Does the triggering of A50 mean that as of today our MEPs are defunct?
No - Britain remains a member for two years or until the agreed date. For that time, the country retains all the privileges and obligations of membership.
The pounds and ounces question is the clearest 'neutral' indicator of a huge age divide between Leave and Remain.
I am Remain and pounds and ounces. Feet and inches, too!
Napoleon's efforts were clearly wasted on you. A litre of (most) liquids weighs a kilogram, and 100 ml weighs 100 grams. What's not to like? Doubtless you still do your cooking recipes in cups?
Does the triggering of A50 mean that as of today our MEPs are defunct?
No - Britain remains a member for two years or until the agreed date. For that time, the country retains all the privileges and obligations of membership.
Not goiving Farage and his motley crew a priveliged soapbox was a bright spot. However, if they were honourable, surely they should now withdraw, and cease clainimng their expenses.
Does the triggering of A50 mean that as of today our MEPs are defunct?
No - Britain remains a member for two years or until the agreed date. For that time, the country retains all the privileges and obligations of membership.
Not goiving Farage and his motley crew a priveliged soapbox was a bright spot. However, if they were honourable, surely they should now withdraw, and cease clainimng their expenses.
"if they were honourable" - you answered your own question.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
My feelings about this are fairly simple. I'll be ok, but I feel pity for the people who will be shafted by this act of egregious stupidity and contempt for the people who have persuaded themselves that dealing with the complexities of the 21st century is just too much of a chore.
I'm curious as to why you chose the Irish tricolour, rather than the EU flag as your avatar!
Because she's proudly buggering off to Southern Ireland to escape Brexit. Hopefully to a place with no internet connection but we'd never be that lucky.
I don't have much sympathy for the AC Grayling type but I do for those living in Ireland. There is good reason for them to be worried. Not sure it would be worth going round England explaining to people that they can't have their Brexit because of the situation in Ireland.
If Ireland hadn't Irexited a hundred years or so ago, they could have had their input. The consequence of being a small country is that most people ignore you, most of the time.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
My feelings about this are fairly simple. I'll be ok, but I feel pity for the people who will be shafted by this act of egregious stupidity and contempt for the people who have persuaded themselves that dealing with the complexities of the 21st century is just too much of a chore.
I'm curious as to why you chose the Irish tricolour, rather than the EU flag as your avatar!
Because she's proudly buggering off to Southern Ireland to escape Brexit. Hopefully to a place with no internet connection but we'd never be that lucky.
I don't have much sympathy for the AC Grayling type but I do for those living in Ireland. There is good reason for them to be worried. Not sure it would be worth going round England explaining to people that they can't have their Brexit because of the situation in Ireland.
If Ireland hadn't Irexited a hundred years or so ago, they could have had their input. The consequence of being a small country is that most people ignore you, most of the time.
The vote would have been closer with Ireland included, but still "Leave" I think.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
My feelings about this are fairly simple. I'll be ok, but I feel pity for the people who will be shafted by this act of egregious stupidity and contempt for the people who have persuaded themselves that dealing with the complexities of the 21st century is just too much of a chore.
I'm curious as to why you chose the Irish tricolour, rather than the EU flag as your avatar!
Because she's proudly buggering off to Southern Ireland to escape Brexit. Hopefully to a place with no internet connection but we'd never be that lucky.
I don't have much sympathy for the AC Grayling type but I do for those living in Ireland. There is good reason for them to be worried. Not sure it would be worth going round England explaining to people that they can't have their Brexit because of the situation in Ireland.
If Ireland hadn't Irexited a hundred years or so ago, they could have had their input. The consequence of being a small country is that most people ignore you, most of the time.
The vote would have been closer with Ireland included, but still "Leave" I think.
It's an interesting counterfactual. If the South were still in the UK, would its politics be more like Wales, or like Scotland?
The pounds and ounces question is the clearest 'neutral' indicator of a huge age divide between Leave and Remain.
I am Remain and pounds and ounces. Feet and inches, too!
Napoleon's efforts were clearly wasted on you. A litre of (most) liquids weighs a kilogram, and 100 ml weighs 100 grams. What's not to like? Doubtless you still do your cooking recipes in cups?
