They've completely fucked Etihad and Emirates though. These airlines specialise in long haul. Who is going to go longhaul without a laptop, iPad, tablet, for ten hours, if you CAN take them on a rival airline.
I do lots of long haul. I watch TV and movies on my iPad, and do work on my laptop.
You'll have to use quill, ink & vellum :>
Report on Bloomberg says Etihad and Emirates are excluded and not affected
The UK is not following the Trump ban on Etihad and Emirates. The US certainly IS targetting those airlines.
" It defused the whole thing rather well as it allowed an alternate identity that was more neutral compared to the old British/Irish divide."
Did it really? I must have missed the bit where the people in the "Ghettos" decided that they were European and the criminal godfathers who run those "Ghettos" decided that they no longer had a beef with their opposite numbers because after all we are all European.
Try comparing the last 20 years in N.I. to the 20 years before that. Bombs, murders, etc...
Every society has its Godfathers.
The EU made the border an irrelevance. It altered the concept of a way Ireland could be united via the EU whilst still being Ireland and Ulster.
If it had been allowed to continue for another 40 years then perhaps the "Irish Question" would have finally receded into the history books. We will never know.
Yet Ireland and the UK were both in the European Community for all of the 20 years before that. Ireland joined the Community in 1973, not Good Friday 1997,
They've completely fucked Etihad and Emirates though. These airlines specialise in long haul. Who is going to go longhaul without a laptop, iPad, tablet, for ten hours, if you CAN take them on a rival airline.
I do lots of long haul. I watch TV and movies on my iPad, and do work on my laptop.
Great for slacker business travellers - can't do any work, so will have to just sit there necking G&T and looking out of the window!
First and Business travellers tend not to be slackers, though. Lots of them go Biz or First BECAUSE they have room, space and quiet to work. No laptop? No work? Watch endless episodes of Big Bang Theory instead? Or fly BA, or Qantas, or, of course, an American airline, and carry on working.
This has the potential to destroy the Gulf Airlines overnight. Brutal.
Many travel Business Class because their company policy allows them to. Doesn't suddenly turn them from journeymen/women to high-flyers. Other times they get stuck down the back and have to suck it up. Therefore, make the most of it when you get the chance.
They've completely fucked Etihad and Emirates though. These airlines specialise in long haul. Who is going to go longhaul without a laptop, iPad, tablet, for ten hours, if you CAN take them on a rival airline.
I do lots of long haul. I watch TV and movies on my iPad, and do work on my laptop.
You'll have to use quill, ink & vellum :>
Report on Bloomberg says Etihad and Emirates are excluded and not affected
The UK is not following the Trump ban on Etihad and Emirates. The US certainly IS targetting those airlines.
They've completely fucked Etihad and Emirates though. These airlines specialise in long haul. Who is going to go longhaul without a laptop, iPad, tablet, for ten hours, if you CAN take them on a rival airline.
I do lots of long haul. I watch TV and movies on my iPad, and do work on my laptop.
Great for slacker business travellers - can't do any work, so will have to just sit there necking G&T and looking out of the window!
First and Business travellers tend not to be slackers, though. Lots of them go Biz or First BECAUSE they have room, space and quiet to work. No laptop? No work? Watch endless episodes of Big Bang Theory instead? Or fly BA, or Qantas, or, of course, an American airline, and carry on working.
This has the potential to destroy the Gulf Airlines overnight. Brutal.
I never, ever work on planes. Flying Biz to HK this Friday. I will drink some wine, read a book, watch some telly and, hopefully, get some sleep. Plenty of time to work on the other side.
They've completely fucked Etihad and Emirates though. These airlines specialise in long haul. Who is going to go longhaul without a laptop, iPad, tablet, for ten hours, if you CAN take them on a rival airline.
I do lots of long haul. I watch TV and movies on my iPad, and do work on my laptop.
You'll have to use quill, ink & vellum :>
Report on Bloomberg says Etihad and Emirates are excluded and not affected
The UK is not following the Trump ban on Etihad and Emirates. The US certainly IS targetting those airlines.
I wonder if this difference has anything to do with the fact the Gulf States have massive investments in the UK? Whereas, say, Egypt doesn't?
Or could it be because we recognise that Eithad and Emirates are world class airlines that know what they're doing?
They're world class because they get many billions every year from the UAE govt. The more you read about it, the more outrageous it is. Gulf Airlines are trying to wipe out competition, with huge government subsidy.
Same as most western airlines were built up, almost all the major ones began as flag carriers. But I thought this was announced citing security concerns not economic ones?
" It defused the whole thing rather well as it allowed an alternate identity that was more neutral compared to the old British/Irish divide."
Did it really? I must have missed the bit where the people in the "Ghettos" decided that they were European and the criminal godfathers who run those "Ghettos" decided that they no longer had a beef with their opposite numbers because after all we are all European.
Try comparing the last 20 years in N.I. to the 20 years before that. Bombs, murders, etc...
Every society has its Godfathers.
The EU made the border an irrelevance. It altered the concept of a way Ireland could be united via the EU whilst still being Ireland and Ulster.
If it had been allowed to continue for another 40 years then perhaps the "Irish Question" would have finally receded into the history books. We will never know.
Actually, Mrs. C. the community I live in isn't dominated by criminal gangsters.
Aren't most gangsters criminals?
But there are apparently none in England, so this must be Fake News ... or else they have all been caught
List of 145 'toxic' career criminals unveiled as police warn 'if you mix with them, we're watching you'
My dad, who is a policeman and worked in the major incident squad (murders) for most of his career has a wheelbarrow that he got for free that gangsters in Manchester used to transport dead bodies.
It was scheduled to be destroyed but he thought it was a waste of a perfectly good wheelbarrow.
Michael Fish is on that list. I didn't think his weather forecasts were that bad.
They've completely fucked Etihad and Emirates though. These airlines specialise in long haul. Who is going to go longhaul without a laptop, iPad, tablet, for ten hours, if you CAN take them on a rival airline.
I do lots of long haul. I watch TV and movies on my iPad, and do work on my laptop.
You'll have to use quill, ink & vellum :>
Report on Bloomberg says Etihad and Emirates are excluded and not affected
The UK is not following the Trump ban on Etihad and Emirates. The US certainly IS targetting those airlines.
I wonder if this difference has anything to do with the fact the Gulf States have massive investments in the UK? Whereas, say, Egypt doesn't?
Or could it be because we recognise that Eithad and Emirates are world class airlines that know what they're doing?
They're world class because they get many billions every year from the UAE govt. The more you read about it, the more outrageous it is. Gulf Airlines are trying to wipe out competition, with huge government subsidy.
Once we are outside of the EU, then we should be able to renationalise BA, subsidise it to the hilt, destroy the competition and monopolise the European shorthaul and trans-Atlantic markets.
(I remind PBers that Leeds Central CLP recently passed a motion calling for the renationalisation of BA, so I am only reflecting Momentum policy!)
