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  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013
    @Alanbrooke

    As ever being in Oppo is very frustrating - the HMG pinch your good ideas and do the stuff you'd like/make you look crap.

    It's karma in action for all the time they were rude to you when the shoe is on the other foot.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,211
    tim said:

    TGOHF said:


    Grandiose said:

    What a horrible polling question, with all those attached statements.

    Can only be a matter of time before we see Survation polls on other great Ed wheezes - Energy price caps !

    "Would it be nice to see a government enforced price cap on electricity ?"


    How about a poll on cutting fuel prices in Danny Alexander's constituency.

    If you are looking for such conspiracy theories, how about Alistair Darling when he was transport secretary in 2005? He killed off all tram projects in Britain at whatever stage of planning, except for one. This included the Leeds Supertram and a scheme in Liverpool.

    The one that was in the same city as his constituency.

    And we all know how well that's turned out ...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-15249907
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @antifrank

    'Two further questions would have been helpful:

    1) Do you use this service?
    2) Do you care very much about this question?

    A further question would also have been helpful.

    Did you use British Rail when the railways were nationalized?
  • CarolaCarola Posts: 1,805
    I rarely saw a happy face on a peak time commuter train.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    TGOHF said:

    tim said:

    TGOHF said:


    Grandiose said:

    What a horrible polling question, with all those attached statements.

    Can only be a matter of time before we see Survation polls on other great Ed wheezes - Energy price caps !

    "Would it be nice to see a government enforced price cap on electricity ?"


    How about a poll on cutting fuel prices in Danny Alexander's constituency.

    Peeved that again Labour are missing out on leading the way on a nice leftie policy ?




    There's no money left, the state has no role in interfering in the market .
    But will set petrol prices in particular areas.

    http://rnn.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/Press-Releases/Plans-to-extend-island-fuel-rebate-to-remote-inland-areas-take-step-forward-690d0.aspx

    Why not reduce food prices in high food price areas while you're at it?
    So if Labour win they will raise prices for rural drivers ?

    Shocking !

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Pulpstar said:

    Straw office poll

    3 of my office coworkers visit the Sun "Best one going but I won't pay for it."

    "Switch to the Mirror/Mail" was another response.

    3 'page viewers', 3 Non payers.

    Note I'm not writing it off, it could also mean a small jump in their physical sales too. We shall see in the fullness of time. Interesting experiment as it is the first Red Top to go paywall.
    Also interesting to note it is one of my colleague's 'first' homepage.

    Several Kippers on Twitter are saying how unfair/rip-off it is for the Sun to go paywall. I pointed out that £2pw was a lot cheaper than buying it everyday [£3.80] - but that didn't make any difference.

    If you want news - you have to pay for it somehow. I pay for The Times, I don't for the DT but probably will.

    The Mail runs a very slick operation - I can see quite a slab of Sun readers going there. Not so much the Mirror which is more like the Star.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    edited August 2013
    Play about to begin at Old Trafford. So exciting.

    I believe TSE is PB's correspondent at the ground for the next five days...
  • Is there a market on Cooper playing 'The Eye of the Tiger" when Warner comes out to bat? [Probably after lunch, but who knows....]
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited August 2013
    Andy_JS said:

    Play about to begin at Old Trafford. So exciting.

    I believe TSE is PB's correspondent at the ground for the next five days...

    Eng at Evens looks delicious ;)


    Could rise very quickly - 2.4 if no wicket after 4 overs..
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    Anne McIntosh always seems to be annoying her local association for some reason.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,497
    Good morning, everyone.

    Congrats to Mr. M :)

    Apparently Das Bild reckons Ferrari have made Raikkonen a more lucrative offer than the one Red Bull have. That would be very interesting, because it begs the question: who would he replace?

    Massa seems obvious, but Ferrari doesn't do driver equality and Alonso clearly enjoys number one status.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    The Lords list is out.

    Richard Frediani @FredianiITV
    Former ITV Boss Sir Charles Allen, Doreen Lawrence and Danny Finkelstein among new working peers via @Number10press ow.ly/nwKmb

    Patrick Wintour @patrickwintour
    Rumi Verjee CBE - "entrepreneur and philanthropist" is a Lib Dem peer. He has been very philanthropic to the Lib Dems.

