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  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,531

    DavidL said:

    On topic I agree. This government would be considerably stronger with Osborne and indeed Gove in it. It is not a time for petty personality nonsense. We need our brightest and best on this. Personally I would like Mandelson involved as well (I appreciate this is a minority view).

    Gove blabs. He leaks. He plays games. And that is exactly what is not required for the next two years.

    We need silent types with a good poker face.
    Not to mention that the Murdoch press would be first to know!
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    RobD said:

    calum said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:
    I think everything relating to Brexit will be done under unanimity.
    QM for some

    http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-17-648_en.htm
    Even for the final deal! I thought that would have required unanimity as it is relating to membership.
    Appears so !
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited March 2017
    Merkel has not said anything the EU has not said before, ie the existing relationship has to be clarified before the future relationship is determined. As for OGH's admiration for Osborne's negotiating skills, if he and Cameron had negotiated a half decent deal with the EU last Spring we would never have had Brexit in the first place!!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689

    By the way, Valls (the losing candidate in the Socialist election) has endorsed Macron. Meanwhile, Melanchon (far left) has inched up again, to 15%. He has a shot at coming 3rd above Fillon (who is in the 17-20 range) but Macron or Le Pen (on 25-26) would need to melt down spectacularly to get him into 2nd.

    Valls' endorsement for Macron means Le Pen will now certainly try to portray Macron as the real Socialist Party candidate not Hamon in order to try and win over Fillon voters in the runoff. Given the Dutch election reinforced the US and UK and Spanish election polls' tendency to slightly underestimate the centre right party I also expect Fillon to be a comfortable third in the end but still to miss the runoff
  • chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited March 2017
    I've grown quite fond of the 7PM thread over the last few nights. :smiley:

    The'visionary' Ted Heath, GFK and Corbyn, and now Ozzy.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    Lloyds names its new EU base as Brussels, well given Brexit how could they announce anything else?
  • RazedabodeRazedabode Posts: 3,045
    HYUFD said:

    Merkel has not said anything the EU has not said before, ie the existing relationship has to be clarified before the future relationship is determined. As for OGH's admiration for Osborne's negotiating skills, if he and Cameron had negotiated a half decent deal with the EU last Spring we would never have had Brexit in the first place!!

    HYUFD said:

    Merkel has not said anything the EU has not said before, ie the existing relationship has to be clarified before the future relationship is determined. As for OGH's admiration for Osborne's negotiating skills, if he and Cameron had negotiated a half decent deal with the EU last Spring we would never have had Brexit in the first place!!

    Absolutely. The swooning over Osborne forgets that both he and Cameron delivered the worse EU renegotiation possible and a number of omnishamble budgets.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689
    edited March 2017

    I'll say it again.

    Theresa May = Neville Chamberlain

    George Osborne = Sir Winston Churchill

    We just have to wait for Mrs May's Norway debate moment.

    Churchill if I remember stood firm when most of Europe had fallen to the Nazis after Chamberlain had tried to stop them by appeasement, given it was Cameron and Osborne's agreement to virtually everything the EU wanted last year which led to the Leave vote it is Osborne who is Chamberlain, May who is Churchill
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    As opposed to the bases in France, Germany and Switzerland you mean.......
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712
    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,689

    HYUFD said:

    Merkel has not said anything the EU has not said before, ie the existing relationship has to be clarified before the future relationship is determined. As for OGH's admiration for Osborne's negotiating skills, if he and Cameron had negotiated a half decent deal with the EU last Spring we would never have had Brexit in the first place!!

    HYUFD said:

    Merkel has not said anything the EU has not said before, ie the existing relationship has to be clarified before the future relationship is determined. As for OGH's admiration for Osborne's negotiating skills, if he and Cameron had negotiated a half decent deal with the EU last Spring we would never have had Brexit in the first place!!

    Absolutely. The swooning over Osborne forgets that both he and Cameron delivered the worse EU renegotiation possible and a number of omnishamble budgets.
    Exactly
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    Roger said:

    If anyone wants to REALLY depress themselves switch on CH4. Theyre doing a studio programme with a cross section of the residents of Hull discussing Brexit.

    You could divide the audience by IQ and nothing else.

    Not age nor class.


    LOL - always classy Roger.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    chortle

    that's yesterdays news. The paddies were wailing they didnt get it. Theyre shifting a few jobs but Lloyds stays in London
    They only have 10% of their business in Europe
    I would add even before Brexit certain Insurers were moving business to their European arms rather than London.

    Also much more expansion into Asia last few years.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454
    Floater said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    As opposed to the bases in France, Germany and Switzerland you mean.......
    The view where I am is that more shifts in operations are likely without a significant change in London headcount (except if you think that, in the counterfactual, new jobs would have been added).