Still awaiting evidence or even pointers to evidence that back up your assertion that people on the streets thought of themselves as European and so broke down, or helped to break down, the sectarian divide.
Fancy folk from overseas saying nice things about the EU doesn't cut it.
Still awaiting evidence or even pointers to evidence that back up your assertion that people on the streets thought of themselves as European and so broke down, or helped to break down, the sectarian divide.
Fancy folk from overseas saying nice things about the EU doesn't cut it.
Do you not think you're being a bit facetious?
The effect can operate on the subconscious level and it's surely true that the EU was a 'neutral' shared political framework in a way that an Anglo-Irish agreement alone never could be.
Still awaiting evidence or even pointers to evidence that back up your assertion that people on the streets thought of themselves as European and so broke down, or helped to break down, the sectarian divide.
Fancy folk from overseas saying nice things about the EU doesn't cut it.
Do you not think you're being a bit facetious?
The effect can operate on the subconscious level and it's surely true that the EU was a 'neutral' shared political framework in a way that an Anglo-Irish agreement alone never could be.
Were any negotiations done through Brussels? I thought settlement was reached without mediators.
"Let me tell you about a friend of mine. She woke up the day after the 2015 election, heartbroken that fear and division had won. "
Don't you feel a bit queasy about supporting a party whose leader says that the result of a democratic election, won by a moderate centre-right party, with roots going back centuries and led by a conspicuously moderate and decent leader, meant that 'fear and division had won'?
Nope. Remember the campaign.
I do. Surely it would be fairer to suggest that fear lost?
Miliband in Salmond's pocket? "Competence not chaos" - that was a joke! Secret decapitation of LibDems who had supported them in coalition.
Wasn't bloody secret.
When Dave campaigned in Yeovil, 400 yards from Paddy Ashdown's house, Paddy and the Lib Dems thought it confirmed Dave, George, Andrew Feldman, and Sir Lynton (pbuh) didn't have a flipping clue about campaigning or winning.
There was much criticism of the Lib Dem campaign team at the time - without up to date polling they simply had no idea what was going on on the ground. The Tories were polling daily and even though the party on the ground in places like Torbay and in places like Yeovil were asking for more help it all fell on deaf ears...there was an over-reliance on the incumbency effect which in Yeovil in particular was pointless because David Laws was spending much of his time in London and away from the constituency.
Why would the LDs need polling in places like Yeovil ? I thought they did the pavements for donkeys years.
I suspect Lib Dems weren't used to people lying to them when canvassing, because they'd never been in power and unpopular before.
... and yet their Richmond park canvass returns were pretty close to the result.
When they were neither in power nor unpopular [relatively!]. QED.
Polls were wrong in 2015, canvass returns also - except the Tory ones?
Tories were spot on in 2015 and us on the ground din't believe it. Trouble is their answer to every criticism at CCHQ since has been, "we got 2015 right." Well, they didn't get London Mayoralty right. And...ha ha ha...they didn't get Brexit right.
"Let me tell you about a friend of mine. She woke up the day after the 2015 election, heartbroken that fear and division had won. "
Don't you feel a bit queasy about supporting a party whose leader says that the result of a democratic election, won by a moderate centre-right party, with roots going back centuries and led by a conspicuously moderate and decent leader, meant that 'fear and division had won'?
Nope. Remember the campaign.
I do. Surely it would be fairer to suggest that fear lost?
Miliband in Salmond's pocket? "Competence not chaos" - that was a joke! Secret decapitation of LibDems who had supported them in coalition.
Wasn't bloody secret.
When Dave campaigned in Yeovil, 400 yards from Paddy Ashdown's house, Paddy and the Lib Dems thought it confirmed Dave, George, Andrew Feldman, and Sir Lynton (pbuh) didn't have a flipping clue about campaigning or winning.
There was much criticism of the Lib Dem campaign team at the time - without up to date polling they simply had no idea what was going on on the ground. The Tories were polling daily and even though the party on the ground in places like Torbay and in places like Yeovil were asking for more help it all fell on deaf ears...there was an over-reliance on the incumbency effect which in Yeovil in particular was pointless because David Laws was spending much of his time in London and away from the constituency.
Why would the LDs need polling in places like Yeovil ? I thought they did the pavements for donkeys years.
I suspect Lib Dems weren't used to people lying to them when canvassing, because they'd never been in power and unpopular before.
... and yet their Richmond park canvass returns were pretty close to the result.
They were wrong in Stoke, mind. Said UKIP couldn't come 2nd
Still awaiting evidence or even pointers to evidence that back up your assertion that people on the streets thought of themselves as European and so broke down, or helped to break down, the sectarian divide.
Fancy folk from overseas saying nice things about the EU doesn't cut it.
Do you not think you're being a bit facetious?
The effect can operate on the subconscious level and it's surely true that the EU was a 'neutral' shared political framework in a way that an Anglo-Irish agreement alone never could be.
Were any negotiations done through Brussels? I thought settlement was reached without mediators.
That's not really the point. The nationalists want to be part of Ireland and the unionists want to be part of the UK. The more both entities integrated into the EU, the less critical the distinction became.
Depends hat rip it up means. I'm sure the Bill will go through. Will everything get repealed that it proposes to repeal? Another issue, but hard to call an election over - "Save Clauses 73 and 79a!"
Still awaiting evidence or even pointers to evidence that back up your assertion that people on the streets thought of themselves as European and so broke down, or helped to break down, the sectarian divide.
Fancy folk from overseas saying nice things about the EU doesn't cut it.
Do you not think you're being a bit facetious?
The effect can operate on the subconscious level and it's surely true that the EU was a 'neutral' shared political framework in a way that an Anglo-Irish agreement alone never could be.
Trump indicates that his policy on foreign trade will essentially be to bully others with the USA's large stack. When you're bullied by someone with a much bigger stack in poker, although you might not want to you generally have to fold. The EU's stack is considerably larger than Britain's.
The EU is not led by Trump.
Besides which, it's not as zero sum as that. Trade deals are done because they are about a win-win, not a win-lose. If they are a win-lose then "no deal", and walking away, is always an option. That's not to say one side might win more but a 200% win for the US and a 100% win for, say, New Zealand would still lead to a deal being made between the US and New Zealand if the alternative would be nil-nil.
On the bullying, picking out countries for unilateral selective treatment like this does (unless justified) encourage tit-for-tat reprisals, from which everyone loses.
What the UK loses in absolute economic size from quitting the EU, it gains in flexibility and the fact it will generally consider deeper access to its markets than the EU.
They've completely fucked Etihad and Emirates though. These airlines specialise in long haul. Who is going to go longhaul without a laptop, iPad, tablet, for ten hours, if you CAN take them on a rival airline.
I do lots of long haul. I watch TV and movies on my iPad, and do work on my laptop.
You'll have to use quill, ink & vellum :>
Report on Bloomberg says Etihad and Emirates are excluded and not affected
The UK is not following the Trump ban on Etihad and Emirates. The US certainly IS targetting those airlines.
