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edited June 2017 in General

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With BoJo’s comments on fire-brigade cuts while he was Mayor going viral on social media and the assured visit to the Grenfell Tower scene by Corbyn yesterday there’s been a reaction on the PM after TMay betting market on Betfair.

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    1st? Really?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488
    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 7,996
    edited June 2017
    Slowly at first, then all at once.

    Edit: That is how collapse happens.
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    StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092
    How much of that 21% is for May and the conservatives lasting the whole 5 years?
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,229

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Surely the time has come to lay off Mrs May. Talk about kicking someone while they are down!
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    Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 60,988
    Unlikely, assuming the Queen's Speech passes.

    May hangs around a little, then another Conservative becomes leader and, hence, PM.
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    Surely the very best thing that could now happen for the government is for the EU to present a demand for 100 billion euros.

    Unless someone out there believes we should capitulate and pay this, that alone would tell you they are in no way serious and are in effect un-negotiable with.
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Bojo vs Corbyn betting moves in the OP are odd because logically they are unrelated to each other, except that the overall book can't be underround. Each would become prime minister by a different mechanism. As Bojo drifts, other Tories should shorten, whereas Corbyn's odds depend basically on what the DUP decides.

    So at least one price is wrong. Trouble is, I've no idea which. No bet for me.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited June 2017

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Sorry but I suspect this is just media bubble-enthused bollocks.

    The 'interview' of Andra Leadsom by the Sky News 'journalist' this morning was an absolute disgrace. The media are down there, actively stoking people's anger and playing on their grief.

    It's become a truly unsightly witch hunt and I daresay much of the fair-minded public have already moved onto other things in their heads. The grief porn is tiresome.



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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,149
    Third time lucky for Kez's veto hammer?

    https://twitter.com/adamrmcvey/status/875657815959928832

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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    SeanT said:

    I have no idea what Cole is talking about either.

    Twitter cryptologists are almost as bad as Twitter poll rampers.
    Me three
    I think the implication is that Conservative MP's are finding that Mrs May presently enjoys somewhat less support than a KKK enthusiast at the Notting Hill carnival.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    JackW said:

    SeanT said:

    I have no idea what Cole is talking about either.

    Twitter cryptologists are almost as bad as Twitter poll rampers.
    Me three
    I think the implication is that Conservative MP's are finding that Mrs May presently enjoys somewhat less support than a KKK enthusiast at the Notting Hill carnival.
    You don't want to see what my Tory friends are saying on my What'sApp chat.
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    theakestheakes Posts: 842
    If you were the DUP would you want to be associated with this shambolic out of touch bunch called the government?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Surely the time has come to lay off Mrs May. Talk about kicking someone while they are down!
    "Lay off" .... as in P45 ..

    Agreed.
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    StereotomyStereotomy Posts: 4,092

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Surely the time has come to lay off Mrs May. Talk about kicking someone while they are down!
    Well she supposedly redeemed herself with the 1922, and now she's immediately being notably crap again. It's not surprising a few people are thinking "Er, hang on, why did we say we'd keep her on, again?"
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    I expect the MPs writing letters are all paying extra for same day delivery.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    A whole new theory from Mike that May is too toxic even for the DUP!

    Lordy me!
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    You don't want to see what my Tory friends are saying on my What'sApp chat.

    Don't be a tease. Give us at least a redacted version .... :smile:
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    JackW said:

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Surely the time has come to lay off Mrs May. Talk about kicking someone while they are down!
    "Lay off" .... as in P45 ..

    Agreed.
    Chortle.
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    NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    Why on earth should the DUP should vote against the Queen's Speech? It is a 5 year parliament TM will be gone within two years probably a lot less. It will be far more toxic for them to let JC become PM.
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited June 2017

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Surely the time has come to lay off Mrs May. Talk about kicking someone while they are down!
    Yeah don't count Theresa out.

    That bloody difficult woman may just;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToqNa0rqUtY

    I'm not saying it's likely though!
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    It has been a while since we had a Prime Minister from the Lords.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    Thanks for reminding me why I always ignore your suggestions vis-à-vis the Tory party.
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    NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    If May stands down then there should be a temporary competent figure who isn't going to stand in the leadership election then hold leadership contest. If the government falls in the meatime truncate the process.
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    DeClareDeClare Posts: 483
    ''It is conceivable that TMay doesn’t get a majority for her Queen’s Speech next week''

    No Tory would vote against the Queen's Speech, if you ignore the Northern Irish the Tories have a majority of 3.
    Corbyn would have to get all the other opposition parties to line up behind him and even if he could do that, some of the Ulster Unionists would also have to support him and that is inconceivable.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    JackW said:

    You don't want to see what my Tory friends are saying on my What'sApp chat.

