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EXC: Dozens of Tory MPs have emailed Andrea Leadsom urging her to run for leader again https://t.co/X8iKsfggKh

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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    edited June 2017
    "Michael Gove’s transformation into the lovechild of Francis Urquhart"

    I can definitely confirm this is not true....
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    LOL!

    A more likely explanation is that the article is bollocks.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Ah a new thread - makes mental note not to fling the PC out the window after the last one :)

    Leadsom campaigned in Bolsover iirc and helped get Helen Harrison 19+k votes there, a very decent score in the context of the evening.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    This is a woman who made May look good. Think about that for a moment and then save your money.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,320
    edited June 2017

    "Michael Gove’s transformation into the lovechild of Francis Urquhart"

    I can definitely confirm this is not true....

    You may say that, but we couldn't possibly comment.
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    RoyalBlueRoyalBlue Posts: 3,223
    When are the QS votes?
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    FF43FF43 Posts: 15,722
    I thought she was lost in the Sunny Uplands.

    If Labour can select a bonkers leader why can't the Conservatives do the same?
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    Richard_HRichard_H Posts: 48
    The Tories are caught in a very negative news cycle at the moment and i am not sure how they will get out of it. With Brexit, whatever they are doing, half of the country won't be happy. In regard to austerity/spending, they have a very diificult situation, which i don't think they can easily get out of, unless they open the purse strings and start spending, with an increased deficit.

    Labour are setting the agenda and i can't see this changing anytime soon.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Chuka's amendment is going to be awful optics for Labour amongst their remain supporting voting base.
    I'd vote for it if I was on the oppo benches anyway - abstaining against a jobs first Brexit though. Ouchies for Corbyn...
    I wonder if any will vote with the Government to oppose.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Richard_H said:

    Labour are setting the agenda and i can't see this changing anytime soon.

    Given how rapidly things have changed in the last eight weeks, who knows what will happen?
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    Pulpstar said:

    Chuka's amendment is going to be awful optics for Labour amongst their remain supporting voting base.
    I'd vote for it if I was on the oppo benches anyway - abstaining against a jobs first Brexit though. Ouchies for Corbyn...
    I wonder if any will vote with the Government to oppose.

    Robert Smithson's employee who voted for Kate Hoey in protest at Brexit will surely be annoyed.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,856
    Afternoon all :)

    Well, my betting post got caught in the curse of the new thread.

    After her silly comments about broadcasters being "patriotic", I doubt she'll get very far.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548
    edited June 2017
    DavidL said:

    This is a woman who made May look good. Think about that for a moment and then save your money.

    She did come second in a five horse race, so must have some support in the PCP. Sure her "as a mother" was crass, albeit perhaps true, and her CV would embarass Dr Paul Nuttall, but she cannot be much more useless than the otber members of cabinet!
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    stevefstevef Posts: 1,044
    Angela Leadsom may as well be wrapped in gift paper with a big red bow and addressed to Jeremy Corbyn.
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,249
    LOL.

    Then stopped myself. As we are now living in a Truman-show style political comedy then she will be leader by October.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850

    I reckon Philip Davies will be the next leader.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
    I thought the 'Silly Season' started after Parliament went into recess.....
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    Corbyn would've done better to not whip at all. The amendment clearly won't pass. Even by whipping to abstain he picks a side, and Corbyn really needs to straddle the fence for as long as humanly possible.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311
    Richard_H said:

    The Tories are caught in a very negative news cycle at the moment and i am not sure how they will get out of it. With Brexit, whatever they are doing, half of the country won't be happy. In regard to austerity/spending, they have a very diificult situation, which i don't think they can easily get out of, unless they open the purse strings and start spending, with an increased deficit.

    Labour are setting the agenda and i can't see this changing anytime soon.

    I agree absolutely...except...it is just when there seems no way out of the status quo, nor any catalyst for change in sight, that...lo! Change arrives.

    Hence Tezza's decision, right IMO, to ride it out. Events have a habit of making fools of those predicting an end of history.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Sean_F said:


    I reckon Philip Davies will be the next leader.

    Corbyn would absolutely LOVE that.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    stodge said:

    Afternoon all :)

    Well, my betting post got caught in the curse of the new thread.

    After her silly comments about broadcasters being "patriotic", I doubt she'll get very far.

    Letter I sent to Carswell/UKIP policy team in 2014 pt1

    "A problem that particularly affects the working class is the growing number of Fixed Odds Betting Terminals (FOBTs) in betting shops. I have worked in the bookmaking industry for nearly twenty years, and in that time there have been a lot of changes. The existence of the betting exchanges, namely Betfair, has meant that the bookie vs punter battle is all but over. Bookmakers are unable to compete with the margins that the exchanges bet to, but what they lose in custom they make up for in wages. As the exchanges are the ultimate guide to the betting market, they no longer have to employ as many odds compilers, they just copy the exchange and add a bit of margin. If the bookmaker is out of line with the exchanges, and punters try to take the bookie price, the bookie stops them betting, or limits them to pennies. To all intents and purposes the high St bookie should be dead. They don't take many bets, and they don't let people bet much.

