I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
What I find odd is the lies that were told about there being no such contacts, lies that according to the NYT article the White House is still standing by. This puts what might have been completely proper discussions into a different context, especially when the Russians stand accused of interfering in the election process. To say that the Trump administration was not handling this well would be an understatement. Their lack of political and public life experience means they are making mistakes that are going to cause them problems.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
She was on the right side of the argument in the last two major political betting events, while everyone else was congratulating themselves on how right they'd got it only to be shown to be wrong, and is being bullied/cyber stalked by people who were in the wrong side of both and have never contributed anything useful to the site
Nonsense. A week before both elections she said she had no idea who would win.
Pointing out that your argument is based on lies and hypocrisy is not bullying.
Oh Ok, you are saying Plato isn't on the side of Trump/Leave PB wise then. Not sure I agree but anything goes
The latest immigration figures will be published towards the end of February. Assuming the figures continue to show significant net immigration, concern will return.
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
What I find odd is the lies that were told about there being no such contacts, lies that according to the NYT article the White House is still standing by. This puts what might have been completely proper discussions into a different context, especially when the Russians stand accused of interfering in the election process. To say that the Trump administration was not handling this well would be an understatement. Their lack of political and public life experience means they are making mistakes that are going to cause them problems.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Obviously, though, it was absolutely fine for the head of the FBI to scupper Hillary Clinton just a few weeks before the presidential election. And as for voter suppression. That's not a problem at all.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
How many of the last major political betting events have you called right, Rogerdamus? This is politicalbetting, after all, not politicalhandwringing.
Posters have been making money betting against my predictions for years. I was the one who cemented Mike's 50/1 on Obama by saying 'Don't touch it with a bargepole'
The latest immigration figures will be published towards the end of February. Assuming the figures continue to show significant net immigration, concern will return.
The next set of immigration figures are published on the day of the Stoke/Copeland by-elections.
Not that Sherlock/Cumberbatch won, but this line [which I recall from the programme, when I used to watch it]:
"He continued: "Who would have thought a high-functioning sociopath could be so popular... all over the world?""
Psychopaths/sociopaths, as well as sometimes being a bit murdery, are defined by things like glib charm and high intelligence. They make fantastic leaders. They're not autistic. They're high-functioning by nature.
Saying 'high-functioning psychopath/sociopath*' is like saying 'mathematically talented savant'.
*Debate rages as to whether there's a difference. Some say psychopaths are capable of empathy and can switch it on and off, whereas sociopaths are incapable.
I think that the whole US establishment are reeling after the Trump victory. This includes Democrats, Republicans, CIA, FBI and other state institutions, and the lobbying/media. The cosy club that they've existed within has been thrown into turmoil and they don't know how to react.
I don't know if Trump will be a good or bad President but the US political establishment will have a very uncomfortable 4 years and if Trump is anywhere near successful, it could be 8 years!
I just hope that some of the deep seated corruption is rooted out and removed and some of the pork barrel politics is exposed for what it is.
Deep seated corruption and pork barrel politics is just begining. The US has copied Russias kleptocracy with Trump.
I see no evidence that Trump will do this rooting out. We were promised swamp draining and then he puts half of Goldman Sachs into his Cabinet. Yeh right - Wall Street is really gonna get it in the neck.
You missed his announcement of the death of Dodd-Frank obviously. The marriage of Washington and Wall Street is headed for divorce.
That makes no sense.
US banks hate Dodd-Frank, partly because it is excessively rule bound, and partly because it prevents retail banks from offering lucrative investment banking services.
This last part is very important: a major cause of the 2008 Global Financial Crisis was because retail banks were able to use implicit government guarantees to lever up and trade. (Which was fabulous while asset prices were rising, but turned out to be a complete disaster when they went the other way.)
The Trump tweet would seem to suggest that there will be a straight repeal of Dodd-Frank. If that were to happen, and US retail banks were to allowed to trade with their customers' money, that would be good for US banks' profits in the near-term, but probably not good for world financial stability in the long run. Dodd-Frank, for all its flaws, attempted to stop banks from excessive gambling. I hope it will be replaced and not simply repealed.
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
What I find odd is the lies that were told about there being no such contacts, lies that according to the NYT article the White House is still standing by. This puts what might have been completely proper discussions into a different context, especially when the Russians stand accused of interfering in the election process. To say that the Trump administration was not handling this well would be an understatement. Their lack of political and public life experience means they are making mistakes that are going to cause them problems.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Obviously, though, it was absolutely fine for the head of the FBI to scupper Hillary Clinton just a few weeks before the presidential election. And as for voter suppression. That's not a problem at all.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
How many of the last major political betting events have you called right, Rogerdamus? This is politicalbetting, after all, not politicalhandwringing.
Posters have been making money betting against my predictions for years. I was the one who cemented Mike's 50/1 on Obama by saying 'Don't touch it with a bargepole'
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
What I find odd is the lies that were told about there being no such contacts, lies that according to the NYT article the White House is still standing by. This puts what might have been completely proper discussions into a different context, especially when the Russians stand accused of interfering in the election process. To say that the Trump administration was not handling this well would be an understatement. Their lack of political and public life experience means they are making mistakes that are going to cause them problems.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Obviously, though, it was absolutely fine for the head of the FBI to scupper Hillary Clinton just a few weeks before the presidential election. And as for voter suppression. That's not a problem at all.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
How many of the last major political betting events have you called right, Rogerdamus? This is politicalbetting, after all, not politicalhandwringing.