    Don't be a tease. Give us at least a redacted version .... :smile:
    ******* ****** ***!!! ****!!! **** *** **** **** *** ***** **** ****?!!! *** *** ** *** ***** ****!!!!!
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    ChrisChris Posts: 11,134

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Sorry but I suspect this is just media bubble-enthused bollocks.

    The 'interview' of Andra Leadsom by the Sky News 'journalist' this morning was an absolute disgrace. The media are down there, actively stoking people's anger and playing on their grief.

    It's become a truly unsightly witch hunt and I daresay much of the fair-minded public have already moved onto other things in their heads. The grief porn is tiresome.
    I raise legitimate concerns about the policies of my opponents.
    You sling mud.
    They hunt witches.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928
    Norm said:

    Why on earth should the DUP should vote against the Queen's Speech? It is a 5 year parliament TM will be gone within two years probably a lot less. It will be far more toxic for them to let JC become PM.

    I read somewhere (I don't know if true) that most DUP supporters are poor working class people who love a bit of state subsidy and cheeky nationalisation. If so, why would they hate the Corbynator so much? After all, the DUP was power sharing with Sinn Fein themselves until very recently, when the deal broke down over Foster's risible handling of the Cash for Ash scandal.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,648
    Pong said:

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Surely the time has come to lay off Mrs May. Talk about kicking someone while they are down!
    Yeah don't count Theresa out.

    That bloody difficult woman may just;

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToqNa0rqUtY

    I'm not saying it's likely though!
    Not so much bloody difficult as bloody useless, I'm afraid.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    Thanks for reminding me why I always ignore your suggestions vis-à-vis the Tory party.
    It was a joke!!
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,261
    calum said:
    Blimey, a member of Corbyn's Opposition actually doing their job.

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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    Why would the Tories be toxic for the DUP when DUP voters are even more diehard unionists than the Tories? Indeed the DUP will likely force concessions from the Tories on the triple lock, the dementia tax, means testing winter fuel allowance and Brexit
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    rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 58,261


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    Thanks for reminding me why I always ignore your suggestions vis-à-vis the Tory party.
    It was a joke!!
    She could be the stalking horse. There'll be one when the time is right.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,311

    Unlikely, assuming the Queen's Speech passes.

    May hangs around a little, then another Conservative becomes leader and, hence, PM.

    That was my immediate thought. This could only happen if May led the Tories into another election and lost. A re-run of the Charge of the Light Brigade with back benchers taking the place of the cavalrymen seems a more likely scenario.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,488


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    Thanks for reminding me why I always ignore your suggestions vis-à-vis the Tory party.
    It was a joke!!
    She could be the stalking horse. There'll be one when the time is right.
    No there won't.

    The Tory leadership rules no longer permit a stalking horse.
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    DeClareDeClare Posts: 483
    theakes said:

    If you were the DUP would you want to be associated with this shambolic out of touch bunch called the government?

    Maybe, maybe not, but they will never be associated with Corbyn, even if they abstain, Tories have a majority for the QS.
    Sinn Fein are absentees remember.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    JackW said:

    You don't want to see what my Tory friends are saying on my What'sApp chat.

    Don't be a tease. Give us at least a redacted version .... :smile:
    ******* ****** ***!!! ****!!! **** *** **** **** *** ***** **** ****?!!! *** *** ** *** ***** ****!!!!!
    I see .... that bad !!
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,309
    Am I hearing right that Jezza has now been booked to sing at Glastonbury? He's enjoying the levels of idolatry that Tony Blair got between 94 and 97 - more so even. Yes, plenty of people are still suspicious of him, or downright hate him, but with the government paralysed and the PM broken how many of them will bother to vote next time? They must be despondent and glum. Meanwhile the Jezza youth juggernaut just keeps ploughing on. What to do?
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,004

    If so, why would they hate the Corbynator so much?

    Arlene Foster was on a bus that got blew up by The 'RA when she was young so she might be a bit salty about JC's unwholesome obsession with men in balaclavas and ill-fitting DPM jackets.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Mrs Weak and Wobbly is staggering along on her zimmer frame . Will no one put her out of a misery ?
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    DeClare said:

    ''It is conceivable that TMay doesn’t get a majority for her Queen’s Speech next week''

    No Tory would vote against the Queen's Speech, if you ignore the Northern Irish the Tories have a majority of 3.
    Corbyn would have to get all the other opposition parties to line up behind him and even if he could do that, some of the Ulster Unionists would also have to support him and that is inconceivable.

