspeakable mess it landed her in. With luck, now that Corbyn has joined Farage and Leadsom to form the three horsemen of hard Brexit that should focus minds.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Excellent news if true. In fairness to Theresa, it sounds as if she's learnt from her mistakes - she tried appeasing the Kippers and the Tory hard Right and look at the unspeakable mess it landed her in. With luck, now that Corbyn has joined Farage and Leadsom to form the three horsemen of hard Brexit that should focus minds.
Another clue must be in the appointment of Gavin Barnwell and Damien Green to Theresa's close advisors and both are remainers
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Personal view: I think the biggest problem that the Department for Exiting the EU has is that Dr Fox has failed spectacularly.
We should have published our planned tariff schedule. We should have published Heads of Terms with a dozen countries (especially those that already have trade relationships with the EU). We should have announced our intention to join EFTA (not EEA, just EFTA). Dr Fox should have stood by the side of the Canadian ambassador and announced that we will be joining the EFTA-Canada FTA.
All these things increase our leverage with the EU, and insulate us somewhat against the risk of cliff edge Brexit.
Instead Dr Fox has failed to publish a tariff schedule, and has failed to make any progress ensuring exiting EU relationships are transferred to us, and has made next to no progress with other countries. (The possible exception being the US, but I fear that a US-UK deal will rapidly get bogged down in minutiae.)
We still have 21 months left to get things together. But we've had 12 months, and even the simplest things haven't been done yet. Business will start getting very nervous if we drift into 2018 and our non-EU trade arrangements appear to have been completely forgotten about.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
May's big achievement this year was to bollox her election. Hammond's big achievement this year was to bollox his Budget.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
We should have published our planned tariff schedule. We should have published Heads of Terms with a dozen countries (especially those that already have trade relationships with the EU). We should have announced our intention to join EFTA (not EEA, just EFTA). Dr Fox should have stood by the side of the Canadian ambassador and announced that we will be joining the EFTA-Canada FTA.
All these things increase our leverage with the EU, and insulate us somewhat against the risk of cliff edge Brexit.
Do you think the EU is a passive actor in terms of our potential relationship with third countries, especially those that already have treaty commitments with the EU?
Personal view: I think the biggest problem that the Department for Exiting the EU has is that Dr Fox has failed spectacularly.
We should have published our planned tariff schedule. We should have published Heads of Terms with a dozen countries (especially those that already have trade relationships with the EU). We should have announced our intention to join EFTA (not EEA, just EFTA). Dr Fox should have stood by the side of the Canadian ambassador and announced that we will be joining the EFTA-Canada FTA.
All these things increase our leverage with the EU, and insulate us somewhat against the risk of cliff edge Brexit.
Instead Dr Fox has failed to publish a tariff schedule, and has failed to make any progress ensuring exiting EU relationships are transferred to us, and has made next to no progress with other countries. (The possible exception being the US, but I fear that a US-UK deal will rapidly get bogged down in minutiae.)
We still have 21 months left to get things together. But we've had 12 months, and even the simplest things haven't been done yet. Business will start getting very nervous if we drift into 2018 and our non-EU trade arrangements appear to have been completely forgotten about.
Agree with you there. Dr fox is either being photographed beaming with his art collection or still fighting last years battles over the referendum result.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
Of course it's possible, and all those EU citizens who were motivated to apply for UK passports as a result of the Brexit vote will help create a blocking majority in any future referendum. It's over for (hard) Brexit.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
Of course it's possible, and all those EU citizens who were motivated to apply for UK passports as a result of the Brexit vote will help create a blocking majority in any future referendum. It's over for Brexit.
You are confident that the UK will never leave? It's a view...
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
Of course it's possible, and all those EU citizens who were motivated to apply for UK passports as a result of the Brexit vote will help create a blocking majority in any future referendum. It's over for Brexit.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
Of course it's possible, and all those EU citizens who were motivated to apply for UK passports as a result of the Brexit vote will help create a blocking majority in any future referendum. It's over for (hard) Brexit.
For once I agree with you William though it will take sensible compromises by both sides
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
It would be a funny turn of events if after all this the tories champion a soft brexit, while labour goes off the brexit deep end.