Posters have been making money betting against my predictions for years. I was the one who cemented Mike's 50/1 on Obama by saying 'Don't touch it with a bargepole'
Fantastically predictable how the "If Trump wins we all owe Plato a big apology" has morphed into "Plato never predicted Trump" from the nerdy after timers
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
What I find odd is the lies that were told about there being no such contacts, lies that according to the NYT article the White House is still standing by. This puts what might have been completely proper discussions into a different context, especially when the Russians stand accused of interfering in the election process. To say that the Trump administration was not handling this well would be an understatement. Their lack of political and public life experience means they are making mistakes that are going to cause them problems.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
She was on the right side of the argument in the last two major political betting events, while everyone else was congratulating themselves on how right they'd got it only to be shown to be wrong, and is being bullied/cyber stalked by people who were in the wrong side of both and have never contributed anything useful to the site
Nonsense. A week before both elections she said she had no idea who would win.
Pointing out that your argument is based on lies and hypocrisy is not bullying.
Oh Ok, you are saying Plato isn't on the side of Trump/Leave PB wise then. Not sure I agree but anything goes
No, I'm saying she didn't actually have any useful insights into the outcome of either election.
What a fine, patriotic, principled, lion of a man.
An unusual new relationship has blossomed on Valentine's Day with a former Labour county councillor – and vocal critic of Jeremy Corbyn – joining the Conservatives.
Leicestershire county councillor Leon Spence has crossed the floor to join the Tories at County Hall with an election looming in May.
Also, to ramble some more before I get back to work, the 'sociopathy' view of a 'social disease' is just drunken madness. It smacks of extroversion as the norm and introversion as a problem, whereas there's an almost exact 50/50 split. Plus, it would mean that having a lot of friends would also be seen as a 'disease/condition'.
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
What I find odd is the lies that were told about there being no such contacts, lies that according to the NYT article the White House is still standing by. This puts what might have been completely proper discussions into a different context, especially when the Russians stand accused of interfering in the election process. To say that the Trump administration was not handling this well would be an understatement. Their lack of political and public life experience means they are making mistakes that are going to cause them problems.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Obviously, though, it was absolutely fine for the head of the FBI to scupper Hillary Clinton just a few weeks before the presidential election. And as for voter suppression. That's not a problem at all.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
How many of the last major political betting events have you called right, Rogerdamus? This is politicalbetting, after all, not politicalhandwringing.
Posters have been making money betting against my predictions for years. I was the one who cemented Mike's 50/1 on Obama by saying 'Don't touch it with a bargepole'
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
She was on the right side of the argument in the last two major political betting events, while everyone else was congratulating themselves on how right they'd got it only to be shown to be wrong, and is being bullied/cyber stalked by people who were in the wrong side of both and have never contributed anything useful to the site
Nonsense. A week before both elections she said she had no idea who would win.
Pointing out that your argument is based on lies and hypocrisy is not bullying.
Oh Ok, you are saying Plato isn't on the side of Trump/Leave PB wise then. Not sure I agree but anything goes
No, I'm saying she didn't actually have any useful insights into the outcome of either election.
Neither did 95% of the people on here, but half of them think they are shrewd bettors! She was one of the few people to post articles that gave Trump a chance, while everyone else was counting their Hillary winnings. Ditto the referendum, read the threads
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
What I find odd is the lies that were told about there being no such contacts, lies that according to the NYT article the White House is still standing by. This puts what might have been completely proper discussions into a different context, especially when the Russians stand accused of interfering in the election process. To say that the Trump administration was not handling this well would be an understatement. Their lack of political and public life experience means they are making mistakes that are going to cause them problems.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
How many of the last major political betting events have you called right, Rogerdamus? This is politicalbetting, after all, not politicalhandwringing.
Posters have been making money betting against my predictions for years. I was the one who cemented Mike's 50/1 on Obama by saying 'Don't touch it with a bargepole'
I think if Trump is smart he'll look at which of his intended projects will get easy support from GOP legislators and which are more difficult - and then push the win/win ones first. He and they both would benefit from a better relationship. He seems reasonably OK with eg Ryan but much less so with eg McCain. Crossing Ts and dotting Is and checking legality / doability for his Executive Orders would help too. More haste less speed. I don't think Trump is a fool, but is clearly not experienced in the mechanics of executive leadership in government (vs inbusiness world). I expect him to learn and the screw-up rate to drop sharply.
If the Prime Minister is going to Copeland, presumably the Conservative Party's canvassing (or Facebook likes or whatever is this week's big data equivalent) shows it has a good chance of winning the seat.
In Stoke, Nuttall looks doomed although I'm not sure how deeply Hillsborough resonates 50 miles south of Liverpool.
I simply don't understand the mentality which makes people want to claim that they were at the scene of a tragedy. Why? It is so bizarre and so offensive to those who were there and did suffer.
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
She was on the right side of the argument in the last two major political betting events, while everyone else was congratulating themselves on how right they'd got it only to be shown to be wrong, and is being bullied/cyber stalked by people who were in the wrong side of both and have never contributed anything useful to the site
Nonsense. A week before both elections she said she had no idea who would win.
Pointing out that your argument is based on lies and hypocrisy is not bullying.
Oh Ok, you are saying Plato isn't on the side of Trump/Leave PB wise then. Not sure I agree but anything goes
No, I'm saying she didn't actually have any useful insights into the outcome of either election.
Neither did 95% of the people on here, but half of them think they are shrewd bettors! She was one of the few people to post articles that gave Trump a chance, while everyone else was counting their Hillary winnings. Ditto the referendum, read the threads
I made big money (by my betting standards, though probably not yours) by correctly backing Brexit and Trump, despite them being the exact opposite of what I wanted to happen.