    No Conservative MP will vote against the Queen's speech. That is quite right. Have you checked with the British Dental Association that there has not been a sudden upsurge in wisdom tooth extractions?
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    DM_AndyDM_Andy Posts: 332
    When do the Deputy Speakers get chosen, before or after Queen's Speech?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,311
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028

    Am I hearing right that Jezza has now been booked to sing at Glastonbury? He's enjoying the levels of idolatry that Tony Blair got between 94 and 97 - more so even. Yes, plenty of people are still suspicious of him, or downright hate him, but with the government paralysed and the PM broken how many of them will bother to vote next time? They must be despondent and glum. Meanwhile the Jezza youth juggernaut just keeps ploughing on. What to do?

    Corbyn got 262 seats, about same as Kinnock Blair 400 on 1997, not quite the same
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,648

    Am I hearing right that Jezza has now been booked to sing at Glastonbury? He's enjoying the levels of idolatry that Tony Blair got between 94 and 97 - more so even. Yes, plenty of people are still suspicious of him, or downright hate him, but with the government paralysed and the PM broken how many of them will bother to vote next time? They must be despondent and glum. Meanwhile the Jezza youth juggernaut just keeps ploughing on. What to do?

    Nothing.
    His secular sainthood is entirely secure until he achieves actual responsibility for doing stuff.
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    TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    It's become a truly unsightly witch hunt and I daresay much of the fair-minded public have already moved onto other things in their heads. The grief porn is tiresome.

    I reckon we've got a bit to go - a telethon, a facebook of condolence, a charity single and a national public holiday for a grief-a-thon.

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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078
    edited June 2017

    Am I hearing right that Jezza has now been booked to sing at Glastonbury? He's enjoying the levels of idolatry that Tony Blair got between 94 and 97 - more so even. Yes, plenty of people are still suspicious of him, or downright hate him, but with the government paralysed and the PM broken how many of them will bother to vote next time? They must be despondent and glum. Meanwhile the Jezza youth juggernaut just keeps ploughing on. What to do?

    Down wiv da yoof.Iss Run The Jewels starring Killah Mike.

    https://www.skiddle.com/news/all/Jeremy-Corbyn-set-to-introduce-Run-The-Jewels-at-Glastonbury-Festival-2017/31719/
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    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Sorry but I suspect this is just media bubble-enthused bollocks.

    The 'interview' of Andra Leadsom by the Sky News 'journalist' this morning was an absolute disgrace. The media are down there, actively stoking people's anger and playing on their grief.

    It's become a truly unsightly witch hunt and I daresay much of the fair-minded public have already moved onto other things in their heads. The grief porn is tiresome.




    There's some truth in this as I've said on the earlier thread.

    I don't believe May is some robot who doesn't care about the appalling events of this week. And the more important thing she can do in practice isn't to appear on camera putting her hands around shoulders. It's establishing a prompt, thorough inquiry, leaving no stone unturned, acting on all its recommendations, and (before it reports) on any steps needed to ensure the safety of others in tower blocks today. And I don't personally doubt her resolve to do that.

    BUT... it still looks awful and illustrates her awful political judgment. The reason she didn't speak to residents yesterday isn't that she had to rush back to do the admin to set up a public inquiry. She just couldn't face what would be an incredibly uncomfortable, emotionally draining half hour with understandably angry people. It's not her strength and she was able to justify in her own mind not doing it. But you don't get to chose that as PM. You're the leader, people look to you, and you just have to grit your teeth and do it.

    The really worrying thing that is going on is that it's part of May apparently believing she has control over everything. As Osborne put it, she's the Queen of Denial. She has to get over that really fast now and radically change her approach and personality if she's to have any chance of styling it out.

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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    DavidL said:
    Why is the Indy bringing up a 2013 article now ?
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,721


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    If May stands down then there should be a temporary competent figure who isn't going to stand in the leadership election then hold leadership contest. If the government falls in the meatime truncate the process.
    Ken Clarke ?
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited June 2017
    TGOHF said:

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    It's become a truly unsightly witch hunt and I daresay much of the fair-minded public have already moved onto other things in their heads. The grief porn is tiresome.

    I reckon we've got a bit to go - a telethon, a facebook of condolence, a charity single and a national public holiday for a grief-a-thon.

