Tom Newton Dunn: Queen's Speech could be delayed despite already in HM's diary for 19th. No10: "There will be an update from the Leader of the House shortly"
I don't see it. Either Theresa May goes quite quickly or she has time to rebuild her position. She won't be easily ousted in a year's time once the new modus vivendi has been established.
Hold on until 2022, get a majority, ditch her. That would be the ideal. How achievable goodness knows.
I think the Blues would love to hold on until 2022. but I think the chances of them letting May be the one to lead them into that election is close to 0. so I think the latest she would be replaced is 2020.
Can someone explain the situation with boundary changes please? Will legislation automatically come into place in 2018 or will there be a vote. If a vote what odds do people think of changes being agreed with current make-up of parliament?
Mrs May will find her room for manoeuvre severely curtailed.....if it works, we'll see a return of Cabinet government, which would be a good thing - hopefully the prospect of a Labour Corbyn landslide in any immediate GE will concentrate minds in the Cabinet. I suspect Mr Green will be happy to tell Theresa when 'enough's enough', to borrow a phrase.....
Sums it up entirely. The Tories have to be united (in public) as never before. Any squabbles are simply creating an opportunity for Corbyn. They have to consider what they'd prefer - Corbyn as PM or not. I'd prefer the not. With a rather baffling tendency on the part of the general public to vote for policies that to Tory minds are complete lunacy the risks of any dissent simply aren't worth taking. Even Soubry needs to bite her tongue.
Any change of leadership should be considered only when the government is well established - say in three years time. That should give plenty of time for Labour to do a whole host of daft things.
I don't see it. Either Theresa May goes quite quickly or she has time to rebuild her position. She won't be easily ousted in a year's time once the new modus vivendi has been established.
Agree. If TM remains PM she will have to do the job of PM. As time passes the memory of the election shock will recede and new, current issues will draw away attention.
Chipping Barnett was a fairly amazing result for Labour. It's worth noting that Open Britain's 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th target scalps were all taken, with number 6 only just missed:
Re best and worst results, for the Tories I'd say Gordon was a better result than Banff but perhaps the seat that most strikingly shows their detoxification and progress in Scotland, despite just missing out by a few votes is Lanarkshire and Hamilton East and share increases in nearby seats like East Kilbride, Leshmagow etc. In terms of vast overperfoamce in England compared to the overall, Sunderland Central, Ashfield etc were very strong results for them, failing to win Barrow and losing Plymouth were awful results as was the collapse of some of the ultra marginals to safe labour seats. Birmingham Edgbaston without having to face Gisela Stuart was a truly dire result.
If May survives to the Autumn she'll be there until at least Spring 2019... A leadership contest half-way through Brexit negotiations is highly unlikely to say the least.
The EEA agreement includes EU legislation. Who governs EU legislation?
No. All interpretation of the EEA Agreement for EFTA members is made by the EFTA Court. They do not have to accept ECJ rulings in their decision making. The ECJ has no power to enforce their rulings upon EFTA members.
Yep - it is a very good point. Labour hubris is all over the place at the moment. To win next time Labour have to convince current Tory voters to switch sides. Just assuming they will is not a good idea. That said, the economic crosswinds and Brexit generally are going to be very, very difficult for the Tories over the coming years.
Can you point me to this extreme hubris you are witnessing?
A refusal to accept that Labour lost the election. Labour did much better than expected. This miserable government and its leader were humiliated. But Labour came second in votes, vote share and seats. Too many are getting ahead of themselves. Hopefully, it is only the initial, natural reaction to something that no-one imagined might happen.
When you think you are about to be killed off politically forever,then to find out the next morning not only that you have survived but are only 1 goal down and the home leg to come in your European fixture no wonder you are over the moon.
I completely agree. But then you have to get back into training, prepare for the second leg and work out how you are going to score the two goals you need to win (if you don't concede!)
Some Labour supporters on here are being needlessly gloomy - this is Black Wednesday territory for the Tories. Theresa's reputation has been blown to pieces and with it the credibility of the many Tories who strapped themselves to the brand - 'Mummy' for crying out loud! As for Brexit: it now has the feel of disaster management about it. Jezza will win the next election through natural political drift if nothing else, but it will probably be by a landslide as the public desert the Tories in droves. What a bugger's muddle.