If the Prime Minister is going to Copeland, presumably the Conservative Party's canvassing (or Facebook likes or whatever is this week's big data equivalent) shows it has a good chance of winning the seat.
In Stoke, Nuttall looks doomed although I'm not sure how deeply Hillsborough resonates 50 miles south of Liverpool.
I simply don't understand the mentality which makes people want to claim that they were at the scene of a tragedy. Why? It is so bizarre and so offensive to those who were there and did suffer.
It is calling for attention, any attention. Typical of people with low self-esteem.
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
Nonsense. A week before both elections she said she had no idea who would win.
Pointing out that your argument is based on lies and hypocrisy is not bullying.
Oh Ok, you are saying Plato isn't on the side of Trump/Leave PB wise then. Not sure I agree but anything goes
No, I'm saying she didn't actually have any useful insights into the outcome of either election.
Neither did 95% of the people on here, but half of them think they are shrewd bettors! She was one of the few people to post articles that gave Trump a chance, while everyone else was counting their Hillary winnings. Ditto the referendum, read the threads
I made big money (by my betting standards, though probably not yours) by correctly backing Brexit and Trump, despite them being the exact opposite of what I wanted to happen.
Well done. I am not having a go at you, but I think it is untrue to say that Plato wasn't generally pro Trumps chances. I reckon she would have got a fair amount of stick had Clinton won, and people were saying she was owed an apology when Trump did.
I think that the whole US establishment are reeling after the Trump victory. This includes Democrats, Republicans, CIA, FBI and other state institutions, and the lobbying/media. The cosy club that they've existed within has been thrown into turmoil and they don't know how to react.
I don't know if Trump will be a good or bad President but the US political establishment will have a very uncomfortable 4 years and if Trump is anywhere near successful, it could be 8 years!
I just hope that some of the deep seated corruption is rooted out and removed and some of the pork barrel politics is exposed for what it is.
Deep seated corruption and pork barrel politics is just begining. The US has copied Russias kleptocracy with Trump.
I see no evidence that Trump will do this rooting out. We were promised swamp draining and then he puts half of Goldman Sachs into his Cabinet. Yeh right - Wall Street is really gonna get it in the neck.
You missed his announcement of the death of Dodd-Frank obviously. The marriage of Washington and Wall Street is headed for divorce.
That makes no sense.
US banks hate Dodd-Frank, partly because it is excessively rule bound, and partly because it prevents retail banks from offering lucrative investment banking services.
This last part is very important: a major cause of the 2008 Global Financial Crisis was because retail banks were able to use implicit government guarantees to lever up and trade. (Which was fabulous while asset prices were rising, but turned out to be a complete disaster when they went the other way.)
The Trump tweet would seem to suggest that there will be a straight repeal of Dodd-Frank. If that were to happen, and US retail banks were to allowed to trade with their customers' money, that would be good for US banks' profits in the near-term, but probably not good for world financial stability in the long run. Dodd-Frank, for all its flaws, attempted to stop banks from excessive gambling. I hope it will be replaced and not simply repealed.
I agree with all of that - and clearly failed to make myself clear. I was focussing on the need for graft. A straight repeal would be a shit idea, absent some way to keep the utility and casino bits of banking apart. My point was that when governments legislate in ways that upset big players the big players then get lobbying and eventually get loopholes, concessions, repeals etc (not just talking finance here but defence, environment, GM food, you name it). If Trump repeals Dodd-Frank (which banks do indeed hate) but puts in place instead a sensible and much less burdensome alternative then that removes from the outset the need for dirty money and lobbying.
BBC - UK unemployment fell by 7,000 to 1.6 million in three months to December, while average earnings rose 2.6%, figures show.
Despite Brexit..?
A tribute to George Osborne's magnificent stewardship of the economy.
He didn't realise how Brexit proof he made the economy.
Huzzah for George.
The lack of the Brexit recession must surely in part be down to the world economy improving. Commodity stocks have doubled in a year, and oil has jumped too. China, USA and the EU are also growing. A rising tide floats all boats. How long the tide rises is another question. It would be ironic and unfortunate if we end the L shaped recovery from the GFC by a wave of protectionism pushing us back into recession.
Tories need to watch that NHS/social care doesn't sink them, Corbyn or not.
Does the issues list lag major television themes prior to the survey period or arehose themes a leading indicator of what the public's concerns are? I'm thinking here in the context of the annual NHS in crisis broadcasting - but equally Europe-arious broadcasting comes into play.
Posters have been making money betting against my predictions for years. I was the one who cemented Mike's 50/1 on Obama by saying 'Don't touch it with a bargepole'
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
She was on the right side of the argument in the last two major political betting events, while everyone else was congratulating themselves on how right they'd got it only to be shown to be wrong, and is being bullied/cyber stalked by people who were in the wrong side of both and have never contributed anything useful to the site
Nonsense. A week before both elections she said she had no idea who would win.
Pointing out that your argument is based on lies and hypocrisy is not bullying.
Oh Ok, you are saying Plato isn't on the side of Trump/Leave PB wise then. Not sure I agree but anything goes
No, I'm saying she didn't actually have any useful insights into the outcome of either election.
Neither did 95% of the people on here, but half of them think they are shrewd bettors! She was one of the few people to post articles that gave Trump a chance, while everyone else was counting their Hillary winnings. Ditto the referendum, read the threads
You read old PB threads and you're calling other posters nerdy?
