Copeland: Labour 39% Tories 36% Lib Dems 11% UKIP 9%
I concur. That sounds about right to me.
In short - Copeland is a 2 horse race and I don't know who will win. The value is with labour, and I think they'll edge it. Stoke looks to be a one horse race to me, second place is tricky to work out though. At the prices for the straight bet laying UKIP looks to be the clear correct position.
I still think UKIP are favourites for 2nd in Stoke. Firstly, their vote has been pretty resilient in all parliamentary byelections since 2015, except for Witney. And I think May's visit might have come too late to deter ALL the Tory voters who were going to tactically go UKIP.
Dr Nuttall's escapades have probably put off many potential Lab->UKIP switchers (if they were ever tempted in the first place), but I'd think the UKIP hardcore vote will be tuning this stuff out. Maybe even discounting it all as a "media smear campaign".
I'd imagine most most Tory to UKIP switchers would have headed that way in 2015 and plenty wouldn't vote for UKIP ever anyway. Any that were considering it must have been put off by Nuttall. Which may all help fracture the anti -Labour vote. The unknown I suppose is how damaging the Labour candidate and Corbyn are ..which could bring the Lib Dems into the equation yet.
"I'd imagine most most Tory to UKIP switchers would have headed that way in 2015 "
Funny how people read things differently. I think plenty of would be UKIP voters stayed Conservative because they didn't want to risk Ed & the SNP in coalition. Now they have the choice between a Eurosceptic and 4 ardent remainers w a Tory majority assured either way
I think UKIP could have done well here, but Paul Nuttall's behaviour has been bizarre.
"Germany and France want the European Union to weaken its human rights safeguards to allow for deportation of asylum seekers before their case is considered, according to their joint proposal on curbing immigration, seen by Reuters on Tuesday."
"Doris batters UKIP in Stoke" 'Paul Nuttall was asked to explain why his party failed to gain any ground on Labour, in the end falling backwards to 19% of the vote, pipped by the Tory candidate Jack Brereton. Speaking to the West Cumberland Express, Nutall claimed that many of UKIP's mainly older voters wanted to get to the polling station but the ferocious lashings of Storm Doris were to blame for his party's failure "I had a direct line" claimed Mr Nuttall, adding "God it seems is not a UKIP party member". Nigel Farage claimed the party had run a poor campaign however, and said he'd consider returning to the leadership.
Jeremy Corbyn has blamed the media for Labour's consistently bad opinion poll ratings. The Labour leader said his party was more successful at getting its message across on social media sites instead.
Mainly because Twitter/ Facebook are playthings of the left and are actively censoring sensible views.
Some of us pb coffin-dodgers can remember a time when David Cameron roamed the Earth and Conservative election success was credited to the party's mastery of social media.
That was then - Trump's victory in the USA has stirred a hornet's nest in the lat-left camp. As I have said before, social media is killing the left - it is providing positive feedback whereby all their more ludicrous ideas gain sufficient traction to become mainstream. Labour support is nosediving and the Democrats currently are wandering witless in the wilderness of USA politics.
I think that a bigger problem for a good part of the Left is that they've forgotten how to argue their case.
Racist! Nazi! Bigot!
Jeez....you're so funny. Let me get some thread out so I can stitch my sides up....
"Doris batters UKIP in Stoke" 'Paul Nuttall was asked to explain why his party failed to gain any ground on Labour, in the end falling backwards to 19% of the vote, pipped by the Tory candidate Jack Brereton. Speaking to the West Cumberland Express, Nutall claimed that many of UKIP's mainly older voters wanted to get to the polling station but the ferocious lashings of Storm Doris were to blame for his party's failure "I had a direct line" claimed Mr Nuttall, adding "God it seems is not a UKIP party member". Nigel Farage claimed the party had run a poor campaign however, and said he'd consider returning to the leadership.
Will Labour voters really be able to do it on a cold, wet, and windy Thursday night in Stoke?
"Doris batters UKIP in Stoke" 'Paul Nuttall was asked to explain why his party failed to gain any ground on Labour, in the end falling backwards to 19% of the vote, pipped by the Tory candidate Jack Brereton. Speaking to the West Cumberland Express, Nutall claimed that many of UKIP's mainly older voters wanted to get to the polling station but the ferocious lashings of Storm Doris were to blame for his party's failure "I had a direct line" claimed Mr Nuttall, adding "God it seems is not a UKIP party member". Nigel Farage claimed the party had run a poor campaign however, and said he'd consider returning to the leadership.
Will Labour voters really be able to do it on a cold, wet, and windy Thursday night in Stoke?
They may well have already won with the postals. Doris enhances their chances if anything.
"We would like to have the possibility to be included in EU-UK arrangements concerning the internal market, permanent as well as transitional," the Norwegian EEA and EU minister, Frank Bakke-Jensen, said in a speech to EU ambassadors in Oslo."