A cup is 240 ml
I think you'll find a metric cup is 250ml, an American cup is 236 (and a bit) ml and a Canadian cup is 227 (and a bit)?
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
My feelings about this are fairly simple. I'll be ok, but I feel pity for the people who will be shafted by this act of egregious stupidity and contempt for the people who have persuaded themselves that dealing with the complexities of the 21st century is just too much of a chore.
I'm curious as to why you chose the Irish tricolour, rather than the EU flag as your avatar!
Because she's proudly buggering off to Southern Ireland to escape Brexit. Hopefully to a place with no internet connection but we'd never be that lucky.
I don't have much sympathy for the AC Grayling type but I do for those living in Ireland. There is good reason for them to be worried. Not sure it would be worth going round England explaining to people that they can't have their Brexit because of the situation in Ireland.
If Ireland hadn't Irexited a hundred years or so ago, they could have had their input. The consequence of being a small country is that most people ignore you, most of the time.
The vote would have been closer with Ireland included, but still "Leave" I think.
It's an interesting counterfactual. If the South were still in the UK, would its politics be more like Wales, or like Scotland?
Very sad that the UK's membership of the EU didn't work out. The Greek financial crisis and the German migrant crisis are probably responsible for tipping the Leave vote over 50% last June.
The pounds and ounces question is the clearest 'neutral' indicator of a huge age divide between Leave and Remain.
I am Remain and pounds and ounces. Feet and inches, too!
Napoleon's efforts were clearly wasted on you. A litre of (most) liquids weighs a kilogram, and 100 ml weighs 100 grams. What's not to like? Doubtless you still do your cooking recipes in cups?
A cup is 240 ml
Err....
A metric cup is 250ml. The USA cup is 236ml or 240ml depending on whether it is customary or legal. A japanese cup is 200ml and a canadian one is 8 fl.oz = 227ml
The pounds and ounces question is the clearest 'neutral' indicator of a huge age divide between Leave and Remain.
I am Remain and pounds and ounces. Feet and inches, too!
Napoleon's efforts were clearly wasted on you. A litre of (most) liquids weighs a kilogram, and 100 ml weighs 100 grams. What's not to like? Doubtless you still do your cooking recipes in cups?
A cup is 240 ml
Err....
A metric cup is 250ml. The USA cup is 236ml or 240ml depending on whether it is customary or legal. A japanese cup is 200ml and a canadian one is 8 fl.oz = 227ml
I hate the "cup" as a measurment
I thoughts cups came in A, B, C or D. Possibly other sizes.
Mr. JS, the close nature of the vote means any number of factors could've made the difference. Boris' staggering cock-up of leadership manoeuvrings, Cameron's rubbish deal, two terrible campaigns (of which Remain was worse because it seemed solely negative).
I do agree the migrant crisis and the eurozone sovereign debt crisis didn't exactly help.
Sorry to ask this, been away etc, this afternoon - if it's been discussed already, but do I read the letter as saying there will be a transitional period ("implementation period")?
Sorry to ask this, been away etc, this afternoon - if it's been discussed already, but do I read the letter as saying there will be a transitional period ("implementation period")?
Yes. And the EP wants one, too.
Clearly it's going to happen. There won't be a cliff-edge.
And no screeching from Brexiters? That is surprising, if welcome, given that transitional period = not actually Brexiting.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Incidentally, hearing many good things about Horizon Zero Dawn. Seems to have nailed every aspect. Whilst aware of it, it was more on my wait-and-see list than must-buy. Will probably wait for the price to fall, then get it.
Meanwhile, Mass Effect: Andromeda's getting mixed reviews, to be polite. After The Witcher 3, I don't think RPGs can get away with shopping list side-quests.
Sorry to ask this, been away etc, this afternoon - if it's been discussed already, but do I read the letter as saying there will be a transitional period ("implementation period")?
Yes. And the EP wants one, too.
Clearly it's going to happen. There won't be a cliff-edge.
And no screeching from Brexiters? That is surprising, if welcome, given that transitional period = not actually Brexiting.
A transition period makes GE2020 interesting and complicates the Scottish question.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
17.2hh? 17.3hh? Careful not to fall off.
Surely it is a process of gentle and cooperative persuasion as part of the group rather than finger-wagging from outside?