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
She was on the right side of the argument in the last two major political betting events, while everyone else was congratulating themselves on how right they'd got it only to be shown to be wrong, and is being bullied/cyber stalked by people who were in the wrong side of both and have never contributed anything useful to the site
Nonsense. A week before both elections she said she had no idea who would win.
Pointing out that your argument is based on lies and hypocrisy is not bullying.
Oh Ok, you are saying Plato isn't on the side of Trump/Leave PB wise then. Not sure I agree but anything goes
No, I'm saying she didn't actually have any useful insights into the outcome of either election.
Neither did 95% of the people on here, but half of them think they are shrewd bettors! She was one of the few people to post articles that gave Trump a chance, while everyone else was counting their Hillary winnings. Ditto the referendum, read the threads
You read old PB threads and you're calling other posters nerdy?
For the record 'PlatoSaid' predicted a narrow Hillary Clinton win at Potus 2016. And nobody is accusing the account of being a bot. The user(s) is/are extremely skilled at extreme satire. Hats off!
If she upsets you so much, why not take your own advice and ignore.
I'm applauding the account!
No, you are attempting to close down any debate on Trump that does not fit your narrative.
As I showed below, Plato's 'facts' are often wrong. If 'closing down the debate' means correcting falsehoods, then perhaps we should have more debates closed down.
Just for the records its worth noting that the neutrality of snopes is starting to look a bit shaky, specifically they are refusing to comment on its assessment process, the people involved etc, and largely responds to any requests for details about their inner workings as, in effect, "its a secret"
Mr. P, surprised by that Stoke graph. Not the red and purple lines but that the yellow one has flatlined (mildly surprised the blue one isn't a little higher, though they're focusing on Copeland).
The graph is about probability of winning , not vote share. Probability of winning only begins to come into play once vote share exceeds 25% unless three separate outcomes are in play.
I think the Lib Dems will do well. Might even get close to 20%.
Posters have been making money betting against my predictions for years. I was the one who cemented Mike's 50/1 on Obama by saying 'Don't touch it with a bargepole'
BBC - UK unemployment fell by 7,000 to 1.6 million in three months to December, while average earnings rose 2.6%, figures show.
Despite Brexit..?
A tribute to George Osborne's magnificent stewardship of the economy.
He didn't realise how Brexit proof he made the economy.
Huzzah for George.
When the history books are written, I'm sure a whole paragraph will be dedicated to George.
In the footnotes.
Titled 'How to master strategize yourself onto the back benches'
Osborne is only on the backbench because of one thing. His strategy didn't take account of Dave not listening to his advice and instead calling a EU referendum. Osborne said it was a "crazy idea" according to accounts.
General comment that I've made before - PB is at its least interesting when it's full of anonymous posters criticising other anonymous posters. It just encourages trolling.
On Stoke, just to play devil's advocate - Trump is evidence for the theory that there's no publicity that is bad publicity. Nuttall is now certainly the best-known candidate in Stoke: indeed, some Labour literature is so obsessed with him that you might at a casual glance think he was the Labour candidate. Possibly some voters will feel hey, he's stirring people up, that's what we need?
I do think Labour will hold it. But it's not a 1.01 slam-dunk IMO.
For the record 'PlatoSaid' predicted a narrow Hillary Clinton win at Potus 2016. And nobody is accusing the account of being a bot. The user(s) is/are extremely skilled at extreme satire. Hats off!
If she upsets you so much, why not take your own advice and ignore.
I'm applauding the account!
No, you are attempting to close down any debate on Trump that does not fit your narrative.
As I showed below, Plato's 'facts' are often wrong. If 'closing down the debate' means correcting falsehoods, then perhaps we should have more debates closed down.
Just for the records its worth noting that the neutrality of snopes is starting to look a bit shaky, specifically they are refusing to comment on its assessment process, the people involved etc, and largely responds to any requests for details about their inner workings as, in effect, "its a secret"
Yes, you need to be careful with fact-checking sites. But :
1) There are plenty of other links I could have provided.
2) The main issue is that Plato confused 'uranium ore' with 'plutonium'. As anyone with a scintilla of knowledge about this knows, there is a world of difference. Needless to say, what she wrote would have much more impact if true than the reality. Plutonium is nasty stuff. Uranium ore generally is not, although it's not a good idea to ingest it.
On-topic, I think we will see Labour hold on in both seats. For Copeland, I just struggle to see the reason to vote for a governing party in an ultimately meaningless by-election, if you are not already a signed up conservative supporter. People generally want to hold their governments feet to the fire - not give them repeated endorsements throughout the term. There's no motivation to vote for the Tories here. Only chance is other parties eating enough Lab vote to give it to the Tories.
For Stoke, the effect of the Labour candidate's bad tweeting habits are being massively blown out of proportion on here - they may be unpleasant but they won't sway votes, these things rarely do. Nuttall has shot himself in the foot several times now, and the LD's may do well but not enough to come through and win - they are having a bounceback but not exactly sweeping away all that stand before them.
Finally, let's remember that the Labour vote share has actually held up well in by-elections where they weren't being squeezed. When people aren't choosing a PM like in a GE, Corbyn is irrelevant not a liability.
I agree with your analysis. People put off by Snell's non PC tweets, are not going into the polling station clutching their pearls and voting for UKIP. Copeland is the sort of place that sees itself neglected by government imposed austerity. Labour have the right candidate for the issues there.
Turnout will matter, but I think Labour will win the brace.
BBC - UK unemployment fell by 7,000 to 1.6 million in three months to December, while average earnings rose 2.6%, figures show.