"Doris batters UKIP in Stoke" 'Paul Nuttall was asked to explain why his party failed to gain any ground on Labour, in the end falling backwards to 19% of the vote, pipped by the Tory candidate Jack Brereton. Speaking to the West Cumberland Express, Nutall claimed that many of UKIP's mainly older voters wanted to get to the polling station but the ferocious lashings of Storm Doris were to blame for his party's failure "I had a direct line" claimed Mr Nuttall, adding "God it seems is not a UKIP party member". Nigel Farage claimed the party had run a poor campaign however, and said he'd consider returning to the leadership.
Will Labour voters really be able to do it on a cold, wet, and windy Thursday night in Stoke?
They may well have already won with the postals. Doris enhances their chances if anything.
However, postal votes tend to used more by the Tories.
Perhaps Mrs May saw the long range weather forecast before she went to Stoke?
Copeland: Labour 39% Tories 36% Lib Dems 11% UKIP 9%
I concur. That sounds about right to me.
In short - Copeland is a 2 horse race and I don't know who will win. The value is with labour, and I think they'll edge it. Stoke looks to be a one horse race to me, second place is tricky to work out though. At the prices for the straight bet laying UKIP looks to be the clear correct position.
I still think UKIP are favourites for 2nd in Stoke. Firstly, their vote has been pretty resilient in all parliamentary byelections since 2015, except for Witney. And I think May's visit might have come too late to deter ALL the Tory voters who were going to tactically go UKIP.
Dr Nuttall's escapades have probably put off many potential Lab->UKIP switchers (if they were ever tempted in the first place), but I'd think the UKIP hardcore vote will be tuning this stuff out. Maybe even discounting it all as a "media smear campaign".
I'd imagine most most Tory to UKIP switchers would have headed that way in 2015 and plenty wouldn't vote for UKIP ever anyway. Any that were considering it must have been put off by Nuttall. Which may all help fracture the anti -Labour vote. The unknown I suppose is how damaging the Labour candidate and Corbyn are ..which could bring the Lib Dems into the equation yet.
"I'd imagine most most Tory to UKIP switchers would have headed that way in 2015 "
Funny how people read things differently. I think plenty of would be UKIP voters stayed Conservative because they didn't want to risk Ed & the SNP in coalition. Now they have the choice between a Eurosceptic and 4 ardent remainers w a Tory majority assured either way
I take your point in Tory/Lab marginals but in this particular constituency voting Tory in 2015 was never going to make any difference anyway. I can't see now that Brexit is done why anybody who supported Leave in 2015and voted that way in would change to UKIP now the votes won.
"We would like to have the possibility to be included in EU-UK arrangements concerning the internal market, permanent as well as transitional," the Norwegian EEA and EU minister, Frank Bakke-Jensen, said in a speech to EU ambassadors in Oslo."
"Doris batters UKIP in Stoke" 'Paul Nuttall was asked to explain why his party failed to gain any ground on Labour, in the end falling backwards to 19% of the vote, pipped by the Tory candidate Jack Brereton. Speaking to the West Cumberland Express, Nutall claimed that many of UKIP's mainly older voters wanted to get to the polling station but the ferocious lashings of Storm Doris were to blame for his party's failure "I had a direct line" claimed Mr Nuttall, adding "God it seems is not a UKIP party member". Nigel Farage claimed the party had run a poor campaign however, and said he'd consider returning to the leadership.
Will Labour voters really be able to do it on a cold, wet, and windy Thursday night in Stoke?
They may well have already won with the postals. Doris enhances their chances if anything.
However, postal votes tend to used more by the Tories.
Perhaps Mrs May saw the long range weather forecast before she went to Stoke?
I'd have thought postals would tend to favour the locally dominant party.
Copeland: Labour 39% Tories 36% Lib Dems 11% UKIP 9%
I concur. That sounds about right to me.
In short - Copeland is a 2 horse race and I don't know who will win. The value is with labour, and I think they'll edge it. Stoke looks to be a one horse race to me, second place is tricky to work out though. At the prices for the straight bet laying UKIP looks to be the clear correct position.
I still think UKIP are favourites for 2nd in Stoke. Firstly, their vote has been pretty resilient in all parliamentary byelections since 2015, except for Witney. And I think May's visit might have come too late to deter ALL the Tory voters who were going to tactically go UKIP.
Dr Nuttall's escapades have probably put off many potential Lab->UKIP switchers (if they were ever tempted in the first place), but I'd think the UKIP hardcore vote will be tuning this stuff out. Maybe even discounting it all as a "media smear campaign".
I'd imagine most most Tory to UKIP switchers would have headed that way in 2015 and plenty wouldn't vote for UKIP ever anyway. Any that were considering it must have been put off by Nuttall. Which may all help fracture the anti -Labour vote. The unknown I suppose is how damaging the Labour candidate and Corbyn are ..which could bring the Lib Dems into the equation yet.