It would indeed .
So... New Labour has turned back into Old Labour and the Tories* are effectively turning into old New Labour.
*Since they have recently discovered that none of: austerity, untrammelled free-markets, public sector pay caps, hard brexit, grammar schools, fox-hunting, demetia tax etc. etc. are great for electoral prospects (let alone the country). Expect to see tuition fees abolished in the Autumn budget
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
It would be a funny turn of events if after all this the tories champion a soft brexit, while labour goes off the brexit deep end.
One of my bolder predictions is that in 2022* the Tory manifesto will include a pledge to take us back into the single market and customs union, replete with CJEU oversight.
It would be a funny turn of events if after all this the tories champion a soft brexit, while labour goes off the brexit deep end.
It would indeed .
So... New Labour has turned back into Old Labour and the Tories* are effectively turning into old New Labour.
*Since they have recently discovered that none of: austerity, untrammelled free-markets, public sector pay caps, hard brexit, grammar schools, fox-hunting, demetia tax etc. etc. are great for electoral prospects (let alone the country). Expect to see tuition fees abolished in the Autumn budget
It would be a funny turn of events if after all this the tories champion a soft brexit, while labour goes off the brexit deep end.
One of my bolder predictions is that in 2022* the Tory manifesto will include a pledge to take us back into the single market and customs union, replete with CJEU oversight.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
Of course it's possible, and all those EU citizens who were motivated to apply for UK passports as a result of the Brexit vote will help create a blocking majority in any future referendum. It's over for Brexit.
You are confident that the UK will never leave? It's a view...
I'm confident that the path of least resistance to the compromise that most resembles what the UK actually wants is to remain on current terms. Any deviation from that path will ultimately just lead to us remaining on different terms such as adopting the Euro.
Brexit is a poisoned chalice that will destroy any government it touches.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
If this were to take off expect a good face saving agreement with the EU. We might even be the first of a new category of member!
What predators do we then introduce when the population of wolves and brown bears need to be cut ?
Sabre-tooth tigers ? Velociraptors ?
Maybe dragons and the North can be turned into the North.
When did we stop hunting deer?
Isn't it rather frowned upon these days ?
I must admit to having somewhat of a downer about deer - I once ran into one.
Still I should be thankful I didn't run into a brown bear, that might have had worse consequences.
When we were in Canada we were told never to hit a moose* - apparently you take their legs out and the body topples onto your car and crushes you. Fortunately we never found out if this was just a tourist wind-up.
*Strange advice though - as if you'd sit in your car thinking, "shall I hit it or not?" Reminds me of the "Beware of falling rocks" signs in Cheddar Gorge - what are you going to do about it if one decides to fall?
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
Of course it's possible, and all those EU citizens who were motivated to apply for UK passports as a result of the Brexit vote will help create a blocking majority in any future referendum. It's over for Brexit.
You are confident that the UK will never leave? It's a view...
I'm confident that the path of least resistance to the compromise that most resembles what the UK actually wants is to remain on current terms. Any deviation from that path will ultimately just lead to us remaining on different terms such as adopting the Euro.
Brexit is a poisoned chalice that will destroy any government it touches.
So the choice is either as we were, or joining the euro?
It would be a funny turn of events if after all this the tories champion a soft brexit, while labour goes off the brexit deep end.
One of my bolder predictions is that in 2022* the Tory manifesto will include a pledge to take us back into the single market and customs union, replete with CJEU oversight.
*More likely in 2027.
Hm. Would this be on par with the Abbott bet?
Backed Abbott at odds as high as 120, she's now 50 on Betfair.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
Of course it's possible, and all those EU citizens who were motivated to apply for UK passports as a result of the Brexit vote will help create a blocking majority in any future referendum. It's over for Brexit.
You are confident that the UK will never leave? It's a view...
I'm confident that the path of least resistance to the compromise that most resembles what the UK actually wants is to remain on current terms. Any deviation from that path will ultimately just lead to us remaining on different terms such as adopting the Euro.
Brexit is a poisoned chalice that will destroy any government it touches.