Despite Brexit..?
A tribute to George Osborne's magnificent stewardship of the economy.
He didn't realise how Brexit proof he made the economy.
Huzzah for George.
When the history books are written, I'm sure a whole paragraph will be dedicated to George.
In the footnotes.
Titled 'How to master strategize yourself onto the back benches'
Osborne is only on the backbench because of one thing. His strategy didn't take account of Dave not listening to his advice and instead calling a EU referendum. Osborne said it was a "crazy idea" according to accounts.
And yet, he claimed to be Eurosceptic. Dozy, dishonest twat more like,
General comment that I've made before - PB is at its least interesting when it's full of anonymous posters criticising other anonymous posters. It just encourages trolling.
On Stoke, just to play devil's advocate - Trump is evidence for the theory that there's no publicity that is bad publicity. Nuttall is now certainly the best-known candidate in Stoke: indeed, some Labour literature is so obsessed with him that you might at a casual glance think he was the Labour candidate. Possibly some voters will feel hey, he's stirring people up, that's what we need?
I do think Labour will hold it. But it's not a 1.01 slam-dunk IMO.
They were evens. Evens to hold Stoke. I mean, heavens to betsy. The crisis of confidence in Labour is meaningful regardless of results.
For the record 'PlatoSaid' predicted a narrow Hillary Clinton win at Potus 2016. And nobody is accusing the account of being a bot. The user(s) is/are extremely skilled at extreme satire. Hats off!
If she upsets you so much, why not take your own advice and ignore.
I'm applauding the account!
No, you are attempting to close down any debate on Trump that does not fit your narrative.
As I showed below, Plato's 'facts' are often wrong. If 'closing down the debate' means correcting falsehoods, then perhaps we should have more debates closed down.
Just for the records its worth noting that the neutrality of snopes is starting to look a bit shaky, specifically they are refusing to comment on its assessment process, the people involved etc, and largely responds to any requests for details about their inner workings as, in effect, "its a secret"
I think that the whole US establishment are reeling after the Trump victory. This includes Democrats, Republicans, CIA, FBI and other state institutions, and the lobbying/media. The cosy club that they've existed within has been thrown into turmoil and they don't know how to react.
I don't know if Trump will be a good or bad President but the US political establishment will have a very uncomfortable 4 years and if Trump is anywhere near successful, it could be 8 years!
I just hope that some of the deep seated corruption is rooted out and removed and some of the pork barrel politics is exposed for what it is.
Deep seated corruption and pork barrel politics is just begining. The US has copied Russias kleptocracy with Trump.
I see no evidence that Trump will do this rooting out. We were promised swamp draining and then he puts half of Goldman Sachs into his Cabinet. Yeh right - Wall Street is really gonna get it in the neck.
You missed his announcement of the death of Dodd-Frank obviously. The marriage of Washington and Wall Street is headed for divorce.
That makes no sense.
US banks hate Dodd-Frank, partly because it is excessively rule bound, and partly because it prevents retail banks from offering lucrative investment banking services.
This last part is very important: a major cause of the 2008 Global Financial Crisis was because retail banks were able to use implicit government guarantees to lever up and trade. (Which was fabulous while asset prices were rising, but turned out to be a complete disaster when they went the other way.)
The Trump tweet would seem to suggest that there will be a straight repeal of Dodd-Frank. If that were to happen, and US retail banks were to allowed to trade with their customers' money, that would be good for US banks' profits in the near-term, but probably not good for world financial stability in the long run. Dodd-Frank, for all its flaws, attempted to stop banks from excessive gambling. I hope it will be replaced and not simply repealed.
The conversations that I've been briefed on (so only a very partial view) was that there are specific clauses/parts of the law that are of concern which are being addressed.
General comment that I've made before - PB is at its least interesting when it's full of anonymous posters criticising other anonymous posters. It just encourages trolling.
On Stoke, just to play devil's advocate - Trump is evidence for the theory that there's no publicity that is bad publicity. Nuttall is now certainly the best-known candidate in Stoke: indeed, some Labour literature is so obsessed with him that you might at a casual glance think he was the Labour candidate. Possibly some voters will feel hey, he's stirring people up, that's what we need?
I do think Labour will hold it. But it's not a 1.01 slam-dunk IMO.
Leave won after an ugly, leave supporting (I think its fair to assume) man murdered a pretty, young Remainer Mother. I cant see that Nuttall's trials and tribulations are more harmful to his cause than that was to Leaves.
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
What I find odd is the lies that were told about there being no such contacts, lies that according to the NYT article the White House is still standing by. This puts what might have been completely proper discussions into a different context, especially when the Russians stand accused of interfering in the election process. To say that the Trump administration was not handling this well would be an understatement. Their lack of political and public life experience means they are making mistakes that are going to cause them problems.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Obviously, though, it was absolutely fine for the head of the FBI to scupper Hillary Clinton just a few weeks before the presidential election. And as for voter suppression. That's not a problem at all.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
Is "PlatoSaid" a person ?
Plato is a long term poster here, a former POTY and has attended many PB meets. That makes her more real IMHO, than a poster whose never been seen afaik and changes their PB handle more often than a Brexiteers changes their underpants.
If Plato was POTY on PB then the site is more barking than I thought it was! I'm sorry but most of what she posts is alt-right conspiracy drivel that could be debunked in minutes (as JJ did on the plutonium nonsense) except I doubt many people can be bothered.
This is interesting, not so much for Holocaust denial/Irving thing which is creepy but open to interpretation, rather Nuttalls's reaction at the end. His modus operandi started early it seems.