I wonder if this difference has anything to do with the fact the Gulf States have massive investments in the UK? Whereas, say, Egypt doesn't?
Or could it be because we recognise that Eithad and Emirates are world class airlines that know what they're doing?
They're world class because they get many billions every year from the UAE govt. The more you read about it, the more outrageous it is. Gulf Airlines are trying to wipe out competition, with huge government subsidy.
Once we are outside of the EU, then we should be able to renationalise BA, subsidise it to the hilt, destroy the competition and monopolise the European shorthaul and trans-Atlantic markets.
(I remind PBers that Leeds Central CLP recently passed a motion calling for the renationalisation of BA, so I am only reflecting Momentum policy!)
A renationalised BA would be even more prone to strikes, overstaffing, crippling levels of high pay and slower innovation.
No, but it's a better threat than a prediction. If the Lords won't go to the wire over the principle, which is what the A50 Bill was about, then they certainly won't do it over the detail.
The reality is that no matter how much Tory MPs and activists might like a GE, and how much journalists who haven't caught up with the workings of the FTPA might speculate, May can't call one without some reason that will fly in the Commons.
Six months ago, when Labour was only 10 points or so behind, Labour MPs might well have backed a dissolution motion as a means of limiting the damage Corbyn could do, as well as staving off the boundary review. But with Labour now 15+ points behind and questions being asked about how defensible Gorton is (Lab majority 24000), there might be rather a lot more reticence about going to the country. Even if it would rid the party of Corbyn, it'd give the Tories such a structural advantage in terms of the seats gained or driven out of sight that the damage done by not voting for an election would be less than damage done by enabling one. Though of course, that does rely on them being able to do something about the leader before 2020.
Still awaiting evidence or even pointers to evidence that back up your assertion that people on the streets thought of themselves as European and so broke down, or helped to break down, the sectarian divide.
Fancy folk from overseas saying nice things about the EU doesn't cut it.
Do you not think you're being a bit facetious?
The effect can operate on the subconscious level and it's surely true that the EU was a 'neutral' shared political framework in a way that an Anglo-Irish agreement alone never could be.
I have never heard anyone, outside of PB, social media or on the telly identify themselves as "European". I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that most people probably don't think like that. British or one of the home nations, perhaps, if they're asked, but rarely European. Is that any different on the continent?
They've completely fucked Etihad and Emirates though. These airlines specialise in long haul. Who is going to go longhaul without a laptop, iPad, tablet, for ten hours, if you CAN take them on a rival airline.
I do lots of long haul. I watch TV and movies on my iPad, and do work on my laptop.
You'll have to use quill, ink & vellum :>
Report on Bloomberg says Etihad and Emirates are excluded and not affected
The UK is not following the Trump ban on Etihad and Emirates. The US certainly IS targetting those airlines.
I wonder if this difference has anything to do with the fact the Gulf States have massive investments in the UK? Whereas, say, Egypt doesn't?
Or could it be because we recognise that Eithad and Emirates are world class airlines that know what they're doing?
They're world class because they get many billions every year from the UAE govt. The more you read about it, the more outrageous it is. Gulf Airlines are trying to wipe out competition, with huge government subsidy.
Once we are outside of the EU, then we should be able to renationalise BA, subsidise it to the hilt, destroy the competition and monopolise the European shorthaul and trans-Atlantic markets.
(I remind PBers that Leeds Central CLP recently passed a motion calling for the renationalisation of BA, so I am only reflecting Momentum policy!)
We'll be outside the common fly zone or whatever it is called though.
Mr. Stopper, some years ago, a poll I read of indicated a majority of Belgians either weren't proud of their country or wish they'd been born elsewhere. I imagine such people might be more predisposed towards the concept of a European identity.
" It defused the whole thing rather well as it allowed an alternate identity that was more neutral compared to the old British/Irish divide."
Did it really? I must have missed the bit where the people in the "Ghettos" decided that they were European and the criminal godfathers who run those "Ghettos" decided that they no longer had a beef with their opposite numbers because after all we are all European.
Try comparing the last 20 years in N.I. to the 20 years before that. Bombs, murders, etc...
Every society has its Godfathers.
The EU made the border an irrelevance. It altered the concept of a way Ireland could be united via the EU whilst still being Ireland and Ulster.
If it had been allowed to continue for another 40 years then perhaps the "Irish Question" would have finally receded into the history books. We will never know.
Actually, Mrs. C. the community I live in isn't dominated by criminal gangsters.
Aren't most gangsters criminals?
But there are apparently none in England, so this must be Fake News ... or else they have all been caught
List of 145 'toxic' career criminals unveiled as police warn 'if you mix with them, we're watching you'
My dad, who is a policeman and worked in the major incident squad (murders) for most of his career has a wheelbarrow that he got for free that gangsters in Manchester used to transport dead bodies.
It was scheduled to be destroyed but he thought it was a waste of a perfectly good wheelbarrow.
Michael Fish is on that list. I didn't think his weather forecasts were that bad.
They've completely fucked Etihad and Emirates though. These airlines specialise in long haul. Who is going to go longhaul without a laptop, iPad, tablet, for ten hours, if you CAN take them on a rival airline.
I do lots of long haul. I watch TV and movies on my iPad, and do work on my laptop.
You'll have to use quill, ink & vellum :>
Report on Bloomberg says Etihad and Emirates are excluded and not affected
The UK is not following the Trump ban on Etihad and Emirates. The US certainly IS targetting those airlines.
I wonder if this difference has anything to do with the fact the Gulf States have massive investments in the UK? Whereas, say, Egypt doesn't?
Or could it be because we recognise that Eithad and Emirates are world class airlines that know what they're doing?
They're world class because they get many billions every year from the UAE govt. The more you read about it, the more outrageous it is. Gulf Airlines are trying to wipe out competition, with huge government subsidy.
Once we are outside of the EU, then we should be able to renationalise BA, subsidise it to the hilt, destroy the competition and monopolise the European shorthaul and trans-Atlantic markets.
(I remind PBers that Leeds Central CLP recently passed a motion calling for the renationalisation of BA, so I am only reflecting Momentum policy!)
A renationalised BA would be even more prone to strikes, overstaffing, crippling levels of high pay and slower innovation.
Even that old solipsist Galloway must know that he's no longer electable - therefore he can only be looked upon as a spoiler candidate. I suppose he must be doing this out of a deeply held animus towards the Labour Party. Not that I mind too much - makes the by-election a tad more exciting.
They've completely fucked Etihad and Emirates though. These airlines specialise in long haul. Who is going to go longhaul without a laptop, iPad, tablet, for ten hours, if you CAN take them on a rival airline.
I do lots of long haul. I watch TV and movies on my iPad, and do work on my laptop.
You'll have to use quill, ink & vellum :>
Report on Bloomberg says Etihad and Emirates are excluded and not affected
The UK is not following the Trump ban on Etihad and Emirates. The US certainly IS targetting those airlines.