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Wouldn’t be too surprised if’ migrant’ was a term of abuse here too. One of the teachers in my family has just (before last week) had to deal with some horrendous anti-Muslim remarks from a small group in one of the classes she teaches. AFAIK there are few if any Muslims in the school and not a lot in the area generally.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Just because someone lives in a country that doesn't necessarily mean that they support the government.
The pounds and ounces question is the clearest 'neutral' indicator of a huge age divide between Leave and Remain.
I am Remain and pounds and ounces. Feet and inches, too!
Napoleon's efforts were clearly wasted on you. A litre of (most) liquids weighs a kilogram, and 100 ml weighs 100 grams. What's not to like? Doubtless you still do your cooking recipes in cups?
A cup is 240 ml
Err....
A metric cup is 250ml. The USA cup is 236ml or 240ml depending on whether it is customary or legal. A japanese cup is 200ml and a canadian one is 8 fl.oz = 227ml
Sorry to ask this, been away etc, this afternoon - if it's been discussed already, but do I read the letter as saying there will be a transitional period ("implementation period")?
Yes. And the EP wants one, too.
Clearly it's going to happen. There won't be a cliff-edge.
And no screeching from Brexiters? That is surprising, if welcome, given that transitional period = not actually Brexiting.
Presumably there will be an item by item implementation schedule according to specific issues.
Freedom of movement is one area that will presumably happen instantly.
The EU budget is agreed to 2020 so there is bound to be some bargaining involved.
Sorry to ask this, been away etc, this afternoon - if it's been discussed already, but do I read the letter as saying there will be a transitional period ("implementation period")?
Yes. And the EP wants one, too.
Clearly it's going to happen. There won't be a cliff-edge.
And no screeching from Brexiters? That is surprising, if welcome, given that transitional period = not actually Brexiting.
Time to place your bets on our actual exit date...I wouldn't bet on 2019
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Wouldn’t be too surprised if’ migrant’ was a term of abuse here too. One of the teachers in my family has just (before last week) had to deal with some horrendous anti-Muslim remarks from a small group in one of the classes she teaches. AFAIK there are few if any Muslims in the school and not a lot in the area generally.
In the school in East London where my Dad taught, the biggest tension was between Eastern Europeans and Africans, the Eastern Europeans telling the Africans to go home.
Hard to say how racist the WWC kids were, there weren't enough to get a meaningful sample
King Cole, nothing new. Once heard a prolonged bout of anti-Jewish nonsense when I was at school.
Mrs C, also, a great many (maybe a majority) of women wear bras of the wrong size. [The things that are learnt when doing a university course that's 95% female are sometimes peculiar].
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
My feelings about this are fairly simple. I'll be ok, but I feel pity for the people who will be shafted by this act of egregious stupidity and contempt for the people who have persuaded themselves that dealing with the complexities of the 21st century is just too much of a chore.
I'm curious as to why you chose the Irish tricolour, rather than the EU flag as your avatar!
Because she's proudly buggering off to Southern Ireland to escape Brexit. Hopefully to a place with no internet connection but we'd never be that lucky.
I don't have much sympathy for the AC Grayling type but I do for those living in Ireland. There is good reason for them to be worried. Not sure it would be worth going round England explaining to people that they can't have their Brexit because of the situation in Ireland.
If Ireland hadn't Irexited a hundred years or so ago, they could have had their input. The consequence of being a small country is that most people ignore you, most of the time.
The vote would have been closer with Ireland included, but still "Leave" I think.
Interesting.
In a counter-history where the Irish independence movement had failed and britain successfully reasserted its sovereignty, I suspect anti-establishment sentiment would have remained high and found other outlets.
I think overall, Ireland would have split quite heavily for leave.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Just because someone lives in a country that doesn't necessarily mean that they support the government.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
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You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
17.2hh? 17.3hh? Careful not to fall off.
Surely it is a process of gentle and cooperative persuasion as part of the group rather than finger-wagging from outside?
Wrong target, because I'm not the one who condemns half the UK electorate as shell-suited bigots, and rushes off to support the most racist government in Europe because, ooh, it makes such an impressive lifestyle statement and you get such a lot of chateau for your money.