So the choice is either as we were, or joining the euro?
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
Of course it's possible, and all those EU citizens who were motivated to apply for UK passports as a result of the Brexit vote will help create a blocking majority in any future referendum. It's over for Brexit.
You are confident that the UK will never leave? It's a view...
I'm confident that the path of least resistance to the compromise that most resembles what the UK actually wants is to remain on current terms. Any deviation from that path will ultimately just lead to us remaining on different terms such as adopting the Euro.
Brexit is a poisoned chalice that will destroy any government it touches.
So the choice is either as we were, or joining the euro?
Or become an ungovernable basket case.
That is where we go back to normal - I do not accept that at all
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
When we were in Canada we were told never to hit a moose* - apparently you take their legs out and the body topples onto your car and crushes you. Fortunately we never found out if this was just a tourist wind-up.
It's serious. My colleague hit a large deer and wrote off his car
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
What do you mean close to the single market ?
We will definitely be close to the single market as it's just over the border in NI
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
Respect to you. Being selfish and running away in the face of a vague threat is an honourable position. Fantastic.
What predators do we then introduce when the population of wolves and brown bears need to be cut ?
Sabre-tooth tigers ? Velociraptors ?
Maybe dragons and the North can be turned into the North.
h When did we stop hunting deer?
Isn't it rather frowned upon these days ?
I must admit to having somewhat of a downer about deer - I once ran into one.
Still I should be thankful I didn't run into a brown bear, that might have had worse consequences.
When we were in Canada we were told never to hit a moose* - apparently you take their legs out and the body topples onto your car and crushes you. Fortunately we never found out if this was just a tourist wind-up.
*Strange advice though - as if you'd sit in your car thinking, "shall I hit it or not?" Reminds me of the "Beware of falling rocks" signs in Cheddar Gorge - what are you going to do about it if one decides to fall?
I think the falling rocks sign is more to tell you to keep away, or not to linger, in those areas. My favourites are 'beware of rogue waves' signs at seemingly remote areas of the coast (I think there's one near Cairnryan). The waves are caused by passing large ships, often ferries, and from what I've read the signs are at places where the coast's shape magnifies the incoming wake.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
Respect to you. Being selfish and running away in the face of a vague threat is an honourable position. Fantastic.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
Respect to you. Being selfish and running away in the face of a vague threat is an honourable position. Fantastic.
The loss of Airbus in North Wales would not be worth any risk. You do know that every airbus flying throughout the World today has had it's wings made here in Wales
What predators do we then introduce when the population of wolves and brown bears need to be cut ?
Sabre-tooth tigers ? Velociraptors ?
Maybe dragons and the North can be turned into the North.
When did we stop hunting deer?
Isn't it rather frowned upon these days ?
I must admit to having somewhat of a downer about deer - I once ran into one.
Still I should be thankful I didn't run into a brown bear, that might have had worse consequences.
When we were in Canada we were told never to hit a moose* - apparently you take their legs out and the body topples onto your car and crushes you. Fortunately we never found out if this was just a tourist wind-up.
*Strange advice though - as if you'd sit in your car thinking, "shall I hit it or not?" Reminds me of the "Beware of falling rocks" signs in Cheddar Gorge - what are you going to do about it if one decides to fall?
When I ran into a deer I didn't have a car around me - I literally ran into a deer.
I was jogging through some woods, went round a corner and there it was, oblivious to the world and in particular to all the noise I had been making as I approached.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
What do you mean close to the single market ?
EEA or similar
Agreed would be my choice to under the circumstances.
What predators do we then introduce when the population of wolves and brown bears need to be cut ?
Sabre-tooth tigers ? Velociraptors ?
Maybe dragons and the North can be turned into the North.
When did we stop hunting deer?
Isn't it rather frowned upon these days ?
I must admit to having somewhat of a downer about deer - I once ran into one.
Still I should be thankful I didn't run into a brown bear, that might have had worse consequences.
When we were in Canada we were told never to hit a moose* - apparently you take their legs out and the body topples onto your car and crushes you. Fortunately we never found out if this was just a tourist wind-up.