    But they are kept afloat by the FOBTs. These are basically Fruit Machines on crack cocaine. There is no edge for the punter as the machines are programmed to win a certain percentage. It is not about skill, they cannot be beaten. Bookmakers now have as many of these machines as possible in betting shops, and staff I have spoken to have told me they are instructed to teach punters how to play them, and stay open as long as possible even when there is barely any sport to bet on. Labour MP Tom Watson has done a great deal of work on the problems of FOBTs. They are a social menace, causing misery to many who cant afford to lose the money they are, and the anger on the part of the player when they lose is often also distressing for the employee, who is usually working alone late at night. The bookmakers that are applying to open shops in High Streets in poor areas (Newham is a particular example) are only doing so in order to pile these machines into them.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tom-watson-mp/tom-watson-gambling-machines_b_4108634.html

    Watson wants some kind of ban on them, Cameron is dithering."
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    @stodge pt 2

    "My idea would be to make bookmakers who want FOBTs in their shops re apply for a license as an amusement arcade rather than a bookmaker, and remove their ability to take bets on sport in that shop if such a licence is granted. I predict that Bookmakers such as Ladbrokes, Coral and William Hill would baulk at this, but at the moment they are no more than fences for FOBTs anyway. They wont take bets off people who have any clue about betting, but are happy to let the poorest in society lose their wages in a machine which it is impossible to beat. Strange as it may sound, the name Ladbrokes/Hills/Corals adds a cloak of respectability to the mugging that takes place inside their shops. Attaching their name to an amusement arcade would (a) discourage them from applying as it would damage their brand, and (b) give the authorities the chance to deny permission for the arcade. Either would be a bonus for the man in the street.

    Because they cannot be beaten, the bookies let anybody have anything they like in these machines

    rethink gambling ‏@rethinkgambling Dec 15
    .@Coral You took this from a known #gambling #addict on Friday. Anything to say to his children this Christmas? pic.twitter.com/5JIfztXZrL


    I have written a couple of articles on this deception here

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/luis-louis-ladbrokes-life.html

    and here

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/you-dont-have-to-be-hypocritical-coward.html

    and here is a blog from a betting shop worker who knows the truth behind the supposed advice to "Bet responsibly"

    https://contributoria.com/issue/2014-12/544128ff96bd93a404000051

    To encourage the existence of a traditional bookmakers, I would offer an tax incentive for those who bet to a low margin and accept large bets in FOBT-less shops. At the moment they bet to very big margins and refuse to take many bets. The betting market in the far east is thriving by accepting enormous bets at low margin, and that is something I feel we could tap into. I have many contacts in the bookmaking game, both poacher and gamekeeper so to speak, and could help pack out a detailed policy if you decide to follow it up.

    If we press this policy I feel it will be both a vote winner and enhance UKIPs reputation as the party that has the interests of the working class at heart"
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311

    Corbyn would've done better to not whip at all. The amendment clearly won't pass. Even by whipping to abstain he picks a side, and Corbyn really needs to straddle the fence for as long as humanly possible.

    Interesting quote from CiF commentator:

    "We've now seen Corbyn when he's in campaign mode.
    He didn't CAMPAIGN for remain."

    Perhaps people will begin to notice this - @Richard_H perhaps that will be it..?
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    TykejohnnoTykejohnno Posts: 7,362
    Could the tories ever go for someone of the left of the tory party like Heidi Allen ?

    She seems to know where the tory party should be heading with policies and she is very confident in herself.
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited June 2017

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307

    DavidL said:

    This is a woman who made May look good. Think about that for a moment and then save your money.

    She did come second in a five horse race, so must have some support in the PCP. Sure her "as a mother" was crass, albeit perhaps true, and her CV would embarass Dr Paul Nuttall, but she cannot be much more useless than the otber members of cabinet!
    Was it a race or an abattoir? I could never make my mind up.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,626
    TOPPING said:

    Corbyn would've done better to not whip at all. The amendment clearly won't pass. Even by whipping to abstain he picks a side, and Corbyn really needs to straddle the fence for as long as humanly possible.

    Interesting quote from CiF commentator:

    "We've now seen Corbyn when he's in campaign mode.
    He didn't CAMPAIGN for remain."

    Perhaps people will begin to notice this - @Richard_H perhaps that will be it..?
    Nice to see that the penny has dropped.

    For those of us who voted remain, the spectacle of Corbyn trying to get our votes on this basis is pretty distasteful. Not just a utopian, but a dishonest one, too.
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    Not really. All 3 points are basically "I have started, so I will finish". The alternative is that plaintiffs cases expire immediately on Brexit.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,850
    edited June 2017

    Could the tories ever go for someone of the left of the tory party like Heidi Allen ?

    She seems to know where the tory party should be heading with policies and she is very confident in herself.