Mind you if you think property is cheap there now think where it will be after another 5 years of Orban. Plus it's priced in forints, not euros. I do hope Mr Meeks is not losing sleep over this.
Mrs C, also, a great many (maybe a majority) of women wear bras of the wrong size.
Tell me about it. It would help if a 36B from one manufacturer was the same size and fit as another manufacturer's 36B. That is why M&S actually have professional bra-fit staff
GBP 13 billion in annual payments would be ludicrous. It is more than the current net payments under full membership.
Yes, I posted it in a trollish way. I don't think we'd pay anything like that. But £100m a week? Yes, that's possible. Half what we pay now, in return for control on FoM, and access to Erasmus, the science stuff, tariff free trade in goods and services (as near as poss).
Personally, I'd hold out for nothing more than the pro rata contributions to the organizations like Erasmus we wish to remain a part of, then nothing to the EU general budget and a deal more akin to CETA plus, to provide very low bureaucratic barriers to those parts of the supply chains for manufactured goods that will straddle the new border.
For 5 billion, we'd need to have unfettered access to their services market in addition to goods, while being able to shield our financial industry from Tobin taxes on transactions not involving EU entities.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Your weird and unhealthy obsession with my private life continues.
As it happens, I am in Hungary now, having made a two day train journey over the weekend to get here with my partner. He is currently sleeping upstairs, happy because he has reached the place that he most truly considers home after a nine month absence. You can think whatever you like about me, I am confident that I have my priorities right.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Just because someone lives in a country that doesn't necessarily mean that they support the government.
They pay taxes. If they live in the country by necessity - because they are natives or are there to earn a living - they pay those taxes under compulsion. Otherwise the payment is discretionary and voluntary.
Macron is cut from similar cloth to Hollande, and he wants the Germans to bankroll the lot.
"I am not suggesting we throw out all the rules, but that we make an EU budget with the ability to raise its own funds. We need to change the stability mechanism and then invest in education, transport etc.”
Mrs C, also, a great many (maybe a majority) of women wear bras of the wrong size.
Tell me about it. It would help if a 36B from one manufacturer was the same size and fit as another manufacturer's 36B. That is why M&S actually have professional bra-fit staff
It is also why Her Majesty only ever goes to Rigby and Peller, and hence has a lot to do with why I am not rich!
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
My feelings about this are fairly simple. I'll be ok, but I feel pity for the people who will be shafted by this act of egregious stupidity and contempt for the people who have persuaded themselves that dealing with the complexities of the 21st century is just too much of a chore.
I'm curious as to why you chose the Irish tricolour, rather than the EU flag as your avatar!
Because she's proudly buggering off to Southern Ireland to escape Brexit. Hopefully to a place with no internet connection but we'd never be that lucky.
I don't have much sympathy for the AC Grayling type but I do for those living in Ireland. There is good reason for them to be worried. Not sure it would be worth going round England explaining to people that they can't have their Brexit because of the situation in Ireland.
If Ireland hadn't Irexited a hundred years or so ago, they could have had their input. The consequence of being a small country is that most people ignore you, most of the time.
The vote would have been closer with Ireland included, but still "Leave" I think.
Interesting.
In a counter-history where the Irish independence movement had failed and britain successfully reasserted its sovereignty, I suspect anti-establishment sentiment would have remained high and found other outlets.
I think overall, Ireland would have split quite heavily for leave.
Sorry to ask this, been away etc, this afternoon - if it's been discussed already, but do I read the letter as saying there will be a transitional period ("implementation period")?
Yes. And the EP wants one, too.
Clearly it's going to happen. There won't be a cliff-edge.
And no screeching from Brexiters? That is surprising, if welcome, given that transitional period = not actually Brexiting.
Time to place your bets on our actual exit date...I wouldn't bet on 2019
Legally (unless we change our minds, of course) we will Brexit on March 29 2019, even if there is a transitional period. From March 29, 2019 we will no longer have a commissioner, no MEP, no Minister in the Council, we're out.
It will be a transitional period for the purposes of sorting out customs, tariffs and trade.
It could be either earlier, if the UK and EU agree it so, or later, if all 28 members agree to an extension on talks. Neither is particularly likely but nor are they negligible chances.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Your weird and unhealthy obsession with my private life continues.
