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edited February 2017 in General

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Latest Gallup Trump approval ratings have him at historic low for a President within a month of inauguration pic.twitter.com/XzwKhltUeD

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    edited February 2017
    Goddamn Opinium
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977
    @Charles - it could just be that quite a few people are beginning to realise that they are about to lose coverage.
    https://twitter.com/pollsandvotes/status/832260232919339008
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    That Trump polling isn't surprising, he lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes.

    He was already unpopular.

    But that well known liberal snowflake Janet Daley chimes in

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/833063543507472385
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    AndyJS said:

    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?

    She could repeal it with an even shorter bill than the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

    Would the House of Lords support it?
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,457
    Sleazy, broken Labour on the slide
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,457
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That Trump polling isn't surprising, he lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes.

    REMAIN lost the popular vote by over a million votes.

    :innocent:
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    AndyJS said:

    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?

    Doubtless it could be done , but with such big Tory poll leads Corbyn would be bonkers to help her do it! I don't think the Lords would meekly wave through such a change either when clearly done for party advantage.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,457
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Goddamn Opinium

    Outlier? :lol:
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndyJS said:

    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?

    She could repeal it with an even shorter bill than the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

    Would the House of Lords support it?
    I wouldn't even repeal it, I'd just have an act of parliament calling an election. A bit more straight forward, because all May has to do is call upon the LotO to explain why the people can't be trusted with "votes" on "who should run the country"
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    TSE,
    Are the Opinium tables available yet by any chance?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,827
    SouthamObserver said:

    @Charles - it could just be that quite a few people are beginning to realise that they are about to lose coverage.
    https://twitter.com/pollsandvotes/status/832260232919339008

    Offer people a shit sandwich, and suddenly the stale bread they've been complaining about doesn't seem quite so unpalatable.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    justin124 said:

    TSE,
    Are the Opinium tables available yet by any chance?

    Not yet, which has ruined my morning thread.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SouthamObserver said:

    @Charles - it could just be that quite a few people are beginning to realise that they are about to lose coverage.
    https://twitter.com/pollsandvotes/status/832260232919339008

    Depends on what the new proposal is - plenty of scaremongering going on
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Sleazy, broken Labour on the slide

    Unlike real elections where the Conservative description on the ballot paper is poisonous .
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    MarkSenior said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Sleazy, broken Labour on the slide

    Unlike real elections where the Conservative description on the ballot paper is poisonous .
    So you're predicting net losses for the Tories in May's locals?
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    edited February 2017
    justin124 said:

    TSE,
    Are the Opinium tables available yet by any chance?

    They've probably stopped using their adjustments to make it look close.

    Unadjusted, the Tories have been miles ahead for ages and much more in line with other pollsters.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Are you happy with the concept of a candidate being arrested? I'm not despite how batshit/offensive I find her views.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited February 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Which is interesting considering that, like, half the Magna Carta is an attempt to punish the Jews.

    (Also interesting is that she's officially(!) a vexatious litigant, which I didn't even realise was a thing)
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Who was it who said something like 'the facts of life are conservative'
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Charles said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Charles - it could just be that quite a few people are beginning to realise that they are about to lose coverage.
    https://twitter.com/pollsandvotes/status/832260232919339008

    Depends on what the new proposal is - plenty of scaremongering going on
    The new proposal is dire.
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    I can't wait for the short straws from Justin Whitehouse-Widdecombe...
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Sleazy, broken Labour on the slide

    Unlike real elections where the Conservative description on the ballot paper is poisonous .
    So you're predicting net losses for the Tories in May's locals?
    Net gains overall thanks to Scotland . Small net losses for Conservatives in England bolstered by gains from UKIP who will be almost wiped out .
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Are you happy with the concept of a candidate being arrested? I'm not despite how batshit/offensive I find her views.
    I've not had a proper look at the comments that triggered her arrest, it depends are they inciting racial hatred?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Alistair said:

    Charles said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    @Charles - it could just be that quite a few people are beginning to realise that they are about to lose coverage.
    https://twitter.com/pollsandvotes/status/832260232919339008

    Depends on what the new proposal is - plenty of scaremongering going on
    The new proposal is dire.
    Is there a formal one?
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    MarkSenior said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    MarkSenior said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    Sleazy, broken Labour on the slide