    The top end to the London real estate sector has returned but the mid-market is yet to catch up.
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,712
    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925

    HYUFD said:

    Merkel has not said anything the EU has not said before, ie the existing relationship has to be clarified before the future relationship is determined. As for OGH's admiration for Osborne's negotiating skills, if he and Cameron had negotiated a half decent deal with the EU last Spring we would never have had Brexit in the first place!!

    HYUFD said:

    Merkel has not said anything the EU has not said before, ie the existing relationship has to be clarified before the future relationship is determined. As for OGH's admiration for Osborne's negotiating skills, if he and Cameron had negotiated a half decent deal with the EU last Spring we would never have had Brexit in the first place!!

    Absolutely. The swooning over Osborne forgets that both he and Cameron delivered the worse EU renegotiation possible and a number of omnishamble budgets.
    Careful - you're in danger of thoughtcrime and a trip to the Ministry of Love.

    You need to win the victory over yourself and love George Osborne.

    Ignorance is Strength
    Freedom is Slavery
    War is Peace
  • MarkHopkinsMarkHopkins Posts: 5,584

    HYUFD said:

    Merkel has not said anything the EU has not said before, ie the existing relationship has to be clarified before the future relationship is determined. As for OGH's admiration for Osborne's negotiating skills, if he and Cameron had negotiated a half decent deal with the EU last Spring we would never have had Brexit in the first place!!

    HYUFD said:

    Merkel has not said anything the EU has not said before, ie the existing relationship has to be clarified before the future relationship is determined. As for OGH's admiration for Osborne's negotiating skills, if he and Cameron had negotiated a half decent deal with the EU last Spring we would never have had Brexit in the first place!!

    Absolutely. The swooning over Osborne forgets that both he and Cameron delivered the worse EU renegotiation possible and a number of omnishamble budgets.
    Careful - you're in danger of thoughtcrime and a trip to the Ministry of Love.

    You need to win the victory over yourself and love George Osborne.

    Ignorance is Strength
    Freedom is Slavery
    War is Peace

    Brexit is Brexit

  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912

    Floater said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    As opposed to the bases in France, Germany and Switzerland you mean.......
    The view where I am is that more shifts in operations are likely without a significant change in London headcount (except if you think that, in the counterfactual, new jobs would have been added).

    The top end to the London real estate sector has returned but the mid-market is yet to catch up.
    We're going to be renting out our Hampstead house while I'm in LA, and the estate agents have been v. gloomy about the prime rental market.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017
    Talking of renting...

    No dogs, no curry eaters, no plumbers, but n###s are welcome...

    Landlord Fergus Wilson defends 'no coloured people' ban over curry
    http://news.sky.com/story/landlord-fergus-wilson-defends-no-coloured-people-ban-over-curry-10817305
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    rcs1000 said:

    Floater said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    As opposed to the bases in France, Germany and Switzerland you mean.......
    The view where I am is that more shifts in operations are likely without a significant change in London headcount (except if you think that, in the counterfactual, new jobs would have been added).

    The top end to the London real estate sector has returned but the mid-market is yet to catch up.
    We're going to be renting out our Hampstead house while I'm in LA, and the estate agents have been v. gloomy about the prime rental market.
    Didnt they also say there would be a 10% drop in London house prices in the year after brexit...
  • PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited March 2017
    "May urgently needs to swallow her pride and bring Osbo back into the fold for this critical period."

    I don't think she can without losing her right wing.

    She has very limited agency.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    George "Punishment Budget" Osborne?

    Why would anyone believe a word he said?
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    Top trolling, Mike.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    rcs1000 said:

    Floater said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    As opposed to the bases in France, Germany and Switzerland you mean.......
    The view where I am is that more shifts in operations are likely without a significant change in London headcount (except if you think that, in the counterfactual, new jobs would have been added).

    The top end to the London real estate sector has returned but the mid-market is yet to catch up.
    We're going to be renting out our Hampstead house while I'm in LA, and the estate agents have been v. gloomy about the prime rental market.
    Didnt they also say there would be a 10% drop in London house prices in the year after brexit...
    Sorry by "top end" I meant commercial. No idea about residential.
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    By the way, Valls (the losing candidate in the Socialist election) has endorsed Macron. Meanwhile, Melanchon (far left) has inched up again, to 15%. He has a shot at coming 3rd above Fillon (who is in the 17-20 range) but Macron or Le Pen (on 25-26) would need to melt down spectacularly to get him into 2nd.

    n.b. although it may come as a surprise to some, Valls' endorsement was widely expected. Indeed he was expected to have made it last week.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    Do you have a source on that? I'd be interested in seeing those numbers.
  • HaroldOHaroldO Posts: 1,185
    I am still a remainer, but some of the partial quoting and mad demands from Farron etc are starting to get on my nerves. They've almost reached some of the brexiter claims before the vote.
    It does nothing but damage their own position.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 61,257
    I wrote a thread on this saying the same thing 6 months ago.

