.... but at least they are our psychopaths who can be voted out
Really?
How do we do that without an opposition? We are a one-party state at the moment and the Tories are the only game in town
That will change.
When? Any time in the next 10 years? 2030?
I find it extremely hard to believe (no matter how much I want it) that it will be Tory hegemony for the next 10/15 years.
I do NOT want a Tory Hegemony for the next 10/15 years, not because I am anti-tory but because a govt of any political colour needs to know that it can be tossed out by the electorate. That is vital for a healthy democracy.
The irony contained within that post is stunning. Healthy for democracy to be able to kick the buggers out eh- except when talking about the EU.
No, that is not the point I am making. I am not trying to talk anyone out of "Leave". What I am disputing is that "Leave" is the best option for the UK. I am firmly of the opinion that "Leave" is the worst option but it has happened. I am preparing my own plans to deal with the fallout from "Leave".
I would very, very much like to find that I am wrong and the "Leave" will be a stunning success but from what I see that will not be the case.
The problem around here is that if you try and get any discussion on the issue you are immediately branded as a sh*t shvelling Quisling. Discussion is not permitted. Either become a loyal Brexiteer or expect to be roasted, vilified and deridded.
That's not a rant. That's me making a measured assessment of the facts, and a calm appraisal of your wretchedly boring personality and disgusting, worthless opinions. You're relatively new here, however, so I will kindly overlook your misprision.
I am indeed relatively new here - I have only been on PB for about five or six years.
Should I be shocked at the number of Twats tweeting about everyday crimes in Sweden and said twats trying to prove it is indicative of something or not? seriously one guy tweeted about a car jacking in sweden and tried to make out that proves "trump was right"!!!! Morons.
Listen out in the next few months for the sound of Britain’s Brexit plan crashing onto the rocks, with a Prime Minister at the helm convinced she can repeat the trick right up to the moment that the boat starts to run aground.
Are we sure this wasn't written by a PBer?
From the same source, though, I did find this quite interesting
The tenure of our Prime Ministers is bookended by two letters. The first is one with instructions to those in charge of our nuclear weapons, written as soon as they arrive in Downing Street; the last is one with good wishes for your successor written just as they leave. Gordon wrote three letters in those final hours – two to heroes that inspired him (Aung San Suu Kyi and Nelson Mandela) and one to David Cameron (accompanied by a bottle of something strong, as I remember).
Quite nice to be reminded of Brown's sentimental side - he wasn't all about the Nokia-smashing contests - but rather curious time management, on an utterly frenetic day, given that his hero-letters were not time-critical. I wonder whether he has come to realise that his choice of hero has only had a 50% hit rate ... safer to see how your heroes actually govern, rather than how they oppose, or else you end up giving Mugabe a knighthood.
Should I be shocked at the number of Twats tweeting about everyday crimes in Sweden and said twats trying to prove it is indicative of something or not? seriously one guy tweeted about a car jacking in sweden and tried to make out that proves "trump was right"!!!! Morons.
.... but at least they are our psychopaths who can be voted out
Really?
How do we do that without an opposition? We are a one-party state at the moment and the Tories are the only game in town
That will change.
When? Any time in the next 10 years? 2030?
I find it extremely hard to believe (no matter how much I want it) that it will be Tory hegemony for the next 10/15 years.
I do NOT want a Tory Hegemony for the next 10/15 years, not because I am anti-tory but because a govt of any political colour needs to know that it can be tossed out by the electorate. That is vital for a healthy democracy.
The irony contained within that post is stunning. Healthy for democracy to be able to kick the buggers out eh- except when talking about the EU.
No, that is not the point I am making. I am not trying to talk anyone out of "Leave". What I am disputing is that "Leave" is the best option for the UK. I am firmly of the opinion that "Leave" is the worst option but it has happened. I am preparing my own plans to deal with the fallout from "Leave".
I would very, very much like to find that I am wrong and the "Leave" will be a stunning success but from what I see that will not be the case.
The problem around here is that if you try and get any discussion on the issue you are immediately branded as a sh*t shvelling Quisling. Discussion is not permitted. Either become a loyal Brexiteer or expect to be roasted, vilified and deridded.
By some. We have once remainers now, I would argue, too passionate in their Leave position, and leavers who can and have expressed concerns about the government position and supported the right of people to legally challenge aspects of the process, and even the right of parliament to ignore it all (though politically that is an unfeasible option). The place was and is leave heavy, and there are people who pull out the quisling remarks, but there are positions inbetween permitted.