    It's not a snide point, but I truly don't know why Heidi Allen joined the Conservatives.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679
    Scott_P said:
    Leaving aside everything else for the moment, EU documents are typically a lot easier to follow than UK government ones. If we have to leave it would be good if we could at least learn that skill.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    The decisions of the Courts matter because they are capable of being enforced by the laws of the United Kingdom. In the absence of an agreement CJE decisions will cease to fall into that category when we leave so any subsequent ruling will be irrelevant and unenforceable.

    In reality it is likely to be more complicated than that. If, for example, we want to remain a part of the European patent system (and we may well do) then we will have to give the CJE decisions on such matters effect in the UK. But I suggest that this sort of thing is going to be by exception, not by generality.
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    rkrkrkrkrkrk Posts: 7,908
    Melania Trump has an anti cyber bullying initiative.
    Have to say I thought that would be made up - but the irony is so delicious...
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
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    sarissasarissa Posts: 1,783
    Scott_P said:
    They presumably thought they could have their cake and eat it, and have a get out of jail free card in addition?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311
    Nigelb said:

    TOPPING said:

    Corbyn would've done better to not whip at all. The amendment clearly won't pass. Even by whipping to abstain he picks a side, and Corbyn really needs to straddle the fence for as long as humanly possible.

    Interesting quote from CiF commentator:

    "We've now seen Corbyn when he's in campaign mode.
    He didn't CAMPAIGN for remain."

    Perhaps people will begin to notice this - @Richard_H perhaps that will be it..?
    Nice to see that the penny has dropped.

    For those of us who voted remain, the spectacle of Corbyn trying to get our votes on this basis is pretty distasteful. Not just a utopian, but a dishonest one, too.
    People wouldn't have it on the doorstep, that said, they were just angry with the Cons for having the referendum. But perhaps as they ponder the choices in front of them (remainer leading the Cons, leaver leading Lab) this might change things at the margin.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285
    rkrkrk said:

    Melania Trump has an anti cyber bullying initiative.
    Have to say I thought that would be made up - but the irony is so delicious...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/880408582310776832

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/880410114456465411
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311
    DavidL said:

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
    I'm sure there are clubs where you don't get your full year's subscription refunded when you resign in April.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822
    **** Jon Snow!



    That is all! :D
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307

    Scott_P said:
    Leaving aside everything else for the moment, EU documents are typically a lot easier to follow than UK government ones. If we have to leave it would be good if we could at least learn that skill.
    I would not agree with that (without in any way being an admirer of our legislation).

    The problem is that EU documents tend to tell you what they want to do rather than what they are actually doing. This means you are left with a lot of aspirational wording which Courts then have to try and give a "purposeful" intent to. This can make advising clients of the effect of the provisions a lot more complicated than a traditional black letter, reductivist approach.

    There are areas, such as tax avoidance, where we have copied this approach. I am not sure it can be claimed these have greatly added to certainty or predictability.
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    stodgestodge Posts: 12,856
    @isam

    Thank you for the considered responses and there's very little with which I would disagree.

    I worked in betting shops in the 1980s and it was a very different world. Nowadays, the sheer volume of betting opportunities (both real and artificial) in shops makes any attempt to keep on top of them fruitless.

    I do think the adage "less is more" applies and I also think the shops could become more like cafes with betting (on the continental model). As you say, take out the FOBTs, let half of them close and if they can be redeveloped as residential accommodation so be it.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
    I'm sure there are clubs where you don't get your full year's subscription refunded when you resign in April.
    Oh sure and I have no problem with paying our share as we promised. But there are not many clubs that insist you are bound by their constitution after you have left.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822

    rkrkrk said:

    Melania Trump has an anti cyber bullying initiative.
    Have to say I thought that would be made up - but the irony is so delicious...

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/880408582310776832

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/880410114456465411
    What's he on about?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311
    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
    I'm sure there are clubs where you don't get your full year's subscription refunded when you resign in April.
    Oh sure and I have no problem with paying our share as we promised. But there are not many clubs that insist you are bound by their constitution after you have left.
    Let's suppose there is a club tiddly-winks competition and you think you won, but another member thinks they did. You then leave the club but the dispute is outstanding. Surely the club's committee gets to decide the issue?
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311
    isam said:

    @stodge pt 2

    "My idea would be to make bookmakers who want FOBTs in their shops re apply for a license as an amusement arcade rather than a bookmaker, and remove their ability to take bets on sport in that shop if such a licence is granted. I predict that Bookmakers such as Ladbrokes, Coral and William Hill would baulk at this, but at the moment they are no more than fences for FOBTs anyway. They wont take bets off people who have any clue about betting, but are happy to let the poorest in society lose their wages in a machine which it is impossible to beat. Strange as it may sound, the name Ladbrokes/Hills/Corals adds a cloak of respectability to the mugging that takes place inside their shops. Attaching their name to an amusement arcade would (a) discourage them from applying as it would damage their brand, and (b) give the authorities the chance to deny permission for the arcade. Either would be a bonus for the man in the street.