    But, much of what was said by the EU today will have been for public consumption.
  • RobCLRobCL Posts: 23
    RobD said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    Do you have a source on that? I'd be interested in seeing those numbers.
    Along with a source for the numbers resident in Edinburgh but would be tax resident in ienglandand wales.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    rcs1000 said:

    Floater said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    As opposed to the bases in France, Germany and Switzerland you mean.......
    The view where I am is that more shifts in operations are likely without a significant change in London headcount (except if you think that, in the counterfactual, new jobs would have been added).

    The top end to the London real estate sector has returned but the mid-market is yet to catch up.
    We're going to be renting out our Hampstead house while I'm in LA, and the estate agents have been v. gloomy about the prime rental market.
    Why not rent it to a certain Camden based world bestriding thriller writer who might have use of a larger property for entertaining purposes.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    RobCL said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    Do you have a source on that? I'd be interested in seeing those numbers.
    Along with a source for the numbers resident in Edinburgh but would be tax resident in ienglandand wales.
    Welcome to PB! Great name :)
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    edited March 2017



    Didnt they also say there would be a 10% drop in London house prices in the year after brexit...

    My grim flat has gone up 40% in 3.5 years and it was overpriced when I bought it. Think a lot of people would actually vote for a 10% drop, or more, if it was on the menu...
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017
    The master strategist who lost the Tories the 2010 GE, was sidelined for 2015 GE where the big boys were brought in to get the job done, lost the EU referundum & author of so omnishambles budgets I lost count.

    Where has this reputation as an elite political operator come from? He is a poundshop peter mandelson.
  • Chris_AChris_A Posts: 1,237

    rcs1000 said:

    Floater said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    As opposed to the bases in France, Germany and Switzerland you mean.......
    The view where I am is that more shifts in operations are likely without a significant change in London headcount (except if you think that, in the counterfactual, new jobs would have been added).

    The top end to the London real estate sector has returned but the mid-market is yet to catch up.
    We're going to be renting out our Hampstead house while I'm in LA, and the estate agents have been v. gloomy about the prime rental market.
    Didnt they also say there would be a 10% drop in London house prices in the year after brexit...
    You might have notice something I've missed but we haven't had brexit yet.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925

    Talking of renting...

    No dogs, no curry eaters, no plumbers, but n###s are welcome...

    Landlord Fergus Wilson defends 'no coloured people' ban over curry
    http://news.sky.com/story/landlord-fergus-wilson-defends-no-coloured-people-ban-over-curry-10817305

    Osbrown economics in human form.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017
    Chris_A said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Floater said:

    Lloyd's of London is reportedly poised to name Brussels as its new base in Europe.

    The announcement by the world's largest insurance market will come less than 24 hours after Theresa May triggered Article 50 with the timing first reported by Sky News.

    Lloyd's is shifting some operations to the continent in order to protect revenues generated within the European Union as the UK heads for the exit.

    http://news.sky.com/story/lloyds-set-to-choose-brussels-as-eu-base-reports-10817862

    As opposed to the bases in France, Germany and Switzerland you mean.......
    The view where I am is that more shifts in operations are likely without a significant change in London headcount (except if you think that, in the counterfactual, new jobs would have been added).

    The top end to the London real estate sector has returned but the mid-market is yet to catch up.
    We're going to be renting out our Hampstead house while I'm in LA, and the estate agents have been v. gloomy about the prime rental market.
    Didnt they also say there would be a 10% drop in London house prices in the year after brexit...
    You might have notice something I've missed but we haven't had brexit yet.
    They said in the year after the brexit vote.
  • RobCLRobCL Posts: 23
    RobD said:

    RobCL said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    Do you have a source on that? I'd be interested in seeing those numbers.
    Along with a source for the numbers resident in Edinburgh but would be tax resident in ienglandand wales.
    Welcome to PB! Great name :)
    Only been lurking since 2005ish. Remember when it was a libdem dominated site with a rare tory

  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    SeanT said:

    I've fucking nailed this thriller.

    Shouldn't you wait for the public to judge on such a thing?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RobCL said:

    RobD said:

    RobCL said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    Do you have a source on that? I'd be interested in seeing those numbers.
    Along with a source for the numbers resident in Edinburgh but would be tax resident in ienglandand wales.
    Welcome to PB! Great name :)
    Only been lurking since 2005ish. Remember when it was a libdem dominated site with a rare tory

    It's not changed much then.
  • Torby_FennelTorby_Fennel Posts: 438
    edited March 2017
    I've marked the beginning of Brexit by making a small donation to the Liberal Democrats. I still think Tim Farron is a bit of a wally but he's the best that's on offer at the moment.