As it happens, I am in Hungary now, having made a two day train journey over the weekend to get here with my partner. He is currently sleeping upstairs, happy because he has reached the place that he most truly considers home after a nine month absence. You can think whatever you like about me, I am confident that I have my priorities right.
That doesn't work at all. I know you have property in Hungary because you frequently say so. You have peered into the souls of 52% of the electorate and exposed the malevolence and stupidity within, which looks to me like iinterest in their private lives. Paying taxes to the Orban regime is not a private act.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Your weird and unhealthy obsession with my private life continues.
As it happens, I am in Hungary now, having made a two day train journey over the weekend to get here with my partner. He is currently sleeping upstairs, happy because he has reached the place that he most truly considers home after a nine month absence. You can think whatever you like about me, I am confident that I have my priorities right.
That doesn't work at all. I know you have property in Hungary because you frequently say so. You have peered into the souls of 52% of the electorate and exposed the malevolence and stupidity within, which looks to me like iinterest in their private lives. Paying taxes to the Orban regime is not a private act.
Glad to hear your partner is happy, though.
I have no interest in what weirdos off the internet think of me.
Mrs C, also, a great many (maybe a majority) of women wear bras of the wrong size.
Tell me about it. It would help if a 36B from one manufacturer was the same size and fit as another manufacturer's 36B. That is why M&S actually have professional bra-fit staff
It is also why Her Majesty only ever goes to Rigby and Peller, and hence has a lot to do with why I am not rich!
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Your weird and unhealthy obsession with my private life continues.
As it happens, I am in Hungary now, having made a two day train journey over the weekend to get here with my partner. He is currently sleeping upstairs, happy because he has reached the place that he most truly considers home after a nine month absence. You can think whatever you like about me, I am confident that I have my priorities right.
That doesn't work at all. I know you have property in Hungary because you frequently say so. You have peered into the souls of 52% of the electorate and exposed the malevolence and stupidity within, which looks to me like iinterest in their private lives. Paying taxes to the Orban regime is not a private act.
Glad to hear your partner is happy, though.
I have no interest in what weirdos off the internet think of me.
But you are more than willing to impugn the intelligence, motives and humanity of anyone who disagrees with your maudlin view of mankind.
I don't think membership of the EU is holding back any UK company from seeking non-EU oportunities while there remains just under half our trade with the EU at the moment.
Anyway, onto more important matters. On the plane watch Grimsby and Keeping up with the Joneses (the first better than the second, both "dreadful", but plenty of laughs). Plus enjoy the Captain's Bar.
It's short haul so I'm not sure of the entertainment options. I'm only flying in from Manila (drumming up business for the Swiss economy!), we spent yesterday evening in the Mall of Asia. Man do they love to shop here. The news has Brexit on now, apparently our trade with the Philippines is worth $650m per year and it grew 30% last year and is on track to grow 50% this year.
On the issues, I agree that being in the EU doesn't specifically preclude trade with non-EU nations. It is the part of our British disease in the management classes of taking the path of least resistance. Since 2012 it has been changing. Not fast enough though, and Brexit will lead to a permanent lowering of EU trade in favour of non-EU trade, further distancing us from the continent. As it should be.
Path of least resistance is an interesting way of putting trading with your closest neighbours rather than one, say, 5,000 miles away. It is what people do and although I appreciate we need improvement in many areas, I don't think there should be a minimum distance rule for UK companies seeking to do business.
Well in that sense and also in a sense of regulatory and standards alignment. Winning a contract selling widgets to a German company is easier than winning a contract selling to a Japanese company since the Japanese company will require said widgets to comply with Japanese standards, while the German company will require the same standards as the exporting company from the UK.
That's still going to be broadly true after Brexit anyway, but psychologically I think not being in the EU will make a differenuropean border for trade. Formally cutting our ties with the EU will yield a larger effect among the management classes.
Hmm. It is a funny old way of going about it. The market takes care of a lot of this, as you describe, and the government's campaign is a useful addition. But none of it argues for making our largest and closest market less accessible. It's a pretty brutal way of going about running an economy. A bit like putting a one-year old on a bicycle to make them learn how to cycle.