Erm, didn't Black Wednesday turn out to be rather good for the Tories.
It certainly was for the economy as we pulled out of the ERM.
If you can call losing 178 seats 'rather good' then you have a point.
What about the economy? How did that perform once we got out of the ERM?
Chipping Barnett was a fairly amazing result for Labour. It's worth noting that Open Britain's 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 7th target scalps were all taken, with number 6 only just missed:
It's interesting because I've seen media reports suggesting some of the Cabinet appointments show May is softening her stance on Brexit yet I've also seen other reports saying bringing Gove back is to try and shore up May's hard Brexit position.
I don't see it. Either Theresa May goes quite quickly or she has time to rebuild her position. She won't be easily ousted in a year's time once the new modus vivendi has been established.
Hold on until 2022, get a majority, ditch her. That would be the ideal. How achievable goodness knows.
I think the Blues would love to hold on until 2022. but I think the chances of them letting May be the one to lead them into that election is close to 0. so I think the latest she would be replaced is 2020.
Can someone explain the situation with boundary changes please? Will legislation automatically come into place in 2018 or will there be a vote. If a vote what odds do people think of changes being agreed with current make-up of parliament?
I thought that, following a new election, the boundary commissions would start again with the 2017 electoral roll as the starting point. But I might be wrong.
I do know that there would have to be a vote, and PBs Unionist correspondent from Northern Ireland assures us that there is no chance of the DUP voting for the current proposed set of boundaries, so one way or another they are dead.
@tnewtondunn: PM has invited @RuthDavidsonMSP to attend Political Cabinet today. Highlights her ever greater role as a powerbroker.
Good.
My suggestion: the party should appoint Ruth Davidson to a special role where she has particular responsibility for re-engaging with young voters in the whole of Great Britain, especially using social media. I think she's the one senior figure who would get a good hearing.
Tories: Banff / High Peak Labour: Canterbury / Mansfield Lib Dem: Norfolk North / Hallam SNP: Perth & North Perthshire / Glasgow North East
Worst LD result is surely Fife NE!
Losing Ceredigion? No Liberal seat in Wales for over 100 years?
I never thought I'd say this but the party I feel most confident about making electoral progress at the next GE is the LibDems. They had a poor campaign and a poor leader. Lost 50% of their voters from 2015 (if I read that Ashcroft post-GE poll correctly) but still got 50% more seats and lost under 10% votes in total.
Next time, I expect a better leader, better campaign and a much more effective scrutiny of what Labour are offering. instead of fighting 20 by-elections and winning 12 on an 8% share, I can see them winning 20 from 30 on a 12% share.
Small steps but they are the only party that I think will definitely get more seats next time.
The EEA agreement includes EU legislation. Who governs EU legislation?
No. All interpretation of the EEA Agreement for EFTA members is made by the EFTA Court. They do not have to accept ECJ rulings in their decision making. The ECJ has no power to enforce their rulings upon EFTA members.
Supranational Court A determining our destiny = bad Supranational Court B determining our destiny = good
Good luck with that. If you are still on the head of the pin by then, that is.
@tnewtondunn: PM has invited @RuthDavidsonMSP to attend Political Cabinet today. Highlights her ever greater role as a powerbroker.
Good.
My suggestion: the party should appoint Ruth Davidson to a special role where she has particular responsibility for re-engaging with young voters in the whole of Great Britain, especially using social media. I think she's the one senior figure who would get a good hearing.
@tnewtondunn: PM has invited @RuthDavidsonMSP to attend Political Cabinet today. Highlights her ever greater role as a powerbroker.
Good.
My suggestion: the party should appoint Ruth Davidson to a special role where she has particular responsibility for re-engaging with young voters in the whole of Great Britain, especially using social media. I think she's the one senior figure who would get a good hearing.
Take your one star media performer and turn her into the lightning rod for all the disaffection heading your way? That reeks of desperation.