I wonder if this difference has anything to do with the fact the Gulf States have massive investments in the UK? Whereas, say, Egypt doesn't?
Or could it be because we recognise that Eithad and Emirates are world class airlines that know what they're doing?
They're world class because they get many billions every year from the UAE govt. The more you read about it, the more outrageous it is. Gulf Airlines are trying to wipe out competition, with huge government subsidy.
Once we are outside of the EU, then we should be able to renationalise BA, subsidise it to the hilt, destroy the competition and monopolise the European shorthaul and trans-Atlantic markets.
(I remind PBers that Leeds Central CLP recently passed a motion calling for the renationalisation of BA, so I am only reflecting Momentum policy!)
Is Momentum on the verge of calling for Soviet-style collective farms?!
The Great Repeal Bill won't go before parliament in 2017, no?
I thought it was going to appear in the speech in May?
"The bill will be introduced in the next Queen's Speech (expected in the spring) and will then have to pass through both Houses of Parliament. The plan is for it to be passed ahead of the UK's exit from the EU but to become law only when it actually leaves."
Hmmm. I suspect if there is a whiff of revolt we would just delay.
Mr. Stopper, some years ago, a poll I read of indicated a majority of Belgians either weren't proud of their country or wish they'd been born elsewhere. I imagine such people might be more predisposed towards the concept of a European identity.
I think Flemish/Flanders identity comes well ahead of Belgian identity with the folk from that part of the country.
Still awaiting evidence or even pointers to evidence that back up your assertion that people on the streets thought of themselves as European and so broke down, or helped to break down, the sectarian divide.
Fancy folk from overseas saying nice things about the EU doesn't cut it.
Do you not think you're being a bit facetious?
The effect can operate on the subconscious level and it's surely true that the EU was a 'neutral' shared political framework in a way that an Anglo-Irish agreement alone never could be.
I have never heard anyone, outside of PB, social media or on the telly identify themselves as "European". I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that most people probably don't think like that. British or one of the home nations, perhaps, if they're asked, but rarely European. Is that any different on the continent?
It depends on the company. Among fellow Midlanders, I'm a Brummie. Among fellow Englishmen, I'm a Midlander. Among fellow Brits, I'm an Englishman. Among fellow Europeans, I'm British. And among fellow human beings, I'm European.
They've completely fucked Etihad and Emirates though. These airlines specialise in long haul. Who is going to go longhaul without a laptop, iPad, tablet, for ten hours, if you CAN take them on a rival airline.
I do lots of long haul. I watch TV and movies on my iPad, and do work on my laptop.
You'll have to use quill, ink & vellum :>
Report on Bloomberg says Etihad and Emirates are excluded and not affected
The UK is not following the Trump ban on Etihad and Emirates. The US certainly IS targetting those airlines.
I wonder if this difference has anything to do with the fact the Gulf States have massive investments in the UK? Whereas, say, Egypt doesn't?
Or could it be because we recognise that Eithad and Emirates are world class airlines that know what they're doing?
They're world class because they get many billions every year from the UAE govt. The more you read about it, the more outrageous it is. Gulf Airlines are trying to wipe out competition, with huge government subsidy.
Once we are outside of the EU, then we should be able to renationalise BA, subsidise it to the hilt, destroy the competition and monopolise the European shorthaul and trans-Atlantic markets.
(I remind PBers that Leeds Central CLP recently passed a motion calling for the renationalisation of BA, so I am only reflecting Momentum policy!)
Is Momentum on the verge of calling for Soviet-style collective farms?!
They could then send me for Reform through Labour.
Still awaiting evidence or even pointers to evidence that back up your assertion that people on the streets thought of themselves as European and so broke down, or helped to break down, the sectarian divide.
Fancy folk from overseas saying nice things about the EU doesn't cut it.
Do you not think you're being a bit facetious?
The effect can operate on the subconscious level and it's surely true that the EU was a 'neutral' shared political framework in a way that an Anglo-Irish agreement alone never could be.
I have never heard anyone, outside of PB, social media or on the telly identify themselves as "European". I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that most people probably don't think like that. British or one of the home nations, perhaps, if they're asked, but rarely European. Is that any different on the continent?
It depends on the company. Among fellow Midlanders, I'm a Brummie. Among fellow Englishmen, I'm a Midlander. Among fellow Brits, I'm an Englishman. Among fellow Europeans, I'm British. And among fellow human beings, I'm European.
You missed the most important one - among fellow Brummies, are you Blues or Villa?
Depends hat rip it up means. I'm sure the Bill will go through. Will everything get repealed that it proposes to repeal? Another issue, but hard to call an election over - "Save Clauses 73 and 79a!"
Don't fall for the spin, the Great Repeal Bill will do the precise opposite of what it says on the tin - it will explicitly prevent some large but unknown number* of pieces of UK law derived from EU regulations from being accidentally repealed when we leave the EU.
As such, it's largely technical but absolutely indispensable if we're to avoid utter chaos.
* An MP who sits on the relevant Select Committee told me it might be as many as 20,000
Still awaiting evidence or even pointers to evidence that back up your assertion that people on the streets thought of themselves as European and so broke down, or helped to break down, the sectarian divide.
Fancy folk from overseas saying nice things about the EU doesn't cut it.
Do you not think you're being a bit facetious?
The effect can operate on the subconscious level and it's surely true that the EU was a 'neutral' shared political framework in a way that an Anglo-Irish agreement alone never could be.
I have never heard anyone, outside of PB, social media or on the telly identify themselves as "European". I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that most people probably don't think like that. British or one of the home nations, perhaps, if they're asked, but rarely European. Is that any different on the continent?
It depends on the company. Among fellow Midlanders, I'm a Brummie. Among fellow Englishmen, I'm a Midlander. Among fellow Brits, I'm an Englishman. Among fellow Europeans, I'm British. And among fellow human beings, I'm European.
Even that old solipsist Galloway must know that he's no longer electable - therefore he can only be looked upon as a spoiler candidate. I suppose he must be doing this out of a deeply held animus towards the Labour Party. Not that I mind too much - makes the by-election a tad more exciting.
Gorton is just the ticket for Galloway but only as a Labour candidate. George must have expected his old mate Jeremy to give him a hero's welcome back into a chastened, wiser Labour Party and offer up some rotten borough for Gorgeous to carpet bag , yet nothing doing. Scorned GG is out for revenge.
I'm a bit confused by the laptop ban because I've often tried to voluntarily put my laptop in hold luggage and they've said I can't for security reasons...
I'm a bit confused by the laptop ban because I've often tried to voluntarily put my laptop in hold luggage and they've said I can't for security reasons...
I'm a bit confused by the laptop ban because I've often tried to voluntarily put my laptop in hold luggage and they've said I can't for security reasons...
Wasn't that down to Lockerbie? I think the bomb was in a stereo or something.