    Today it's all got very real, very worrying and it became crystal clear that my Conservative voting days are behind me. I've voted for them at every general election since eligible but they're not even in the same library as me now let alone on the same page.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963

    The master strategist who lost the Tories the 2010 GE, was sidelined for 2015 GE where the big boys were brought in to get the job done, lost the EU referundum & author of so omnishambles budgets I lost count.

    Where has this reputation as an elite political operator come from? He is a poundshop peter mandelson.

    The fact that he's considered some kind of giant by a hardcore Lib Dem Remainer says it all, really.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,225
    edited March 2017
    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    No you wouldn't. If England is a separate country and you are living and working there that is where you would pay your tax. If you retained a Scottish domicile you might pay an extra tax in Scotland if our taxes were higher than England's (which they would be) but you would be entitled to offset the tax paid in England against any liability.
  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    RobD said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    Do you have a source on that? I'd be interested in seeing those numbers.
    Not in GERS I believe - my guess would a few thousand folks in this boat - most will be relatively well paid though !! - Also be flip side with folks working in Scot & OR for tax in rUK
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    For a minute I thought this was a TSE thread!

    Hasn't Osborne stolen enough jobs from other potential candidates already???
  • TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,454

    SeanT said:

    I've fucking nailed this thriller.

    Shouldn't you wait for the public to judge on such a thing?
    Sean hasn't been wrong, as big his boasting is.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241

    He is a poundshop peter mandelson.

    IIRC his poll ratings are worse than Mandelson's....
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    edited March 2017
    calum said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    Do you have a source on that? I'd be interested in seeing those numbers.
    Not in GERS I believe - my guess would a few thousand folks in this boat - most will be relatively well paid though !! - Also be flip side with folks working in Scot & OR for tax in rUK
    So no real evidence that it constitutes half the deficit? It could be 1% or 100%.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951

    I've marked the beginning of Brexit by making a small donation to the Liberal Democrats. I still think Tim Farron is a bit of a wally but he's the best that's on offer at the moment.

    Today it's all got very real, very worrying and it became crystal clear that my Conservative voting days are behind me. I've voted for them at every general election since eligible but they're not even in the same library as me now let alone on the same page.

    Funny, I feel the same way about the Lib "dems".

  • calumcalum Posts: 3,046
    DavidL said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    No you wouldn't. If England is a separate country and you are living and working there that is where you would pay your tax. If you retained a Scottish domicile you might pay an extra tax in Scotland if our taxes were higher than England's (which they would be) but you would be entitled to offset the tax paid in England against any liability.
    183 days etc - I live in Scotland
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403

    I'll say it again.

    Theresa May = Neville Chamberlain

    George Osborne = Sir Winston Churchill

    We just have to wait for Mrs May's Norway debate moment.

    Historical analysis as bad as your grammar :)
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010
    Essexit said:

    The master strategist who lost the Tories the 2010 GE, was sidelined for 2015 GE where the big boys were brought in to get the job done, lost the EU referundum & author of so omnishambles budgets I lost count.

    Where has this reputation as an elite political operator come from? He is a poundshop peter mandelson.

    The fact that he's considered some kind of giant by a hardcore Lib Dem Remainer says it all, really.
    It's quite something when people on the left who hated Osborne for "austerity" are now singing his praises. Brexit has sent some people round the twist.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,225
    RobCL said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    Do you have a source on that? I'd be interested in seeing those numbers.
    Along with a source for the numbers resident in Edinburgh but would be tax resident in ienglandand wales.
    The same would apply to them in reverse. If they are working and living in Edinburgh in an independent Scotland that is where they would pay their tax. The key word in that sentence is "if". The risk of substantial parts of our higher rate tax paying base heading south is very real, particularly in financial services.
  • TGOHFTGOHF Posts: 21,633
    Daftest thread for months.

    Captain pasty tax who came back with a deal so crap we voted for Brexit as the negotiator ? Lolza.
  • RobCLRobCL Posts: 23
    DavidL said:

    RobCL said:

    RobD said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    Do you have a source on that? I'd be interested in seeing those numbers.
    Along with a source for the numbers resident in Edinburgh but would be tax resident in ienglandand wales.
    The same would apply to them in reverse. If they are working and living in Edinburgh in an independent Scotland that is where they would pay their tax. The key word in that sentence is "if". The risk of substantial parts of our higher rate tax paying base heading south is very real, particularly in financial services.
    My point exactly. Can't have your cake and eat it.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,225
    calum said:

    DavidL said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    No you wouldn't. If England is a separate country and you are living and working there that is where you would pay your tax. If you retained a Scottish domicile you might pay an extra tax in Scotland if our taxes were higher than England's (which they would be) but you would be entitled to offset the tax paid in England against any liability.
    183 days etc - I live in Scotland
    So what? It is where you earn that you pay the tax. It is different in the UK because it is a single country and there is an argument that the GERS does not accurately reflect the domicile of all taxpayers but none of that would matter if we became independent.
  • glwglw Posts: 10,010
    DavidL said:

    The same would apply to them in reverse. If they are working and living in Edinburgh in an independent Scotland that is where they would pay their tax. The key word in that sentence is "if". The risk of substantial parts of our higher rate tax paying base heading south is very real, particularly in financial services.