The most extraordinary thing about many of the comments on Brexit both here and in the media, and by some politicians, is that people are STILL talking as though the form of Brexit is something which we can unilaterally decide here in the UK. That is utterly delusional.
Well put. The UK is now a wounded animal much less able to defend itself against the EU wolves. The form of Brexit will be decided in Berlin and presented a single "take it or leave it" option in Brussels.
Some Labour supporters on here are being needlessly gloomy - this is Black Wednesday territory for the Tories. Theresa's reputation has been blown to pieces and with it the credibility of the many Tories who strapped themselves to the brand - 'Mummy' for crying out loud! As for Brexit: it now has the feel of disaster management about it. Jezza will win the next election through natural political drift if nothing else, but it will probably be by a landslide as the public desert the Tories in droves. What a bugger's muddle.
Erm, didn't Black Wednesday turn out to be rather good for the Tories.
It certainly was for the economy as we pulled out of the ERM.
Better for the economy than for the Tories. (Although, as with all these things, sorting out cause and effect is difficult. The period from 1992 to 2000 was a period of rapid economic growth across the developed world. And that can't all be due to White Wednesday.)
The other major problem with a DUP alliance aside from their appalling views on social matters is Arlene Foster. However they sell it, a woman who is not in parliament and nobody voted for holds balance of power. To a lesser extent as she's in the same party, Ruth's influence might become resented.
@tnewtondunn: PM has invited @RuthDavidsonMSP to attend Political Cabinet today. Highlights her ever greater role as a powerbroker.
Good.
My suggestion: the party should appoint Ruth Davidson to a special role where she has particular responsibility for re-engaging with young voters in the whole of Great Britain, especially using social media. I think she's the one senior figure who would get a good hearing.
I don't agree with her on some matters - the EU being the main one of course - but I do think she has proven herself a star when dealing with the undoubtedly charismatic Sturgeon in an environment where there has been long term widespread hostility to the Tories. The results speak for themselves.
@tnewtondunn: PM has invited @RuthDavidsonMSP to attend Political Cabinet today. Highlights her ever greater role as a powerbroker.
Good.
My suggestion: the party should appoint Ruth Davidson to a special role where she has particular responsibility for re-engaging with young voters in the whole of Great Britain, especially using social media. I think she's the one senior figure who would get a good hearing.
Take your one star media performer and turn her into the lightning rod for all the disaffection heading your way? That reeks of desperation.
Good point - look how quickly Nikkla's star has waned despite the endless selfies.
The EEA agreement includes EU legislation. Who governs EU legislation?
No. All interpretation of the EEA Agreement for EFTA members is made by the EFTA Court. They do not have to accept ECJ rulings in their decision making. The ECJ has no power to enforce their rulings upon EFTA members.
Supranational Court A determining our destiny = bad Supranational Court B determining our destiny = good
Good luck with that. If you are still on the head of the pin by then, that is.
This seems to be more to the point. How is the UK being obliged to follow EFTA Court determined case law more acceptable than being obliged to follow CJEU determined case law?
If May has to postpone the Queens Speech (because she hasn't got the numbers to get it through) will HMQ be compelled to send for Jezza to see what he can do?
The EEA agreement includes EU legislation. Who governs EU legislation?
No. All interpretation of the EEA Agreement for EFTA members is made by the EFTA Court. They do not have to accept ECJ rulings in their decision making. The ECJ has no power to enforce their rulings upon EFTA members.
Supranational Court A determining our destiny = bad Supranational Court B determining our destiny = good
Good luck with that. If you are still on the head of the pin by then, that is.
So changing your tune and admitting you were wrong - good, that is a start at least.
Supranational court B (the EFTA court) is strictly limited in the areas over which in can pass judgement (the specific areas of the Single Market covered by the EEEA agreement) and it cannot expand its own scope or extent. In that way it is like many other international courts and adjudicators which we are party to. I have no problem with that.
The ECJ has a massively wider remit covering almost every aspect of life within the EU. It can and does expand its scope and influence as it sees fit and has a role which is not simply to adjudicate but to increase the power and influence of the EU over the member states.
There is simply no comparison between the two no matter how much Eurofanatics like yourself might try to claim one.