"I'd imagine most most Tory to UKIP switchers would have headed that way in 2015 "
Funny how people read things differently. I think plenty of would be UKIP voters stayed Conservative because they didn't want to risk Ed & the SNP in coalition. Now they have the choice between a Eurosceptic and 4 ardent remainers w a Tory majority assured either way
I think UKIP could have done well here, but Paul Nuttall's behaviour has been bizarre.
It's almost as if his credibility has been destroyed by dark forces out to get him....
"Doris batters UKIP in Stoke" 'Paul Nuttall was asked to explain why his party failed to gain any ground on Labour, in the end falling backwards to 19% of the vote, pipped by the Tory candidate Jack Brereton. Speaking to the West Cumberland Express, Nutall claimed that many of UKIP's mainly older voters wanted to get to the polling station but the ferocious lashings of Storm Doris were to blame for his party's failure "I had a direct line" claimed Mr Nuttall, adding "God it seems is not a UKIP party member". Nigel Farage claimed the party had run a poor campaign however, and said he'd consider returning to the leadership.
Will Labour voters really be able to do it on a cold, wet, and windy Thursday night in Stoke?
They may well have already won with the postals. Doris enhances their chances if anything.
However, postal votes tend to used more by the Tories.
Perhaps Mrs May saw the long range weather forecast before she went to Stoke?
I'd have thought postals would tend to favour the locally dominant party.
There is that, but I do know the Tories have been analysing the area a lot, in the hope of taking a few seats nearby at GE2020 when the boundary changes kick in, places like Newcastle-under-Lyme
Copeland: Labour 39% Tories 36% Lib Dems 11% UKIP 9%
I concur. That sounds about right to me.
In short - Copeland is a 2 horse race and I don't know who will win. The value is with labour, and I think they'll edge it. Stoke looks to be a one horse race to me, second place is tricky to work out though. At the prices for the straight bet laying UKIP looks to be the clear correct position.
I still think UKIP are favourites for 2nd in Stoke. Firstly, their vote has been pretty resilient in all parliamentary byelections since 2015, except for Witney. And I think May's visit might have come too late to deter ALL the Tory voters who were going to tactically go UKIP.
Dr Nuttall's escapades have probably put off many potential Lab->UKIP switchers (if they were ever tempted in the first place), but I'd think the UKIP hardcore vote will be tuning this stuff out. Maybe even discounting it all as a "media smear campaign".
I'd imagine most most Tory to UKIP switchers would have headed that way in 2015 and plenty wouldn't vote for UKIP ever anyway. Any that were considering it must have been put off by Nuttall. Which may all help fracture the anti -Labour vote. The unknown I suppose is how damaging the Labour candidate and Corbyn are ..which could bring the Lib Dems into the equation yet.
"I'd imagine most most Tory to UKIP switchers would have headed that way in 2015 "
Funny how people read things differently. I think plenty of would be UKIP voters stayed Conservative because they didn't want to risk Ed & the SNP in coalition. Now they have the choice between a Eurosceptic and 4 ardent remainers w a Tory majority assured either way
I think UKIP could have done well here, but Paul Nuttall's behaviour has been bizarre.
It's almost as if his credibility has been destroyed by dark forces out to get him....
Yeah, that dodgy UKIP press officer must be a plant from Labour or the Tories
"We would like to have the possibility to be included in EU-UK arrangements concerning the internal market, permanent as well as transitional," the Norwegian EEA and EU minister, Frank Bakke-Jensen, said in a speech to EU ambassadors in Oslo."
That reads like Norway wants a renegotiation of it's terms with the EU.
The UK is it's biggest export destination and accounts for close to a quarter of Norway's export trade with the EU.
It reads to me like Norway is facing up to the cost of not having a seat at the EU table.
Reads to me like realpolitik.
Just as has happened before, the bloated Southern and Central Europeans are going to get a shellacking from the dynamic and successful old Viking strongholds...
"Memos released Tuesday by the Department of Homeland Security implement executive orders signed by President Donald Trump, one of which calls for the immediate construction of a wall along the Mexican border.
The two memos, which were signed Monday, are related to Trump’s two orders on internal immigration procedures and border security. The memo on internal enforcement specifically states that the one active executive amnesty program implemented under President Obama, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), is not affected by President Trump’s executive order.
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
You do your case no favours with hyperbole like "failed state." You ought to have realised that from the Referendum campaign.
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
So, their way of avoiding the UK getting into trouble is to present it with a ludicrously high bill?
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
Wow. Posting from a remote Pacific jungle? Do you not know that Project Fear finished in June 2016...
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
You do your case no favours with hyperbole like "failed state." You ought to have realised that from the Referendum campaign.
The UK is a failed state. What other developed country is facing a second bid within 5 years from within to break up the country?
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
are they that concerned ?
it was within their powers to offer us an acceptable stay in deal.
it is still within their powers to renegotiate so we stay in - if it was France they would
In effect they have done nothing in the last 8 months bar muttering threats that we will rue the day
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
You do your case no favours with hyperbole like "failed state." You ought to have realised that from the Referendum campaign.