    Unlike real elections where the Conservative description on the ballot paper is poisonous .
    So you're predicting net losses for the Tories in May's locals?
    Net gains overall thanks to Scotland . Small net losses for Conservatives in England bolstered by gains from UKIP who will be almost wiped out .
    Thanks.
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    justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Who was it who said something like 'the facts of life are conservative'
    But a good chunk of the UKIP vote could be said to be leftwing in the sense that they would still vote Labour in a straight fight with the Tories - which was very much the norm in the 1950s and to a significant extent the 1960s!
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    TSE: Just spent a lovely half week working in Cantab. Lovely place: leaps and bounds ahead of Oxford as an actual town now. Shops, people and general feel much more attractive than I remember.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    edited February 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    Charles said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Are you happy with the concept of a candidate being arrested? I'm not despite how batshit/offensive I find her views.
    I've not had a proper look at the comments that triggered her arrest, it depends are they inciting racial hatred?
    I only got about 2 paragraphs into her home page before giving up as it made me feel slightly tainted just reading it. But I would be surprised.

    Even so, a candidate should be rejected by the voters, not arrested for her beliefs
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    edited February 2017
    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    https://abolishmcrm.com/vote-barbara-fielding-to-get-our-white-european-supremacy-back/

    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
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    steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    So Mark Senior thinks the Conservative name on the ballot paper is poisonous whilst predicting net overall gains for the Tories in May. Good luck with that analysis.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    Yeah, that's not going to be the vote share at the next GE.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited February 2017
    Quote online says:

    "Mr Jefferson said Brexit had fuelled a surge in membership and that the [BNP] was now a "resurgent force". He said it had taken control of its first council this year [2016] and that membership numbers to be released at the end of the year would show a "significant" surge."

    Which council?
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    Go home and preprepare for government!

    whats the NEV
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    MortimerMortimer Posts: 13,956
    Charles said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    Go home and preprepare for government!

    whats the NEV
    Has pothole fixing been reclassified as 'government' now? :)
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    edited February 2017
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Quote online says:

    "Mr Jefferson said Brexit had fuelled a surge in membership and that the [BNP] was now a "resurgent force". He said it had taken control of its first council this year [2016] and that membership numbers to be released at the end of the year would show a "significant" surge."

    Which council?

    A parish council in Essex, end of last year.

    Edit:

    The British National Party is now in control of a Essex parish council after picking up two seats in a by-election.

    Standing under the bannerhead of Fighting Unsustainable Housing Because We Care, rather than explicitly running as BNP candidates, taxi drivers Trevor Cable and Ashley Jones were elected to Heybridge Parish Council with a combined 63 per cent of the vote.

    http://www.essexlive.news/british-national-party-take-control-of-heybridge-parish-council-after-by-election-win/story-29829328-detail/story.html
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited February 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?

    https://abolishmcrm.com/vote-barbara-fielding-to-get-our-white-european-supremacy-back/

    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    Your lawyer may advise you to put that in italics or something...
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    chestnutchestnut Posts: 7,341
    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    Council by-elections don't float the average voter's boat.

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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,457
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    A little-known fact re. Oliver Cromwell is that he encouraged the Jewish community to return to England after their expulsion in the 13th century.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    Go home and preprepare for government!

    whats the NEV
    Has pothole fixing been reclassified as 'government' now? :)
    Glad it's past @Morris_Dancer bedtime

    He'd not be impressed with my autocorrect coming up with "preprepare" :wink:
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    SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited February 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    "VOTE. BARBARA FIELDING. TO GET OUR WHITE EUROPEAN SUPREMACY BACK."

    Blimey, what is it about Stoke Central that attracks so many nutters to stand...
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    Charles said:

    Mortimer said:

    Charles said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    Go home and preprepare for government!

    whats the NEV
    Has pothole fixing been reclassified as 'government' now? :)
    Glad it's past @Morris_Dancer bedtime

    He'd not be impressed with my autocorrect coming up with "preprepare" :wink:
    When Steel said it they were post prepreperation. ;)
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    A little-known fact re. Oliver Cromwell is that he encouraged the Jewish community to return to England after their expulsion in the 13th century.
    It was interesting at POLIN - the Museum to the History of the Jews in Warsaw - how much antisemitism across Europe waxed and waned throughout the period such that places like England expelled them three or four times.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,457
    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    Opinion polls are for GEs not LEs.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    "VOTE. BARBARA FIELDING. TO GET OUR WHITE EUROPEAN SUPREMACY BACK."