    The Grenfell Tower charity single is already happening:
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-40300269
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,004


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    Thanks for reminding me why I always ignore your suggestions vis-à-vis the Tory party.
    It was a joke!!
    Casino's tampon string is a bit tangled today as he is seeing his beloved Brexit slip away.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,721
    calum said:
    Watching the clip, he wasn't saying it tongue in cheek.
    This will play into the narrative about how out of touch the Tory party is nowadays.
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    Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,309

    DeClare said:

    ''It is conceivable that TMay doesn’t get a majority for her Queen’s Speech next week''

    No Tory would vote against the Queen's Speech, if you ignore the Northern Irish the Tories have a majority of 3.
    Corbyn would have to get all the other opposition parties to line up behind him and even if he could do that, some of the Ulster Unionists would also have to support him and that is inconceivable.

    No Conservative MP will vote against the Queen's speech. That is quite right. Have you checked with the British Dental Association that there has not been a sudden upsurge in wisdom tooth extractions?
    But what about the following scenario? In panic over the Corbyn surge, Theresa stuffs her Queen's Speech with leftist policies: price freezes, re-nationalizations, workers' rights, rent caps, student loan reductions etc. etc. Appalled, Tory MPs can't bring themselves to endorse an obvious sell-out, so the Queen's Speech fails. What then?
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited June 2017
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:
    Why is the Indy bringing up a 2013 article now ?
    Because it feeds into the media narrative.

    Rather than do their job and report, the media smell blood and are driving the agenda towards some sort of climactic event. They probably won't relent now until May is out, or Javid is fired etc.

    There has to be some sacrifice to sate the media-inspired "public anger".

    Britain, in 2017.
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    logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,721
    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:
    Why is the Indy bringing up a 2013 article now ?
    Because it fits.
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    DeClareDeClare Posts: 483

    Unlikely, assuming the Queen's Speech passes.

    May hangs around a little, then another Conservative becomes leader and, hence, PM.

    She can soldier on until the Summer recess which starts on 20th of July and then resign as party leader, but not yet as PM.
    The Conservative party then have nearly seven weeks to sort out a new leader before parliament returns on 5th of September.
    The new leader would then be appointed PM and if the Brexit talks are concluded quickly a another General Election can be called for the Autumn of 2018, the deal with the EU would be a major election issue.
    If there's no deal before the end of March 2019 then we leave the EU without one and the next GE could be on the first Thursday in May.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:
    Why is the Indy bringing up a 2013 article now ?
    Because it feeds into the media narrative.

    Rather than do their job and report, the media smell blood and are driving the agenda towards some sort of climactic event. They probably won't relent now until May is out, or Javid is fired etc.

    There has to be some sacrifice to sate the media-inspired "public anger".

    Britain, in 2017.
    May should do the decent and honourable thing and resign and the rest of this shower of sh1t government should follow .
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    NormNorm Posts: 1,251

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:
    Why is the Indy bringing up a 2013 article now ?
    Because it feeds into the media narrative.

    Rather than do their job and report, the media smell blood and are driving the agenda towards some sort of climactic event. They probably won't relent now until May is out, or Javid is fired etc.

    There has to be some sacrifice to sate the media-inspired "public anger".

    Britain, in 2017.
    Or 2007 - as someone on here pointed out Gordo could originally do no wrong but then he ducked an early election and after that he could do no right.
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    MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 25,229
    The Grenfell Tower fire has proved a hazard for incumbency. Both Mrs May and Khan are suffering from the effect.

    I suppose it could be argued Khan bent over and took the spanking, whereas Mrs May didn't.

    I suggest any Prime Minister would be finding these events uncomfortable. Let's face it Mr Javid and Mrs Leadson have both looked shaky too, and both at one time or another were seen as alternatives to Mrs May.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    TGOHF said:

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    It's become a truly unsightly witch hunt and I daresay much of the fair-minded public have already moved onto other things in their heads. The grief porn is tiresome.

    I reckon we've got a bit to go - a telethon, a facebook of condolence, a charity single and a national public holiday for a grief-a-thon.

    You mean for when Theresa May resigns ?!? .... it's a view ....
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    DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Sorry but I suspect this is just media bubble-enthused bollocks.

    The 'interview' of Andra Leadsom by the Sky News 'journalist' this morning was an absolute disgrace. The media are down there, actively stoking people's anger and playing on their grief.

    It's become a truly unsightly witch hunt and I daresay much of the fair-minded public have already moved onto other things in their heads. The grief porn is tiresome.




    There's some truth in this as I've said on the earlier thread.

    I don't believe May is some robot who doesn't care about the appalling events of this week. And the more important thing she can do in practice isn't to appear on camera putting her hands around shoulders. It's establishing a prompt, thorough inquiry, leaving no stone unturned, acting on all its recommendations, and (before it reports) on any steps needed to ensure the safety of others in tower blocks today. And I don't personally doubt her resolve to do that.