The UK is a failed state. What other developed country is facing a second bid within 5 years from within to break up the country?
The UK is a pretty successful State by any historical or contemporary measure. There aren't many better places to live on this planet.
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
You do your case no favours with hyperbole like "failed state." You ought to have realised that from the Referendum campaign.
The UK is a failed state. What other developed country is facing a second bid within 5 years from within to break up the country?
Presumably you're leaving for somewhere more successful, then?
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
Forgot my password, which is a shade alarming given how often I'm here...
F1: Renault unveil their car. Their aim is 5th. Seems doable, if the car's up to scratch. Have to tussle with the likes of McLaren, Force India and maybe Williams.
@pkelso: Break: Sutton manager tells @SkyNews Wayne Shaw has been asked for and submitted his resignation over pie affair
PieGate just got real...although remember this is a guy who in the past didn't take kindly to the abuse he was getting from a supporter in the stand and so mid game went into the stand and headbutted said supporter. Proppa football!!!
He was sacked immediately, but shortly afterward rehired.
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
You do your case no favours with hyperbole like "failed state." You ought to have realised that from the Referendum campaign.
The UK is a failed state. What other developed country is facing a second bid within 5 years from within to break up the country?
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
You do your case no favours with hyperbole like "failed state." You ought to have realised that from the Referendum campaign.
The UK is a failed state. What other developed country is facing a second bid within 5 years from within to break up the country?
Presumably you're leaving for somewhere more successful, then?
I'm staying for somewhere more successful - the Kingdom of England as a full member state of the EU.
"Doris batters UKIP in Stoke" 'Paul Nuttall was asked to explain why his party failed to gain any ground on Labour, in the end falling backwards to 19% of the vote, pipped by the Tory candidate Jack Brereton. Speaking to the West Cumberland Express, Nutall claimed that many of UKIP's mainly older voters wanted to get to the polling station but the ferocious lashings of Storm Doris were to blame for his party's failure "I had a direct line" claimed Mr Nuttall, adding "God it seems is not a UKIP party member". Nigel Farage claimed the party had run a poor campaign however, and said he'd consider returning to the leadership.
Will Labour voters really be able to do it on a cold, wet, and windy Thursday night in Stoke?
They may well have already won with the postals. Doris enhances their chances if anything.
However, postal votes tend to used more by the Tories.
Perhaps Mrs May saw the long range weather forecast before she went to Stoke?
I'd have thought postals would tend to favour the locally dominant party.
There is that, but I do know the Tories have been analysing the area a lot, in the hope of taking a few seats nearby at GE2020 when the boundary changes kick in, places like Newcastle-under-Lyme
Weren't there stories circulating some months ago about the Conservatives recruiting for local teams to target marginal seats all around the edges of the large conurbations?
Just been looking again at the notional results for the revised constituencies. There are 36 Labour seats with notional majorities of 10% or less over the nearest challenger, and (as you'd expect) the Conservatives are second in the bulk of them. Newcastle-under-Lyme, Wolverhampton West, Stockport South and Cheadle, Wrexham Maelor, Nottingham South & Beeston and two seats in Birmingham all fall into this category, and are about an hour or less from Stoke along various main roads.
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
You do your case no favours with hyperbole like "failed state." You ought to have realised that from the Referendum campaign.
The UK is a failed state. What other developed country is facing a second bid within 5 years from within to break up the country?
Presumably you're leaving for somewhere more successful, then?
I'm staying for somewhere more successful - the Kingdom of England as a full member state of the EU.
Good luck with that, but I fear you’ll have fallen off the perch long before that happens
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
You do your case no favours with hyperbole like "failed state." You ought to have realised that from the Referendum campaign.
The UK is a failed state. What other developed country is facing a second bid within 5 years from within to break up the country?
Presumably you're leaving for somewhere more successful, then?
I'm staying for somewhere more successful - the Kingdom of England as a full member state of the EU.
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
You do your case no favours with hyperbole like "failed state." You ought to have realised that from the Referendum campaign.
The UK is a failed state. What other developed country is facing a second bid within 5 years from within to break up the country?
Presumably you're leaving for somewhere more successful, then?
I'm staying for somewhere more successful - the Kingdom of England as a full member state of the EU.
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
You do your case no favours with hyperbole like "failed state." You ought to have realised that from the Referendum campaign.
The UK is a failed state. What other developed country is facing a second bid within 5 years from within to break up the country?
Presumably you're leaving for somewhere more successful, then?
I'm staying for somewhere more successful - the Kingdom of England as a full member state of the EU.
so youre shunning the bits of the UK where people think like you in terms of Europe and seeking solace in the bits of the UK that shun Europe.
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
Why is a strange network of Twitter accounts, usually the source of pro-Russian messages, now pumping out tweets about a very specific British election?
They number in the dozens and they are targeting the pro-Brexit UK Independence Party and in particular its leader, Paul Nuttall.