    Well of course, because whilst there are some UK financial companies that do a lot of business in the EU, there aren't many where it is a majority, but there are many Scottish financial companies that do most of their business south of the border.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    SeanT said:

    I've fucking nailed this thriller.

    The Brexit Twins?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    edited March 2017
    TGOHF said:

    Daftest thread for months.

    Captain pasty tax who came back with a deal so crap we voted for Brexit as the negotiator ? Lolza.

    Mike should dream on! He's in fantasy land!
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    glw said:

    Essexit said:

    The master strategist who lost the Tories the 2010 GE, was sidelined for 2015 GE where the big boys were brought in to get the job done, lost the EU referundum & author of so omnishambles budgets I lost count.

    Where has this reputation as an elite political operator come from? He is a poundshop peter mandelson.

    The fact that he's considered some kind of giant by a hardcore Lib Dem Remainer says it all, really.
    It's quite something when people on the left who hated Osborne for "austerity" are now singing his praises. Brexit has sent some people round the twist.
    Astute point. In their eyes moderate spending cuts were evil incarnate, threatening massive cuts and tax hikes if people voted the 'wrong' way was fine.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    calum said:

    DavidL said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    No you wouldn't. If England is a separate country and you are living and working there that is where you would pay your tax. If you retained a Scottish domicile you might pay an extra tax in Scotland if our taxes were higher than England's (which they would be) but you would be entitled to offset the tax paid in England against any liability.
    183 days etc - I live in Scotland
    I lived in the US (and had my tax residency there) while I earned in the UK. Guess what - I paid tax in the UK.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    DavidL said:

    calum said:

    DavidL said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    calum said:

    dr_spyn said:

    dr_spyn said:

    Has Corbyn just managed to piss off The Scots and The Ulster Unionists at the same time?

    That should be the SNP not Scotland as a whole on present polling
    Sounds as if he has upset the Nats and SLab at the same time. Smart guy, is Jeremy, could go far.
    FWIW I think's SLAB's united front will crumble as they are increasingly look like Tory stoodges
    chortle

    reduced to name calling

    tell us what your going to do for an economy
    Based on chatting with the dwindling band of SLABers I know.

    Re economy we'd be fine !
    economy of the verite I think there

    with a 9-10% govt deficit theres nothing but pain ahead for the first 5 years
    FWIW half the "deficit" is UK debt - a big gap in data is the many folks like myself who work in London etc - but would be tax resident in iScot
    No you wouldn't. If England is a separate country and you are living and working there that is where you would pay your tax. If you retained a Scottish domicile you might pay an extra tax in Scotland if our taxes were higher than England's (which they would be) but you would be entitled to offset the tax paid in England against any liability.
    183 days etc - I live in Scotland
    So what? It is where you earn that you pay the tax.
    Its a nice idea though. "I won't pay you tax, coz I'm going to pay tax in my home country. Honest."

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,225
    glw said:

    DavidL said:

    The same would apply to them in reverse. If they are working and living in Edinburgh in an independent Scotland that is where they would pay their tax. The key word in that sentence is "if". The risk of substantial parts of our higher rate tax paying base heading south is very real, particularly in financial services.

    Well of course, because whilst there are some UK financial companies that do a lot of business in the EU, there aren't many where it is a majority, but there are many Scottish financial companies that do most of their business south of the border.
    Of course, that is where most of the wealthy clients are. And the back office functions remain considerable employers too. But if Scotland becomes independent the "Scottish" label (traditionally thought to be a sign of prudence, despite the efforts of RBS) becomes another risk factor, particularly if we have a currency risk as well.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,549
    edited March 2017
    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    I've fucking nailed this thriller.

    Shouldn't you wait for the public to judge on such a thing?
    Yes. I should. And I'm going to look quite the idiot, a prize prize idiot, a vulgar bloviating fool, if it turns out to be shite. Which is very possible.

    But I dunno. I've got a buzz about it. Like I had about the ICE TWINS, but which I didn't have about THE FIRE CHILD

    The premise is simple yet intriguing, and all the narrative action springs naturally from that initial hook: which is exactly what you want in a psychological thriller. There is no contrivance, and no deus ex machina, and no Maguffin.

    Plus Dartmoor turned out to be a great location.

    I also wrote the book in two months. Literally two months. 93,000 words. At one point I was doing almost 4000 words in a day. That can be a great sign, or a terrible sign.

    We shall see.
    Serious question....