    Guido Fawkes @GuidoFawkes
    Labour enoble former Goldman Sachs man Sir Charles Allen: bit.ly/18TAovX
  • FluffyThoughtsFluffyThoughts Posts: 2,420
    edited August 2013
    tim said:
    Wee-Timmy,

    You're wrong in detail: Cross-rail gave Edinborough - via Barnett - an uneconomic tram-link despite a better economic case for Manchester. Just like Edinborough Uni got the "UK" super-computing funding.

    Your persistent anti-English bolleaux needs medical treatment. Surely your missus, an NHS doctor, knows a few shrinks that could help you, no...?
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Arise Lord Fink.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    tim said:

    Lets hope the tragic posters can hold back from attacking Doreen Lawrence today shall we?

    Is she playing for Oz ?



  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Boom Tish

    Robert Hutton @RobDotHutton
    And a Labour peerage for fridge magnate William Haughey. #hereallweek
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2013
    Baroness Jenny Jones!! Where's Neil?!

    Baroness Annabel Goldie. Lord Brian Paddick

    Full List
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/working-peerages-announced

  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    edited August 2013
    Labour enoble ex Goldman Sachs employee - Sir Charles Allen.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Olly Grender and Brian Paddick made Lib Dem peers.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    Baroness Jenny Jones!! Where's Neil?!

    Baroness Annabel Goldie. Lord Brian Paddick

    Full List
    https://www.gov.uk/government/news/working-peerages-announced

    Hours of free fun here :^ )
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    If the Tory's get the Chairman of JCB - the LDs can have a nightclub owner

    James Palumbo - co-founder and chairman of Ministry of Sound Group, the international music and entertainment business
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Robin Brant @robindbrant
    BBC analysis & research figs say lords composition now: CON (+14) = 222 LAB (+5) = 221 LD (+10) = 99. cons one more than lab.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2013
    Former MPs John Horam and Matthew Carrington go to the Lords. Along with Annabelle, former Welsh Assembly Conservative Leader Bourne is also elevated to the Lords.
    Former leaders of Trafford and Birmingham Councils are also rewarded. A ex MEP who defected from Labour too

    Former Labour Deputy General Secretary Alicia Kennedy becomes a Baroness

    LibDems include former Somerset CC leader, a former MSP, a former Welsh Assembly Member, Paddick, directly from the 80s Ian Wrigglesworth


  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013
    Brendan and his cat and pidgeons are on the prowl again

    "My favourite fact about Twitter is this: in the run-up to the 2011 referendum on whether Britain should adopt the Alternative Vote system, 76.1 per cent of tweets about AV were in favour of it, while in the real world, in the physical, tangible ballot box, just 32.1 per cent of the electorate voted for AV. That is, an overwhelming majority of the Twitterati were pro-AV, while an overwhelming majority of what we might call everyday people were against it.

    This tells a fascinating story about the chasm between the man who tweets and the man on the street. We all know what being pro-AV meant in 2011, don't we? It meant being right-on, Leftish, probably a Guardian reader, a fan of Clegg (hilariously, there were loads of Cleggmaniacs back then). And the Twitterati, the top tweeters, are made up of a disproportionate number of those sorts of people. Why? Because they tend to be time-rich; these folk have the time to dilly-dally on Twitter

    Twitter is designed for the time-wealthy. It’s a playground for those who live their lives to luxurious timeframes. To be a proper, full-on, regular tweeter, an upstanding member of the 10-tweets-an-hour Twitterati, you need to have oodles of spare time. And you need to have a job that doesn’t involve working with your hands, in the physical-labour sense. For example, a bus driver, builder, factory worker, car manufacturer or painter and decorator could never be a serious tweeter, in the sense of checking in every five minutes and partaking of those Twitterstorms that are now a daily occurrence, because their minds and hands are occupied by other things...." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100229115/the-problem-with-twitter-is-that-it-brings-together-time-rich-liberals-with-unemployable-saddos-an-explosive-combination/
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,211
    tim said:

    tim said:

    TGOHF said:


    Grandiose said:

    What a horrible polling question, with all those attached statements.