*Strange advice though - as if you'd sit in your car thinking, "shall I hit it or not?" Reminds me of the "Beware of falling rocks" signs in Cheddar Gorge - what are you going to do about it if one decides to fall?
When I ran into a deer I didn't have a car around me - I literally ran into a deer.
I was jogging through some woods, went round a corner and there it was, oblivious to the world and in particular to all the noise I had been making as I approached.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
What do you mean close to the single market ?
EEA or similar
Agreed would be my choice to under the circumstances.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
Respect to you. Being selfish and running away in the face of a vague threat is an honourable position. Fantastic.
The loss of Airbus in North Wales would not be worth any risk. You do know that every airbus flying throughout the World today has had it's wings made here in Wales
If it bothered you that much then you should have done something about 13 months ago.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
Respect to you. Being selfish and running away in the face of a vague threat is an honourable position. Fantastic.
The loss of Airbus in North Wales would not be worth any risk. You do know that every airbus flying throughout the World today has had it's wings made here in Wales
If it bothered you that much then you should have thought of done something about 13 months ago.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
What do you mean close to the single market ?
EEA or similar
Agreed would be my choice to under the circumstances.
+1 Seems like a ready-made solution.
It's only a "solution" for you because you don't comprehend the initial problem.
It's impossible for you to come to any useful conclusion about a suitable destination if you don't understand (or, alternatively, don't believe in) the reason for the journey in the first place.
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
Respect to you. Being selfish and running away in the face of a vague threat is an honourable position. Fantastic.
The loss of Airbus in North Wales would not be worth any risk. You do know that every airbus flying throughout the World today has had it's wings made here in Wales
If it bothered you that much then you should have thought of done something about 13 months ago.
Big G voted Remain!
Should have campaigned harder then. It was always clear that Brexit was going to imperil Airbus UK.
It's only a "solution" for you because you don't comprehend the initial problem.
It's impossible for you to come to any useful conclusion about a suitable destination if you don't understand (or, alternatively, don't believe in) the reason for the journey in the first place.
I've no argument with that - I didn't, and don't, see the EU as a problem. It doesn't mean I am not allowed to have a view on where we end up though!
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
Respect to you. Being selfish and running away in the face of a vague threat is an honourable position. Fantastic.
The loss of Airbus in North Wales would not be worth any risk. You do know that every airbus flying throughout the World today has had it's wings made here in Wales
If it bothered you that much then you should have done something about 13 months ago.
We are now the worse performing economy in the G7 and it's probably going to deteriorate further.
Only if you use pointless quarterly growth figures, which bounce around all over the place. For example, our last 3 years: 0.9%, 0.8%, 0.8%, 0.3%, 0.5%, 0.3%, 0.7%, 0.2%, 0.6%, 0.5%, 0.7%, 0.2%.
Year on year growth we're 11th of 20 in the G20, ahead of Germany and way ahead of Italy/France and so on. Even that's a bit of an unhelpful comparison, because developing countries like China/India/Turkey/Indonesia/Mexio are always going to have higher growth peaks.
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think remaining in the single market is not only possible but more than likely....we probably have 2 years plus of actual shit to go through until we return to the bleeding obvious, namely that our interests are best served in Europe.
Even intransigent eggheads like your good self...the penny may well have dropped by then....finally....
Interesting. From what I'm hearing the fabulous Phil is rallying business and others of good sense and sound judgement against Corbyn, Farage, Leadsom and the rest of the dark forces of hard Brexit. Good man!
From something that was said a few days ago it seems Theresa May is supporting Hammond on this
Just a thought - what if TM and Phil Hammond come down in favour of the single market and outflank Corbyn, Farage and Leadsom by using cross party support
I'd back that. Needs to reach the right point in the negotiations then might be a masterstroke. Both main parties split though. Could be a good thing.
The country has to come first
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think remaining in the single market is not only possible but more than likely....we probably have 2 years plus of actual shit to go through until we return to the bleeding obvious, namely that our interests are best served in Europe.
Even intransigent eggheads like your good self...the penny may well have dropped by then....finally....
Corbyn supports pulling out of the single market.