' My student; the anti-Semite
...I met Nuttall to discuss what he had written and he gave a tearful denial, saying that his girlfriend had downloaded the references to Irving’s book from the internet, blaming her rather than his own judgment. He accepted that the words could be construed as having an unpleasant, even racist meaning. But he denied that this had been his intention. He seemed shocked to be challenged about anything – like smug, arrogant, people everywhere he was most comfortable in a small bubble where no-one could disagree with him.'
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
What I find odd is the lies that were told about there being no such contacts, lies that according to the NYT article the White House is still standing by. This puts what might have been completely proper discussions into a different context, especially when the Russians stand accused of interfering in the election process. To say that the Trump administration was not handling this well would be an understatement. Their lack of political and public life experience means they are making mistakes that are going to cause them problems.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Obviously, though, it was absolutely fine for the head of the FBI to scupper Hillary Clinton just a few weeks before the presidential election. And as for voter suppression. That's not a problem at all.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
Is "PlatoSaid" a person ?
Plato is a long term poster here, a former POTY and has attended many PB meets. That makes her more real IMHO, than a poster whose never been seen afaik and changes their PB handle more often than a Brexiteers changes their underpants.
If Plato was POTY on PB then the site is more barking than I thought it was! I'm sorry but most of what she posts is alt-right conspiracy drivel that could be debunked in minutes (as JJ did on the plutonium nonsense) except I doubt many people can be bothered.
The young'uns don't remember a time before Plato backed Trump, I see.
BBC - UK unemployment fell by 7,000 to 1.6 million in three months to December, while average earnings rose 2.6%, figures show.
Despite Brexit..?
A tribute to George Osborne's magnificent stewardship of the economy.
He didn't realise how Brexit proof he made the economy.
Huzzah for George.
When the history books are written, I'm sure a whole paragraph will be dedicated to George.
In the footnotes.
Titled 'How to master strategize yourself onto the back benches'
Osborne is only on the backbench because of one thing. His strategy didn't take account of Dave not listening to his advice and instead calling a EU referendum. Osborne said it was a "crazy idea" according to accounts.
And yet, he claimed to be Eurosceptic. Dozy, dishonest twat more like,
It is perfectly possible to be a eurosceptic remainer, indeed virtually all remainers were suggesting some changes in the direction of travel of the EU.
Incidentally, and following up my own post, there's often a problem with the sniff-test when politicians do deals after they've left power. The Clintons' greed after he left power sowed the seed of both her losses - in 2008 and 2016.
General comment that I've made before - PB is at its least interesting when it's full of anonymous posters criticising other anonymous posters. It just encourages trolling.
On Stoke, just to play devil's advocate - Trump is evidence for the theory that there's no publicity that is bad publicity. Nuttall is now certainly the best-known candidate in Stoke: indeed, some Labour literature is so obsessed with him that you might at a casual glance think he was the Labour candidate. Possibly some voters will feel hey, he's stirring people up, that's what we need?
I do think Labour will hold it. But it's not a 1.01 slam-dunk IMO.
If the idea is to send Labour a message that they are fed up then voting UKIP in a by election is a great way of doing it...
General comment that I've made before - PB is at its least interesting when it's full of anonymous posters criticising other anonymous posters. It just encourages trolling.
On Stoke, just to play devil's advocate - Trump is evidence for the theory that there's no publicity that is bad publicity. Nuttall is now certainly the best-known candidate in Stoke: indeed, some Labour literature is so obsessed with him that you might at a casual glance think he was the Labour candidate. Possibly some voters will feel hey, he's stirring people up, that's what we need?
I do think Labour will hold it. But it's not a 1.01 slam-dunk IMO.
If the idea is to send Labour a message that they are fed up then voting UKIP in a by election is a great way of doing it...
People in Stoke have already shown they want change, the referendum result proves that
I think that the whole US establishment are reeling after the Trump victory. This includes Democrats, Republicans, CIA, FBI and other state institutions, and the lobbying/media. The cosy club that they've existed within has been thrown into turmoil and they don't know how to react.
I don't know if Trump will be a good or bad President but the US political establishment will have a very uncomfortable 4 years and if Trump is anywhere near successful, it could be 8 years!
I just hope that some of the deep seated corruption is rooted out and removed and some of the pork barrel politics is exposed for what it is.
Deep seated corruption and pork barrel politics is just begining. The US has copied Russias kleptocracy with Trump.
I see no evidence that Trump will do this rooting out. We were promised swamp draining and then he puts half of Goldman Sachs into his Cabinet. Yeh right - Wall Street is really gonna get it in the neck.
You missed his announcement of the death of Dodd-Frank obviously. The marriage of Washington and Wall Street is headed for divorce.
That makes no sense.
US banks hate Dodd-Frank, partly because it is excessively rule bound, and partly because it prevents retail banks from offering lucrative investment banking services.
This last part is very important: a major cause of the 2008 Global Financial Crisis was because retail banks were able to use implicit government guarantees to lever up and trade. (Which was fabulous while asset prices were rising, but turned out to be a complete disaster when they went the other way.)
The Trump tweet would seem to suggest that there will be a straight repeal of Dodd-Frank. If that were to happen, and US retail banks were to allowed to trade with their customers' money, that would be good for US banks' profits in the near-term, but probably not good for world financial stability in the long run. Dodd-Frank, for all its flaws, attempted to stop banks from excessive gambling. I hope it will be replaced and not simply repealed.
The conversations that I've been briefed on (so only a very partial view) was that there are specific clauses/parts of the law that are of concern which are being addressed.