    With the infinite number of modern distractions from nubile young corbynistas to the tinterweb, how do you go about blasting out 4000 words a day? Do you have a strict specific schedule and rules about when it is "work" time eg phone off, internet blocked?
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    Why aren't we getting any live blogging from the piss-up ?
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    edited March 2017

    Why aren't we getting any live blogging from the piss-up ?

    OGH left them all a nice surprise :p
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    RobD said:

    Why aren't we getting any live blogging from the piss-up ?

    OGH left them all a nice surprise :p
    An EU flag and shrine to Tim Farron?
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    RobD said:

    Why aren't we getting any live blogging from the piss-up ?

    OGH left them all a nice surprise :p
    Grim Reaper: Be quiet! You Englishmen... You're all so fucking pompous and
    none of you have got any balls.

    Debbie: Can I ask you a question?

    Grim Reaper: What?

    Debbie: ... How can we all have died at the *same* time?

    Grim Reaper: [pointing] The salmon mousse!
  • RobDRobD Posts: 60,147
    Essexit said:

    RobD said:

    Why aren't we getting any live blogging from the piss-up ?

    OGH left them all a nice surprise :p
    An EU flag and shrine to Tim Farron?
    A Junker lookalike stripogram... :smiley:
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,241
    RobD said:

    Essexit said:

    RobD said:

    Why aren't we getting any live blogging from the piss-up ?

    OGH left them all a nice surprise :p
    An EU flag and shrine to Tim Farron?
    A Junker lookalike stripogram... :smiley:
    A Merkel lookalike....
  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    I've fucking nailed this thriller.

    Shouldn't you wait for the public to judge on such a thing?
    Yes. I should. And I'm going to look quite the idiot, a prize prize idiot, a vulgar bloviating fool, if it turns out to be shite. Which is very possible.

    But I dunno. I've got a buzz about it. Like I had about the ICE TWINS, but which I didn't have about THE FIRE CHILD

    The premise is simple yet intriguing, and all the narrative action springs naturally from that initial hook: which is exactly what you want in a psychological thriller. There is no contrivance, and no deus ex machina, and no Maguffin.

    Plus Dartmoor turned out to be a great location.

    I also wrote the book in two months. Literally two months. 93,000 words. At one point I was doing almost 4000 words in a day. That can be a great sign, or a terrible sign.

    We shall see.
    Will the kindle edition be pricier than the deluxe, bound in diamond encrusted dolphin skin and printed in unicorn ink on gold leaf hardback version?
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,912
    kyf_100 said:



    Didnt they also say there would be a 10% drop in London house prices in the year after brexit...

    My grim flat has gone up 40% in 3.5 years and it was overpriced when I bought it. Think a lot of people would actually vote for a 10% drop, or more, if it was on the menu...
    My part of Hampstead is down 30% in the last three years. At its peak in 2013/4, an 1,800 three bedroom flat in Rosecroft Avenue (which is unfashionable Golders Green end of Hampstead) went to £2.8m (£1,400/square foot). Now, a 4,000 square foot house on the same street is on for £4m, and they'll probably get slightly less.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,225
    rcs1000 said:

    kyf_100 said:



    Didnt they also say there would be a 10% drop in London house prices in the year after brexit...

    My grim flat has gone up 40% in 3.5 years and it was overpriced when I bought it. Think a lot of people would actually vote for a 10% drop, or more, if it was on the menu...
    My part of Hampstead is down 30% in the last three years. At its peak in 2013/4, an 1,800 three bedroom flat in Rosecroft Avenue (which is unfashionable Golders Green end of Hampstead) went to £2.8m (£1,400/square foot). Now, a 4,000 square foot house on the same street is on for £4m, and they'll probably get slightly less.
    £4m? How on earth will they cope, the poor souls.

    I would say "think of the children" but the reality is the children would be a lot better placed if it was under £1m.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    GeoffM said:

    RobD said:

    Why aren't we getting any live blogging from the piss-up ?

    OGH left them all a nice surprise :p
    Grim Reaper: Be quiet! You Englishmen... You're all so fucking pompous and
    none of you have got any balls.

    Debbie: Can I ask you a question?

    Grim Reaper: What?

    Debbie: ... How can we all have died at the *same* time?

    Grim Reaper: [pointing] The salmon mousse!
    The REMOANING of Life :lol:
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    rcs1000 said:

    kyf_100 said:



    Didnt they also say there would be a 10% drop in London house prices in the year after brexit...

    My grim flat has gone up 40% in 3.5 years and it was overpriced when I bought it. Think a lot of people would actually vote for a 10% drop, or more, if it was on the menu...
    My part of Hampstead is down 30% in the last three years. At its peak in 2013/4, an 1,800 three bedroom flat in Rosecroft Avenue (which is unfashionable Golders Green end of Hampstead) went to £2.8m (£1,400/square foot). Now, a 4,000 square foot house on the same street is on for £4m, and they'll probably get slightly less.
    Sorry to hear that, I'll organise a whip round for you.