    BUT... it still looks awful and illustrates her awful political judgment. The reason she didn't speak to residents yesterday isn't that she had to rush back to do the admin to set up a public inquiry. She just couldn't face what would be an incredibly uncomfortable, emotionally draining half hour with understandably angry people. It's not her strength and she was able to justify in her own mind not doing it. But you don't get to chose that as PM. You're the leader, people look to you, and you just have to grit your teeth and do it.

    The really worrying thing that is going on is that it's part of May apparently believing she has control over everything. As Osborne put it, she's the Queen of Denial. She has to get over that really fast now and radically change her approach and personality if she's to have any chance of styling it out.

    Theresa May should, today, announce:
    1) an emergency rehousing committee
    2) an emergency programme to check every other block in the country
    3) a review of firefighting measures with budgets for new equipment (it was reported a platform was sent to London from the Surrey brigade)

    ... all with a budget of x million quid and in association with relevant local authorities

    The PM doesn't do emoting with victims, OK, but she needs to establish quickly that she and the government are back in control. In the absence of Nick and Fiona, I offer the above, three-step programme and expect an OBE in return.
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    edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,151

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Suggest to the EU that it would be fun to swap negotiators
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    PatrickPatrick Posts: 225
    The Tory party and the nation are discovering that May is a bit of a dud. She's not an idiot or without good thoughts or intentions. She is just too leaden, robotic and aloof. In our touchy-feely televisual age you need to be able to hang out with normal people. She can't. She's just too other-worldly. Harsh. Unfair. But true. She's becoming the story and there's a new game in town - monstering Theresa. It won't go away. Ever.
    The Tories face a nasty choice. Show loyalty and soldier onwards and downwards. Or be ruthless and get rid at the first sensible moment. As a Tory voter I know what I want. Replace her ASAP.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    edited June 2017





    Theresa May should, today, announce:
    1) an emergency rehousing committee
    2) an emergency programme to check every other block in the country
    3) a review of firefighting measures with budgets for new equipment (it was reported a platform was sent to London from the Surrey brigade)

    ... all with a budget of x million quid and in association with relevant local authorities

    The PM doesn't do emoting with victims, OK, but she needs to establish quickly that she and the government are back in control. In the absence of Nick and Fiona, I offer the above, three-step programme and expect an OBE in return.

    There was also a drone leant by Kent Fire Brigade. Apparently London didn't have one of their own....
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    Blue_rogBlue_rog Posts: 2,019
    Dura_Ace said:


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    Thanks for reminding me why I always ignore your suggestions vis-à-vis the Tory party.
    It was a joke!!
    Casino's tampon string is a bit tangled today as he is seeing his beloved Brexit slip away.
    I really have no idea what you are on about. Sounds misogynistic or sexist or something
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    YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    edited June 2017
    The media have decided that Theresa has to go.

    The right-wing media hate her because she lost the unlosable election.

    Osborne hates her because he is a posh boy bully.

    The left-wing media hate her because she is a Tory.

    Theresa has to go because she has no friends left.

    The Tories now need to show their famed ruthless streak and tell her she steps down in time for conference to elect a new leader.
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    JonathanJonathan Posts: 20,901
    Apparently the real Theresa May resigned weeks ago. What we have now is a stooge wearing her clothes being fed lines via a hidden earpiece.

    Can't confirm the rumour that the stooge is IDS.
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826

    calum said:
    Watching the clip, he wasn't saying it tongue in cheek.
    This will play into the narrative about how out of touch the Tory party is nowadays.
    No it wasn't tongue in cheek it was factual, something Parliamentarians should be during debates in Parliament. People fling around the term "zero hours contract" nowadays like its some form of modern day slavery when in fact it is nothing of the sort to many people who are on those contracts - including wealthy barristers.

    Problems with zero hours contracts should be addressed, the very idea of a zero hours contract by itself should not be.
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    GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 20,826
    There will be at least one more Con Leader/PM after Theresa.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:
    Why is the Indy bringing up a 2013 article now ?
    Because it feeds into the media narrative.

    Rather than do their job and report, the media smell blood and are driving the agenda towards some sort of climactic event. They probably won't relent now until May is out, or Javid is fired etc.

    There has to be some sacrifice to sate the media-inspired "public anger".