I'm a bit confused by the laptop ban because I've often tried to voluntarily put my laptop in hold luggage and they've said I can't for security reasons...
Wasn't that down to Lockerbie? I think the bomb was in a stereo or something.
Surely they subject hold luggage to the same screening procedures as hand luggage?
I'm a bit confused by the laptop ban because I've often tried to voluntarily put my laptop in hold luggage and they've said I can't for security reasons...
Wasn't that down to Lockerbie? I think the bomb was in a stereo or something.
Surely they subject hold luggage to the same screening procedures as hand luggage?
Yeah, but I think for a while it was discouraged? I might be misremembering!
Me too. Rarely work. But when I'm in Biz at least half the passengers spend hours hunched over their Apple Macs.
And I DO watch my iPad, it's better than any IFE.
This ban is designed to hurt Gulf Airlines commercially, and it will do damage. And, to be fair, they are very heavily subsidised by the UAE: the Americans have a point.
I doubt Emirates is subsidised. Not sure about the Etihad or Qatar. Unlike Abu Dhabi (Etihad) and Qatar, Dubai needs the revenue from its airline because it doesn't have much oil. It is true that its accounting is opaque so there is a possibility of cross subsidisation between airport rents, taxes on tourists and airline revenues. The ruling family gets all the revenues from each of those sources.
Even that old solipsist Galloway must know that he's no longer electable - therefore he can only be looked upon as a spoiler candidate. I suppose he must be doing this out of a deeply held animus towards the Labour Party. Not that I mind too much - makes the by-election a tad more exciting.
It might give good value odds on the donkey in a Red rosette, er 'the duly chosen Labour candidate'. When was the last time Labour lost such an ultra-safe seat at a byelection?
That ban on electronic devices to the uninitiated may have looked 48 hours ago like a Republic of Trumpton move against Muslims. Now it looks different. This is not general precaution. They've got wind of new methods.
Le Pen 26% Macron 25.5% Fillon 17.5% Hamon 11.5% Mélenchon 11.5% Dupont-Aignan 5% <-- up 1.5% since 14-17 Mar: an impressive advance for someone who wasn't even in last night's TV debate
Le Pen 26% Macron 25.5% Fillon 17.5% Hamon 11.5% Mélenchon 11.5% Dupont-Aignan 5% <-- up 1.5% since 14-17 Mar: an impressive advance for someone who wasn't even in last night's TV debate</p>
Hamon and Melenchon tied, I think the only real change was a boost for Melenchon and a hit for Hamon
That ban on electronic devices to the uninitiated may have looked 48 hours ago like a Republic of Trumpton move against Muslims. Now it looks different. This is not general precaution. They've got wind of new methods.
I'm all in favour of tight security on aeroplanes, but how can they be sure that flights only from those six countries might otherwise be susceptible to those methods? Also got to wonder what terror weapon could be concealed in a tablet and not be evident when scanned, but couldn't successfully be hidden in a smartphone.
That ban on electronic devices to the uninitiated may have looked 48 hours ago like a Republic of Trumpton move against Muslims. Now it looks different. This is not general precaution. They've got wind of new methods.
I'm all in favour of tight security on aeroplanes, but how can they be sure that flights only from those six countries might otherwise be susceptible to those methods?
What seems really strange to me is the confidence that the terrorists will only fly on certain airlines.
Even that old solipsist Galloway must know that he's no longer electable - therefore he can only be looked upon as a spoiler candidate. I suppose he must be doing this out of a deeply held animus towards the Labour Party. Not that I mind too much - makes the by-election a tad more exciting.
It might give good value odds on the donkey in a Red rosette, er 'the duly chosen Labour candidate'. When was the last time Labour lost such an ultra-safe seat at a byelection?
That ban on electronic devices to the uninitiated may have looked 48 hours ago like a Republic of Trumpton move against Muslims. Now it looks different. This is not general precaution. They've got wind of new methods.
I'm all in favour of tight security on aeroplanes, but how can they be sure that flights only from those six countries might otherwise be susceptible to those methods? Also got to wonder what terror weapon could be concealed in a tablet and not be evident when scanned, but couldn't successfully be hidden in a smartphone.
No doubt an assessment of said countries security procedures, and general heightened risk from those areas.
"Let me tell you about a friend of mine. She woke up the day after the 2015 election, heartbroken that fear and division had won. "
Don't you feel a bit queasy about supporting a party whose leader says that the result of a democratic election, won by a moderate centre-right party, with roots going back centuries and led by a conspicuously moderate and decent leader, meant that 'fear and division had won'?
Nope. Remember the campaign.
I do. Surely it would be fairer to suggest that fear lost?
Miliband in Salmond's pocket? "Competence not chaos" - that was a joke! Secret decapitation of LibDems who had supported them in coalition.
Wasn't bloody secret.
When Dave campaigned in Yeovil, 400 yards from Paddy Ashdown's house, Paddy and the Lib Dems thought it confirmed Dave, George, Andrew Feldman, and Sir Lynton (pbuh) didn't have a flipping clue about campaigning or winning.
There was much criticism of the Lib Dem campaign team at the time - without up to date polling they simply had no idea what was going on on the ground. The Tories were polling daily and even though the party on the ground in places like Torbay and in places like Yeovil were asking for more help it all fell on deaf ears...there was an over-reliance on the incumbency effect which in Yeovil in particular was pointless because David Laws was spending much of his time in London and away from the constituency.
Why would the LDs need polling in places like Yeovil ? I thought they did the pavements for donkeys years.
I suspect Lib Dems weren't used to people lying to them when canvassing, because they'd never been in power and unpopular before.
... and yet their Richmond park canvass returns were pretty close to the result.
They were wrong in Stoke, mind. Said UKIP couldn't come 2nd
It is interesting that the formula the Lib Dems use was designed by David Williams in Richmond. I never found it that much use in Labour areas. For reference the orginal Richmond formula was: Lib = 2D/3+P/2 where D= definite and P=probable Con= HC+UC +[(HC+UC)xUnc/Co] where HC=Hard Con, UC=Undecided Con, Unc=D/3+P/2 +Anti+ NotVoting/2, and Co= HC+UC+ Hard Labour + Undecided Labour. You can work out Lab using the same principles. More recently Soft Con and Soft Lab were
"Let me tell you about a friend of mine. She woke up the day after the 2015 election, heartbroken that fear and division had won. "
Don't you feel a bit queasy about supporting a party whose leader says that the result of a democratic election, won by a moderate centre-right party, with roots going back centuries and led by a conspicuously moderate and decent leader, meant that 'fear and division had won'?
Nope. Remember the campaign.
I do. Surely it would be fairer to suggest that fear lost?
Miliband in Salmond's pocket? "Competence not chaos" - that was a joke! Secret decapitation of LibDems who had supported them in coalition.
Wasn't bloody secret.