    Can only be a matter of time before we see Survation polls on other great Ed wheezes - Energy price caps !

    "Would it be nice to see a government enforced price cap on electricity ?"


    How about a poll on cutting fuel prices in Danny Alexander's constituency.

    If you are looking for such conspiracy theories, how about Alistair Darling when he was transport secretary in 2005? He killed off all tram projects in Britain at whatever stage of planning, except for one. This included the Leeds Supertram and a scheme in Liverpool.

    The one that was in the same city as his constituency.

    And we all know how well that's turned out ...

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-15249907
    Manchester was funded.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchester_Metrolink
    ...funded after he had already tried to cancel it. Besides, it was an extension (phase 3a) of an existing network.
    on 20 July 2004, Alistair Darling (the Secretary of State for Transport) announced the Government had withdrawn its share of funding Metrolink due to excessive costs.[63][70][74]
    Still have to see a reasonable defence of why Edinburgh's scheme went ahead when so many did not. Especially now they're only getting a line to the airport and not the (IMHO very useful) one to Leith. I actually feel slightly sorry for the SNP government having to pick up the mess.

    Darling screwed the taxpayer with the Edinburgh tram in the same way Brown did with the two carriers. If they were Tories you'd be spitting blood ...
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013
    Are the LDs keen on Lords Reform?

    RT @robindbrant: BBC a&r also says since 2011 james palumbo has 'donated more than £650k' to the lib dems < !!!!!!!!!!!!

    Robin Brant @robindbrant
    BBC a&r also says Rumi Verjee is responsible for Lib Dems’ three largest donations since last elex; £250k given in 2010, 2011, 2012
  • Ooh!

    Mark Senile trolls posters when Wee-Timmy receives what he gives out. Trust the out-of-touch fool not to understand concepts of equality, equity and recompense. If only the Sussex fool could be half the man that the funny-farmer is....
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2013
    Plato said:

    Olly Grender and Brian Paddick made Lib Dem peers.

    “Lord Brian Paddick”

    What on earth for? –Since when did achieving 'Deputy Assistant’ status or coming fourth, fifth, or even sixth in a race, warrant a gong…?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,757
    tim said:



    Tim Shipman (Mail) ‏@ShippersUnbound 1m
    This is one of those days when I find British politics repulsive. Giving donors honours is corruption, pure and simple.

    Difficult to argue against that whatever party you support

    Agreed
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,757

    Plato said:

    Olly Grender and Brian Paddick made Lib Dem peers.

    “Lord Brian Paddick”

    What on earth for? –Since when did achieving 'Deputy Assistant’ status or coming fourth, fifth, or even sixth in a race, warrant a gong…?
    Lets face it, being a lib dem supporter is probably the best bet if you want to be a peer.. never much competition...
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    tim said:



    Tim Shipman (Mail) ‏@ShippersUnbound 1m
    This is one of those days when I find British politics repulsive. Giving donors honours is corruption, pure and simple.

    Difficult to argue against that whatever party you support

    It's what MPs voted for when they voted down the proposals for Lords reform.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    What a joke this country is when defeated politicians can simply saunter into the House of Lords in defiance of the voters' wishes.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,497
    Mr. Antifrank, it's an unsustainable situation.

    But still preferable to insane one-off 15 year terms.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,757
    antifrank said:

    tim said:



    Tim Shipman (Mail) ‏@ShippersUnbound 1m
    This is one of those days when I find British politics repulsive. Giving donors honours is corruption, pure and simple.

    Difficult to argue against that whatever party you support

    It's what MPs voted for when they voted down the proposals for Lords reform.
    They voted down those proposals...but lords still needs reform.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    Plato said:

    Brendan and his cat and pidgeons are on the prowl again

    "My favourite fact about Twitter is this: in the run-up to the 2011 referendum on whether Britain should adopt the Alternative Vote system, 76.1 per cent of tweets about AV were in favour of it, while in the real world, in the physical, tangible ballot box, just 32.1 per cent of the electorate voted for AV. That is, an overwhelming majority of the Twitterati were pro-AV, while an overwhelming majority of what we might call everyday people were against it.