    Britain, in 2017.
    May should do the decent and honourable thing and resign and the rest of this shower of sh1t government should follow .
    May and the government got 42% of the vote and almost 60 more seats than Labour whether you like it or not, there may be a new Tory leader before the next general election but the government is not going anywhere
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Pulpstar said:

    DavidL said:
    Why is the Indy bringing up a 2013 article now ?
    Because it fits.
    Its the sort of nonsense I'd expect from Another Angry Voice though. What do zero hours contracts have to do with the price of fish right now though ?
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256
    Dura_Ace said:


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    Thanks for reminding me why I always ignore your suggestions vis-à-vis the Tory party.
    It was a joke!!
    Casino's tampon string is a bit tangled today as he is seeing his beloved Brexit slip away.
    Do not fool yourself. Brexit is not going anywhere.
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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Sorry but I suspect this is just media bubble-enthused bollocks.

    The 'interview' of Andra Leadsom by the Sky News 'journalist' this morning was an absolute disgrace. The media are down there, actively stoking people's anger and playing on their grief.

    It's become a truly unsightly witch hunt and I daresay much of the fair-minded public have already moved onto other things in their heads. The grief porn is tiresome.




    There's some truth in this as I've said on the earlier thread.

    Theresa May should, today, announce:
    1) an emergency rehousing committee
    2) an emergency programme to check every other block in the country
    3) a review of firefighting measures with budgets for new equipment (it was reported a platform was sent to London from the Surrey brigade)

    ... all with a budget of x million quid and in association with relevant local authorities

    The PM doesn't do emoting with victims, OK, but she needs to establish quickly that she and the government are back in control. In the absence of Nick and Fiona, I offer the above, three-step programme and expect an OBE in return.
    She doesn't think that fast, and can't respond to events.

    She might get round to all that. In a few months.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    JackW said:

    SeanT said:

    I have no idea what Cole is talking about either.

    Twitter cryptologists are almost as bad as Twitter poll rampers.
    Me three
    I think the implication is that Conservative MP's are finding that Mrs May presently enjoys somewhat less support than a KKK enthusiast at the Notting Hill carnival.
    You don't want to see what my Tory friends are saying on my What'sApp chat.
    I think you'll find that is exactly what we want to see.
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    DeClareDeClare Posts: 483

    The media have decided that Theresa has to go.

    The right-wing media hate her because she lost the unlosable election.

    Osborne hates her because he is a posh boy bully.

    The left-wing media hate her because she is a Tory.

    Theresa has to go because she has no friends left.

    The Tories now need to show their famed ruthless streak and tell her she steps down in time for conference to elect a new leader.

    Their conference is just a talking shop and leaders are elected by postal vote of members after being whittled down by their MPs to a choice of two.
    But they will want to get a new leader before that conference if they decide not to stick with TM.
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    If May stands down then there should be a temporary competent figure who isn't going to stand in the leadership election then hold leadership contest. If the government falls in the meatime truncate the process.
    Ken Clarke ?
    I'd like that, but as an arch-remainer I doubt he's acceptable.
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    Beverley_CBeverley_C Posts: 6,256

    Have we done this?

    twitter.com/dngbbc/status/875663441171763202

    What choice do we have? It is their way or the highway.....

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    Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 55,395
    Dura_Ace said:


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    Thanks for reminding me why I always ignore your suggestions vis-à-vis the Tory party.
    It was a joke!!
    Casino's tampon string is a bit tangled today as he is seeing his beloved Brexit slip away.
    Slightly ironic coming from a poster whose username sounds like a tampon brand.
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    volcanopetevolcanopete Posts: 2,078


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    If May stands down then there should be a temporary competent figure who isn't going to stand in the leadership election then hold leadership contest. If the government falls in the meatime truncate the process.
    Ken Clarke ?
    Dennis Skinner?
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787

    Theresa May should, today, announce:
    1) an emergency rehousing committee
    2) an emergency programme to check every other block in the country
    3) a review of firefighting measures with budgets for new equipment (it was reported a platform was sent to London from the Surrey brigade)

    ... all with a budget of x million quid and in association with relevant local authorities

    The PM doesn't do emoting with victims, OK, but she needs to establish quickly that she and the government are back in control. In the absence of Nick and Fiona, I offer the above, three-step programme and expect an OBE in return.

    Blimey. You sell yourself cheap. OBE ?!?! .... anyone getting May out of this terminal crisis will receive a hereditary peerage from the PM.