So, first impressions - Our letter was conciliatory because we are more keen on a deal than them, we put our cards on the table a little, and the leaked EU position shows they will play hardball.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
As a BME person, I would rather live in Britain than Alastair Meeks' Hungary.
People used to refuse to drink ZA wine because of the mere pennies out of the price which went to the apartheid government and its supporters. Mr Meeks pays, at a guess, tens of thousands of pounds a year to Orban's exchequer for Orban to imprison migrants and discriminate against gays. Orban has explicitly invited white Western Europeans to emigrate to Hungary to escape the muslims in their home countries, and Nick Griffiths has said that he is considering accepting this offer.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Your weird and unhealthy obsession with my private life continues.
As it happens, I am in Hungary now, having made a two day train journey over the weekend to get here with my partner. He is currently sleeping upstairs, happy because he has reached the place that he most truly considers home after a nine month absence. You can think whatever you like about me, I am confident that I have my priorities right.
That doesn't work at all. I know you have property in Hungary because you frequently say so. You have peered into the souls of 52% of the electorate and exposed the malevolence and stupidity within, which looks to me like iinterest in their private lives. Paying taxes to the Orban regime is not a private act.
Glad to hear your partner is happy, though.
I have no interest in what weirdos off the internet think of me.
So, first impressions - Our letter was conciliatory because we are more keen on a deal than them, we put our cards on the table a little, and the leaked EU position shows they will play hardball.
I've had a long and difficult day so will swerve Mortimer's "do" this evening but hope it goes well for all attending.
I've very mixed feelings about today and although I voted LEAVE last year and am in no doubt it is the correct path for the country I am far from in a triumphalist frame of mind.
For all its many failings, the EU was no brutal tyranny and we were no subjugated province - most tyrannies don't have an A50 element - so talk of "freedom" is a shade overcooked.
I consider the Single Market a disaster - it has sucked money and people from the impoverished periphery to a few areas of over-weaning economic power. Whether it be London, the Rhineland or other areas, the richer areas have got richer with the weight of people drawn to them while the peripheries have been depopulated and impoverished.
The Euro has similarly been catastrophic - had serious and rigorous criteria existed and been applied, a small number of northern European countries (Germany, Austria, Holland, Luxembourg, Finland perhaps) might have been well suited to joining an economic union (though they could have saved a lot of time and just called it the Mark or the Florin).
As for Britain, since Messina it has been clear we have never truly belonged. Some, from Heath to Blair and even Cameron have tried laudably to make the connection but the Anglo-Saxon historical, cultural, social, political and economic identity isn't that of mainland Europe or even Scandinavia. We are different - there's nothing wrong with that, it's simply the truth.
For the future, the line from May, as much driven by political necessity as reality, is a woeful cliché montage of unity and unrealistic expectation. As Mr Mercury might have opined "we want it all and we want it in 2019". At the moment, anyone and everyone can vest their expectations in May - she is saying the only thing she can, that it will be all right and we will get what we want. The image of her signing at the desk looked more like a politician signing an instrument of surrender but of course it's not that.
Managing the totality of expectation isn't going to be easy - in a way the route the country has followed since Suez has reached a dead end. What is to be our place in the world - what do we want it to be ? I've no desire to live in a low-tax, unregulated sweat shop prostituting myself for any rich foreigner who wants somewhere to live or someone to serve them coffee or cut their hair or chauffeur them around London (or whatever).
As an internationalist, I believe we have much to offer but not as a glorified theme park. The post-EU world has to work for us in terms of making Britain a great place to live for the British in terms of jobs, homes, transport and a raft of other things. Safeguarding the rights of the poorest to welfare, decent jobs, pay, holidays and healthcare is for me paramount and that is from where A50 should be starting.
You're dead wrong, you don't understand my feelings at all. The country that I once felt was mine has elected for insularity prompted by panderers to xenophobia. I don't regard it as political fraud, I regard it as national self-mutilation.
My feelings about this are fairly simple. I'll be ok, but I feel pity for the people who will be shafted by this act of egregious stupidity and contempt for the people who have persuaded themselves that dealing with the complexities of the 21st century is just too much of a chore.
I'm curious as to why you chose the Irish tricolour, rather than the EU flag as your avatar!
Because she's proudly buggering off to Southern Ireland to escape Brexit. Hopefully to a place with no internet connection but we'd never be that lucky.