    This tells a fascinating story about the chasm between the man who tweets and the man on the street. We all know what being pro-AV meant in 2011, don't we? It meant being right-on, Leftish, probably a Guardian reader, a fan of Clegg (hilariously, there were loads of Cleggmaniacs back then). And the Twitterati, the top tweeters, are made up of a disproportionate number of those sorts of people. Why? Because they tend to be time-rich; these folk have the time to dilly-dally on Twitter

    Twitter is designed for the time-wealthy. It’s a playground for those who live their lives to luxurious timeframes. To be a proper, full-on, regular tweeter, an upstanding member of the 10-tweets-an-hour Twitterati, you need to have oodles of spare time. And you need to have a job that doesn’t involve working with your hands, in the physical-labour sense. For example, a bus driver, builder, factory worker, car manufacturer or painter and decorator could never be a serious tweeter, in the sense of checking in every five minutes and partaking of those Twitterstorms that are now a daily occurrence, because their minds and hands are occupied by other things...." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100229115/the-problem-with-twitter-is-that-it-brings-together-time-rich-liberals-with-unemployable-saddos-an-explosive-combination/

    Bracing but true.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    Plato said:

    Olly Grender and Brian Paddick made Lib Dem peers.

    “Lord Brian Paddick”

    What on earth for? –Since when did achieving 'Deputy Assistant’ status or coming fourth, fifth, or even sixth in a race, warrant a gong…?
    Perhaps just standing on the LD ticket again for MoL? I can't see any other reason for it.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    30 new peers appointed and not a blogging political gambler amongst them.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,497
    F1: Brawn says Mercedes has more updates to come:
    www.espn.co.uk/mercedes/motorsport/story/119363.html

    There will probably be fewer this year than most due to massive regulation changes in 2014, but Mercedes' improvement has been the most dramatic during the course of this year. They're already top dog in qualifying. If they can show good tyre wear/race pace in Spa (different kind of circuit to Hungary due to many high speed corners) they could be in a good place for a title tilt.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    "Ofsted has judged that 75% of the first Free Schools to have opened around the country are either Good or Outstanding.
    The results compare favourably with the achievements of state schools generally, with Free Schools more than twice as likely to be awarded an Outstanding judgement under the new tougher Ofsted inspection framework."

    http://www.newschoolsnetwork.org/news/2013/08/75-first-free-schools-judged-be-good-or-outstanding
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    I bought some raffle tickets - what more do I need to do?
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,757
    Andy_JS said:

    Plato said:

    Brendan and his cat and pidgeons are on the prowl again

    "My favourite fact about Twitter is this: in the run-up to the 2011 referendum on whether Britain should adopt the Alternative Vote system, 76.1 per cent of tweets about AV were in favour of it, while in the real world, in the physical, tangible ballot box, just 32.1 per cent of the electorate voted for AV. That is, an overwhelming majority of the Twitterati were pro-AV, while an overwhelming majority of what we might call everyday people were against it.

    This tells a fascinating story about the chasm between the man who tweets and the man on the street. We all know what being pro-AV meant in 2011, don't we? It meant being right-on, Leftish, probably a Guardian reader, a fan of Clegg (hilariously, there were loads of Cleggmaniacs back then). And the Twitterati, the top tweeters, are made up of a disproportionate number of those sorts of people. Why? Because they tend to be time-rich; these folk have the time to dilly-dally on Twitter

    Twitter is designed for the time-wealthy. It’s a playground for those who live their lives to luxurious timeframes. To be a proper, full-on, regular tweeter, an upstanding member of the 10-tweets-an-hour Twitterati, you need to have oodles of spare time. And you need to have a job that doesn’t involve working with your hands, in the physical-labour sense. For example, a bus driver, builder, factory worker, car manufacturer or painter and decorator could never be a serious tweeter, in the sense of checking in every five minutes and partaking of those Twitterstorms that are now a daily occurrence, because their minds and hands are occupied by other things...." http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/brendanoneill2/100229115/the-problem-with-twitter-is-that-it-brings-together-time-rich-liberals-with-unemployable-saddos-an-explosive-combination/