    Because they cannot be beaten, the bookies let anybody have anything they like in these machines

    rethink gambling ‏@rethinkgambling Dec 15
    .@Coral You took this from a known #gambling #addict on Friday. Anything to say to his children this Christmas? pic.twitter.com/5JIfztXZrL


    I have written a couple of articles on this deception here

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/luis-louis-ladbrokes-life.html

    and here

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/you-dont-have-to-be-hypocritical-coward.html

    and here is a blog from a betting shop worker who knows the truth behind the supposed advice to "Bet responsibly"

    https://contributoria.com/issue/2014-12/544128ff96bd93a404000051

    To encourage the existence of a traditional bookmakers, I would offer an tax incentive for those who bet to a low margin and accept large bets in FOBT-less shops. At the moment they bet to very big margins and refuse to take many bets. The betting market in the far east is thriving by accepting enormous bets at low margin, and that is something I feel we could tap into. I have many contacts in the bookmaking game, both poacher and gamekeeper so to speak, and could help pack out a detailed policy if you decide to follow it up.

    If we press this policy I feel it will be both a vote winner and enhance UKIPs reputation as the party that has the interests of the working class at heart"

    And presumably that's why they try to find racing from any old where to show up until 10pm plus their cartoon races...just to keep the doors open for the FOBT punters.
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    stodge said:

    @isam

    Thank you for the considered responses and there's very little with which I would disagree.

    I worked in betting shops in the 1980s and it was a very different world. Nowadays, the sheer volume of betting opportunities (both real and artificial) in shops makes any attempt to keep on top of them fruitless.

    I do think the adage "less is more" applies and I also think the shops could become more like cafes with betting (on the continental model). As you say, take out the FOBTs, let half of them close and if they can be redeveloped as residential accommodation so be it.

    Cheers, yes I agree; less is more. I sent that mail to Ukip, & the policy team seemed keen. Carswell didn't respond though - Tories generally seem to be pro FOBT
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
    I'm sure there are clubs where you don't get your full year's subscription refunded when you resign in April.
    Oh sure and I have no problem with paying our share as we promised. But there are not many clubs that insist you are bound by their constitution after you have left.
    Let's suppose there is a club tiddly-winks competition and you think you won, but another member thinks they did. You then leave the club but the dispute is outstanding. Surely the club's committee gets to decide the issue?
    Well they can decide you don't get the prize but they can't order you to pay it to someone else. They no longer have jurisdiction over you.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472
    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***
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    isamisam Posts: 40,930
    edited June 2017
    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    @stodge pt 2

    "My idea would be to make bookmakers who want FOBTs in their shops re apply for a license as an amusement arcade ratherwould baulk at this, but at the moment they are no more than fences for FOBTs anyway. They wont take bets off people who have any clue about betting, but are happy to let the poorest in society lose their wages in a machine which it is impossible to beat. Strange as it may sound, the name Ladbrokes/Hills/Corals adds a cloak of respectability to the mugging that takes place inside their shops. Attaching their name to an amusement arcade would (a) discourage them from applying as it would damage their brand, and (b) give the authorities the chance to deny permission for the arcade. Either would be a bonus for the man in the street.

    Because they cannot be beaten, the bookies let anybody have anything they like in these machines

    rethink gambling ‏@rethinkgambling Dec 15
    .@Coral You took this from a known #gambling #addict on Friday. Anything to say to his children this Christmas? pic.twitter.com/5JIfztXZrL


    I have written a couple of articles on this deception here

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/luis-louis-ladbrokes-life.html

    and here

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/you-dont-have-to-be-hypocritical-coward.html

    and here is a blog from a betting shop worker who knows the truth behind the supposed advice to "Bet responsibly"

    https://contributoria.com/issue/2014-12/544128ff96bd93a404000051

    To encourage the existence of a traditional bookmakers, I would offer an tax incentive for those who bet to a low margin and accept large bets in FOBT-less shops. At the moment they bet to very big margins and refuse to take many bets. The betting market in the far east is thriving by accepting enormous bets at low margin, and that is something I feel we could tap into. I have many contacts in the bookmaking game, both poacher and gamekeeper so to speak, and could help pack out a detailed policy if you decide to follow it up.

    If we press this policy I feel it will be both a vote winner and enhance UKIPs reputation as the party that has the interests of the working class at heart"

    And presumably that's why they try to find racing from any old where to show up until 10pm plus their cartoon races...just to keep the doors open for the FOBT punters.
    Yes and often the shops are single staffed. My local Hills has a young girl on her own in there just to keep the FOBTs running until 10pm all year. Not a safe environment w tempers fraying imo