Never be shocked at the number of twats, on anything. A lot of people otherwise not particularly twattish become so online, enough to fill up sides on nearly any debate.
The problem around here is that if you try and get any discussion on the issue you are immediately branded as a sh*t shvelling Quisling. Discussion is not permitted. Either become a loyal Brexiteer or expect to be roasted, vilified and deridded.
You're playing the victim card. Put it away. It's pathetic. Less than an hour ago, people were referring to 'Brexitloons'.
The Remainers appear to largely be a coalition of the 'referendums are once in a generation' set, along with the 'we want PR/a Fair voting system' set.
Obviously these 'principles' are of the Groucho Marx variety when coping with a defeat.
I'm confused. Are you talking about Gidleigh or Boringdon?
Boringdon. (I don't think anything much has changed at Gidleigh in decades, apart from the chef!)
Then we were dining in the same hotel on the same night!
You're completely wrong about Boringdon. It has a fucking Elizabethan Great Hall, for God's sake. And a minstrels gallery. What do you want, hi tech discos?
The food is not Gidleigh standard - it's 3 rosettes against 2 Michelin stars - but it's still jolly good. Some is exquisite (the Roquefort trifle!)
There are many rooms with varying atmos, some need a bit of sprucing, some are magnificent and old. But the whole place has been transformed from when i came here 5 years ago, and the spa is one of the best in the entire UK. Indeed it's one of the best spas I have seen, anywhere in the world, in the last five years. And, trust me, I've seen a lot of bloody spas. From the Maldives to Lake Lugano, from Ibiza to Chile to California to Venice.
And how much is Boringdon? You can get a night next week for 90 quid. Gidleigh is 270.
Indeed I think it is Gidleigh which needs some attention (the dining rooms are now feeling poky, and subdued). And it hasn't got a spa with gym and indoor pool etc. Which is now becoming essential for truly 5 star country hotels.
Gidleigh needs investment.
Is that Boringdon Hall just up the hill from Colebrook, Plympton? If so, I worked there one summer when it was in great need of some TLC. It was being used for storage of agricultural feed and bedding. Glad it was renovated. It was for sale in 1972 for GBP 50k!!
Used to live at the bottom of the hill, on Colebrook Road.
Welcome @JoStevensLabour to the position of Shadow Welsh Secretary - as a proud Welshwoman I know the dedication with which she’ll serve
Que? - Jo Stevens was shadow Welsh Secretary until last January, she resigned in order to vote against A50 and Christina Rees was appointed as her replacement in Feb 2017 – An old tweet, or has there been another reshuffle of those already reshuffled, having stood down in the interim?
Brexit, OTOH, has the potential to wreck the UK or damage it very severely for decades to come.
Project FEAR!
That does not mean it cannot happen Sunil.
Not to worry.... in 6 months we will all know better.
Sunil's Great British Railway Journeys - 2017 Edition. Rail routes that Sunil has done for the first time - excludes journeys taken to reach said routes. Other routes were done for the first time in previous calendar years.
January: Doncaster to Hull via Selby, Chester to Warrington Bank Quay, Warrington Bank Quay to Newton-le-Willows, Bermondsey Dive-under (London Bridge to New Cross Gate), Hayes & Harlington "new" bay platform, Heathrow Airport junction new layout (slow tracks).
February: Sheffield to Lincoln, Swinton (Yorks.) to Fitzwilliam, Leeds to York (direct), Doncaster to Cleethorpes, Heathrow Airport junction new layout (fast tracks), Guide Bridge to Rose Hill, Leeds to Skipton, Deansgate to Leyland, Preston to Blackpool North, Blackpool Tramway (Fleetwood Ferry to Starr Gate), Manchester Victoria to Mirfield via Brighouse, Leeds to Sowerby Bridge via Bradford Interchange, Manchester Victoria to Stalybridge, Manchester Victoria to Southport, Wigan Wallgate to Kirkby, Chinley to Ashburys (Manchester), Preston to Ormskirk, Moorthorpe to Church Fenton (via Pontefract Baghill), West Ealing new bay platform (Greenford shuttle), Meadowhall to Leeds (via Barnsley and Castleford), Woodlesford to Normanton (direct), Kirkstall Forge to Ilkley, Guiseley to Bradford Forster Square, Frizinghall to Saltaire, Micklefield to Selby, York to Scarborough, Castleford to Knottingley, Pontefract Monkhill to Wakefield Kirkgate, Leeds to York (via Harrogate).