    Blimey, what is it about Stoke Central that attracks so many nutters to stand...
    That website will rot your brains.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    steve_garner said:

    So Mark Senior thinks the Conservative name on the ballot paper is poisonous whilst predicting net overall gains for the Tories in May. Good luck with that analysis.

    Conservatives can thanks their lucky stars they have Ruth Davidson in Scotland as leader rather than the insipid May .
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Quote online says:

    "Mr Jefferson said Brexit had fuelled a surge in membership and that the [BNP] was now a "resurgent force". He said it had taken control of its first council this year [2016] and that membership numbers to be released at the end of the year would show a "significant" surge."

    Which council?

    They have one councillor in the entire country, so that cannot be true.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That Trump polling isn't surprising, he lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes.

    He was already unpopular.

    But that well known liberal snowflake Janet Daley chimes in

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/833063543507472385

    The Independents in America believe Trump over the media by 2:1.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    Opinion polls are for GEs not LEs.
    There is not going to be a GE , there are and will be local elections in May
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977
    edited February 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    https://abolishmcrm.com/vote-barbara-fielding-to-get-our-white-european-supremacy-back/

    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.

    If that's why she's been arrested it is an utter disgrace. She's unhinged, that's all.

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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    RobD said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Quote online says:

    "Mr Jefferson said Brexit had fuelled a surge in membership and that the [BNP] was now a "resurgent force". He said it had taken control of its first council this year [2016] and that membership numbers to be released at the end of the year would show a "significant" surge."

    Which council?

    They have one councillor in the entire country, so that cannot be true.
    I think that one is now technically an independent.

    As TSE said below it's actually a parish council, so only Corbyn cares. Plus they don't actually call themselves the BNP...
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,142
    MarkSenior said:

    steve_garner said:

    So Mark Senior thinks the Conservative name on the ballot paper is poisonous whilst predicting net overall gains for the Tories in May. Good luck with that analysis.

    Conservatives can thanks their lucky stars they have Ruth Davidson in Scotland as leader rather than the insipid May .
    Perhaps you'd like to give us your prediction for the national equivalent votes in the May elections ?

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    MarkSenior said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    Opinion polls are for GEs not LEs.
    There is not going to be a GE , there are and will be local elections in May
    Sean was obviously talking about the vote share in the context of the country as a whole, not local elections!
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977
    MarkSenior said:

    steve_garner said:

    So Mark Senior thinks the Conservative name on the ballot paper is poisonous whilst predicting net overall gains for the Tories in May. Good luck with that analysis.

    Conservatives can thanks their lucky stars they have Ruth Davidson in Scotland as leader rather than the insipid May .

    And that Jeremy Corbyn is Labour leader.

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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    weejonnie said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    That Trump polling isn't surprising, he lost the popular vote by nearly 3 million votes.

    He was already unpopular.

    But that well known liberal snowflake Janet Daley chimes in

    https://twitter.com/Telegraph/status/833063543507472385

    The Independents in America believe Trump over the media by 2:1.
    Didn't independents vote for Trump over Clinton, so not surprising is it?
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    QuincelQuincel Posts: 3,949
    RobD said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Quote online says:

    "Mr Jefferson said Brexit had fuelled a surge in membership and that the [BNP] was now a "resurgent force". He said it had taken control of its first council this year [2016] and that membership numbers to be released at the end of the year would show a "significant" surge."

    Which council?

    They have one councillor in the entire country, so that cannot be true.
    It is a parish council.

    http://www.essexlive.news/british-national-party-take-control-of-heybridge-parish-council-after-by-election-win/story-29829328-detail/story.html
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,457
    edited February 2017
    MarkSenior said:

    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    Opinion polls are for GEs not LEs.
    There is not going to be a GE , there are and will be local elections in May
    Ask Opinium to do a Local Election opinion poll.
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    MarkSeniorMarkSenior Posts: 4,699
    another_richard said:

    MarkSenior said:

    steve_garner said:

    So Mark Senior thinks the Conservative name on the ballot paper is poisonous whilst predicting net overall gains for the Tories in May. Good luck with that analysis.