    Waits for stampede from JohnO and AH Matlock .... :smile:
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    PClippPClipp Posts: 2,138

    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.
    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.
    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    Surely the time has come to lay off Mrs May. Talk about kicking someone while they are down!
    Conservatives always kick people when they are down. It`s what they do.
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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    Dura_Ace said:


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    Thanks for reminding me why I always ignore your suggestions vis-à-vis the Tory party.
    It was a joke!!
    Casino's tampon string is a bit tangled today as he is seeing his beloved Brexit slip away.
    Slightly ironic coming from a poster whose username sounds like a tampon brand.
    ? Isn't it a brand of Shimano bike gears?
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    Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826





    Theresa May should, today, announce:
    1) an emergency rehousing committee
    2) an emergency programme to check every other block in the country
    3) a review of firefighting measures with budgets for new equipment (it was reported a platform was sent to London from the Surrey brigade)

    ... all with a budget of x million quid and in association with relevant local authorities

    The PM doesn't do emoting with victims, OK, but she needs to establish quickly that she and the government are back in control. In the absence of Nick and Fiona, I offer the above, three-step programme and expect an OBE in return.

    There was also a drone leant by Kent Fire Brigade. Apparently London didn't have one of their own....
    Given how compact our island is I don't see t he problem with neighbouring areas sharing rapidly moveable rarely used equipment.
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    KentRisingKentRising Posts: 2,850
    SeanT said:

    Patrick said:

    The Tory party and the nation are discovering that May is a bit of a dud. She's not an idiot or without good thoughts or intentions. She is just too leaden, robotic and aloof. In our touchy-feely televisual age you need to be able to hang out with normal people. She can't. She's just too other-worldly. Harsh. Unfair. But true. She's becoming the story and there's a new game in town - monstering Theresa. It won't go away. Ever.
    The Tories face a nasty choice. Show loyalty and soldier onwards and downwards. Or be ruthless and get rid at the first sensible moment. As a Tory voter I know what I want. Replace her ASAP.

    She is, as I've said for a while now, almost certainly on the autistic spectrum (at the high functioning end). Everything fits, from her obstinacy and narrow focus, to her social awkwardness and shyness, her inability to empathise, the robotic phrasing, even the facial grimaces and odd posture.

    People like this can be fabulously successful, behind the scenes - Warren Buffet, Bill Gates - they often make great writers and inventors.

    But as national leaders in a social media age they are calamitously bad.

    She does indeed have to go at some point, and I feel sorry for her. But who replaces??
    Didn't get this with Brown? The autism stuff. I dunno, maybe - maybe - they're just not very good at their jobs (like a lot of people aren't)? There doesn't have to be an 'ism' involved.

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    Bobajob_PBBobajob_PB Posts: 928

    Dura_Ace said:


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    Thanks for reminding me why I always ignore your suggestions vis-à-vis the Tory party.
    It was a joke!!
    Casino's tampon string is a bit tangled today as he is seeing his beloved Brexit slip away.
    Brexit is not going anywhere.
    On that we can agree!!
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929
    Dodds and Foster will have an understanding that May will go shortly I think. On that basis they will vote through the Queens Speech.
    I doubt it will be Davis as he'll be the continuity with the Brexit talks, indeed the fact those are now off indicates to my mind that the new putative leaders won't rock that boat too much. Boris and Hammond I think might well be the final two, with Davis taking a senior role to either.

    Of course that all might be completely wrong.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 75,929

    Dura_Ace said:


    Disquiet with Mrs May is becoming a crescendo.

    Her performance at Grenfell towers is becoming an issue.

    How do you solve a problem like Theresa?

    https://twitter.com/MrHarryCole/status/875678337221394432

    By coming up with a new Tory leader that commands support of all wings of the Party, can connect with the public, deliver Brexit, and honour the best principles and ideas in the manifesto.

    Is there such a person?
    Anna Soubry?
    Thanks for reminding me why I always ignore your suggestions vis-à-vis the Tory party.
    It was a joke!!
    Casino's tampon string is a bit tangled today as he is seeing his beloved Brexit slip away.
    Slightly ironic coming from a poster whose username sounds like a tampon brand.
    ? Isn't it a brand of Shimano bike gears?
    Top quality gears.
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    JackWJackW Posts: 14,787
    HYUFD said:

    May and the government got 42% of the vote and almost 60 more seats than Labour whether you like it or not, there may be a new Tory leader before the next general election but the government is not going anywhere

    Until the DUP decide otherwise. The Conservatives are not masters of their own fate.
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    NorthofStokeNorthofStoke Posts: 1,758
    SeanT said:

    Patrick said:

    The Tory party and the nation are discovering that May is a bit of a dud. She's not an idiot or without good thoughts or intentions. She is just too leaden, robotic and aloof. In our touchy-feely televisual age you need to be able to hang out with normal people. She can't. She's just too other-worldly. Harsh. Unfair. But true. She's becoming the story and there's a new game in town - monstering Theresa. It won't go away. Ever.
    The Tories face a nasty choice. Show loyalty and soldier onwards and downwards. Or be ruthless and get rid at the first sensible moment. As a Tory voter I know what I want. Replace her ASAP.