    Bracing but true.
    Or to post full time on political blogs....
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724

    "Ofsted has judged that 75% of the first Free Schools to have opened around the country are either Good or Outstanding.
    The results compare favourably with the achievements of state schools generally, with Free Schools more than twice as likely to be awarded an Outstanding judgement under the new tougher Ofsted inspection framework."

    http://www.newschoolsnetwork.org/news/2013/08/75-first-free-schools-judged-be-good-or-outstanding

    Mrs Alistair Campbell will be very irked by that.
  • JonCJonC Posts: 67
    "The East Coast Main Line should remain in public ownership, as it is now better run than it was when privatised and is returning profits to the Treasury"

    Is this the most leading question ever?

  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,497
    F1: not a tip, but I've laid Alonso to be top 3 at 1.44, in the title race.

    Vettel's near certain to be top 3, leaving 2 places available.

    Raikkonen is immensely consistent, very fast and his car is very reliable. Which leaves Alonso and Hamilton. Hamilton's driving well, Alonso has dipped somewhat after last year's epic effort. In addition, the Mercedes is getting fast and, in relative terms, the Ferrari is going backwards. Hamilton has some difficulty in his personal life but is handling it well on-track and is very happy with his team. Alonso seems displeased with Ferrari, and the reverse also appears to be true.

    Presently Alonso is 9 points ahead of Hamilton.
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,757
    tim said:

    Robin Brant ‏@robindbrant 46s
    BBC a&r says new lab peer wiliam haughey is a long term donor, 'Since 2003 he has donated £1,321,626.00 as an individual'.

    Tom McTague ‏@MirrorMcTague 10m
    Lord Anthony Bamford, family and firm have donated £4,837,066.85 to the Tories.

    Robin Brant ‏@robindbrant 15m
    BBC a&r also says Rumi Verjee is responsible for Lib Dems’ three largest donations since last elex; £250k given in 2010, 2011, 2012

    Makes you proud to be British

    It wouldn't be solved with elected lords on a party list though. The top donors would just be the first on the lists...
  • With Paddick and Jones elevated to the Lords, we only just need Ken and the House of Lords will be filled by the whole line up of defeated candidates in the last 2 Mayoral elections.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    The only point I can see to becoming a lord is the ability to get better tables in good restaurants.
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    I almost spilled my tea when I learned Bob Russell was to be knighted before. Are there any similarly surprising people to have taken up the offer?
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited August 2013

    Plato said:

    Olly Grender and Brian Paddick made Lib Dem peers.

    “Lord Brian Paddick”

    What on earth for? –Since when did achieving 'Deputy Assistant’ status or coming fourth, fifth, or even sixth in a race, warrant a gong…?
    Lets face it, being a lib dem supporter is probably the best bet if you want to be a peer.. never much competition...
    Harsh Sir, very harsh indeed…! - But I guess every party has their ‘Oona King’ gongs for token effort, no matter how mediocre.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    JonC said:

    "The East Coast Main Line should remain in public ownership, as it is now better run than it was when privatised and is returning profits to the Treasury"

    Is this the most leading question ever?

    Yes.
  • JonCJonC Posts: 67
    tim said:

    TGOHF said:

    tim said:

    TGOHF said:


    Grandiose said:

    What a horrible polling question, with all those attached statements.

    Can only be a matter of time before we see Survation polls on other great Ed wheezes - Energy price caps !

    "Would it be nice to see a government enforced price cap on electricity ?"


    How about a poll on cutting fuel prices in Danny Alexander's constituency.

    Peeved that again Labour are missing out on leading the way on a nice leftie policy ?




    There's no money left, the state has no role in interfering in the market .
    But will set petrol prices in particular areas.

    http://rnn.cabinetoffice.gov.uk/Press-Releases/Plans-to-extend-island-fuel-rebate-to-remote-inland-areas-take-step-forward-690d0.aspx

    Why not reduce food prices in high food price areas while you're at it?