    Conservatives can thanks their lucky stars they have Ruth Davidson in Scotland as leader rather than the insipid May .
    Perhaps you'd like to give us your prediction for the national equivalent votes in the May elections ?

    I will when the nominations are in . It will depend a fair bit on how few seats UKIP contest .
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    SouthamObserver said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    We were once the greatest nations on the planet.

    We had the greatest White Inventors, Manufacturers, Producers, Farmers, Skilled Workers, Labourers, Architects,Engineers, You name it, We White Germanic Europeans, were the supreme race, All over White Western Europe.

    The illegal immigrant Israeli Jews didn’t like that, nor did the rest of the Islamic Asian Indian states. They wanted to be us, and were determined to take over our lands and culture by stealth.

    So they married into as many White Wealthy families that they could find to give them white children and dominance over the lower classes with their nasty religion and Israeli Jewish terrorist Karl Marx political views.

    Then using their wealth gained by marriage alone, they bought All Propaganda and Media. And that which they could not buy, they took control of by total management, employing only Jewish or those married to Jews, as employees. The British Broadcasting Corporation was a victim of this.

    Then these Israeli Jewish Illegal Immigrants and Asylum Seekers, made Laws against us White UK Nationals, such as Anti-Semitic Laws, Racial Equality Laws, Anti Racist Laws.

    They had the audacity to Imprison Us White UK Nationals, for speaking out against them in our own lands, which they now rule over.

    I am going to kick out the whole manky lot, and take back control of the United Kingdom for us White Nationals.

    And you White National Reporters who read this, must help me in this by-election on 23rd February to win this seat, so that I can begin to put my plans into action, even if it is under the Tory Government. At least I can help them to put a few things right before its my turn to be Prime Minister.

    https://abolishmcrm.com/vote-barbara-fielding-to-get-our-white-european-supremacy-back/

    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.

    If that's why she's been arrested it is an utter disgrace. She's unhinged, that's all.

    A quick google says she's been inciting violence, rather than those comments.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,457
    MarkSenior said:

    steve_garner said:

    So Mark Senior thinks the Conservative name on the ballot paper is poisonous whilst predicting net overall gains for the Tories in May. Good luck with that analysis.

    Conservatives can thanks their lucky stars they have Ruth Davidson in Scotland as leader rather than the insipid May .
    Tim Farron can be proud of the fact that he makes Ed Miliband look positively Churchillian.
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    midwintermidwinter Posts: 1,112
    justin124 said:

    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Who was it who said something like 'the facts of life are conservative'
    But a good chunk of the UKIP vote could be said to be leftwing in the sense that they would still vote Labour in a straight fight with the Tories - which was very much the norm in the 1950s and to a significant extent the 1960s!
    Agree ukip supporters aren't all right wing. Doubt many vote Corbyn against May at least at the moment.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    BTW - I'm editing out the entirety of Barbara Fielding's comment, just leaving the link in.

    I feel like I've soiled PB by repeating her comments, and I apologise
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977
    The establishment:
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/18/boris-johnson-held-two-private-meetings-tony-blair-middle-east/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
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    steve_garnersteve_garner Posts: 1,019
    MarkSenior said:

    steve_garner said:

    So Mark Senior thinks the Conservative name on the ballot paper is poisonous whilst predicting net overall gains for the Tories in May. Good luck with that analysis.

    Conservatives can thanks their lucky stars they have Ruth Davidson in Scotland as leader rather than the insipid May .
    Ok Mark, if the PM is so insipid ho do you explain her ratings? Furthermore, how do you explain Tim Farron's ratings when compared to May's?

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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited February 2017
    https://twitter.com/UKIP/status/832906295183339521

    As twitter has pointed out - that doesn't look like stoke central.

    I lived in the constituency for a couple of years doing property related stuff & don't recall seing a building like that.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983
    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    There's nothing more "real" about local by-elections than there is about Parliamentary elections. Opinion polls survey the latter.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndyJS said:

    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?