    :wink:

    Seriously is there a reason for that - is Hampstead not a fashionable hiding place for hot Chinese money for example.
  • another_richardanother_richard Posts: 26,925
    For anyone who wants to try to find some patterns between employment sectors by location and electoral results:

    https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/articles/thespatialdistributionofindustriesingreatbritain/2015
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,373
    Those punting a Scotch LD revival may have got a little over excited. Richard Tyndall will be please tho'..

    https://twitter.com/MackieJonathan/status/847187793092784128
  • SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    SeanT said:

    I've fucking nailed this thriller.

    Shouldn't you wait for the public to judge on such a thing?
    Yes. I should. And I'm going to look quite the idiot, a prize prize idiot, a vulgar bloviating fool, if it turns out to be shite. Which is very possible.

    But I dunno. I've got a buzz about it. Like I had about the ICE TWINS, but which I didn't have about THE FIRE CHILD

    The premise is simple yet intriguing, and all the narrative action springs naturally from that initial hook: which is exactly what you want in a psychological thriller. There is no contrivance, and no deus ex machina, and no Maguffin.

    Plus Dartmoor turned out to be a great location.

    I also wrote the book in two months. Literally two months. 93,000 words. At one point I was doing almost 4000 words in a day. That can be a great sign, or a terrible sign.

    We shall see.
    Will the kindle edition be pricier than the deluxe, bound in diamond encrusted dolphin skin and printed in unicorn ink on gold leaf hardback version?
    Yes.
    I'll get the pirate version then.......
  • kyf_100 said:

    I've marked the beginning of Brexit by making a small donation to the Liberal Democrats. I still think Tim Farron is a bit of a wally but he's the best that's on offer at the moment.

    Today it's all got very real, very worrying and it became crystal clear that my Conservative voting days are behind me. I've voted for them at every general election since eligible but they're not even in the same library as me now let alone on the same page.

    Funny, I feel the same way about the Lib "dems".

    Fair enough, neither party will lose any sleep over either of us anyway. :D
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951
    SeanT said:

    rcs1000 said:

    kyf_100 said:



    Didnt they also say there would be a 10% drop in London house prices in the year after brexit...

    My grim flat has gone up 40% in 3.5 years and it was overpriced when I bought it. Think a lot of people would actually vote for a 10% drop, or more, if it was on the menu...
    My part of Hampstead is down 30% in the last three years. At its peak in 2013/4, an 1,800 three bedroom flat in Rosecroft Avenue (which is unfashionable Golders Green end of Hampstead) went to £2.8m (£1,400/square foot). Now, a 4,000 square foot house on the same street is on for £4m, and they'll probably get slightly less.
    Weird how it varies. My part of Camden hasn't budged. Not up or down. The new development right next door to my house, Solstice Point, has two bed flats on sale for about a million. They were successfully (if slowly) selling them for a million a year ago, and two years ago.

    My guess is help to buy has pushed the bottom of the market up quite substantially. The middle has stagnated as people with two or three bedrooms in nice places have been quite happy to sit on their nest egg. The top end of the market has suffered simply because of oversupply, too many new builds marketed at rich foreign investors.

    I think you'd struggle to get a flat in London now for under 300k, even in the outer zones. Effectively ending the dream of home ownership for anyone who doesn't have an income of 50k a year and a 50k deposit to spare.



  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    RobD said:

    Why aren't we getting any live blogging from the piss-up ?

    OGH left them all a nice surprise :p
    Actually, somebody who couldn't be there phoned up and prepaid a tab, apparently. I only had one pint at this generous person's pleasure, had to get home to the wife.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,373
    nunu said:
    Phew, he's obviously not a racist.

    'He said he was happy to rent to "negroes" as "they haven't generated a curry smell at the end of the tenancy".'
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    He'd be mad to take the job even if it were offered, which of course it won't be. It's an impossible job and even were he somehow to sweet-talk the pan-European political glitterati into a decent deal, the loony Leavers would still be baying that he had sold them out in some hitherto unimportant but now mission critical way.

    Far better from his perspective to leave the current idiots in charge for the inevitable car crash.
  • kyf_100kyf_100 Posts: 4,951

    kyf_100 said:

    I've marked the beginning of Brexit by making a small donation to the Liberal Democrats. I still think Tim Farron is a bit of a wally but he's the best that's on offer at the moment.

    Today it's all got very real, very worrying and it became crystal clear that my Conservative voting days are behind me. I've voted for them at every general election since eligible but they're not even in the same library as me now let alone on the same page.

    Funny, I feel the same way about the Lib "dems".

    Fair enough, neither party will lose any sleep over either of us anyway. :D
    Hah, true that!

