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Via @JamesPurefoy a pic from the anti-BREXIT march and a reminder to put your clocks forward tonight pic.twitter.com/FbAkXAIccA
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https://twitter.com/arron_banks/status/845724596733169665
You bounder!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-39393695
Only 25k* turning out on a beautiful day in the heart of Remain land isn't exactly indicating a public exercised, outraged and demanding a massive U-Turn / second go.
* Even 50 or 100k...it is very low numbers for something that something supposed so important.
I think it is more likely in the same way as most of the public weren't swiveled eyed (insert Remain or Leaver), they have voted and if they didn't get the result they voted for, have shrugged, muttered and now just want to get on with it and make the best of it.
So he is the de facto leader. Any Labour leader with a tiny amount of grey matter can snatch that title in a jiffy.
Let's party like it's 1957!!
No deal + Tories implode + Jezza not being Labour leader and manage to win a majority + economy tanking badly...
Then we might get a second referendum.
I still believe there will be some sort of deal
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Mrs Legohead is the right person for the moment (i.e. boring technocrat that isn't a posho)
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Labour are rubbishing at getting rid of their leaders
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Labour don't have any good candidates for leader
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No party comes back from that sort of defeat and wasting years becoming toxic with a terrorist sympathizer as leader
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The projections are that the economy will be fine*
* The argument of brexit vs no-brexit we will never really know the impact. It could be that we don't grow as much, it could be that we grow more, but it won't be possible to prove as so many other factors impact growth.
http://enormo-haddock.blogspot.co.uk/2017/03/australia-pre-race-2017.html
Hope I wake up in time to listen to the race...
He would win like he won the other two referendums and he would sail off into the sunset with EU, UK and FPTP all intact. Job done. Place in history.
As I stated on the last thread, put in perspective, Metallica sold more tickets on Friday, in an hour, for their UK shows at £90 a pop, despite being way over the hill heavy metal band...Ed Sheeran they ain't.
Of those expressing an opinion, 61% were against a second referendum in December and 58% in March. Once bills start being passed, the bureaucratic momentum will be irresistible.
We are leaving.
Cameron, whilst stuck in the EU, entered the 'negotiation' with one hand tied behind his back. He simply was not free to take alternative action. May is. The people have sanctioned departure.
The negotiation is no longer the UK and the EU, it's the UK and the wider world.
A problem with politics as a career is that it is proportionally more luck dependent than other professions. But people like to think their success is as a result of their ability and hard work rather than luck.
It is also a profession that attracts sycophants to the successful which further encourages successful politicians to over-rate their own abilities.
At some point the luck runs out leading to 'all political lives end in failure'.
I do what to assume the best in everybody and make an effort to understand there position, and why they act the way they do. But I don't get this, its not making him look good, and it doesn't seem to be achieving or likely to achieve anything larger.
“It has been a damned nice thing — the nearest run thing you ever saw in your life.” – those were the immortal words of one Arthur Wellesley (the Duke of Wellington) in the aftermath of the Battle of Waterloo in June 1815.
I keep seeing comments on PB.com, and the wider MSM, about the EU Referendum being a close result, with the implication that it was the closest referendum result in human history, and that because it was such a narrow win for LEAVE, that somehow that made the result illegitimate. Perhaps I exaggerate with the previous sentence, but you know what I mean!
A bit like the instant recession or was it a depression, that was met to start on the day after we voted out.
Another comparison, those NHS protests over the past year or two, they have got in the region of 250,000.
I reckon "Vegan's against Fivers" could probably muster 25,000...
Carswell isn't the devil but I don't know why he persists with the 'I ❤️ everyone' act, it just makes him look like a phoney, and it isn't as funny as he seems to think.
I appreciate the contradiction in my stance but, like many who voted Remain, I feel very torn. I don't want to leave the EU and I don't want to disrespect the referendum result either. Basically I don't really feel I have any stake in the post-referendum political reality.
I'm getting visions of Alec Guinness leaving the sweat box in Bridge Over The River Kwai!
Certainly as someone who campaigned to stay in the EU last year I have no desire whatsoever to go on a protest march or indeed go on an open Britain street stand to speak to the same idiots we spoke to this time last year handing out the same patronising stronger in propoganda.