The EEA agreement includes EU legislation. Who governs EU legislation?
No. All interpretation of the EEA Agreement for EFTA members is made by the EFTA Court. They do not have to accept ECJ rulings in their decision making. The ECJ has no power to enforce their rulings upon EFTA members.
Supranational Court A determining our destiny = bad Supranational Court B determining our destiny = good
Good luck with that. If you are still on the head of the pin by then, that is.
This seems to be more to the point. How is the UK being obliged to follow EFTA Court determined case law more acceptable than being obliged to follow CJEU determined case law?
Presumably because we have 5 times the population of the existing EFTA countries and the assumption is that we could walk all over them.
If May has to postpone the Queens Speech (because she hasn't got the numbers to get it through) will HMQ be compelled to send for Jezza to see what he can do?
If she's doing it without her majesty's approval, HMQ may well send for him. You don't just tell the Queen she's not turning up on Monday.
@tnewtondunn: PM has invited @RuthDavidsonMSP to attend Political Cabinet today. Highlights her ever greater role as a powerbroker.
Good.
My suggestion: the party should appoint Ruth Davidson to a special role where she has particular responsibility for re-engaging with young voters in the whole of Great Britain, especially using social media. I think she's the one senior figure who would get a good hearing.
The Labour social media operation did not really exist. It was totally ad hoc. That is what made it so powerful. The Tories are much better advised to find some young folk who can get the ball rolling and leave them to it.
If May has to postpone the Queens Speech (because she hasn't got the numbers to get it through) will HMQ be compelled to send for Jezza to see what he can do?
I guess so... although that seems uplikely to happen to..
Mr Eagles' mate is having a bad GE. Schadenfreude may be enjoyable, but it marks him out as a bad loser. Yes, she sacked you, but don't behave like a teenager. As well as having a face that needs a good smack, Osbourne of the fifth remove isn't a good look. (What is the fifth remove anyway).
If he needs another job, I've got a wall that needs papering.
BTW, if Corbyn becomes PM, I will accept the result. Even if he loses some support three months later, I won't be demanding a new election, or supporting a legal challenge against him because I didn't like the result.
Another factor that helped him is the Trump/ Brexit feeling that the Establishment only allow us a narrow range of choices. Mainstream he is not, it's just a pity that he's barmy.
Oops! There's me virtue-signalling again. I'll do a hundred lines if it doesn't breach my human rights.
I wonder if now is a good time to bet on May still being Tory leader at the next election.
As much as people are talking like any replacement for her would be an improvement in electoral terms, this isn't at all obvious to me. Do people really think Hammond or Rudd or Gove would have more popular appeal?
... people are STILL talking as though the form of Brexit is something which we can unilaterally decide here in the UK
I agree with 95% of that. The 5% of disagreement is that in one respect we do have a choice - accept what we are GIVEN or walk away. That is our only choice and as choices go, it really is a rubbish one.
@tnewtondunn: PM has invited @RuthDavidsonMSP to attend Political Cabinet today. Highlights her ever greater role as a powerbroker.
Good.
My suggestion: the party should appoint Ruth Davidson to a special role where she has particular responsibility for re-engaging with young voters in the whole of Great Britain, especially using social media. I think she's the one senior figure who would get a good hearing.
Yes, she can speak their language of beat combos, reefers and discotheques.
Tories: Banff / High Peak Labour: Canterbury / Mansfield Lib Dem: Norfolk North / Hallam SNP: Perth & North Perthshire / Glasgow North East
Worst LD result is surely Fife NE!
Worst result has to be one that lost to the Tories and gave them an extra seat so it has to be Richmond Park or St Ives.
I'd say Richmond Park because it gave Zac a seat and it was an unnecessary loss. The Labour vote went up from 1,500 in the by election to 5,773 last Thursday. Just 1% of them voting tactically would have reduced the Tory seats by a critical one. I hope Labour voters have learned a lesson.