    She is, as I've said for a while now, almost certainly on the autistic spectrum (at the high functioning end). Everything fits, from her obstinacy and narrow focus, to her social awkwardness and shyness, her inability to empathise, the robotic phrasing, even the facial grimaces and odd posture.

    People like this can be fabulously successful, behind the scenes - Warren Buffet, Bill Gates - they often make great writers and inventors.

    But as national leaders in a social media age they are calamitously bad.

    She does indeed have to go at some point, and I feel sorry for her. But who replaces??
    If Ken Clarke is prepared to let David Davis continue then it would be the best solution as he is guaranteed to be temporary till a proper leadership election is called, is popular and would wipe the floor with Corbyn. He also exudes competence and a steady nerve.
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    IanB2IanB2 Posts: 47,292
    I still think Mrs M is intent on getting past the QS and into the summer recess, and is then likely to resign. She shows no sign that either her mind or her heart is truly engaged with the challenges she faces, and must know enough about politics to know that the reputation she has now gained will be near impossible to lose.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,028
    edited June 2017
    SeanT said:

    Patrick said:

    The Tory party and the nation are discovering that May is a bit of a dud. She's not an idiot or without good thoughts or intentions. She is just too leaden, robotic and aloof. In our touchy-feely televisual age you need to be able to hang out with normal people. She can't. She's just too other-worldly. Harsh. Unfair. But true. She's becoming the story and there's a new game in town - monstering Theresa. It won't go away. Ever.
    The Tories face a nasty choice. Show loyalty and soldier onwards and downwards. Or be ruthless and get rid at the first sensible moment. As a Tory voter I know what I want. Replace her ASAP.

    She is, as I've said for a while now, almost certainly on the autistic spectrum (at the high functioning end). Everything fits, from her obstinacy and narrow focus, to her social awkwardness and shyness, her inability to empathise, the robotic phrasing, even the facial grimaces and odd posture.

    People like this can be fabulously successful, behind the scenes - Warren Buffet, Bill Gates - they often make great writers and inventors.

    But as national leaders in a social media age they are calamitously bad.

    She does indeed have to go at some point, and I feel sorry for her. But who replaces??
    Indeed, though gaving won 42% she can at least say she won a higher voteshare for the Tories than they have had since 1992 when she departs. What the Tories need us someone who can hold that 42% as Major held almost all Maggie's 42% from 1987 to keep out Kinnock again in 1992
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    NormNorm Posts: 1,251
    Pulpstar said:

    Dodds and Foster will have an understanding that May will go shortly I think. On that basis they will vote through the Queens Speech.
    I doubt it will be Davis as he'll be the continuity with the Brexit talks, indeed the fact those are now off indicates to my mind that the new putative leaders won't rock that boat too much. Boris and Hammond I think might well be the final two, with Davis taking a senior role to either.

    Of course that all might be completely wrong.

    To be honest I think the DUP will be as happy with the socially conservative vicar's daughter as any alternative. It's the rest of us..
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    PatrickPatrick Posts: 225
    SeanT said:

    Patrick said:

    The Tory party and the nation are discovering that May is a bit of a dud. She's not an idiot or without good thoughts or intentions. She is just too leaden, robotic and aloof. In our touchy-feely televisual age you need to be able to hang out with normal people. She can't. She's just too other-worldly. Harsh. Unfair. But true. She's becoming the story and there's a new game in town - monstering Theresa. It won't go away. Ever.
    The Tories face a nasty choice. Show loyalty and soldier onwards and downwards. Or be ruthless and get rid at the first sensible moment. As a Tory voter I know what I want. Replace her ASAP.

    She is, as I've said for a while now, almost certainly on the autistic spectrum (at the high functioning end). Everything fits, from her obstinacy and narrow focus, to her social awkwardness and shyness, her inability to empathise, the robotic phrasing, even the facial grimaces and odd posture.

    People like this can be fabulously successful, behind the scenes - Warren Buffet, Bill Gates - they often make great writers and inventors.

    But as national leaders in a social media age they are calamitously bad.

    She does indeed have to go at some point, and I feel sorry for her. But who replaces??
    Kwasi Kwarteng
    David Davis
    Steve Baker
    Dominic Raab
    etc
    There's any number of good, sensible and EMPATHETIC Tories to choose from.
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