This odd collection of Twitter accounts is obsessive. They co-ordinate their messages. And they are also praising Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn ahead of Thursday's by-election in Stoke-on-Trent Central. There's no evidence that they are connected to Labour or any other political party, however.
Nuttall, who was elected UKIP leader in November, is contesting the seat, which has traditionally been solid for Labour.
The Twitter network appears to be attempting to try to swing voters by coordinating its messages, firing out memes which play up anti-UKIP news in quick succession:
Jean-Claude Juncker says the UK must pay "une facture très salée" for Brexit.
Lord only knows why the EU is obsessing about the facture. It's almost completely irrelevant to the matter in hand. What are they going to do if we say "pas un sou"', throw us out? And how on earth can we discuss any contributions if we don't know under what deal we'd be contributing?
Either they are being very silly, or they are bluffing. I rather fear it's the former, which doesn't bode well for the negotiations.
They are hoping we solve their inevitable, internal squabble.
Who foots the bill when the Brits leave? Who makes up the shortfall for all the farmers? And so on.
The Eurozone economy is about $12,500,000,000,000 (not including Denmark, Sweden, the Czech Republic, Poland, or Hungary). €11bn or thereabouts is less than 0.1% of GDP. It's a rounding error.
"We would like to have the possibility to be included in EU-UK arrangements concerning the internal market, permanent as well as transitional," the Norwegian EEA and EU minister, Frank Bakke-Jensen, said in a speech to EU ambassadors in Oslo."
Why is a strange network of Twitter accounts, usually the source of pro-Russian messages, now pumping out tweets about a very specific British election?
They number in the dozens and they are targeting the pro-Brexit UK Independence Party and in particular its leader, Paul Nuttall.
This odd collection of Twitter accounts is obsessive. They co-ordinate their messages. And they are also praising Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn ahead of Thursday's by-election in Stoke-on-Trent Central. There's no evidence that they are connected to Labour or any other political party, however.
Nuttall, who was elected UKIP leader in November, is contesting the seat, which has traditionally been solid for Labour.
The Twitter network appears to be attempting to try to swing voters by coordinating its messages, firing out memes which play up anti-UKIP news in quick succession:
Why is a strange network of Twitter accounts, usually the source of pro-Russian messages, now pumping out tweets about a very specific British election?
They number in the dozens and they are targeting the pro-Brexit UK Independence Party and in particular its leader, Paul Nuttall.
This odd collection of Twitter accounts is obsessive. They co-ordinate their messages. And they are also praising Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn ahead of Thursday's by-election in Stoke-on-Trent Central. There's no evidence that they are connected to Labour or any other political party, however.
Nuttall, who was elected UKIP leader in November, is contesting the seat, which has traditionally been solid for Labour.
The Twitter network appears to be attempting to try to swing voters by coordinating its messages, firing out memes which play up anti-UKIP news in quick succession:
Why is a strange network of Twitter accounts, usually the source of pro-Russian messages, now pumping out tweets about a very specific British election?
They number in the dozens and they are targeting the pro-Brexit UK Independence Party and in particular its leader, Paul Nuttall.
This odd collection of Twitter accounts is obsessive. They co-ordinate their messages. And they are also praising Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn ahead of Thursday's by-election in Stoke-on-Trent Central. There's no evidence that they are connected to Labour or any other political party, however.
Nuttall, who was elected UKIP leader in November, is contesting the seat, which has traditionally been solid for Labour.
The Twitter network appears to be attempting to try to swing voters by coordinating its messages, firing out memes which play up anti-UKIP news in quick succession:
Not much of a propaganda machine if you have to be "discovered". I just checked out one of the twitter accounts they name....11 followers....I am going to guess probably the other bots.
If you were actually trying to do this you would at the very least buy 1000s of followers for each of your accounts.
Jean-Claude Juncker says the UK must pay "une facture très salée" for Brexit.
Lord only knows why the EU is obsessing about the facture. It's almost completely irrelevant to the matter in hand. What are they going to do if we say "pas un sou"', throw us out? And how on earth can we discuss any contributions if we don't know under what deal we'd be contributing?
Either they are being very silly, or they are bluffing. I rather fear it's the former, which doesn't bode well for the negotiations.
They are hoping we solve their inevitable, internal squabble.
Who foots the bill when the Brits leave? Who makes up the shortfall for all the farmers? And so on.
The Eurozone economy is about $12,500,000,000,000 (not including Denmark, Sweden, the Czech Republic, Poland, or Hungary). €11bn or thereabouts is less than 0.1% of GDP. It's a rounding error.
Perhaps you could persuade the EU elite of that, as they seem mightily perturbed by us not paying in anymore.
Why is a strange network of Twitter accounts, usually the source of pro-Russian messages, now pumping out tweets about a very specific British election?
They number in the dozens and they are targeting the pro-Brexit UK Independence Party and in particular its leader, Paul Nuttall.