    Suppose it fits in nicely with Osbornes taxpayer subsidies for people remortgaging £600k flats.

    Keep fighting for the free market on the East Coast rail line though, even though there won't be one
    The biggest price fixing for rural and remote areas is the absurd notion that the price of a stamp should be the same wherever you are sending your letter to - whether across London or from Lands End to South Uist.

    Hopefully Royal mail privatisation will end this and lead to cheaper post for the majority of us who don't live in the middle of nowhere.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    The most potty thing about the Lords is of course the elections that are held from time to time to fill vacancies in the caucus of 92 hereditary peers.
  • john_zimsjohn_zims Posts: 3,399
    @Plato

    'Mrs Alistair Campbell will be very irked by that.'

    Wait for the conspiracy theorists to start whining.

    Do you know what Labour's policy is apart from getting rid of Stephen Twitt?

  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,511
    On topic, crap polling.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Andy_JS said:

    The most potty thing about the Lords is of course the elections that are held from time to time to fill vacancies in the caucus of 92 hereditary peers.

    Indeed! What I love about the peerages list is that every Party shows their true colours re their friends.

    This is bumper crop of fun.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @AndreaParma_82

    It's not a surprise .. we actually had an election for this eventuality (after an unfortunate previous experience that we dont want to talk about).
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    For Tube fans - this collection of pix from the 80s is perfect

    http://spitalfieldslife.com/2013/07/19/bob-mazzer-on-the-tube/
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    Presumably Lord JohnO of Hersham will be in the second batch?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    edited August 2013
    @tim

    If Cameron was a smarter politician he'd be you, surely. As it is he has to settle for being PM.
  • AndreaParma_82AndreaParma_82 Posts: 4,714
    edited August 2013
    @Neil

    you have to bow to her now. Practice it
  • FinancierFinancier Posts: 3,916

    30 new peers appointed and not a blogging political gambler amongst them.

    That would be insider trading - could be sent to the Tower on HMP.

  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    edited August 2013
    tim said:

    If Cameron was a smarter politician he'd have appointed a UKIP peer or two

    Why? There are already three....

    "UKIP have three Peers in the House of Lords; Lord Pearson of Rannoch, Baron Stevens of Ludgate and Lord Willoughby de Broke."

    http://ukipian.com/2013/03/11/where-are-the-new-ukip-peers/

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    The problem is none of the main parties will fully commit to an elected Lords because they see it as an insurance policy against their party losing an election.
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    @AndreaParma_82

    Of course I have never been anything but very complimentary about her so obviously this is joyous news that everyone should celebrate.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    @Neil

    *Orders new keyboard*
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,376
    How much would the Gov't get for the East Coast, how much does it cost to run - I'd need to see a full cost-benefit analysis for it all before answering the question.

    As it is the question is leading.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    edited August 2013
    According to this article there are about 200k Zimbabweans legally living in the UK and about 500k undocumented immigrants:

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-07-26-00-diaspora-watches-poll-from-afar
  • MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699

    Ooh!

    Mark Senile trolls posters when Wee-Timmy receives what he gives out. Trust the out-of-touch fool not to understand concepts of equality, equity and recompense. If only the Sussex fool could be half the man that the funny-farmer is....

    Your post contained nothing constructive merely personal abuse of another poster . If it had been made against any other poster it would have been moderated .

  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,757
    tim said:

    Neil said:

    @tim

    If Cameron was a smarter politician he'd be you, surely. As it is he has to settle for being PM.

    No, but he would've won a majority
    I'm sure he would have swept to victory on the back of animal killing, drug legalisation and even more welfare slashing..
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,376
    Australia have now gone a whole hour and scored 50 runs without Shane Watson being done LBW. Mind blowing.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    LOL and we saw his bum - a double first...