I don't have much sympathy for the AC Grayling type but I do for those living in Ireland. There is good reason for them to be worried. Not sure it would be worth going round England explaining to people that they can't have their Brexit because of the situation in Ireland.
If Ireland hadn't Irexited a hundred years or so ago, they could have had their input. The consequence of being a small country is that most people ignore you, most of the time.
A lesson many in Scotland are extremely reluctant to learn.
So, first impressions - Our letter was conciliatory because we are more keen on a deal than them, we put our cards on the table a little, and the leaked EU position shows they will play hardball.
All opening positions. A50 requires the framework for the future relationship to be agreed and does not state pre conditions on it. Therefore Merkel's position is not compatable with A50
So, first impressions - Our letter was conciliatory because we are more keen on a deal than them, we put our cards on the table a little, and the leaked EU position shows they will play hardball.
So, first impressions - Our letter was conciliatory because we are more keen on a deal than them, we put our cards on the table a little, and the leaked EU position shows they will play hardball.
Well they don't really need a deal.
Depends on who you listen to.
Irish farmers, Dutch food processors, French and Spanish fishermen......
They will be at each other like rats in a sack before you know it.
So, first impressions - Our letter was conciliatory because we are more keen on a deal than them, we put our cards on the table a little, and the leaked EU position shows they will play hardball.
I think we are seeing somewhat mixed signals from Europe -Tusk and Barnier regretful, but constructive, Hollande, who possibly hadn't seen the letter as he's in Indonesia, negative, and Merkel going back on what she'd said before....
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What am I meant to conclude from that, though?
Maybe he's a PBer? You should ask for some £££... or some influence!
The Gulf Council aim to have something 'signature ready' the day we exit.
A metric cup is 250ml. The USA cup is 236ml or 240ml depending on whether it is customary or legal. A japanese cup is 200ml and a canadian one is 8 fl.oz = 227ml
I hate the "cup" as a measurment
Full slate for May
I do agree the migrant crisis and the eurozone sovereign debt crisis didn't exactly help.
Mr. Chestnut, quite.
And what are the feelings of the wider Hungarian population?
"“One young boy, 14, from the poorest part of the country said ‘migrant’ had already become the playground insult of choice, replacing anti-gay and anti-Roma slurs,” he said." https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/sep/17/hungary-migration-poll-divides-nation-viktor-orban
Read, re-read and savour that when reading Meeksian fulminations against the UK proletariat. The man so disgusted with a country where 52% voted leave that he has fled to a country where 98%, I say again 98%, voted not generally against the EU but specifically against migrants, after a virulent government campaign partly funded by Mr Meeks.
I don't often feel genuine moral disgust, but I would be more comfortable if Mr Meeks would shut up.
Meanwhile, Mass Effect: Andromeda's getting mixed reviews, to be polite. After The Witcher 3, I don't think RPGs can get away with shopping list side-quests.
Fortunately neither of their views will constitute the deal finally achieved by TM
Surely it is a process of gentle and cooperative persuasion as part of the group rather than finger-wagging from outside?
https://youtu.be/fTaOlBWcl48
AFAIK there are few if any Muslims in the school and not a lot in the area generally.
Freedom of movement is one area that will presumably happen instantly.
The EU budget is agreed to 2020 so there is bound to be some bargaining involved.
Hard to say how racist the WWC kids were, there weren't enough to get a meaningful sample
Mrs C, also, a great many (maybe a majority) of women wear bras of the wrong size. [The things that are learnt when doing a university course that's 95% female are sometimes peculiar].
In a counter-history where the Irish independence movement had failed and britain successfully reasserted its sovereignty, I suspect anti-establishment sentiment would have remained high and found other outlets.
I think overall, Ireland would have split quite heavily for leave.
Obviously today has been a good start and it will be interesting to see how the polls look this coming weekend, especially on approval for Theresa May
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3207392/france-threatens-to-hurt-britain-in-eu-talks-whilst-the-rest-of-europe-expresses-sadness-after-article-50-is-triggered/
There is a website called Boobpedia. NSFW, natch!
Yes it is ...