When Dave campaigned in Yeovil, 400 yards from Paddy Ashdown's house, Paddy and the Lib Dems thought it confirmed Dave, George, Andrew Feldman, and Sir Lynton (pbuh) didn't have a flipping clue about campaigning or winning.
There was much criticism of the Lib Dem campaign team at the time - without up to date polling they simply had no idea what was going on on the ground. The Tories were polling daily and even though the party on the ground in places like Torbay and in places like Yeovil were asking for more help it all fell on deaf ears...there was an over-reliance on the incumbency effect which in Yeovil in particular was pointless because David Laws was spending much of his time in London and away from the constituency.
Why would the LDs need polling in places like Yeovil ? I thought they did the pavements for donkeys years.
I suspect Lib Dems weren't used to people lying to them when canvassing, because they'd never been in power and unpopular before.
... and yet their Richmond park canvass returns were pretty close to the result.
They were wrong in Stoke, mind. Said UKIP couldn't come 2nd
That ban on electronic devices to the uninitiated may have looked 48 hours ago like a Republic of Trumpton move against Muslims. Now it looks different. This is not general precaution. They've got wind of new methods.
I'm all in favour of tight security on aeroplanes, but how can they be sure that flights only from those six countries might otherwise be susceptible to those methods? Also got to wonder what terror weapon could be concealed in a tablet and not be evident when scanned, but wouldn't fit in a smartphone.
I'm sure all will be revealed shortly. I remember flying on the day when liquids were first banned out of the blue. The rules hadn't yet been codified and it was chaos with most flights cancelled, then on the return the next day they wouldn't allow any hand luggage at all.
That ban on electronic devices to the uninitiated may have looked 48 hours ago like a Republic of Trumpton move against Muslims. Now it looks different. This is not general precaution. They've got wind of new methods.
I'm all in favour of tight security on aeroplanes, but how can they be sure that flights only from those six countries might otherwise be susceptible to those methods? Also got to wonder what terror weapon could be concealed in a tablet and not be evident when scanned, but couldn't successfully be hidden in a smartphone.
No doubt an assessment of said countries security procedures, and general heightened risk from those areas.
That makes sense. But surely you hit all airlines flying from there then?
As an aside... Security flying from Turkey and Dubai is pretty tight in my experience.
"Let me tell you about a friend of mine. She woke up the day after the 2015 election, heartbroken that fear and division had won. "
Don't you feel a bit queasy about supporting a party whose leader says that the result of a democratic election, won by a moderate centre-right party, with roots going back centuries and led by a conspicuously moderate and decent leader, meant that 'fear and division had won'?
Nope. Remember the campaign.
I do. Surely it would be fairer to suggest that fear lost?
Miliband in Salmond's pocket? "Competence not chaos" - that was a joke! Secret decapitation of LibDems who had supported them in coalition.
Wasn't bloody secret.
When Dave campaigned in Yeovil, 400 yards from Paddy Ashdown's house, Paddy and the Lib Dems thought it confirmed Dave, George, Andrew Feldman, and Sir Lynton (pbuh) didn't have a flipping clue about campaigning or winning.
There was much criticism of the Lib Dem campaign team at the time - without up to date polling they simply had no idea what was going on on the ground. The Tories were polling daily and even though the party on the ground in places like Torbay and in places like Yeovil were asking for more help it all fell on deaf ears...there was an over-reliance on the incumbency effect which in Yeovil in particular was pointless because David Laws was spending much of his time in London and away from the constituency.
Why would the LDs need polling in places like Yeovil ? I thought they did the pavements for donkeys years.
I suspect Lib Dems weren't used to people lying to them when canvassing, because they'd never been in power and unpopular before.
... and yet their Richmond park canvass returns were pretty close to the result.
They were wrong in Stoke, mind. Said UKIP couldn't come 2nd
... but very nearly right.
If UKIP had come 79 votes behind the Tories instead of 79 votes ahead, I'd still say anyone who claimed "they couldn't come 2nd" was wrong.
Le Pen 26% Macron 25.5% Fillon 17.5% Hamon 11.5% Mélenchon 11.5% Dupont-Aignan 5% <-- up 1.5% since 14-17 Mar: an impressive advance for someone who wasn't even in last night's TV debate</p>
Indeed, if he continues his rate of progress, he could be President....
That ban on electronic devices to the uninitiated may have looked 48 hours ago like a Republic of Trumpton move against Muslims. Now it looks different. This is not general precaution. They've got wind of new methods.
I'm all in favour of tight security on aeroplanes, but how can they be sure that flights only from those six countries might otherwise be susceptible to those methods? Also got to wonder what terror weapon could be concealed in a tablet and not be evident when scanned, but couldn't successfully be hidden in a smartphone.
No doubt an assessment of said countries security procedures, and general heightened risk from those areas.
That makes sense. But surely you hit all airlines flying from there then?
As an aside... Security flying from Turkey and Dubai is pretty tight in my experience.
It might not be a single point of failure but a weakness that relies on something airside being compromised too.
- Jonathan Ball, the three year old boy killed in Warrington while out shopping for a Mother's Day card. His mother died of a broken heart. - Jean McConville, a mother of 10, "disappeared" and killed for showing kindness to a wounded British soldier. - Robert Nairac, the British soldier kidnapped from a pub, tortured and killed in 1977. - Heidi Hazell, a German girl sitting in a car with British number plates outside an army base in Germany and shot 14 times at point blank range. - Royal Air Force Corporal Maheshkumar Islania and his 6 month old daughter who were shot dead in their car outside an RAF base in Germany. The baby was being held in her mother's arms.
And all the many many other victims of the IRA.
May they rest in peace.
And Philip Geddes, killed by the IRA Harrods bomb and a former President of the Edmund Burke society.....like Mrs May....
Depends hat rip it up means. I'm sure the Bill will go through. Will everything get repealed that it proposes to repeal? Another issue, but hard to call an election over - "Save Clauses 73 and 79a!"
Don't fall for the spin, the Great Repeal Bill will do the precise opposite of what it says on the tin - it will explicitly prevent some large but unknown number* of pieces of UK law derived from EU regulations from being accidentally repealed when we leave the EU.
As such, it's largely technical but absolutely indispensable if we're to avoid utter chaos.
* An MP who sits on the relevant Select Committee told me it might be as many as 20,000
It's the "incorporate in haste and repeal at leisure" Bill which is of course how it has to be.
- Jonathan Ball, the three year old boy killed in Warrington while out shopping for a Mother's Day card. His mother died of a broken heart. - Jean McConville, a mother of 10, "disappeared" and killed for showing kindness to a wounded British soldier. - Robert Nairac, the British soldier kidnapped from a pub, tortured and killed in 1977. - Heidi Hazell, a German girl sitting in a car with British number plates outside an army base in Germany and shot 14 times at point blank range. - Royal Air Force Corporal Maheshkumar Islania and his 6 month old daughter who were shot dead in their car outside an RAF base in Germany. The baby was being held in her mother's arms.
And all the many many other victims of the IRA.