This odd collection of Twitter accounts is obsessive. They co-ordinate their messages. And they are also praising Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn ahead of Thursday's by-election in Stoke-on-Trent Central. There's no evidence that they are connected to Labour or any other political party, however.
Nuttall, who was elected UKIP leader in November, is contesting the seat, which has traditionally been solid for Labour.
The Twitter network appears to be attempting to try to swing voters by coordinating its messages, firing out memes which play up anti-UKIP news in quick succession:
Jean-Claude Juncker says the UK must pay "une facture très salée" for Brexit.
Lord only knows why the EU is obsessing about the facture. It's almost completely irrelevant to the matter in hand. What are they going to do if we say "pas un sou"', throw us out? And how on earth can we discuss any contributions if we don't know under what deal we'd be contributing?
Either they are being very silly, or they are bluffing. I rather fear it's the former, which doesn't bode well for the negotiations.
They are hoping we solve their inevitable, internal squabble.
Who foots the bill when the Brits leave? Who makes up the shortfall for all the farmers? And so on.
The Eurozone economy is about $12,500,000,000,000 (not including Denmark, Sweden, the Czech Republic, Poland, or Hungary). €11bn or thereabouts is less than 0.1% of GDP. It's a rounding error.
It shouldn't be too much as the EZ economy is now growing quite well.
Jean-Claude Juncker says the UK must pay "une facture très salée" for Brexit.
Lord only knows why the EU is obsessing about the facture. It's almost completely irrelevant to the matter in hand. What are they going to do if we say "pas un sou"', throw us out? And how on earth can we discuss any contributions if we don't know under what deal we'd be contributing?
Either they are being very silly, or they are bluffing. I rather fear it's the former, which doesn't bode well for the negotiations.
They are hoping we solve their inevitable, internal squabble.
Who foots the bill when the Brits leave? Who makes up the shortfall for all the farmers? And so on.
The Eurozone economy is about $12,500,000,000,000 (not including Denmark, Sweden, the Czech Republic, Poland, or Hungary). €11bn or thereabouts is less than 0.1% of GDP. It's a rounding error.
And it will be individual nations and the taxpayers within who will be expected to pick up the tab, not eurozone gdp.
The voters in the individual nations will have their own perspectives on who should be footing the bill.
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
*bwahahaha*
Indeed, what is it with these Cupcakes...
Generation Cupcake isn't as edgy as Generation X is it?
Mr. Meeks, better that it fizzle out comically than it garner sufficient support to antagonise him without actually toppling him (he deserves to be toppled, but I never thought it'd happen).
Jean-Claude Juncker says the UK must pay "une facture très salée" for Brexit.
Lord only knows why the EU is obsessing about the facture. It's almost completely irrelevant to the matter in hand. What are they going to do if we say "pas un sou"', throw us out? And how on earth can we discuss any contributions if we don't know under what deal we'd be contributing?
Either they are being very silly, or they are bluffing. I rather fear it's the former, which doesn't bode well for the negotiations.
They are hoping we solve their inevitable, internal squabble.
Who foots the bill when the Brits leave? Who makes up the shortfall for all the farmers? And so on.
The Eurozone economy is about $12,500,000,000,000 (not including Denmark, Sweden, the Czech Republic, Poland, or Hungary). €11bn or thereabouts is less than 0.1% of GDP. It's a rounding error.
And it will be individual nations and the taxpayers within who will be expected to pick up the tab, not eurozone gdp.
The voters in the individual nations will have their own perspectives on who should be footing the bill.
Could someone update me on the timeline of the effort to dethrone John Bercow? It all seems to have gone terribly quiet.
Only the payroll want to get rid of him: the rest of the House likes it that he stands up to the executive, and can tolerate his "eccentricities" so he is going nowhere soon.
Am local, my feeling Labour comfortable, Cons or Lib Dem second/fourth either way, UKIP poor third. PS Bully for Jean-Claude, we get what wee deserve after the mistake we made at the Referendum. There is always a price to pay for recklessness..
Who cares what that drunken buffoon says?
Always highly intelligent to dish out gratuitous insults to your negotiating partner, which is why the last meetings have ended in shouting matches. The UK had better grow up or it will not just get "salt" but a whipping with the cat beforehand. You cannot get WTO without approval from Russia, which is why there is now genuine panic in Brussels that the UK could do themselves incredible harm. Even the French are now deeply concerned that the Brits are going to smash themselves up so badly that the EU will face a failed state.
*bwahahaha*
Indeed, what is it with these Cupcakes...
Generation Cupcake isn't as edgy as Generation X is it?
Considerably less tetchy than the great orange snowflake!
Could someone update me on the timeline of the effort to dethrone John Bercow? It all seems to have gone terribly quiet.
There was a major development today:
12.51 After Foreign Office questions James Duddridge, the Conservative MP who tabled the early day motion expressing no confidence in John Bercow, the speaker, used a point of order to ask if it would be debated. He acknowledged that he had received an “underwhelming” amount of support (only four other MPs have signed it), but asked if there would be a debate and vote on his no confidence motion.