    She could repeal it with an even shorter bill than the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

    Would the House of Lords support it?
    Repealing it wouldn't give her the power to call an election...
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977
    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    "VOTE. BARBARA FIELDING. TO GET OUR WHITE EUROPEAN SUPREMACY BACK."

    Blimey, what is it about Stoke Central that attracks so many nutters to stand...
    That website will rot your brains.
    But....... I agree with her, as would many if you give them enough lager. I'd quite like our white European Supremacy back. Speaking as a white European, it was fun when we totally ran the world and decided everything. It was certainly better than now, when we have to let in immigrants who openly hate us and rape our daughters, because the Guardian feels guilty.

    She has a point.

    She just needs a better sub-editor.


    For most of the time that white Europeans ran the world most white Europeans lived in squalor, had no say in how they were governed and died in their 40s, if they were lucky.

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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983
    MarkSenior said:

    steve_garner said:

    So Mark Senior thinks the Conservative name on the ballot paper is poisonous whilst predicting net overall gains for the Tories in May. Good luck with that analysis.

    Conservatives can thanks their lucky stars they have Ruth Davidson in Scotland as leader rather than the insipid May .
    But, there it is. A party with an already strong base in local government will probably gain further.
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    another_richardanother_richard Posts: 25,142
    MarkSenior said:

    another_richard said:

    MarkSenior said:

    steve_garner said:

    So Mark Senior thinks the Conservative name on the ballot paper is poisonous whilst predicting net overall gains for the Tories in May. Good luck with that analysis.

    Conservatives can thanks their lucky stars they have Ruth Davidson in Scotland as leader rather than the insipid May .
    Perhaps you'd like to give us your prediction for the national equivalent votes in the May elections ?

    I will when the nominations are in . It will depend a fair bit on how few seats UKIP contest .
    Can you tell us if you're expecting the LibDems to get a higher NEV than the Conservatives ?

    You have just described the Conservative description as poisonous on ballot papers so I assume you do.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    ThreeQuidder said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndyJS said:

    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?

    She could repeal it with an even shorter bill than the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

    Would the House of Lords support it?
    Repealing it wouldn't give her the power to call an election...
    A matter of some debate.

    Could be an interesting judicial review...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    https://twitter.com/RGentle8/status/833077884814229504
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983
    edited February 2017
    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    "VOTE. BARBARA FIELDING. TO GET OUR WHITE EUROPEAN SUPREMACY BACK."

    Blimey, what is it about Stoke Central that attracks so many nutters to stand...
    That website will rot your brains.
    But....... I agree with her, as would many if you give them enough lager. I'd quite like our white European Supremacy back. Speaking as a white European, it was fun when we totally ran the world and decided everything. It was certainly better than now, when we have to let in immigrants who openly hate us and rape our daughters, because the Guardian feels guilty.

    She has a point.

    She just needs a better sub-editor.


    For most of the time that white Europeans ran the world most white Europeans lived in squalor, had no say in how they were governed and died in their 40s, if they were lucky.

    Yeah, but we still had fun. Life was one long stag party. You just need to watch shows like Vikings to se that.
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/RGentle8/status/833077884814229504

    North, innit?
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    MarkSenior said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Real local elections Jan and Feb to date , Cons 20.5% plus UKIP 10.1% equals 30.6%
    Lab 24.9%
    LDems 26.2%
    There haven't been any real local elections since last May and there won't be any until this May.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    ThreeQuidder said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndyJS said:

    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?

    She could repeal it with an even shorter bill than the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

    Would the House of Lords support it?
    Repealing it wouldn't give her the power to call an election...
    Well I disagree as we'd be back to the Lascelles Principles
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    -snip-

    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    Beyond the obvious batshit nazi stuff, there are a few rather odd points in her manifesto:

    The Death Penalty for anyone using a Radio Signal to kill or control another human being or animal, except in warfare.
    Not entirely sure how frequently radio signals are used as murder weapons, but this seems to be the only situation in which the death penalty would apply according to her manifesto

    Nuclear Power will be banned.
    Fracking will incur imprisonment.
    So she may get the Green Party vote at least...
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,602
    edited February 2017
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/RGentle8/status/833077884814229504

    North, innit?
    When I become PM/Directly Elected Dictator one of my first acts will be to launch a Royal Commission that will decide where the North ends, where the the Midlands is, and ditto the South.
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    SquareRootSquareRoot Posts: 7,095
    Polls still overstating Labour. 27% is far too high imho.
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    Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 49,457
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    https://twitter.com/RGentle8/status/833077884814229504

    North, innit?
    When I become PM/Directly Elected Dictator one of my first acts will be to launch a Royal Commission that will decide where the North begins/ends, ditto the Midlands, and the South.
    North = places where people make "but" and "put" rhyme, "maths" and "baths", etc.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    edited February 2017
    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndyJS said:

    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?