May they rest in peace.
And Philip Geddes, killed by the IRA Harrods bomb and a former President of the Edmund Burke society.....like Mrs May....
True. And all those poor sods , many of them women and children, who were killed by planes and drones in Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Yemen, Libya.............
That ban on electronic devices to the uninitiated may have looked 48 hours ago like a Republic of Trumpton move against Muslims. Now it looks different. This is not general precaution. They've got wind of new methods.
I'm all in favour of tight security on aeroplanes, but how can they be sure that flights only from those six countries might otherwise be susceptible to those methods? Also got to wonder what terror weapon could be concealed in a tablet and not be evident when scanned, but couldn't successfully be hidden in a smartphone.
No doubt an assessment of said countries security procedures, and general heightened risk from those areas.
That makes sense. But surely you hit all airlines flying from there then?
As an aside... Security flying from Turkey and Dubai is pretty tight in my experience.
It might not be a single point of failure but a weakness that relies on something airside being compromised too.
Could be. Have to say I'm not convinced. A blanket ban for all planes would be simpler and safer and perhaps fairer. This smacks of lobbying from US airlines/fear of upsetting them.
@slade the Lib equation I get, but what is the rationale behind the Con one?
The assumptions are that some of the voters who say they will probably vote for you won't, those who say they won't vote for you ( the Antis) will vote for someone else , and some of those who say they won't vote will vote for someone else. They are then allocated in proportion to the other party votes you have recorded.
Le Pen 26% Macron 25.5% Fillon 17.5% Hamon 11.5% Mélenchon 11.5% Dupont-Aignan 5% <-- up 1.5% since 14-17 Mar: an impressive advance for someone who wasn't even in last night's TV debate</p>
Indeed, if he continues his rate of progress, he could be President....
.. in 2022!
If Hamon and Mélenchon could see sense, one of them opting out could have things interesting.
Maybe if they choose a woman the local Muslim community will largely go for Galloway instead?
Do the Muslims of Bethnal Green, Bolton SE, Birmingham Ladywood vote for a male Muslim ? They had the choice. In fact, Naz Shah beat Galloway decisively.
Maybe if they choose a woman the local Muslim community will largely go for Galloway instead?
No. Pakistan and Bangla Desh have had plenty of leading women politicians including both main party leaders in the latter - their democracies have loads of problems, but being anti-women isn't one of them. You're thinking of Saudi Arabia, perhaps. Not many people of Saudi descent in Gorton, I'd think.
Maybe if they choose a woman the local Muslim community will largely go for Galloway instead?
No. Pakistan and Bangla Desh have had plenty of leading women politicians including both main party leaders in the latter - their democracies have loads of problems, but being anti-women isn't one of them. You're thinking of Saudi Arabia, perhaps. Not many people of Saudi descent in Gorton, I'd think.
In fact, since 1993 Bangladesh had these two women as PM's in turn. Pakistan obviously had Benazir Bhutto.
Le Pen 26% Macron 25.5% Fillon 17.5% Hamon 11.5% Mélenchon 11.5% Dupont-Aignan 5% <-- up 1.5% since 14-17 Mar: an impressive advance for someone who wasn't even in last night's TV debate</p>
Indeed, if he continues his rate of progress, he could be President....
.. in 2022!
If Hamon and Mélenchon could see sense, one of them opting out could have things interesting.
I think given his performance in last night's debate, Melenchon could have had a real chance, had Hamon seen sense and given way. They were both so stubborn that neither would stand down, but as Melenchon said.. this is probably his last shot, whereas Hamon's political career is just beginning.
Even that old solipsist Galloway must know that he's no longer electable - therefore he can only be looked upon as a spoiler candidate. I suppose he must be doing this out of a deeply held animus towards the Labour Party. Not that I mind too much - makes the by-election a tad more exciting.
It might give good value odds on the donkey in a Red rosette, er 'the duly chosen Labour candidate'. When was the last time Labour lost such an ultra-safe seat at a byelection?
2008. Glasgow East.
1988, Glasgow Govan for last time in opposition.
Many thanks. I'll read them up a bit further although Scotland is almost, er, a foreign country.
1.12 doesn't seem attractive, but Mike S said earlier than the odds had lengthened to about 1.33.
That ban on electronic devices to the uninitiated may have looked 48 hours ago like a Republic of Trumpton move against Muslims. Now it looks different. This is not general precaution. They've got wind of new methods.
I'm all in favour of tight security on aeroplanes, but how can they be sure that flights only from those six countries might otherwise be susceptible to those methods?
What seems really strange to me is the confidence that the terrorists will only fly on certain airlines.
Or to certain countries on certain airlines. Why is it only the US and the UK doing this? Or have others decided to as well?
First mistake by Lisa Nandy. She should have totally ignored the old has been. You would honestly have thought that pointless old has beens and never was' would have been a Labour speciality too.
Le Pen 26% Macron 25.5% Fillon 17.5% Hamon 11.5% Mélenchon 11.5% Dupont-Aignan 5% <-- up 1.5% since 14-17 Mar: an impressive advance for someone who wasn't even in last night's TV debate</p>
Indeed, if he continues his rate of progress, he could be President....
.. in 2022!
Really? He has made it from 3.5% to 5% in four days. There are 33 days left.
Those percentages are rounded to the nearest 0.5%.
Worst case: climb from 3.75 to 4.75: 0.25 per day: R1 score: 13.3%; middle case: climb from 3.5 to 5: 0.375 per day: R1 score: 17.4%; best case: climb from 3.25 to 5.25: 0.5 per day: R1 score: 21.5%.
(Please don't anyone take this arithmetic extrapolation seriously! He has done very well for someone who didn't appear in the debate; that's all.)
Meanwhile someone is offering Juppé at 850. Got to wonder what on earth would have to happen for Juppé to win? Ten candidates withdraw and nominations reopen?
Being blunt about Galloway's tactics, his chances essentially depend on the size of the Asian and Muslim communities. In which case Manchester Gorton is one of the best seats in the country for him, but noticeably worse than Bradford West.
Gorton is 30% Asian, BW is 55%. Out of the current 650 seats that's ranking 25th and 3rd highest respectively.
Gorton is 30% Muslim, BW is 50%. Rankings 11th and 2nd respectively.
Gorton is 7th highest student vote in the country, but that's still less than 10%. Potentially if Galloway makes the case that he's the real Labour candidate and the other one is a Blairite anti-corbyn stooge he can win those? Suffice to say there is a path to victory for him but it's narrower than before. But then, he won with room to spare in BW (56% v 29%).
Le Pen 26% Macron 25.5% Fillon 17.5% Hamon 11.5% Mélenchon 11.5% Dupont-Aignan 5% <-- up 1.5% since 14-17 Mar: an impressive advance for someone who wasn't even in last night's TV debate</p>
Indeed, if he continues his rate of progress, he could be President....
.. in 2022!
If Hamon and Mélenchon could see sense, one of them opting out could have things interesting.