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/31/big-gamble-dangerous-british-betting-shops
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311
    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
    I'm sure there are clubs where you don't get your full year's subscription refunded when you resign in April.
    Oh sure and I have no problem with paying our share as we promised. But there are not many clubs that insist you are bound by their constitution after you have left.
    Let's suppose there is a club tiddly-winks competition and you think you won, but another member thinks they did. You then leave the club but the dispute is outstanding. Surely the club's committee gets to decide the issue?
    Well they can decide you don't get the prize but they can't order you to pay it to someone else. They no longer have jurisdiction over you.
    Hmm no I suppose not. What if while a member you promised to pay? Just ignore the committee's decision, I suppose.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    Heard rumours cchq are recruiting campaign managers.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    If Theresa falls it'll be all your fault. I hope your ready!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472
    Jonathan said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    Heard rumours cchq are recruiting campaign managers.
    Bugger.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Jonathan said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    Heard rumours cchq are recruiting campaign managers.
    Bugger.
    http://www.w4mpjobs.org/JobDetails.aspx?jobid=61420
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311
    isam said:

    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    @stodge pt 2

    "My idea would be to make bookmakers who want FOBTs in their shops re apply for a license as an amusement arcade ratherwould baulk at this, but at the moment they are no more than fences for FOBTs anyway. They wont take bets off people who have any clue about betting, but are happy to let the poorest in society lose their wages in a machine which it is impossible to beat. Strange as it may sound, the name Ladbrokes/Hills/Corals adds a cloak of respectability to the mugging that takes place inside their shops. Attaching their name to an amusement arcade would (a) discourage them from applying as it would damage their brand, and (b) give the authorities the chance to deny permission for the arcade. Either would be a bonus for the man in the street.

    Because they cannot be beaten, the bookies let anybody have anything they like in these machines

    rethink gambling ‏@rethinkgambling Dec 15
    .@Coral You took this from a known #gambling #addict on Friday. Anything to say to his children this Christmas? pic.twitter.com/5JIfztXZrL


    I have written a couple of articles on this deception here

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/luis-louis-ladbrokes-life.html

    and here

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/you-dont-have-to-be-hypocritical-coward.html

    and here is a blog from a betting shop worker who knows the truth behind the supposed advice to "Bet responsibly"

    https://contributoria.com/issue/2014-12/544128ff96bd93a404000051

    To encourage the existence of a traditional bookmakers, I would offer an tax incentive for those who bet to a low margin and accept large bets in FOBT-less shops. At the moment they bet to very big margins and refuse to take many bets. The betting market in the far east is thriving by accepting enormous bets at low margin, and that is something I feel we could tap into. I have many contacts in the bookmaking game, both poacher and gamekeeper so to speak, and could help pack out a detailed policy if you decide to follow it up.

    If we press this policy I feel it will be both a vote winner and enhance UKIPs reputation as the party that has the interests of the working class at heart"

    And presumably that's why they try to find racing from any old where to show up until 10pm plus their cartoon races...just to keep the doors open for the FOBT punters.
    Yes and often the shops are single staffed. My local Hills has a young girl on her own in there just to keep the FOBTs running until 10pm all year. Not a safe environment w tempers fraying imo

    https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/may/31/big-gamble-dangerous-british-betting-shops
    I have walked into bookies and seen some of those machines completely trashed. I wouldn't ask any employee to get between that and the rage of the person who did it.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311
    Jonathan said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    Heard rumours cchq are recruiting campaign managers.
    No offence but £25k isn't going to get you Lynton, is it...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472
    GIN1138 said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    If Theresa falls it'll be all your fault. I hope your ready!
    It'll all go wrong on July 8th.

    I'm best man at a wedding that day.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
    I'm sure there are clubs where you don't get your full year's subscription refunded when you resign in April.
    Oh sure and I have no problem with paying our share as we promised. But there are not many clubs that insist you are bound by their constitution after you have left.
    Let's suppose there is a club tiddly-winks competition and you think you won, but another member thinks they did. You then leave the club but the dispute is outstanding. Surely the club's committee gets to decide the issue?
    Well they can decide you don't get the prize but they can't order you to pay it to someone else. They no longer have jurisdiction over you.
    Hmm no I suppose not. What if while a member you promised to pay? Just ignore the committee's decision, I suppose.
    Exactly so. They get to decide everything that happens inside their jurisdiction including what happens to Brits that live there and vice versa.

    But as I said it won't be as simple as that. One of the better parts of the Single Market rules from a lawyers point of view is the mutual enforcement provisions for judgments. I would be very disappointed if we lost that. It is much simpler at present to enforce a German decree than an American one. We should try to keep it that way.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    Jonathan said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    Heard rumours cchq are recruiting campaign managers.
    Well its got to be worth a try after the last effort.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822

    GIN1138 said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    If Theresa falls it'll be all your fault. I hope your ready!
    It'll all go wrong on July 8th.