Extract from Sarah Olney's statement:
I wish Mr Goldsmith well in his resumed role as our MP, but I know I am not the only local resident who feels some disquiet at the overall result and its implications for the country. Many voters will have backed Mr Goldsmith because of the promise of "strong and stable leadership in the national interest" and because Mrs May was the most credible person to lead Britain into the Brexit negotiations. As a result of this unnecessary election, the country is now in disarray, and our hand in the fast-approaching negotiations has been weakened. Voters are entitled to feel cheated.
The proposed partnership with the DUP will also cause some concern . I hope that the partnership will not include any concessions on gay rights, action on climate change or the right to access abortions. But the real concern is for the Good Friday Agreement, under which the British Government is supposed to remain neutral. The collapse of the power-sharing agreement earlier this year was a setback for the province, especially in the light of the threat that Brexit represents to the 'soft' border, and a Government breach of the Agreement will further undermine efforts to restore stability to Northern Ireland.
But my greatest concern is for what the election result means for local people. Mr Goldsmith now has a very slim majority, in a Parliament that is extremely vulnerable to being dissolved. Will Mr Goldsmith stand up for local people, against the Government, as he promised? When the National Policy Statement on aviation comes before the Commons later this year, can Mr Goldsmith risk voting against the Government, knowing that any failure to get legislation passed might trigger a new General Election? Will he challenge them to produce the extra funding that our schools and hospitals need? Time will tell, and Mr Goldsmith can be sure that the Liberal Democrats will be watching closely.
The EEA agreement includes EU legislation. Who governs EU legislation?
No. All interpretation of the EEA Agreement for EFTA members is made by the EFTA Court. They do not have to accept ECJ rulings in their decision making. The ECJ has no power to enforce their rulings upon EFTA members.
Supranational Court A determining our destiny = bad Supranational Court B determining our destiny = good
Good luck with that. If you are still on the head of the pin by then, that is.
This seems to be more to the point. How is the UK being obliged to follow EFTA Court determined case law more acceptable than being obliged to follow CJEU determined case law?
Presumably because we have 5 times the population of the existing EFTA countries and the assumption is that we could walk all over them.
The court is the court and is independent. The only way we walk all over it is to get a majority of the judges sitting on the bench. And that would require other countries to agree. And the judges would still be largely interpreting law made in Europe, not in the UK.
On that note, I'm tempted by Jo Swinson at 3.5 to be next Lib Dem leader.
I think Cable's past it, and whilst I rate Lamb, he lost last time.
Thoughts?
Mr Dancer, I am told that a good way to pick Stocks and Shares is to sellotape the FTSE100 page from the FT to the back of a door and throw darts at it. Whatever stock a dart hits you buy. Apparently this method gets as good a return as most Fund Managers.
What about throwing darts at pictures of the contenders? It may work and it may even be theraputic!
The EEA agreement includes EU legislation. Who governs EU legislation?
No. All interpretation of the EEA Agreement for EFTA members is made by the EFTA Court. They do not have to accept ECJ rulings in their decision making. The ECJ has no power to enforce their rulings upon EFTA members.
Supranational Court A determining our destiny = bad Supranational Court B determining our destiny = good
Good luck with that. If you are still on the head of the pin by then, that is.
This seems to be more to the point. How is the UK being obliged to follow EFTA Court determined case law more acceptable than being obliged to follow CJEU determined case law?
Presumably because we have 5 times the population of the existing EFTA countries and the assumption is that we could walk all over them.
No it is because the remit of the EFTA court is strictly limited and cannot be changed as it is bound by treaty. The same does not apply to the ECJ.
On that sort of note, there's a market on Betfair Exchange for PM after election, which hasn't been settled yet. I'd suggest reading the rules carefully, but May has a lay value of 1.14. If the Queen's speech has been delayed, that must be tempting, assuming the rules fit.
The Labour social media operation did not really exist. It was totally ad hoc. That is what made it so powerful. The Tories are much better advised to find some young folk who can get the ball rolling and leave them to it.
As far as I can tell, the official Labour social-media operation wasn't anything special, but it does sound as though Momentum were working very effectively in the background. No doubt this will be the subject of much study over the next few months.
If May has to postpone the Queens Speech (because she hasn't got the numbers to get it through) will HMQ be compelled to send for Jezza to see what he can do?