Bercow replied saying there was “absolutely no reason” why the government or the backbench business committee should be allocating time for a debate on this. He said advice from the clerk of the Commons said there was no need for such a debate.
Mr. P, Ladbrokes has slightly better odds on Bottas (5, earlier today).
I'd probably avoid betting on those numbers. If someone gave me a tenner on condition I immediately bet on the winner, I'd be looking at Hamilton for the title.
Could someone update me on the timeline of the effort to dethrone John Bercow? It all seems to have gone terribly quiet.
There was a major development today:
12.51 After Foreign Office questions James Duddridge, the Conservative MP who tabled the early day motion expressing no confidence in John Bercow, the speaker, used a point of order to ask if it would be debated. He acknowledged that he had received an “underwhelming” amount of support (only four other MPs have signed it), but asked if there would be a debate and vote on his no confidence motion.
Bercow replied saying there was “absolutely no reason” why the government or the backbench business committee should be allocating time for a debate on this. He said advice from the clerk of the Commons said there was no need for such a debate.
Thanks. So the 2/5 with Wm Hill that Mr Bercow will remain in office until 2018 looks fair value, to say the least.
Whoever would have imagined that John Bercow would be so secure in his seat? There were so many Bercowphobes on pb just two weeks ago that you would have thought his head would be on a spike by now.
Jean-Claude Juncker says the UK must pay "une facture très salée" for Brexit.
Lord only knows why the EU is obsessing about the facture. It's almost completely irrelevant to the matter in hand. What are they going to do if we say "pas un sou"', throw us out? And how on earth can we discuss any contributions if we don't know under what deal we'd be contributing?
Either they are being very silly, or they are bluffing. I rather fear it's the former, which doesn't bode well for the negotiations.
They are hoping we solve their inevitable, internal squabble.
Who foots the bill when the Brits leave? Who makes up the shortfall for all the farmers? And so on.
The Eurozone economy is about $12,500,000,000,000 (not including Denmark, Sweden, the Czech Republic, Poland, or Hungary). €11bn or thereabouts is less than 0.1% of GDP. It's a rounding error.
And it will be individual nations and the taxpayers within who will be expected to pick up the tab, not eurozone gdp.
The voters in the individual nations will have their own perspectives on who should be footing the bill.
It's still a rounding error in the general scheme of things.
I'm not disputing that in terms of Europe as a whole, but in the internal relationship of the 27 it's likely to create some friction. The money still has to be found if they wish to carry on doing the things they have done to date.
There's tweets out there saying there's a poll in the Stoke Sentinel showing UKIP winning the by election. It's a voodoo poll conducted on the Stoke Sentinel website.
Baseballcrank Note that Trump lost ground for the GOP in nearly all the states gaining population, gained in most of the losers. https://t.co/dWze4DJVkj
There's tweets out there saying there's a poll in the Stoke Sentinel showing UKIP winning the by election. It's a voodoo poll conducted on the Stoke Sentinel website.
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-europe-migrants-germany-france-idUKKBN16015X?il=0
What did you expect him to say…
'Paul Nuttall was asked to explain why his party failed to gain any ground on Labour, in the end falling backwards to 19% of the vote, pipped by the Tory candidate Jack Brereton.
Speaking to the West Cumberland Express, Nutall claimed that many of UKIP's mainly older voters wanted to get to the polling station but the ferocious lashings of Storm Doris were to blame for his party's failure
"I had a direct line" claimed Mr Nuttall, adding "God it seems is not a UKIP party member". Nigel Farage claimed the party had run a poor campaign however, and said he'd consider returning to the leadership.
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-norway-idUKKBN1601KV?il=0
That reads like Norway wants a renegotiation of it's terms with the EU.
The UK is it's biggest export destination and accounts for close to a quarter of Norway's export trade with the EU.
Perhaps Mrs May saw the long range weather forecast before she went to Stoke?
Might help the Tories marginally ?
Jeff B
This is a magnificently on-point, accurate dissection of the Progressive Turn in sports journalism by @michaelbd: https://t.co/CnzidqvQCP
Just as has happened before, the bloated Southern and Central Europeans are going to get a shellacking from the dynamic and successful old Viking strongholds...
Fox
.@IAMMGraham: The fact that “Generation Cupcake” is being diagnosed with 'Post Election Distress Disorder' is ridiculous https://t.co/LY5nthelGZ
Average price matched in Stoke (Betfair Exchange)
Labour 1.84
UKIP 2.45
Con 27.46
LD 46
Can anyone work out what vote share that would give?
"Memos released Tuesday by the Department of Homeland Security implement executive orders signed by President Donald Trump, one of which calls for the immediate construction of a wall along the Mexican border.