    I'm best man at a wedding that day.
    I think you better get the bride and groom to cancel. Tell them to get married in November. The weather may be terrible but nothing ever happens in politics in November...
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071
    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
    I'm sure there are clubs where you don't get your full year's subscription refunded when you resign in April.
    Oh sure and I have no problem with paying our share as we promised. But there are not many clubs that insist you are bound by their constitution after you have left.
    Let's suppose there is a club tiddly-winks competition and you think you won, but another member thinks they did. You then leave the club but the dispute is outstanding. Surely the club's committee gets to decide the issue?
    Well they can decide you don't get the prize but they can't order you to pay it to someone else. They no longer have jurisdiction over you.
    There are probably other places you could indulge your love of tiddly-winks. On the other hand when it comes to European politics, the EU has a monopoly.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
    I'm sure there are clubs where you don't get your full year's subscription refunded when you resign in April.
    Oh sure and I have no problem with paying our share as we promised. But there are not many clubs that insist you are bound by their constitution after you have left.
    Let's suppose there is a club tiddly-winks competition and you think you won, but another member thinks they did. You then leave the club but the dispute is outstanding. Surely the club's committee gets to decide the issue?
    Well they can decide you don't get the prize but they can't order you to pay it to someone else. They no longer have jurisdiction over you.
    There are probably other places you could indulge your love of tiddly-winks. On the other hand when it comes to European politics, the EU has a monopoly.
    I think you will find that is not so. Indeed the percentage of Europe not subject to EU rules is just about to increase very considerably.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    If Theresa falls it'll be all your fault. I hope your ready!
    It'll all go wrong on July 8th.

    I'm best man at a wedding that day.
    I think you better get the bride and groom to cancel. Tell them to get married in November. The weather may be terrible but nothing ever happens in politics in November...
    There's two grooms at this wedding.

    And I haven't even started on my best man's speech.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Mr Lewis on the naughty step:

    twitter.com/politicshome/status/880449532093501440

    Too busy tweeting crap?
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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited June 2017
    Grrr, I've just discovered that HMRC, in a bid to 'simplify' things, has now decided that if you have any invoices issued in foreign currency, you can no longer use their on-line Corporation Tax submission system for small companies. Utterly bonkers, and it was never the case before.

    So, does anyone have any experience of the commercial systems for filing Corporation Tax returns? Our affairs are extremely simple, so I just need the absolute basics and preferably at very low cost.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    If Theresa falls it'll be all your fault. I hope your ready!
    It'll all go wrong on July 8th.

    I'm best man at a wedding that day.
    I think you better get the bride and groom to cancel. Tell them to get married in November. The weather may be terrible but nothing ever happens in politics in November...
    Hard to believe that the weather in November is going to be much worse than this. Windy, wet, cold, overcast, just horrible.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    Heard rumours cchq are recruiting campaign managers.
    No offence but £25k isn't going to get you Lynton, is it...
    Lynton is a loser. He is not wanted.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Clive Lewis the ONLY Mp to miss the vote. Everyone else who makes up the numbers either voted or could not by convention (Various shades of speaker & deputies)
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    TOPPING said:

    Jonathan said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    Heard rumours cchq are recruiting campaign managers.
    No offence but £25k isn't going to get you Lynton, is it...
    Maybe Lynton's stock has fallen after GE2017 and Zac.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307
    Pulpstar said:

    Clive Lewis the ONLY Mp to miss the vote. Everyone else who makes up the numbers either voted or could not by convention (Various shades of speaker & deputies)

    Was there not 2 Tories missing as well?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,472

    Mr Lewis on the naughty step:

    twitter.com/politicshome/status/880449532093501440

    Too busy tweeting crap?
    In the pub with Justin?
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,071

    Grr, I've just discovered that HMRC, in a bid to 'simplify' things, has now decided that if you have any invoices issued in foreign currency, you can no longer use their on-line Corporation Tax submission system for small companies. Utterly bonkers, and it was never the case before.

    That's been the case for as long as I've known it.
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    FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 76,285

    Mr Lewis on the naughty step:

    twitter.com/politicshome/status/880449532093501440

    Too busy tweeting crap?
    In the pub with Justin?
    LOL
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
    I'm sure there are clubs where you don't get your full year's subscription refunded when you resign in April.
    Oh sure and I have no problem with paying our share as we promised. But there are not many clubs that insist you are bound by their constitution after you have left.
    Let's suppose there is a club tiddly-winks competition and you think you won, but another member thinks they did. You then leave the club but the dispute is outstanding. Surely the club's committee gets to decide the issue?
    Well they can decide you don't get the prize but they can't order you to pay it to someone else. They no longer have jurisdiction over you.
    There are probably other places you could indulge your love of tiddly-winks. On the other hand when it comes to European politics, the EU has a monopoly.
    Ah. Tiddly-winks.

    What other sport allows you to roll on a carpet with members of the opposite sex?
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800
    TOPPING said:

    isam said:

    @stodge pt 2

    "My idea would be to make bookmakers who want FOBTs in their shops re apply for a license as an amusement arcade rather than a bookmaker, and remove their ability to take bets on sport in that shop if such a licence is granted. I predict that Bookmakers such as Ladbrokes, Coral and William Hill would baulk at this, but at the moment they are no more than fences for FOBTs anyway. They wont take bets off people who have any clue about betting, but are happy to let the poorest in society lose their wages in a machine which it is impossible to beat. Strange as it may sound, the name Ladbrokes/Hills/Corals adds a cloak of respectability to the mugging that takes place inside their shops. Attaching their name to an amusement arcade would (a) discourage them from applying as it would damage their brand, and (b) give the authorities the chance to deny permission for the arcade. Either would be a bonus for the man in the street.