I guess so... although that seems uplikely to happen to..
New elections anyone?
Yep. She can send for Jezza but he clearly doesn't have the numbers to get a QS through either, so then what happens?
New elections the only possibility.
We could be in a new election campaign by the end of June!
The EEA agreement includes EU legislation. Who governs EU legislation?
No. All interpretation of the EEA Agreement for EFTA members is made by the EFTA Court. They do not have to accept ECJ rulings in their decision making. The ECJ has no power to enforce their rulings upon EFTA members.
Supranational Court A determining our destiny = bad Supranational Court B determining our destiny = good
Good luck with that. If you are still on the head of the pin by then, that is.
This seems to be more to the point. How is the UK being obliged to follow EFTA Court determined case law more acceptable than being obliged to follow CJEU determined case law?
ECJ rulings are not bound by case law. They are bound by interpretation of the treaties.
The most extraordinary thing about many of the comments on Brexit both here and in the media, and by some politicians, is that people are STILL talking as though the form of Brexit is something which we can unilaterally decide here in the UK. That is utterly delusional.
Well put. The UK is now a wounded animal much less able to defend itself against the EU wolves. The form of Brexit will be decided in Berlin and presented a single "take it or leave it" option in Brussels.
You're both assuming that the EU want to punish us for leaving. Isn't it more likely that they will want to get a deal which is good enough for both sides whilst not encouraging others to also leave. I don't think that they would cut off their nose to spite their face.
The other major problem with a DUP alliance aside from their appalling views on social matters is Arlene Foster. However they sell it, a woman who is not in parliament and nobody voted for holds balance of power. To a lesser extent as she's in the same party, Ruth's influence might become resented.
Tories: Banff / High Peak Labour: Canterbury / Mansfield Lib Dem: Norfolk North / Hallam SNP: Perth & North Perthshire / Glasgow North East
Worst LD result is surely Fife NE!
Losing Ceredigion? No Liberal seat in Wales for over 100 years?
I never thought I'd say this but the party I feel most confident about making electoral progress at the next GE is the LibDems. They had a poor campaign and a poor leader. Lost 50% of their voters from 2015 (if I read that Ashcroft post-GE poll correctly) but still got 50% more seats and lost under 10% votes in total.
Next time, I expect a better leader, better campaign and a much more effective scrutiny of what Labour are offering. instead of fighting 20 by-elections and winning 12 on an 8% share, I can see them winning 20 from 30 on a 12% share.
Small steps but they are the only party that I think will definitely get more seats next time.
I think that the Lib Dems are still in a precarious position. They lost five of the nine seats they held at dissolution and could easily have lost a sixth. If they lose two-thirds of the seats they currently hold at the next GE they are not guaranteed to make gains to offset those losses.
Mrs C, when I was a schoolboy a friend of mine and I used to regularly pin a photo of a celebrity to a dartboard and get points for hitting various parts.
The EEA agreement includes EU legislation. Who governs EU legislation?
No. All interpretation of the EEA Agreement for EFTA members is made by the EFTA Court. They do not have to accept ECJ rulings in their decision making. The ECJ has no power to enforce their rulings upon EFTA members.
Supranational Court A determining our destiny = bad Supranational Court B determining our destiny = good
Good luck with that. If you are still on the head of the pin by then, that is.
This seems to be more to the point. How is the UK being obliged to follow EFTA Court determined case law more acceptable than being obliged to follow CJEU determined case law?
Presumably because we have 5 times the population of the existing EFTA countries and the assumption is that we could walk all over them.
The court is the court and is independent. The only way we walk all over it is to get a majority of the judges sitting on the bench. And that would require other countries to agree. And the judges would still be largely interpreting law made in Europe, not in the UK.
As I say on a strictly limited set of trade points which cannot be expanded. The difference with the ECJ is stark.
If May has to postpone the Queens Speech (because she hasn't got the numbers to get it through) will HMQ be compelled to send for Jezza to see what he can do?
I guess so... although that seems uplikely to happen to..
New elections anyone?
Yep. She can send for Jezza but he clearly doesn't have the numbers to get a QS through either, so then what happens?
New elections the only possibility.