    She could repeal it with an even shorter bill than the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

    Would the House of Lords support it?
    Repealing it wouldn't give her the power to call an election...
    Well I disagree as we'd be back to the Lascelles Principles
    Repealing an act does not undo the repealing of acts by said act, so we'd not have any limits on the length of a parliament.
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    "VOTE. BARBARA FIELDING. TO GET OUR WHITE EUROPEAN SUPREMACY BACK."

    Blimey, what is it about Stoke Central that attracks so many nutters to stand...
    That website will rot your brains.
    But....... I agree with her, as would many if you give them enough lager. I'd quite like our white European Supremacy back. Speaking as a white European, it was fun when we totally ran the world and decided everything. It was certainly better than now, when we have to let in immigrants who openly hate us and rape our daughters, because the Guardian feels guilty.

    She has a point.

    She just needs a better sub-editor.


    For most of the time that white Europeans ran the world most white Europeans lived in squalor, had no say in how they were governed and died in their 40s, if they were lucky.

    I thought life expectancy was low because of infant mortality?
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977
    SeanT said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    "VOTE. BARBARA FIELDING. TO GET OUR WHITE EUROPEAN SUPREMACY BACK."

    Blimey, what is it about Stoke Central that attracks so many nutters to stand...
    That website will rot your brains.
    But....... I agree with her, as would many if you give them enough lager. I'd quite like our white European Supremacy back. Speaking as a white European, it was fun when we totally ran the world and decided everything. It was certainly better than now, when we have to let in immigrants who openly hate us and rape our daughters, because the Guardian feels guilty.

    She has a point.

    She just needs a better sub-editor.


    For most of the time that white Europeans ran the world most white Europeans lived in squalor, had no say in how they were governed and died in their 40s, if they were lucky.

    But they were still RELATIVELY better off than all other humans.

    As the saying goes, Happy is the Indian peasant who has two underfed cows, when all the other villagers have one.

    My uncle Fred was in the merchant navy in the 30s (convoys in the War). He saw India, Hong Kong, Africa, Canada, and Union Jacks everywhere. That was the time to be an ordinary Brit in the big wide world. I'd love to have seen it. I didn't even get to see HK before the handover.

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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndyJS said:

    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?

    She could repeal it with an even shorter bill than the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

    Would the House of Lords support it?
    Repealing it wouldn't give her the power to call an election...
    Well I disagree as we'd be back to the Lascelles Principles
    Repealing an act does not undo the repealing of acts by said act, so we'd not have any limits on the length of a parliament.
    It's a terribly boring argument about what happens to the exercise of the royal prerogative, and if it can be revived once taken away. Which will be completely mute since unlike TSE's example the bill can in fact be longer than two lines and will give the government the right to call an election (if such a bill is ever passed).
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    RobD said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    "VOTE. BARBARA FIELDING. TO GET OUR WHITE EUROPEAN SUPREMACY BACK."

    Blimey, what is it about Stoke Central that attracks so many nutters to stand...
    That website will rot your brains.
    But....... I agree with her, as would many if you give them enough lager. I'd quite like our white European Supremacy back. Speaking as a white European, it was fun when we totally ran the world and decided everything. It was certainly better than now, when we have to let in immigrants who openly hate us and rape our daughters, because the Guardian feels guilty.

    She has a point.

    She just needs a better sub-editor.


    For most of the time that white Europeans ran the world most white Europeans lived in squalor, had no say in how they were governed and died in their 40s, if they were lucky.