    I just find it weird. I used to know what the lib dems stand for, now I feel as if they stand for nothing but submission, at any cost, to a foreign power. It seems odd to me, almost an irrelevance - an extremist, single issue party, not unlike UKIP.

    Got a tenner on them to come through the middle and win in Manchester Gorton, though.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    Pong said:

    "May urgently needs to swallow her pride and bring Osbo back into the fold for this critical period."

    I don't think she can without losing her right wing.

    She has very limited agency.

    Pong said:

    "May urgently needs to swallow her pride and bring Osbo back into the fold for this critical period."

    I don't think she can without losing her right wing.

    She has very limited agency.

    Balls. Bringing back Osborne wouldn't be popular in either party or country. He made the Tories toxic again in 2016 with a pants budget and worse referendum.

    A spell of silence from him would be appreciated.

    Great to meet so many PBers this evening!
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963

    He'd be mad to take the job even if it were offered, which of course it won't be. It's an impossible job and even were he somehow to sweet-talk the pan-European political glitterati into a decent deal, the loony Leavers would still be baying that he had sold them out in some hitherto unimportant but now mission critical way.

    Far better from his perspective to leave the current idiots in charge for the inevitable car crash.

    Right conclusion, wrong reasoning. The only perspective Osborne has is making himself as much cash as possible. There's more to be made from Blackrock and the Standard than government work.
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    SeanT said:

    Am I alone in secretly fancing Laura Kuenssberg?

    OK, not so secretly now.

    Nah, I do too.
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    SeanT said:

    I've fucking nailed this thriller.

    Kerching! :smiley:
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,448
    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Am I alone in secretly fancing Laura Kuenssberg?

    OK, not so secretly now.

    Nah, I do too.
    Oh, how did the Brexit DOO go? Any gossip?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Should've gone to Specsavers :lol:
  • ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    edited March 2017
    Mortimer said:


    Great to meet so many PBers this evening!

    Thanks for organising :) Sorry I had to leave so soon.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Mortimer said:

    Pong said:

    "May urgently needs to swallow her pride and bring Osbo back into the fold for this critical period."

    I don't think she can without losing her right wing.

    She has very limited agency.

    Pong said:

    "May urgently needs to swallow her pride and bring Osbo back into the fold for this critical period."

    I don't think she can without losing her right wing.

    She has very limited agency.

    Balls. Bringing back Osborne wouldn't be popular in either party or country. He made the Tories toxic again in 2016 with a pants budget and worse referendum.

    A spell of silence from him would be appreciated.

    Great to meet so many PBers this evening!
    If it were Friday, I could have made it! Anyway hope you had a nice evening.
  • Torby_FennelTorby_Fennel Posts: 438
    edited March 2017
    kyf_100 said:



    Hah, true that!

    I just find it weird. I used to know what the lib dems stand for, now I feel as if they stand for nothing but submission, at any cost, to a foreign power. It seems odd to me, almost an irrelevance - an extremist, single issue party, not unlike UKIP.

    Got a tenner on them to come through the middle and win in Manchester Gorton, though.

    I guess a fundamental difference between our thinking is that I don't see the EU as being a foreign power although it will, obviously, become one in 2019. :(

  • viewcodeviewcode Posts: 22,762
    edited March 2017
    Chancellor Osborne in October 2015(?) announced changes in stamp duty for landlords six months in advance. This caused a noticable spike in house prices for those six months. Ths was an unforced error that was entirely predictable, as the exact same mistake had been made by Chancellor Nigel Lawson in 1987(?).

    Osborne is also responsible for the misbegotten and various "Help To Buy" schemes, which by pumping money into a market with inflexible supply, causes nothing but inflation.

    Both of these are mistakes which somebody who claims to be a) an adult and b) a Conservative should not be making. But he did them and for some unfathomable reason nobody has punched him repeatedly in the face.

    The man is utterly incompetent
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Am I alone in secretly fancing Laura Kuenssberg?

    OK, not so secretly now.

    Nah, I do too.
    SeanT said:

    Am I alone in secretly fancing Laura Kuenssberg?

    OK, not so secretly now.

    Should've gone to Specsavers! :lol:
  • MortimerMortimer Posts: 14,158
    SeanT said:

    Mortimer said:

    SeanT said:

    Am I alone in secretly fancing Laura Kuenssberg?

    OK, not so secretly now.

    Nah, I do too.
    Hope you had a giggle this evening
    Was great! Sadly had to leave 9.30 as heading back home tonight after a profitable day in the Smoke. Bought a little known copy of John Locke's first appearance in print (1660) amongst many others.

    Such as the generousity of PB regulars that tab was still in credit when i left. Legends, you know who you are - thank you!
  • Y0kelY0kel Posts: 2,307
    Can we get a restraining order out against EU officials?

    They are acting like the spurned obsessive partner instead of understanding what happened, why it happened and moving on.
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