We could be in a new election campaign by the end of June!
Can the Opposition force a vote on No Confidence? They should do it before DUP deal is sewn up if they want a new GE.
If May has to postpone the Queens Speech (because she hasn't got the numbers to get it through) will HMQ be compelled to send for Jezza to see what he can do?
I guess so... although that seems uplikely to happen to..
New elections anyone?
Yep. She can send for Jezza but he clearly doesn't have the numbers to get a QS through either, so then what happens?
New elections the only possibility.
We could be in a new election campaign by the end of June!
Can the Opposition force a vote on No Confidence? They should do it before DUP deal is sewn up if they want a new GE.
Parliament won't be sitting if no deal is sewn up, she can't guarantee passing a QS without it, hence trying to delay. No no confidence vote is possible until parliament meets and then the first vote is QS which is a de facto vote of confidence.
The EEA agreement includes EU legislation. Who governs EU legislation?
No. All interpretation of the EEA Agreement for EFTA members is made by the EFTA Court. They do not have to accept ECJ rulings in their decision making. The ECJ has no power to enforce their rulings upon EFTA members.
Supranational Court A determining our destiny = bad Supranational Court B determining our destiny = good
Good luck with that. If you are still on the head of the pin by then, that is.
So changing your tune and admitting you were wrong - good, that is a start at least.
Supranational court B (the EFTA court) is strictly limited in the areas over which in can pass judgement (the specific areas of the Single Market covered by the EEEA agreement) and it cannot expand its own scope or extent. In that way it is like many other international courts and adjudicators which we are party to. I have no problem with that.
The ECJ has a massively wider remit covering almost every aspect of life within the EU. It can and does expand its scope and influence as it sees fit and has a role which is not simply to adjudicate but to increase the power and influence of the EU over the member states.
There is simply no comparison between the two no matter how much Eurofanatics like yourself might try to claim one.
"There is simply no comparison between the two."
It is nearly a year since I worried about the nuances of which supranational court that we are subservient to does what and the fact that you are trying to make a distinction that no one else in the UK will make shows how desperate you are. Comically so.
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Any change of leadership should be considered only when the government is well established - say in three years time. That should give plenty of time for Labour to do a whole host of daft things.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/20-mps-remain-campaigners-hit-10290367
In terms of vast overperfoamce in England compared to the overall, Sunderland Central, Ashfield etc were very strong results for them, failing to win Barrow and losing Plymouth were awful results as was the collapse of some of the ultra marginals to safe labour seats. Birmingham Edgbaston without having to face Gisela Stuart was a truly dire result.
If May survives to the Autumn she'll be there until at least Spring 2019... A leadership contest half-way through Brexit negotiations is highly unlikely to say the least.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/874218586155479040
I suspect that Jewish voters kept it (and the other Barnet seats) in the Conservative camp, this time round.
It's interesting because I've seen media reports suggesting some of the Cabinet appointments show May is softening her stance on Brexit yet I've also seen other reports saying bringing Gove back is to try and shore up May's hard Brexit position.
Basically the media is as clueless as ever...
I do know that there would have to be a vote, and PBs Unionist correspondent from Northern Ireland assures us that there is no chance of the DUP voting for the current proposed set of boundaries, so one way or another they are dead.
My suggestion: the party should appoint Ruth Davidson to a special role where she has particular responsibility for re-engaging with young voters in the whole of Great Britain, especially using social media. I think she's the one senior figure who would get a good hearing.
Next time, I expect a better leader, better campaign and a much more effective scrutiny of what Labour are offering. instead of fighting 20 by-elections and winning 12 on an 8% share, I can see them winning 20 from 30 on a 12% share.
Small steps but they are the only party that I think will definitely get more seats next time.
Supranational Court B determining our destiny = good
Good luck with that. If you are still on the head of the pin by then, that is.
That sounds to me as though TMay could be becoming TMaynot fairly shortly.
So Mortimer, how's the weather?
"You can't remember your password."
So Mortimer, what are your goals for this parliament?
"You can't remember your password."
So Mortimer, what's the meaning of life?
"You can't remember your password."