Peoples views on the EU will probably change over the next two years and their will be 'Bregret' if the economic consequences (inflation, unemployment) are a) significant and b) linked in peoples minds to Brexit. I think it is more likely that - if we suffer economic harm - the politicians will try and blame the EU and hope that people fall for it. That doesn't bode well for the future.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_European_Communities_membership_referendum,_1975
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_European_Union_membership_referendum,_2016
Even Greater London was 7% more Leave in 2016 than in 1975 while counties as political and economically different as Surrey and South Yorkshire both showed a 25% swing to Leave.
Scotland of course is different - swings to Leave in the borders and swings to Remain in the central belt and islands.
As to the Scottish referendum, I wonder what would happen If May proposed having a referendum on having a referendum, i.e. Do you think there should not be any more referendums on Scottish independence for 10 years from the last referendum on the subject?
"However the debate was revealing in other ways. It was striking just how stale a lot of SNP attack lines have become. Arguing for a referendum, the party made a beeline for memory lane, dredging up Margaret Thatcher, the miners’ strike, and other 80s hits.
These things mean something to my generation and above, but they’re a mystery to many. It felt like the SNP was tilting at ghosts. One senior Nationalist told me they were exasperated at the nascent campaign. “It’s tired. It’s really tired. There’s no fresh thinking going on.”"
If the "divorce" becomes a shambles and we wind up in WTO terms (which is where I think the UK will finish up) and a lot of jobs relocate to the EU then there will be a lot of shouting and probably some "get us back in", but if that does happen I doubt there will be a referendum. I expect that there would be a Prime Ministerial statement and a Parliamentary rubberstamp.
There is an emerging generation of very angry people which bodes well for no-one
I seem to recollect Jo Grimmond giving a light hearted apology on BBC to his colleagues on theYes side for the fact his constituents had gone against the perceived wisdom and voted no. This was as the result came through the following (late) morning, I think. I'm too old!
I think referendums are at heart a good idea, but the execution is the problem. They seem to have worked better in Switzerland where the country is better equipped to deal with them. Here, the debate was farcical (on both sides) and poisonous.
The vote has made not one iota of difference to anything of consequence.
The British people are the same as before. Our interaction with European people is unaltered.
The politicians are discomforted, so that's OK.
Beyond that hyperbole and snowflakes .
Best to leave him to wallow in his misery - which he will probably be doing in his apparently rather nice pad in Southern France.
Worse still was his fatal mistake of trying to pretend that he had achieved something meaningful when in truth he had achieved next to nothing.
Not once during the referendum campaign did anyone on the Remain attempted to argue that anything of substance had been achieved for the simple reason that this was simply not the case. From that moment on Cameron and his first Lieutenant were finished as a political force.
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/845719948018302977
"Oh BOY!! It's a tough, tough world
But you've got to be TOUGH WITH IT"
Words to live by for the Remainiacs
Initially, I was on the fence, but with concerns about the EU. The more the campaign went on, the more I was pushed to leave. The 'deal' sealed the deal as I realised the EU was un-reformable. What happened after that only confirmed my decision.
In the immortal words* of Michael Jackson: I'm a leaver not a kipper.
I doubt I was the only one.
* may not be entirely verbatim.
People who voted remain knew what they were getting.. status quo. People who voted leave, voted for change, but without a clear idea of what that is going to be. They have put themselves and the rest of the UK on a train which nobody knows where it is going to. The destination could be the Land of Milk and Honey or over the edge of a cliff.
The 52% have put their trust in a goverment supported by less than 37% of those voted in 2015, headed by a PM who campaigned to Remain.
His starting figures are way off. He overstates the number of voters and the popularity of Remain in London.
There weren't 6 or 7 million voters, there was an electorate of 5.4 million in London. Of that 5.4 million about 3.8 million or 70% voted, split 2.3 million - 60% for Remain, and 1.5 million - 40% for leave.
This is your basic die-hard Remainer problem, the EU is not very popular in the UK, there are a lot of basically reluctant Remainers, a ton of people who don't care, and the biggest group of all is the Leavers. That's why Remain lost, it's why they will not block us leaving.
REMAIN 48%