Only headbangers like you can't see we are leaving the E.U and we will control our borders.
I agree, certain politicians need to think of their place in history. A liberalish sensible fudge of a Brexit abandoning strong reduction in European immigration and stopping bloody Corbyn are both pretty vital.
Corbyn must have hurt his remain followers and if you add conservative, lib dem, SNP, green MP's to the 50 - 80 labour pro remain you have a good majority to stay in or close to the single market. Additionally if Theresa can find a way through she will have redeemed herself in spades
Remaining in the Single Market is not possible.
I think you will need to explain this to BigG he is all-over the place .
No I am not. Since Airbus have threatened to leave Wales I have moved my opinion that jobs come first. I no longer support a hard Brexit that threatens 40,000 Welsh jobs including my son in laws. We have to stay in or close to the single market
Respect to you. Being selfish and running away in the face of a vague threat is an honourable position. Fantastic.
The loss of Airbus in North Wales would not be worth any risk. You do know that every airbus flying throughout the World today has had it's wings made here in Wales
If it bothered you that much then you should have done something about 13 months ago.
I voted remain reluctantly
"City must come first in Brexit"... the Telegraph and Times have turned into the Daily Express of Brexit. The Express has 6 or 8 cures (or causes) of cancer that reappear on the front page in a regular monthly cycle. Now our more august papers change their mind each month about what the priority in Brexit should be.
The trouble with Project Fear is that it was Project Realism. Okay, there are a few things that won't be affected very much by Brexit, but most of the warnings were sensible. For many people the medium-term effects of Brexit will be severe, and the only way the government is going to get the country (and itself) through the mess is by seeking out the Magic Money Tree orchard and supplying every region and sector with as much fruit as it wants.
Unionism 2017: an Irish politician, Phil Hogan, concludes a deal on behalf of an entire continent thanks to membership of the EU, while a Scottish politician, Liam Fox, sits in London waiting for an invitation.
Unionism 2017: an Irish politician, Phil Hogan, concludes a deal on behalf of an entire continent thanks to membership of the EU, while a Scottish politician, Liam Fox, sits in London waiting for an invitation.
twitter.com/trade_eu/status/880778219997319168
Weren't you yesterday wondering why he was even bothering starting talks with other countries?
Comments
The statistics in the article seem to be wrong.
1 Conservative (Eric Forth)
1 Lib Dem (Patsy Calton)
1 Independent (Peter Law)
Labour:
1. Ipswich (Jamie Cann)
2. Ogmore (Raymond Powell)
3. Brent East (Paul Daisley)
4. Leicester South (Jim Marshall)
5. Livingston (Robin Cook)
6. Dunfermline & West Fife (Rachel Squire)
7. Ealing Southall (Piara Khabra)
8. Crewe & Nantwich (Gwyneth Dunwoody)
9. Glenrothes (John MacDougall)
10. Inverclyde (David Cairns)
11. Feltham & Heston (Alan Keen)
[ 12. Bradford West (Marsha Singh) ]
13. Croydon North (Malcolm Wicks)
14. Middlesbrough (Stuart Bell)
15. Wythenshawe & Sale East (Paul Goggins)
16. Heywood & Middleton (Jim Dobbin)
17. Oldham West & Royton (Michael Meacher)
18. Sheffield Brightside & Hillsborough (Harry Harpham)
[ 19. Batley & Spen (Jo Cox) ]
Even if you disregard Jo Cox *and* Marsha Singh, it's 17 not 15.
And who is the second "Other"?
Aaron Banks's finances ^
C&P into google - and click the green "cache" link to get around the paywall.
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The thing I don't get is - why "loan" money to a political campaign at all?
Is it a tax thing? Can it be written off as a loss and offset, or something?
I'm not an accountant. I don't understand why we allow it, or why it's a mechanism that donors use.
Donating/loaning money to a political party makes no difference to an individual or a company's tax liability.
What a w*****!
"Wolves and brown bears could return to British countryside to 'naturally cut deer population' "
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/06/30/wolves-brown-bears-could-return-british-countryside-naturally/
What predators do we then introduce when the population of wolves and brown bears need to be cut ?