Financial regulation should be distilled to: minimum 12% tier one equity capital now, going to 15% by 2022; separation of investment and retail banking.
Religious intolerance comes in more than one package. There are plenty of Christian ones as well....
I can't recollect reading much about 'Radical Christianity' in the news TBH, What did WLSC say about Islam again?
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."
People have been arrested before in the UK for quotying Churchill.
This is interesting, not so much for Holocaust denial/Irving thing which is creepy but open to interpretation, rather Nuttalls's reaction at the end. His modus operandi started early it seems.
' My student; the anti-Semite
...I met Nuttall to discuss what he had written and he gave a tearful denial, saying that his girlfriend had downloaded the references to Irving’s book from the internet, blaming her rather than his own judgment. He accepted that the words could be construed as having an unpleasant, even racist meaning. But he denied that this had been his intention. He seemed shocked to be challenged about anything – like smug, arrogant, people everywhere he was most comfortable in a small bubble where no-one could disagree with him.'
The dates in that don't stack up, the Irving libel trial was decided in April 2000 yet he's talking about it in December 1999.
In early December 1999, Nuttall’s cohort were set a standard essay on the causes of the Holocaust. I forget the exact title, but the question was something like whether the Final Solution was principally caused by Hitler’s anti-Semitism or by other factors related to the German economy or state. To my surprise, Nuttall’s answer worked in two footnotes to different books by David Irving. I wasn’t expecting this, because Irving wasn’t on the course reading list: this was after his libel trial and historians regarded Irving as an unpleasant, racist crank who was beyond the
General comment that I've made before - PB is at its least interesting when it's full of anonymous posters criticising other anonymous posters. It just encourages trolling.
On Stoke, just to play devil's advocate - Trump is evidence for the theory that there's no publicity that is bad publicity. Nuttall is now certainly the best-known candidate in Stoke: indeed, some Labour literature is so obsessed with him that you might at a casual glance think he was the Labour candidate. Possibly some voters will feel hey, he's stirring people up, that's what we need?
I do think Labour will hold it. But it's not a 1.01 slam-dunk IMO.
If the idea is to send Labour a message that they are fed up then voting UKIP in a by election is a great way of doing it...
People in Stoke have already shown they want change, the referendum result proves that
It may well show that people want out of the EU, UKIP... not so much.
For the record 'PlatoSaid' predicted a narrow Hillary Clinton win at Potus 2016. And nobody is accusing the account of being a bot. The user(s) is/are extremely skilled at extreme satire. Hats off!
If she upsets you so much, why not take your own advice and ignore.
I'm applauding the account!
No, you are attempting to close down any debate on Trump that does not fit your narrative.
As I showed below, Plato's 'facts' are often wrong. If 'closing down the debate' means correcting falsehoods, then perhaps we should have more debates closed down.
Just for the records its worth noting that the neutrality of snopes is starting to look a bit shaky, specifically they are refusing to comment on its assessment process, the people involved etc, and largely responds to any requests for details about their inner workings as, in effect, "its a secret"
Yes, you need to be careful with fact-checking sites. But :
1) There are plenty of other links I could have provided.
2) The main issue is that Plato confused 'uranium ore' with 'plutonium'. As anyone with a scintilla of knowledge about this knows, there is a world of difference. Needless to say, what she wrote would have much more impact if true than the reality. Plutonium is nasty stuff. Uranium ore generally is not, although it's not a good idea to ingest it.
Wasn't doubting you at all, I was just observing that quite a few people on here have been brandishing snopes links to support their cases at a time when snopes are starting to look at best furtive, if not downright secretive when questioned about their fact checking processes. Might be time to look at other sites...
Slightly scary in that regard this opaque and evasive operation is likely to be the sole arbiter of what is true and what is fake news on Facebook shortly.
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
What I find odd is the lies that were told about there being no such contacts, lies that according to the NYT article the White House is still standing by. This puts what might have been completely proper discussions into a different context, especially when the Russians stand accused of interfering in the election process. To say that the Trump administration was not handling this well would be an understatement. Their lack of political and public life experience means they are making mistakes that are going to cause them problems.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Obviously, though, it was absolutely fine for the head of the FBI to scupper Hillary Clinton just a few weeks before the presidential election. And as for voter suppression. That's not a problem at all.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
Is "PlatoSaid" a person ?
Plato is a long term poster here, a former POTY and has attended many PB meets. That makes her more real IMHO, than a poster whose never been seen afaik and changes their PB handle more often than a Brexiteers changes their underpants.
If Plato was POTY on PB then the site is more barking than I thought it was! I'm sorry but most of what she posts is alt-right conspiracy drivel that could be debunked in minutes (as JJ did on the plutonium nonsense) except I doubt many people can be bothered.
Yes, she was POTY when I first discovered this site. Back then her posts were worthwhile.
For the record 'PlatoSaid' predicted a narrow Hillary Clinton win at Potus 2016. And nobody is accusing the account of being a bot. The user(s) is/are extremely skilled at extreme satire. Hats off!
If she upsets you so much, why not take your own advice and ignore.
I'm applauding the account!
No, you are attempting to close down any debate on Trump that does not fit your narrative.
As I showed below, Plato's 'facts' are often wrong. If 'closing down the debate' means correcting falsehoods, then perhaps we should have more debates closed down.
Just for the records its worth noting that the neutrality of snopes is starting to look a bit shaky, specifically they are refusing to comment on its assessment process, the people involved etc, and largely responds to any requests for details about their inner workings as, in effect, "its a secret"
After 2,500 words, does Forbes actually get to the point and if so, what is it?