"Apart from failing to catch the 1224 from Doncaster to Pontefract Monkhill direct (massively delayed by Storm Doris on Thursday 23rd), Sunil declared his "Northern Expedition" a resounding success."
Meh. Not sure that was all that insightful actually. Impossible to know whether TMay is a plankbrained thickhead who persists in believing that all European negotiations work precisely like her sole previous experience of European negotiations, and will therefore stuff this one up, or whether she is mentally plus-quam-pea-sized, in which case she will recognise that not all European negotiations work the same as each other.
I'm not saying it's impossible that she is being misled by her previous experiences - 'tis entirely plausible - but it's worth considering the counter-factuals too, which make the article's claims rather less impressive.
If TMay had zero experience of European negotations, we would be looking at an equivalent article that proclaims "TMay is being misled at how easy European negotiations are, because her previous negotiation experience was not in an EU context". What an asset some prior EU negotiation experience would be!
If TMay had some other, non-zero experience of European negotiations, whatever kind of negotiations they were would not have been the complex, full-spectrum affair that Brexit will be. There would obviously be important aspects in which her experience was not representative of the challenges she was about to face, so we would be reading an article about the way in which the asset of her previous experience could actually be a down-side as it was leading her to false expectations about the way Brexit negotiations will work.
If TMay had previous experience of successfully completing EU withdrawal negotiations .... then we'd be living in a parallel universe and wouldn't be reading such an article. Though if there were a parallel universe in which the Brexit vote had taken place in 2012, and TMay had finished the withdrawal off by 2015, then if anyone from said universe is reading (we do seem to have all kinds of prominent lurkers on here) it would be quite nice if we could borrow your incarnation of TMay for a bit. Ta much.
I am doubtful the Government is very serious about negotiating with the EU for reasons I set out here. It's baffling but it looks like they will just accept more or less whatever the EU gives them. They are probably hoping to push any real decisions into a transition period, on the basis that the EU will play ball. They can then declare success and hold an election.
"Apart from failing to catch the 1224 from Doncaster to Pontefract Monkhill direct (massively delayed by Storm Doris on Thursday 23rd), Sunil declared his "Northern Expedition" a resounding success."
I'm confused. Are you talking about Gidleigh or Boringdon?
Boringdon. (I don't think anything much has changed at Gidleigh in decades, apart from the chef!)
Then we were dining in the same hotel on the same night!
You're completely wrong about Boringdon. It has a fucking Elizabethan Great Hall, for God's sake. And a minstrels gallery. What do you want, hi tech discos?
The food is not Gidleigh standard - it's 3 rosettes against 2 Michelin stars - but it's still jolly good. Some is exquisite (the Roquefort trifle!)
There are many rooms with varying atmos, some need a bit of sprucing, some are magnificent and old. But the whole place has been transformed from when i came here 5 years ago, and the spa is one of the best in the entire UK. Indeed it's one of the best spas I have seen, anywhere in the world, in the last five years. And, trust me, I've seen a lot of bloody spas. From the Maldives to Lake Lugano, from Ibiza to Chile to California to Venice.
And how much is Boringdon? You can get a night next week for 90 quid. Gidleigh is 270.
Indeed I think it is Gidleigh which needs some attention (the dining rooms are now feeling poky, and subdued). And it hasn't got a spa with gym and indoor pool etc. Which is now becoming essential for truly 5 star country hotels.
Gidleigh needs investment.
Agree about Gidleigh - Herself till loves it, but I think it needs an over haul. Perhaps that is why Michael Caines left.
Borindon burnt down in 1989. It does feel that much of its authenticity was cleansed then. What you have now is a modern recreation of an Elizabethan Manor. The faux period portraits are tacky - they look like they are photocopies. But it is impressive as you drive up to it (even though the parkland surroundings are now suburban Plymouth).
And no I don't want hi tech discos. I'll grin and bear it through the jazz. (Or maybe that was just for the Murder Mystery on last night?)
They have Michelin ambitions. I hope they get it. We need them in the South West. The re-opened version of the restaurant only opened in December. The staff were a bit haphazard, and having arrived at 7.40, it is not really acceptable to receive your starter at 9.15. The Sommelier is a very nice guy but acknowledges they may not be there yet - although he is upgrading the cellar.