    Ruth Dudley Edwards @RuthDE
    Brian Paddick? First peer from 'I'm a Celebrity, get me out of here'? The full list of new peers
  • GrandioseGrandiose Posts: 2,323
    @tim - We already subsidise food production. SO it should be no surprise that we're subsidising fuel and will continue to do so.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    It's as if the Lords appointments have been secretly arranged by UKIP's head of propaganda...
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,527
    Does anyone else not find it disturbing that 24 out of 30 of the new members of the Lords are on the government side. I don't know what it was like under previous governments and this one was unusual in that the coalition parties got 60% of the GE vote between them, however I can only wonder what those outside the UK make of it.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Andy_JS said:

    It's as if the Lords appointments have been secretly arranged by UKIP's head of propaganda...

    Kippers are getting all agitated - but they already have three of them.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    I'd grant an amnesty to all Zimbabweans illegally in the UK, just to get up Mugabe's nose.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216
    Michael Crick on how many Peers each party should have under the coalition agreement...

    http://blogs.channel4.com/michael-crick-on-politics/cameron-promises-to-cram-yet-more-peers-into-the-lords/2138
  • Andy_JS said:

    According to this article there are about 200k Zimbabweans legally living in the UK and about 500k undocumented immigrants:

    http://mg.co.za/article/2013-07-26-00-diaspora-watches-poll-from-afar

    I know a few. All white. All UK passport holders.

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,527
    Grandiose said:

    @tim - We already subsidise food production. SO it should be no surprise that we're subsidising fuel and will continue to do so.

    But only fuel for those who live in very specific areas. You can make a case for cutting rural fuel duty, but when Alexander is MP for one of the very few areas to benefit, what's the real motive?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983

    Does anyone else not find it disturbing that 24 out of 30 of the new members of the Lords are on the government side.

    No. Did you find it disturbing when Tony was packing the Lords with Labour peers? Or when the Commission rejected some of the people Tony tried to get into the Lords?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    O/T:

    Somehow found myself looking at the page for the Holiday Inn, Bulawayo on Trip Advisor. It's getting pretty good reviews:

    http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Hotel_Review-g298091-d299253-Reviews-Holiday_Inn_Bulawayo-Bulawayo_Bulawayo_Province.html#REVIEWS
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 77,376
    Personally I think the current privately run trains on public tracks is probably the best solution for the railways. Virgin trains are pretty good by and large, and we don't have to look too far back to see the disaster that was Railtrack Plc - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railtrack wasn't the finest example of privatisation ever.

    The thing is if you sell it off you don't then give out subsidies when the company comes crawling back for them, but Gov'ts inevitably do with infrastructure such as this particularly when there can be large safety angles due to underinvestment.
    Because of the inevitable potential for this I'd be against it.
  • Your post contained nothing constructive merely personal abuse of another poster . If it had been made against any other poster it would have been moderated .

    Your answer justifies my judgement of yourself. I have no problem with criticism; I deal it with an even-hand myself. You, cur, you; you're a parody of liberalism and a metaphor for hubris....
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Shhhhh

    I don't think we are allowed to say anything about that.

    Everything was dependent on last week's Weybridge S by-election.

    Presumably Lord JohnO of Hersham will be in the second batch?

  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,527
    Neil said:

    Does anyone else not find it disturbing that 24 out of 30 of the new members of the Lords are on the government side.

    No. Did you find it disturbing when Tony was packing the Lords with Labour peers? Or when the Commission rejected some of the people Tony tried to get into the Lords?
    I was no fan of Blair's approach to the HoL. However I'm just asking a general question about how this compares to previous governments. My assumption is that it's probably not very different but it's a disease our political system needs to rid itself of.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    RT @WikiGuido: Shocker RT @MirrorMcTague: Lord William Haughey has given the Labour Party £1,321,626.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 41,211
    Pulpstar said:

    Personally I think the current privately run trains on public tracks is probably the best solution for the railways. Virgin trains are pretty good by and large, and we don't have to look too far back to see the disaster that was Railtrack Plc - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railtrack wasn't the finest example of privatisation ever.

    The thing is if you sell it off you don't then give out subsidies when the company comes crawling back for them, but Gov'ts inevitably do with infrastructure such as this particularly when there can be large safety angles due to underinvestment.
    Because of the inevitable potential for this I'd be against it.

    If the infrastructure does remain in public hands, then the debt has to go on the books.