    I thought life expectancy was low because of infant mortality?
    Particularly low, yes. But it still wasn't great even if you made it to 5.
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    Ishmael_ZIshmael_Z Posts: 8,981
    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    "VOTE. BARBARA FIELDING. TO GET OUR WHITE EUROPEAN SUPREMACY BACK."

    Blimey, what is it about Stoke Central that attracks so many nutters to stand...
    That website will rot your brains.
    But....... I agree with her, as would many if you give them enough lager. I'd quite like our white European Supremacy back. Speaking as a white European, it was fun when we totally ran the world and decided everything. It was certainly better than now, when we have to let in immigrants who openly hate us and rape our daughters, because the Guardian feels guilty.

    She has a point.

    She just needs a better sub-editor.


    For most of the time that white Europeans ran the world most white Europeans lived in squalor, had no say in how they were governed and died in their 40s, if they were lucky.

    They led the world in squalor-abolition, democratization and life-prolongation, though, so not sure what your point is?
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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndyJS said:

    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?

    She could repeal it with an even shorter bill than the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

    Would the House of Lords support it?
    Repealing it wouldn't give her the power to call an election...
    Well I disagree as we'd be back to the Lascelles Principles
    Repealing an act does not undo the repealing of acts by said act, so we'd not have any limits on the length of a parliament.
    It's a terribly boring argument about what happens to the exercise of the royal prerogative, and if it can be revived once taken away. Which will be completely mute since unlike TSE's example the bill can in fact be longer than two lines and will give the government the right to call an election (if such a bill is ever passed).
    There would have to be some clause in there stating how long a parliament is, since the Septennial Act has been repealed in its entirety.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,006
    edited February 2017
    EDIT TSE beat me to it.
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    ThreeQuidderThreeQuidder Posts: 6,133
    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndyJS said:

    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?

    She could repeal it with an even shorter bill than the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

    Would the House of Lords support it?
    Repealing it wouldn't give her the power to call an election...
    Well I disagree as we'd be back to the Lascelles Principles
    Repealing an act does not undo the repealing of acts by said act, so we'd not have any limits on the length of a parliament.
    Indeed.

    And when a prerogative power is given up, it's gone for ever.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,070
    Sunil_Prasannan said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    A little-known fact re. Oliver Cromwell is that he encouraged the Jewish community to return to England after their expulsion in the 13th century.
    I don't think that's little known. Certainly, I knew (and know) it.
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    Sean_FSean_F Posts: 35,983
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    "VOTE. BARBARA FIELDING. TO GET OUR WHITE EUROPEAN SUPREMACY BACK."

    Blimey, what is it about Stoke Central that attracks so many nutters to stand...
    That website will rot your brains.
    But....... I agree with her, as would many if you give them enough lager. I'd quite like our white European Supremacy back. Speaking as a white European, it was fun when we totally ran the world and decided everything. It was certainly better than now, when we have to let in immigrants who openly hate us and rape our daughters, because the Guardian feels guilty.

    She has a point.

    She just needs a better sub-editor.


    g
    For most of the time that white Europeans ran the world most white Europeans lived in squalor, had no say in how they were governed and died in their 40s, if they were lucky.

    Yeah, but we still had fun. Life was one long stag party.
    The average Englishman was arguably the best-fed, best-housed, safest human being on the planet from about 1400-1910. And all we drank was beer, we despised mere water.

    Good times indeed.

    I want them back, and I expect Brexit to deliver this.

    It's already working for me. Since the Brexit vote I've earned maybe £300,000, and had sex with about 15 girls aged 20-28. Can't argue with results like that. Imagine how good it will get once we trigger Article 50! My sex life will probably resemble that of Tiberius in retirement on Capri, and I'll have to use my excess cash to buy large parts of Scotland.
    "Minnows", pornographic paintings, and little nooks of lechery.
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    SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 38,977
    Ishmael_Z said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    "VOTE. BARBARA FIELDING. TO GET OUR WHITE EUROPEAN SUPREMACY BACK."

    Blimey, what is it about Stoke Central that attracks so many nutters to stand...
    That website will rot your brains.
    But....... I agree with her, as would many if you give them enough lager. I'd quite like our white European Supremacy back. Speaking as a white European, it was fun when we totally ran the world and decided everything. It was certainly better than now, when we have to let in immigrants who openly hate us and rape our daughters, because the Guardian feels guilty.