I'll happily go back in a couple of months and see how they are getting on. I want them to succeed.
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I would very, very much like to find that I am wrong and the "Leave" will be a stunning success but from what I see that will not be the case.
The problem around here is that if you try and get any discussion on the issue you are immediately branded as a sh*t shvelling Quisling. Discussion is not permitted. Either become a loyal Brexiteer or expect to be roasted, vilified and deridded.
https://medium.com/@stewartwood6887/the-last-day-at-number-10-ccb5195a49f2#.puu8y2w4x
The tenure of our Prime Ministers is bookended by two letters. The first is one with instructions to those in charge of our nuclear weapons, written as soon as they arrive in Downing Street; the last is one with good wishes for your successor written just as they leave. Gordon wrote three letters in those final hours – two to heroes that inspired him (Aung San Suu Kyi and Nelson Mandela) and one to David Cameron (accompanied by a bottle of something strong, as I remember).
Quite nice to be reminded of Brown's sentimental side - he wasn't all about the Nokia-smashing contests - but rather curious time management, on an utterly frenetic day, given that his hero-letters were not time-critical. I wonder whether he has come to realise that his choice of hero has only had a 50% hit rate ... safer to see how your heroes actually govern, rather than how they oppose, or else you end up giving Mugabe a knighthood.
Thou Mayest!!
http://timshel.org/timshel.php
The Remainers appear to largely be a coalition of the 'referendums are once in a generation' set, along with the 'we want PR/a Fair voting system' set.
Obviously these 'principles' are of the Groucho Marx variety when coping with a defeat.
Used to live at the bottom of the hill, on Colebrook Road.
NEW THREAD
Edit - there it is!
first time - excludes journeys taken to reach said routes. Other routes were done for the first
time in previous calendar years.
January: Doncaster to Hull via Selby, Chester to Warrington Bank Quay, Warrington Bank Quay to Newton-le-Willows, Bermondsey Dive-under (London Bridge to New Cross Gate), Hayes & Harlington "new" bay platform, Heathrow Airport junction new layout (slow tracks).
February: Sheffield to Lincoln, Swinton (Yorks.) to Fitzwilliam, Leeds to York (direct), Doncaster to Cleethorpes, Heathrow Airport junction new layout (fast tracks), Guide Bridge to Rose Hill, Leeds to Skipton, Deansgate to Leyland, Preston to Blackpool North, Blackpool Tramway (Fleetwood Ferry to Starr Gate), Manchester Victoria to Mirfield via Brighouse, Leeds to Sowerby Bridge via Bradford Interchange, Manchester Victoria to Stalybridge, Manchester Victoria to Southport, Wigan Wallgate to Kirkby, Chinley to Ashburys (Manchester), Preston to Ormskirk, Moorthorpe to Church Fenton (via Pontefract Baghill), West Ealing new bay platform (Greenford shuttle), Meadowhall to Leeds (via Barnsley and Castleford), Woodlesford to Normanton (direct), Kirkstall Forge to Ilkley, Guiseley to Bradford Forster Square, Frizinghall to Saltaire, Micklefield to Selby, York to Scarborough, Castleford to Knottingley, Pontefract Monkhill to Wakefield Kirkgate, Leeds to York (via Harrogate).
"Apart from failing to catch the 1224 from Doncaster to Pontefract Monkhill direct (massively delayed by Storm Doris on Thursday 23rd), Sunil declared his "Northern Expedition" a resounding success."
Borindon burnt down in 1989. It does feel that much of its authenticity was cleansed then. What you have now is a modern recreation of an Elizabethan Manor. The faux period portraits are tacky - they look like they are photocopies. But it is impressive as you drive up to it (even though the parkland surroundings are now suburban Plymouth).
And no I don't want hi tech discos. I'll grin and bear it through the jazz. (Or maybe that was just for the Murder Mystery on last night?)
They have Michelin ambitions. I hope they get it. We need them in the South West. The re-opened version of the restaurant only opened in December. The staff were a bit haphazard, and having arrived at 7.40, it is not really acceptable to receive your starter at 9.15. The Sommelier is a very nice guy but acknowledges they may not be there yet - although he is upgrading the cellar.
I'll happily go back in a couple of months and see how they are getting on. I want them to succeed.
Confirmation, if any was needed that the other parties are terrified of Corbyn’s awesomeness.