    Network Rail is borrowing massively at the moment, and we - the taxpayers - are guaranteeing those loans. Does anyone think this will end well?
  • NeilNeil Posts: 7,983
    Plato said:

    RT @WikiGuido: Shocker RT @MirrorMcTague: Lord William Haughey has given the Labour Party £1,321,626.

    And Bamford donated shedloads to the Tory party. They have both been vetted for the post (this time) so what is anyone trying to suggest?
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    It's worthwhile being contrarian for a moment. Political parties need to give people some incentive to support them. If (like me) you start from the position that everyone is fundamentally corrupt given half the chance, and recognise wearily that by definition political parties are going to hold the reins of power, you are forced to acknowledge that in practice they're going to use that power to benefit their benefactors, one way or another.

    It's probably more harmless to have benefactors in a revising chamber with a fancy title and dressed in clothes that would horrify animal activists than to have them awarded public contracts on favourable terms or receiving some other form of financial incentive. By following this method of rewarding followers, the chances are maximised that the benefactors will be interested in politics rather than in using politicians for financial advantage.

    In other words, this may be bad, but the alternatives are mainly worse.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    Sad news - Eileen Brennan, who played Mrs Peacock in Clue, has died:

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/10214882/Eileen-Brennan.html
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,188
    antifrank said:

    It's worthwhile being contrarian for a moment.

    I am trying to remember you being anything else antifrank. It is a considerable talent.

  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Neil said:

    Plato said:

    RT @WikiGuido: Shocker RT @MirrorMcTague: Lord William Haughey has given the Labour Party £1,321,626.

    And Bamford donated shedloads to the Tory party. They have both been vetted for the post (this time) so what is anyone trying to suggest?
    In your keeness to find fault - you've missed that I posted about Lord JCB and Lord Nightclub.
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    Nick Sutton @suttonnick
    On #wato today one Labour MP tells us he's deeply worried party is "slightly confused" and not clear on key policies. bbc.in/17ldJ4V
  • I think Virgin as a brand is vastly over-rated. It's way up its own behind. I used to be a regular user of its Rugby to Euston service but decided that paying well over the odds to stand up each way for an hour plus was not good value for money - especially when about half the train was taken up by sparsely populated 1st class carriages. All too often the Virgin product fails to deliver on the brand promise. There's nothing "cool" about being herded like cattle to stand up in an over-priced train. Give me low-cost, low-pretension Chiltern every day of the week; and BA over Virgin Atlantic too.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    O/T:

    "Why Chinese flock to a Brighton chippy

    The Regency seafood restaurant has been a feature on the Brighton seafront since the 1960s but some changes have been afoot there in the past couple of years.

    A steady stream of Chinese visitors suddenly started arriving around two years ago.

    A confused - and grateful - owner of the restaurant, Robert Savvides, set about trying to find out the reason for this upsurge of interest.

    His investigations revealed the power of the internet, and the global nature of modern society - and business."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23313896
  • RichardNabaviRichardNabavi Posts: 3,413
    Plato said:

    Nick Sutton @suttonnick
    On #wato today one Labour MP tells us he's deeply worried party is "slightly confused" and not clear on key policies. bbc.in/17ldJ4V

    Only one?
  • PlatoPlato Posts: 15,724
    edited August 2013
    Why Peerages Are News Part 94.

    Harry Cole @MrHarryCole
    Haughey got a 11 million quid contract from Lab Glasgow council despite charging 120% more than rival bidders. And now he's got Lab peerage
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 31,200
    "The fastest trains from Liverpool to Manchester in 1883 took 40 minutes. They now take 47 minutes. Need better E/W links maybe more than N/S

    Retweeted by Michael Crick":

    https://mobile.twitter.com/lewis_baston
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,188
    Excellent manufacturing figures today: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/10215837/UK-recovery-picks-up-speed-as-manufacturing-roars-back-to-life.html

    There are some good noises about exports too. Just maybe we will get the rebalancing that we require after all.

    Certainly Q3 is off to a bit of a flyer. IIRC the original OBR worm had a bit of a slow down this quarter. That is looking a little pessimistic at the moment. Long way to go of course.
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