    She has a point.

    She just needs a better sub-editor.


    For most of the time that white Europeans ran the world most white Europeans lived in squalor, had no say in how they were governed and died in their 40s, if they were lucky.

    They led the world in squalor-abolition, democratization and life-prolongation, though, so not sure what your point is?

    Some Europeans did.

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    RobDRobD Posts: 58,990
    ThreeQuidder said:

    RobD said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    ThreeQuidder said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    AndyJS said:

    How difficult would it be for Theresa May to get round the Fixed Term Parliament Act if she wants to hold an election this year?

    She could repeal it with an even shorter bill than the European Union (Notification of Withdrawal) Bill.

    Would the House of Lords support it?
    Repealing it wouldn't give her the power to call an election...
    Well I disagree as we'd be back to the Lascelles Principles
    Repealing an act does not undo the repealing of acts by said act, so we'd not have any limits on the length of a parliament.
    Indeed.

    And when a prerogative power is given up, it's gone for ever.
    Is that a settled issue, I thought it was still debated?
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    nielhnielh Posts: 1,307
    Charles said:

    SeanT said:

    That progressive majority looks a bit, um, farcically ludicrous now, dunnit?


    Tories plus UKIP = 54%. An absolute majority.

    Lab plus.... half the LDs plus a few Greens and leftier Plaids and Nats are about 35%?

    The country is now firmly rightwing. As is reality.

    Who was it who said something like 'the facts of life are conservative'
    The 'left/right' axis is now obsolete. The tories are implementing large parts of Ed Millibands 2015 labour party manifesto. It is the 'hyper capitalist -centrist-liberal-progressive' government in the Blair and Cameron tradition that has been decisively rejected, the tories have been very quick to percieve and adapt to this reality, whereas Labour have the wrong answers.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,070
    SeanT said:

    But they were still RELATIVELY better off than all other humans.

    As the saying goes, Happy is the Indian peasant who has two underfed cows, when all the other villagers have one.

    I've been to some absolute shit holes in my time (as have you), and I'm not sure that saying holds much water. It's Maslow's heirarchy of needs: social status is only important after you've managed to feed you and your family.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,144
    SeanT said:

    Sean_F said:

    SouthamObserver said:

    SeanT said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    SimonStClare said:

    TheScreamingEagles said:

    TheWhiteRabbit said:

    Apparently one of the independents in Stoke is head of the "Abolish Magna Carta, Reinstate Monarchy" movement...

    Yeah, she was arrested the other day for her more 'interesting' views.

    She's not exactly keen on the Jews.
    Barbara Fielding, aged 78, she called for all immigrants to be repatriated and warns of a “seeping tide of Islamic warriors” according to the Guardian. What’s this about Jews?
    She's got some interesting views on that well known Jew, Sir Winston Churchill.
    "VOTE. BARBARA FIELDING. TO GET OUR WHITE EUROPEAN SUPREMACY BACK."

    Blimey, what is it about Stoke Central that attracks so many nutters to stand...
    That website will rot your brains.
    But....... I agree with her, as would many if you give them enough lager. I'd quite like our white European Supremacy back. Speaking as a white European, it was fun when we totally ran the world and decided everything. It was certainly better than now, when we have to let in immigrants who openly hate us and rape our daughters, because the Guardian feels guilty.

    She has a point.

    She just needs a better sub-editor.


    g
    For most of the time that white Europeans ran the world most white Europeans lived in squalor, had no say in how they were governed and died in their 40s, if they were lucky.

    Yeah, but we still had fun. Life was one long stag party.
    The average Englishman was arguably the best-fed, best-housed, safest human being on the planet from about 1400-1910. And all we drank was beer, we despised mere water.

    Good times indeed.

    I want them back, and I expect Brexit to deliver this.

    It's already working for me. Since the Brexit vote I've earned maybe £300,000, and had sex with about 15 girls aged 20-28. Can't argue with results like that. Imagine how good it will get once we trigger Article 50! My sex life will probably resemble that of Tiberius in retirement on Capri, and I'll have to use my excess cash to buy large parts of Scotland.
    I look forward to you buying Arthur's Seat - and having a Mount Rushmore style image of yourself, leering over the good folk of Edinburgh.....
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