    Because they cannot be beaten, the bookies let anybody have anything they like in these machines

    rethink gambling ‏@rethinkgambling Dec 15
    .@Coral You took this from a known #gambling #addict on Friday. Anything to say to his children this Christmas? pic.twitter.com/5JIfztXZrL


    I have written a couple of articles on this deception here

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/luis-louis-ladbrokes-life.html

    and here

    http://aboutasfarasdelgados.blogspot.co.uk/2014/08/you-dont-have-to-be-hypocritical-coward.html

    and here is a blog from a betting shop worker who knows the truth behind the supposed advice to "Bet responsibly"

    https://contributoria.com/issue/2014-12/544128ff96bd93a404000051

    To encourage the existence of a traditional bookmakers, I would offer an tax incentive for those who bet to a low margin and accept large bets in FOBT-less shops. At the moment they bet to very big margins and refuse to take many bets. The betting market in the far east is thriving by accepting enormous bets at low margin, and that is something I feel we could tap into. I have many contacts in the bookmaking game, both poacher and gamekeeper so to speak, and could help pack out a detailed policy if you decide to follow it up.

    If we press this policy I feel it will be both a vote winner and enhance UKIPs reputation as the party that has the interests of the working class at heart"

    And presumably that's why they try to find racing from any old where to show up until 10pm plus their cartoon races...just to keep the doors open for the FOBT punters.
    That is why the likes of Black Type should be encouraged, a proper bookmaker that will take a bet.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    DavidL said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Clive Lewis the ONLY Mp to miss the vote. Everyone else who makes up the numbers either voted or could not by convention (Various shades of speaker & deputies)

    Was there not 2 Tories missing as well?
    No.
    John Bercow speaker,
    Eleanor Laing Ways & Means,
    David Amess Temp Deputy speaker.
    Andrew Griffiths 1st teller
    Mrs Heather Wheeler 2nd teller.
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    TOPPINGTOPPING Posts: 41,311

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
    I'm sure there are clubs where you don't get your full year's subscription refunded when you resign in April.
    Oh sure and I have no problem with paying our share as we promised. But there are not many clubs that insist you are bound by their constitution after you have left.
    Let's suppose there is a club tiddly-winks competition and you think you won, but another member thinks they did. You then leave the club but the dispute is outstanding. Surely the club's committee gets to decide the issue?
    Well they can decide you don't get the prize but they can't order you to pay it to someone else. They no longer have jurisdiction over you.
    There are probably other places you could indulge your love of tiddly-winks. On the other hand when it comes to European politics, the EU has a monopoly.
    Ah. Tiddly-winks.

    What other sport allows you to roll on a carpet with members of the opposite sex?
    Twister?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    TOPPING said:

    DavidL said:

    Item 1 isn't a statement of the obvious. In the absence of any deal to the contrary, the treaties fall away at the end of the Article 50 period, so by default that's the end of any ECJ involvement and jurisdiction.

    It is, however, a reasonable provision as part of a full deal for the post-Brexit relationship. As such, I can't see it being much of a problem. It's the post-Brexit trade deal which matters, not these minor sub-clauses of the trade deal.
    Edit: In fact, it's rather amusing. Having told us that immediately on Brexit we'll just be a third-party country with no special relationship with the EU, they are now busy publishing position papers telling us that they do want us to have a special relationship with the EU, quite unlike any third-party country.
    There does come a point at which you begin to wonder what part of "we're leaving" they didn't get.
    I'm sure there are clubs where you don't get your full year's subscription refunded when you resign in April.
    Oh sure and I have no problem with paying our share as we promised. But there are not many clubs that insist you are bound by their constitution after you have left.
    Let's suppose there is a club tiddly-winks competition and you think you won, but another member thinks they did. You then leave the club but the dispute is outstanding. Surely the club's committee gets to decide the issue?
    Well they can decide you don't get the prize but they can't order you to pay it to someone else. They no longer have jurisdiction over you.
    There are probably other places you could indulge your love of tiddly-winks. On the other hand when it comes to European politics, the EU has a monopoly.
    Ah. Tiddly-winks.

    What other sport allows you to roll on a carpet with members of the opposite sex?
    There was a Scottish Judge, some time ago now, particularly infamous for having relationships with the spouses of others. In his obituary in the Scotsman they commented that he was a well known lover of indoor sports.
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,984
    Mr. England, first I've heard of Black Type.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Gove is nether Urquhart nor Machiavelli.

    More Wile E Coyote.

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    Richard_NabaviRichard_Nabavi Posts: 30,820
    edited June 2017

    Grr, I've just discovered that HMRC, in a bid to 'simplify' things, has now decided that if you have any invoices issued in foreign currency, you can no longer use their on-line Corporation Tax submission system for small companies. Utterly bonkers, and it was never the case before.