I think given his performance in last night's debate, Melenchon could have had a real chance, had Hamon seen sense and given way. They were both so stubborn that neither would stand down, but as Melenchon said.. this is probably his last shot, whereas Hamon's political career is just beginning.
Hamon is the official PS candidate, the PS will not allow him to withdraw leaving the main centre left party with no candidate in the race
Being blunt about Galloway's tactics, his chances essentially depend on the size of the Asian and Muslim communities. In which case Manchester Gorton is one of the best seats in the country for him, but noticeably worse than Bradford West.
Gorton is 30% Asian, BW is 55%. Out of the current 650 seats that's ranking 25th and 3rd highest respectively.
Gorton is 30% Muslim, BW is 50%. Rankings 11th and 2nd respectively.
Gorton is 7th highest student vote in the country, but that's still less than 10%. Potentially if Galloway makes the case that he's the real Labour candidate and the other one is a Blairite anti-corbyn stooge he can win those? Suffice to say there is a path to victory for him but it's narrower than before. But then, he won with room to spare in BW (56% v 29%).
Thanks for those figures, I thought about looking them up before betting on him but thought the 25-1 was still just about okay. It's definitely a harder seat to win, but it's worth remembering that the Labour candidate, as always, doesn't have the history that their predecessor had. It certainly should be interesting.
Le Pen 26% Macron 25.5% Fillon 17.5% Hamon 11.5% Mélenchon 11.5% Dupont-Aignan 5% <-- up 1.5% since 14-17 Mar: an impressive advance for someone who wasn't even in last night's TV debate</p>
Indeed, if he continues his rate of progress, he could be President....
.. in 2022!
If Hamon and Mélenchon could see sense, one of them opting out could have things interesting.
I think given his performance in last night's debate, Melenchon could have had a real chance, had Hamon seen sense and given way. They were both so stubborn that neither would stand down, but as Melenchon said.. this is probably his last shot, whereas Hamon's political career is just beginning.
Hamon is the official PS candidate, the PS will not allow him to withdraw leaving the main centre left party with no candidate in the race
They wouldn't like it. Mélenchon could offer him the prime ministership.
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https://twitter.com/dailymailuk/status/844221635435646976
I didn't think his weather forecasts were that bad.
(I remind PBers that Leeds Central CLP recently passed a motion calling for the renationalisation of BA, so I am only reflecting Momentum policy!)
Still awaiting evidence or even pointers to evidence that back up your assertion that people on the streets thought of themselves as European and so broke down, or helped to break down, the sectarian divide.
Fancy folk from overseas saying nice things about the EU doesn't cut it.
The effect can operate on the subconscious level and it's surely true that the EU was a 'neutral' shared political framework in a way that an Anglo-Irish agreement alone never could be.
Besides which, it's not as zero sum as that. Trade deals are done because they are about a win-win, not a win-lose. If they are a win-lose then "no deal", and walking away, is always an option. That's not to say one side might win more but a 200% win for the US and a 100% win for, say, New Zealand would still lead to a deal being made between the US and New Zealand if the alternative would be nil-nil.
On the bullying, picking out countries for unilateral selective treatment like this does (unless justified) encourage tit-for-tat reprisals, from which everyone loses.
What the UK loses in absolute economic size from quitting the EU, it gains in flexibility and the fact it will generally consider deeper access to its markets than the EU.
The reality is that no matter how much Tory MPs and activists might like a GE, and how much journalists who haven't caught up with the workings of the FTPA might speculate, May can't call one without some reason that will fly in the Commons.
Six months ago, when Labour was only 10 points or so behind, Labour MPs might well have backed a dissolution motion as a means of limiting the damage Corbyn could do, as well as staving off the boundary review. But with Labour now 15+ points behind and questions being asked about how defensible Gorton is (Lab majority 24000), there might be rather a lot more reticence about going to the country. Even if it would rid the party of Corbyn, it'd give the Tories such a structural advantage in terms of the seats gained or driven out of sight that the damage done by not voting for an election would be less than damage done by enabling one. Though of course, that does rely on them being able to do something about the leader before 2020.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39343971
Hmmm. I suspect if there is a whiff of revolt we would just delay.
http://labourlist.org/2017/03/gorton-shortlist-revealed/
Everyone looks local - I don't know any of them.
As such, it's largely technical but absolutely indispensable if we're to avoid utter chaos.
* An MP who sits on the relevant Select Committee told me it might be as many as 20,000
Le Pen 26%
Macron 25.5%
Fillon 17.5%
Hamon 11.5%
Mélenchon 11.5%
Dupont-Aignan 5% <-- up 1.5% since 14-17 Mar: an impressive advance for someone who wasn't even in last night's TV debate
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4335196/Good-riddance-McGuinness-writes-Katie-Hopkins.html
1988, Glasgow Govan for last time in opposition.
Lib = 2D/3+P/2 where D= definite and P=probable
Con= HC+UC +[(HC+UC)xUnc/Co] where HC=Hard Con, UC=Undecided Con, Unc=D/3+P/2 +Anti+ NotVoting/2, and Co= HC+UC+ Hard Labour + Undecided Labour.
You can work out Lab using the same principles.
More recently Soft Con and Soft Lab were
https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/844215002953383936
As an aside... Security flying from Turkey and Dubai is pretty tight in my experience.
When I was an agent we used to do the calculations by hand but now a computer programme is used.
.. in 2022!
So you are talking prejudiced shit.
Lab is a buy @ 74% in Gorton.
A typo I think, they've never been 1/3.. unless you mean their vote share!! @Tissue_Price was 40-42 BUY BUY BUY!!
1.12 doesn't seem attractive, but Mike S said earlier than the odds had lengthened to about 1.33.
Those percentages are rounded to the nearest 0.5%.
Worst case: climb from 3.75 to 4.75: 0.25 per day: R1 score: 13.3%;
middle case: climb from 3.5 to 5: 0.375 per day: R1 score: 17.4%;
best case: climb from 3.25 to 5.25: 0.5 per day: R1 score: 21.5%.
(Please don't anyone take this arithmetic extrapolation seriously! He has done very well for someone who didn't appear in the debate; that's all.)
Meanwhile someone is offering Juppé at 850. Got to wonder what on earth would have to happen for Juppé to win? Ten candidates withdraw and nominations reopen?
https://twitter.com/nicolasturgeon/status/844245124259467264
Gorton is 30% Asian, BW is 55%. Out of the current 650 seats that's ranking 25th and 3rd highest respectively.
Gorton is 30% Muslim, BW is 50%. Rankings 11th and 2nd respectively.
Gorton is 7th highest student vote in the country, but that's still less than 10%. Potentially if Galloway makes the case that he's the real Labour candidate and the other one is a Blairite anti-corbyn stooge he can win those? Suffice to say there is a path to victory for him but it's narrower than before. But then, he won with room to spare in BW (56% v 29%).
Not just us then?