Sabre-tooth tigers ? Velociraptors ?
Maybe dragons and the North can be turned into the North.
We should have published our planned tariff schedule. We should have published Heads of Terms with a dozen countries (especially those that already have trade relationships with the EU). We should have announced our intention to join EFTA (not EEA, just EFTA). Dr Fox should have stood by the side of the Canadian ambassador and announced that we will be joining the EFTA-Canada FTA.
All these things increase our leverage with the EU, and insulate us somewhat against the risk of cliff edge Brexit.
Instead Dr Fox has failed to publish a tariff schedule, and has failed to make any progress ensuring exiting EU relationships are transferred to us, and has made next to no progress with other countries. (The possible exception being the US, but I fear that a US-UK deal will rapidly get bogged down in minutiae.)
We still have 21 months left to get things together. But we've had 12 months, and even the simplest things haven't been done yet. Business will start getting very nervous if we drift into 2018 and our non-EU trade arrangements appear to have been completely forgotten about.
Hammond's big achievement this year was to bollox his Budget.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/24/liam-fox-interview-country-made-views-clear-part-dont-people/
Sharpen up Liam. You've got work to do!
I must admit to having somewhat of a downer about deer - I once ran into one.
Still I should be thankful I didn't run into a brown bear, that might have had worse consequences.
So... New Labour has turned back into Old Labour and the Tories* are effectively turning into old New Labour.
*Since they have recently discovered that none of: austerity, untrammelled free-markets, public sector pay caps, hard brexit, grammar schools, fox-hunting, demetia tax etc. etc. are great for electoral prospects (let alone the country). Expect to see tuition fees abolished in the Autumn budget
I believe he named some of the deer he shot recently Michael and Boris after Messrs Gove and Johnson.
*More likely in 2027.
Brexit is a poisoned chalice that will destroy any government it touches.
I really want to be asleep right now.
*Strange advice though - as if you'd sit in your car thinking, "shall I hit it or not?" Reminds me of the "Beware of falling rocks" signs in Cheddar Gorge - what are you going to do about it if one decides to fall?
#ExcellentTradingBetAhem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moose_test
I think the falling rocks sign is more to tell you to keep away, or not to linger, in those areas. My favourites are 'beware of rogue waves' signs at seemingly remote areas of the coast (I think there's one near Cairnryan). The waves are caused by passing large ships, often ferries, and from what I've read the signs are at places where the coast's shape magnifies the incoming wake.
I was jogging through some woods, went round a corner and there it was, oblivious to the world and in particular to all the noise I had been making as I approached.
It's impossible for you to come to any useful conclusion about a suitable destination if you don't understand (or, alternatively, don't believe in) the reason for the journey in the first place.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/04/airbus-executives-brexit-warning-letter-uk-eu
Well there's a surprise
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-economy-world-worst-performing-advanced-countries-state-g7-european-union-a7817046.html
https://twitter.com/JungleDaily/status/880551067083194368
Will we be in recession by Q3?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/brexit-boris-johnson-michael-gove-nigel-farage-poll-hated-british-public-char-yougov-a7805466.html
Year on year growth we're 11th of 20 in the G20, ahead of Germany and way ahead of Italy/France and so on. Even that's a bit of an unhelpful comparison, because developing countries like China/India/Turkey/Indonesia/Mexio are always going to have higher growth peaks.
I think remaining in the single market is not only possible but more than likely....we probably have 2 years plus of actual shit to go through until we return to the bleeding obvious, namely that our interests are best served in Europe.
Even intransigent eggheads like your good self...the penny may well have dropped by then....finally....
Only headbangers like you can't see we are leaving the E.U and we will control our borders.
The trouble with Project Fear is that it was Project Realism. Okay, there are a few things that won't be affected very much by Brexit, but most of the warnings were sensible. For many people the medium-term effects of Brexit will be severe, and the only way the government is going to get the country (and itself) through the mess is by seeking out the Magic Money Tree orchard and supplying every region and sector with as much fruit as it wants.
https://twitter.com/trade_eu/status/880778219997319168