    That's been the case for as long as I've known it.
    So HMRC are claiming, but I am quite certain that in previous years I checked the eligibility criteria and it wasn't listed, and they've never complained when the accounts showed an exchange gain or loss. In any case it's bonkers - why on earth does it matter?
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
    Mixed message:

    https://twitter.com/Cartoon4sale/status/880444802445299712

    Ulster propping up May....or under her heel.....unlike Osborne to let that pass....
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,680
    isam said:

    Nowt as queer as folk

    twitter.com/standardnews/status/880449857240084481

    There is a reasonable body of evidence that links homophobia to suppressed homosexuality....
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,307

    isam said:

    Nowt as queer as folk

    twitter.com/standardnews/status/880449857240084481

    There is a reasonable body of evidence that links homophobia to suppressed homosexuality....
    I kinda get what they are talking about. My younger children (13 and 20) are resolutely anti-homophobic and yet use the word "gay" as a form of abuse. When I point out what to me is the obvious inconsistency in this they just assure me that I am old (which is of course true).
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    isam said:

    Nowt as queer as folk

    twitter.com/standardnews/status/880449857240084481

    There is a reasonable body of evidence that links homophobia to suppressed homosexuality....
    Hope arachnophobia doesn't work in the same way.
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    nigel4englandnigel4england Posts: 4,800

    Mr. England, first I've heard of Black Type.

    blacktype.bet

    Will take a bet to win £500, more on request. They promise not to ban winners, though I know of one idiot who complained that he was banned and they were a sham etc, turned out he backed both horses in a 2-horse race!

    geoff-banks.com are a proper old school bookmaker as well
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,984
    Mr. England, thanks. If/when I branch out from my two accounts (still haven't opened any more since I started, in 2009 or even earlier) I'll definitely give them a look.
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    Peter_the_PunterPeter_the_Punter Posts: 13,320

    Mr. England, first I've heard of Black Type.

    blacktype.bet

    Will take a bet to win £500, more on request. They promise not to ban winners, though I know of one idiot who complained that he was banned and they were a sham etc, turned out he backed both horses in a 2-horse race!

    geoff-banks.com are a proper old school bookmaker as well
    Black Type banned me after I took about £300 off them.
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    David_EvershedDavid_Evershed Posts: 6,506
    edited June 2017
    When the coalition took office in 2010, most people recognised that the economy was in a steep dive and that sharp spending cuts had to be made because investors would stop lending to the government.

    That's when we should have cut public sector salaries by 5%-10% depending on the level. Plus slashed government spending on everything else by 5%.

    That way we would have eliminated the deficit within a couple of years at a time when people could see it was necessary.

    Now we still have a deficit of £50bn a year and few people think it is a problem (mistakenly) so it is harder to correct the problem.

    IMF here we come.

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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    If Theresa falls it'll be all your fault. I hope your ready!
    It'll all go wrong on July 8th.

    I'm best man at a wedding that day.
    I think you better get the bride and groom to cancel. Tell them to get married in November. The weather may be terrible but nothing ever happens in politics in November...
    There's two grooms at this wedding.

    And I haven't even started on my best man's speech.
    As a matter of curiosity are there 2 best mens speeches, but no toast for the bridesmaids?
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,288
    Amendment Division: 297-323

    Several more opposition missing today.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,822

    GIN1138 said:

    GIN1138 said:

    ***Prays to a deity whose existence I doubt that the next 18 days are quiet on the political front***

    If Theresa falls it'll be all your fault. I hope your ready!
    It'll all go wrong on July 8th.

    I'm best man at a wedding that day.
    I think you better get the bride and groom to cancel. Tell them to get married in November. The weather may be terrible but nothing ever happens in politics in November...
    There's two grooms at this wedding.

    And I haven't even started on my best man's speech.


    Good for them. :)

    Wouldn't have happened without Cameron and the coalition. :D

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    The_ApocalypseThe_Apocalypse Posts: 7,830
    edited June 2017
    https://twitter.com/derekrootboy/status/880389240743448577
    Do Corbynistas not understand that it's pathetic to act like a member of cult as opposed to an individual capable of independent thinking? UK's answer to Trump 'MAGA' fanatics, but they can't see it.

    I support Chuka Umunna doing this amendment. Can't way to see how sad Corbynistas try to argue that Chuka is a 'Tory' because of this when the men they support are closer to the line of Hard Brexit.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901

    When the coalition took office in 2010, most people recognised that the economy was in a steep dive and that sharp spending cuts had to be made because investors would stop lending to the government.

    That's when we should have cut public sector salaries by 5%-10% depending on the level. Plus slashed government spending on everything else by 5%.

    That way we would have eliminated the deficit within a couple of years at a time when people could see it was necessary.

    Now we still have a deficit of £50bn a year and few people think it is a problem (mistakenly) so it is harder to correct the problem.

    IMF here we come.

    Brexit will get the blame.
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