I think Cable's past it, and whilst I rate Lamb, he lost last time.
Thoughts?
Streatham, turnout 55,795, 70.9%, electorate 78,695
North East Hampshire, turnout 57,627, 76.3%, electorate 75,527
So perhaps new boundaries on the current electoral roll wouldn't necessarily result in a benefit to the Tories.
Uh-oh...
Supranational court B (the EFTA court) is strictly limited in the areas over which in can pass judgement (the specific areas of the Single Market covered by the EEEA agreement) and it cannot expand its own scope or extent. In that way it is like many other international courts and adjudicators which we are party to. I have no problem with that.
The ECJ has a massively wider remit covering almost every aspect of life within the EU. It can and does expand its scope and influence as it sees fit and has a role which is not simply to adjudicate but to increase the power and influence of the EU over the member states.
There is simply no comparison between the two no matter how much Eurofanatics like yourself might try to claim one.
http://www.scottishreview.net/KennethRoyspecial.html
New elections anyone?
If he needs another job, I've got a wall that needs papering.
BTW, if Corbyn becomes PM, I will accept the result. Even if he loses some support three months later, I won't be demanding a new election, or supporting a legal challenge against him because I didn't like the result.
Another factor that helped him is the Trump/ Brexit feeling that the Establishment only allow us a narrow range of choices. Mainstream he is not, it's just a pity that he's barmy.
Oops! There's me virtue-signalling again. I'll do a hundred lines if it doesn't breach my human rights.
As much as people are talking like any replacement for her would be an improvement in electoral terms, this isn't at all obvious to me. Do people really think Hammond or Rudd or Gove would have more popular appeal?
I'd say Richmond Park because it gave Zac a seat and it was an unnecessary loss. The Labour vote went up from 1,500 in the by election to 5,773 last Thursday. Just 1% of them voting tactically would have reduced the Tory seats by a critical one. I hope Labour voters have learned a lesson.
Extract from Sarah Olney's statement:
I wish Mr Goldsmith well in his resumed role as our MP, but I know I am not the only local resident who feels some disquiet at the overall result and its implications for the country. Many voters will have backed Mr Goldsmith because of the promise of "strong and stable leadership in the national interest" and because Mrs May was the most credible person to lead Britain into the Brexit negotiations. As a result of this unnecessary election, the country is now in disarray, and our hand in the fast-approaching negotiations has been weakened. Voters are entitled to feel cheated.
The proposed partnership with the DUP will also cause some concern . I hope that the partnership will not include any concessions on gay rights, action on climate change or the right to access abortions. But the real concern is for the Good Friday Agreement, under which the British Government is supposed to remain neutral. The collapse of the power-sharing agreement earlier this year was a setback for the province, especially in the light of the threat that Brexit represents to the 'soft' border, and a Government breach of the Agreement will further undermine efforts to restore stability to Northern Ireland.
But my greatest concern is for what the election result means for local people. Mr Goldsmith now has a very slim majority, in a Parliament that is extremely vulnerable to being dissolved. Will Mr Goldsmith stand up for local people, against the Government, as he promised? When the National Policy Statement on aviation comes before the Commons later this year, can Mr Goldsmith risk voting against the Government, knowing that any failure to get legislation passed might trigger a new General Election? Will he challenge them to produce the extra funding that our schools and hospitals need? Time will tell, and Mr Goldsmith can be sure that the Liberal Democrats will be watching closely.
What about throwing darts at pictures of the contenders? It may work and it may even be theraputic!
New elections the only possibility.
We could be in a new election campaign by the end of June!
I don't think that they would cut off their nose to spite their face.
May too short here at 1.14 I think
Cover Corbyn.
"One does not appreciate having to delay One's speech, Prime Minster..."
She does a little. And in Scotland, we have Jimmy Krankie and Deputy Dawg.
It is nearly a year since I worried about the nuances of which supranational court that we are subservient to does what and the fact that you are trying to make a distinction that no one else in the UK will make shows how desperate you are. Comically so.
I think we've just become one step closer to Corbyn presenting a Queen's speech.
We have come a step closer to new elections though...
There just isn't a majority in the House for it.