The two memos, which were signed Monday, are related to Trump’s two orders on internal immigration procedures and border security. The memo on internal enforcement specifically states that the one active executive amnesty program implemented under President Obama, Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA), is not affected by President Trump’s executive order.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2017/02/21/dhs-issues-memos-that-order-immediate-construction-of-border-wall-but-maintain-obamas-amnesty/#ixzz4ZKx1Jov5
If any PBers/lurkers/bookies think they can do it, I'd be love to understand your method!??
@Jungleland @shadsy @Tissue_Price ?
it was within their powers to offer us an acceptable stay in deal.
it is still within their powers to renegotiate so we stay in - if it was France they would
In effect they have done nothing in the last 8 months bar muttering threats that we will rue the day
so where's the deep concern ?
Tony Blair is only 3 years older than Theresa May.
Troll of the Day Award.
Miss Plato, cupcakes are splendid.
Forgot my password, which is a shade alarming given how often I'm here...
F1: Renault unveil their car. Their aim is 5th. Seems doable, if the car's up to scratch. Have to tussle with the likes of McLaren, Force India and maybe Williams.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/39042537
He was sacked immediately, but shortly afterward rehired.
Just been looking again at the notional results for the revised constituencies. There are 36 Labour seats with notional majorities of 10% or less over the nearest challenger, and (as you'd expect) the Conservatives are second in the bulk of them. Newcastle-under-Lyme, Wolverhampton West, Stockport South and Cheadle, Wrexham Maelor, Nottingham South & Beeston and two seats in Birmingham all fall into this category, and are about an hour or less from Stoke along various main roads.
Vapid bilge
Total delusion
Or
Over my dead body.
So I've gone for all three.
They number in the dozens and they are targeting the pro-Brexit UK Independence Party and in particular its leader, Paul Nuttall.
This odd collection of Twitter accounts is obsessive. They co-ordinate their messages. And they are also praising Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn ahead of Thursday's by-election in Stoke-on-Trent Central. There's no evidence that they are connected to Labour or any other political party, however.
Nuttall, who was elected UKIP leader in November, is contesting the seat, which has traditionally been solid for Labour.
The Twitter network appears to be attempting to try to swing voters by coordinating its messages, firing out memes which play up anti-UKIP news in quick succession:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-39041596?ns_mchannel=social&ns_campaign=bbc_politics&ns_source=twitter&ns_linkname=news_central
Latest French Pres poll, 1st round:
Le Pen 27%
Fillon 20%
Macron 17%
Hamon 12%
Melanchon 12%
Elabe Feb 18-20
#Presidentielle2017
For what it's worth, the Norwegian government are the biggest shareholder in the 'German' company Daimler.
DHS Sec Kelly says he's ordered ICE to hire 10,000 more officers and agents
"expeditiously" https://t.co/wQdewD4XLw
Priority Enforcement Program, which focuses on convicted criminals, has been terminated. Replaced by Secure Communities Program.
If you were actually trying to do this you would at the very least buy 1000s of followers for each of your accounts.
Perhaps you could persuade the EU elite of that, as they seem mightily perturbed by us not paying in anymore.
The voters in the individual nations will have their own perspectives on who should be footing the bill.
http://in.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-budget-finland-idINKBN15212Y
https://twitter.com/GrandPrixDiary/status/834061916607803392
12.51 After Foreign Office questions James Duddridge, the Conservative MP who tabled the early day motion expressing no confidence in John Bercow, the speaker, used a point of order to ask if it would be debated. He acknowledged that he had received an “underwhelming” amount of support (only four other MPs have signed it), but asked if there would be a debate and vote on his no confidence motion.
Bercow replied saying there was “absolutely no reason” why the government or the backbench business committee should be allocating time for a debate on this. He said advice from the clerk of the Commons said there was no need for such a debate.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2017/feb/21/paul-nuttall-takes-party-in-stoke-byelection-hustings-after-ukip-resignations-politics-live
Rather too much of it rings true.
I'd probably avoid betting on those numbers. If someone gave me a tenner on condition I immediately bet on the winner, I'd be looking at Hamilton for the title.
Whoever would have imagined that John Bercow would be so secure in his seat? There were so many Bercowphobes on pb just two weeks ago that you would have thought his head would be on a spike by now.
Also, liking Bercow and thinking he'd stay on are not mutually exclusive. Plenty of people here thought he should be toast, but would not be.
There's tweets out there saying there's a poll in the Stoke Sentinel showing UKIP winning the by election. It's a voodoo poll conducted on the Stoke Sentinel website.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2918999/boris-johnson-sports-bizarre-hawaiian-shorts-a-polo-neck-and-headwear-ensemble-as-he-attempts-early-morning-jog-near-london-home/
Note that Trump lost ground for the GOP in nearly all the states gaining population, gained in most of the losers. https://t.co/dWze4DJVkj
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/survey-predicts-tight-result-in-stoke-on-trent-central-by-election/story-30149927-detail/story.html
https://twitter.com/WikiGuido/status/834079329894150145