Tamara Cohen @tamcohen
Amber Rudd says UK largest contributor to Europol. If we left we take our information with us. "This isn't controversial" she tells @SkyNews
Mind you if you think property is cheap there now think where it will be after another 5 years of Orban. Plus it's priced in forints, not euros. I do hope Mr Meeks is not losing sleep over this.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyns-response-theresa-mays-10121716
"He said Brexit will “force Europe to go forward, undoubtedly with different speeds”, describing the procedure to exit the EU as “irreversible”.
The EZ obtain a majority voting bloc over the EU post Brexit. The eight non-euro hangers-on have suddenly lost a lot of say.
It is only peculiar to blokes (or at least ones that do not need bras)
[Apologies for the super dodgy French].
Personally, I'd hold out for nothing more than the pro rata contributions to the organizations like Erasmus we wish to remain a part of, then nothing to the EU general budget and a deal more akin to CETA plus, to provide very low bureaucratic barriers to those parts of the supply chains for manufactured goods that will straddle the new border.
For 5 billion, we'd need to have unfettered access to their services market in addition to goods, while being able to shield our financial industry from Tobin taxes on transactions not involving EU entities.
As it happens, I am in Hungary now, having made a two day train journey over the weekend to get here with my partner. He is currently sleeping upstairs, happy because he has reached the place that he most truly considers home after a nine month absence. You can think whatever you like about me, I am confident that I have my priorities right.
"I am not suggesting we throw out all the rules, but that we make an EU budget with the ability to raise its own funds. We need to change the stability mechanism and then invest in education, transport etc.”
More Europe.
Glad to hear your partner is happy, though.
Perhaps it will even sink in that we're not in control.
Interesting that your partner considers Hungary home rather than London mind (Where your more permanent residence is).
Where do you consider home ?
https://twitter.com/asabenn/status/847107601120854018
I've had a long and difficult day so will swerve Mortimer's "do" this evening but hope it goes well for all attending.
I've very mixed feelings about today and although I voted LEAVE last year and am in no doubt it is the correct path for the country I am far from in a triumphalist frame of mind.
For all its many failings, the EU was no brutal tyranny and we were no subjugated province - most tyrannies don't have an A50 element - so talk of "freedom" is a shade overcooked.
I consider the Single Market a disaster - it has sucked money and people from the impoverished periphery to a few areas of over-weaning economic power. Whether it be London, the Rhineland or other areas, the richer areas have got richer with the weight of people drawn to them while the peripheries have been depopulated and impoverished.
The Euro has similarly been catastrophic - had serious and rigorous criteria existed and been applied, a small number of northern European countries (Germany, Austria, Holland, Luxembourg, Finland perhaps) might have been well suited to joining an economic union (though they could have saved a lot of time and just called it the Mark or the Florin).
As for Britain, since Messina it has been clear we have never truly belonged. Some, from Heath to Blair and even Cameron have tried laudably to make the connection but the Anglo-Saxon historical, cultural, social, political and economic identity isn't that of mainland Europe or even Scandinavia. We are different - there's nothing wrong with that, it's simply the truth.
For the future, the line from May, as much driven by political necessity as reality, is a woeful cliché montage of unity and unrealistic expectation. As Mr Mercury might have opined "we want it all and we want it in 2019". At the moment, anyone and everyone can vest their expectations in May - she is saying the only thing she can, that it will be all right and we will get what we want. The image of her signing at the desk looked more like a politician signing an instrument of surrender but of course it's not that.
Managing the totality of expectation isn't going to be easy - in a way the route the country has followed since Suez has reached a dead end. What is to be our place in the world - what do we want it to be ? I've no desire to live in a low-tax, unregulated sweat shop prostituting myself for any rich foreigner who wants somewhere to live or someone to serve them coffee or cut their hair or chauffeur them around London (or whatever).
As an internationalist, I believe we have much to offer but not as a glorified theme park. The post-EU world has to work for us in terms of making Britain a great place to live for the British in terms of jobs, homes, transport and a raft of other things. Safeguarding the rights of the poorest to welfare, decent jobs, pay, holidays and healthcare is for me paramount and that is from where A50 should be starting.
Irish farmers, Dutch food processors, French and Spanish fishermen......
They will be at each other like rats in a sack before you know it.
We've thrown a very big cat among the pigeons.