This creates a deeply unsettling environment in which when one tries to fact check the fact checker, the answer is the equivalent of “its secret.” Moreover, David’s responses regarding the hiring of strongly partisan fact checkers and his lack of response on screening and assessment protocols present a deeply troubling picture of a secretive black box that acts as ultimate arbitrator of truth, yet reveals little of its inner workings.
General comment that I've made before - PB is at its least interesting when it's full of anonymous posters criticising other anonymous posters. It just encourages trolling.
On Stoke, just to play devil's advocate - Trump is evidence for the theory that there's no publicity that is bad publicity. Nuttall is now certainly the best-known candidate in Stoke: indeed, some Labour literature is so obsessed with him that you might at a casual glance think he was the Labour candidate. Possibly some voters will feel hey, he's stirring people up, that's what we need?
I do think Labour will hold it. But it's not a 1.01 slam-dunk IMO.
If the idea is to send Labour a message that they are fed up then voting UKIP in a by election is a great way of doing it...
People in Stoke have already shown they want change, the referendum result proves that
It may well show that people want out of the EU, UKIP... not so much.
Backing Tories/UKIP as a double is putting a lot of faith in a number of assumptions/speculation and moving parts whereas laying it just assumes status quo bias.
Not that Sherlock/Cumberbatch won, but this line [which I recall from the programme, when I used to watch it]:
"He continued: "Who would have thought a high-functioning sociopath could be so popular... all over the world?""
Psychopaths/sociopaths, as well as sometimes being a bit murdery, are defined by things like glib charm and high intelligence. They make fantastic leaders. They're not autistic. They're high-functioning by nature.
Saying 'high-functioning psychopath/sociopath*' is like saying 'mathematically talented savant'.
*Debate rages as to whether there's a difference. Some say psychopaths are capable of empathy and can switch it on and off, whereas sociopaths are incapable.
Top of the article also misses off the psychopath's supreme capacity for deceit and elevated average intelligence.
Good morning all. Reddit occasionally has AMAs (Ask Me Anything) with sociopaths. They're interesting reading, though, of course, the provenance is dodgy.
Most psychopaths suffer from poor impulse control. Hannibal Lecter, iconic as he is, is an outlier.
For the record 'PlatoSaid' predicted a narrow Hillary Clinton win at Potus 2016. And nobody is accusing the account of being a bot. The user(s) is/are extremely skilled at extreme satire. Hats off!
If she upsets you so much, why not take your own advice and ignore.
I'm applauding the account!
No, you are attempting to close down any debate on Trump that does not fit your narrative.
As I showed below, Plato's 'facts' are often wrong. If 'closing down the debate' means correcting falsehoods, then perhaps we should have more debates closed down.
Just for the records its worth noting that the neutrality of snopes is starting to look a bit shaky, specifically they are refusing to comment on its assessment process, the people involved etc, and largely responds to any requests for details about their inner workings as, in effect, "its a secret"
After 2,500 words, does Forbes actually get to the point and if so, what is it?
This creates a deeply unsettling environment in which when one tries to fact check the fact checker, the answer is the equivalent of “its secret.” Moreover, David’s responses regarding the hiring of strongly partisan fact checkers and his lack of response on screening and assessment protocols present a deeply troubling picture of a secretive black box that acts as ultimate arbitrator of truth, yet reveals little of its inner workings.
I think it's overstated. Or at least from my perspective it is given I check things like whether Frozen is in fact the most cosplayed role ever.
BBC - UK unemployment fell by 7,000 to 1.6 million in three months to December, while average earnings rose 2.6%, figures show.
Despite Brexit..?
A tribute to George Osborne's magnificent stewardship of the economy.
He didn't realise how Brexit proof he made the economy.
Huzzah for George.
When the history books are written, I'm sure a whole paragraph will be dedicated to George.
In the footnotes.
Titled 'How to master strategize yourself onto the back benches'
Osborne is only on the backbench because of one thing. His strategy didn't take account of Dave not listening to his advice and instead calling a EU referendum. Osborne said it was a "crazy idea" according to accounts.
And yet, he claimed to be Eurosceptic. Dozy, dishonest twat more like,
It is perfectly possible to be a eurosceptic remainer, indeed virtually all remainers were suggesting some changes in the direction of travel of the EU.
How does one remain a eurosceptic remainder after changes have been suggested by various people over the last four decades and almost uniformly been told to piss off unless their suggestion was squarely in the realm of "more Europe" ?
For the record 'PlatoSaid' predicted a narrow Hillary Clinton win at Potus 2016. And nobody is accusing the account of being a bot. The user(s) is/are extremely skilled at extreme satire. Hats off!
If she upsets you so much, why not take your own advice and ignore.
I'm applauding the account!
No, you are attempting to close down any debate on Trump that does not fit your narrative.
As I showed below, Plato's 'facts' are often wrong. If 'closing down the debate' means correcting falsehoods, then perhaps we should have more debates closed down.
Just for the records its worth noting that the neutrality of snopes is starting to look a bit shaky, specifically they are refusing to comment on its assessment process, the people involved etc, and largely responds to any requests for details about their inner workings as, in effect, "its a secret"
After 2,500 words, does Forbes actually get to the point and if so, what is it?
This creates a deeply unsettling environment in which when one tries to fact check the fact checker, the answer is the equivalent of “its secret.” Moreover, David’s responses regarding the hiring of strongly partisan fact checkers and his lack of response on screening and assessment protocols present a deeply troubling picture of a secretive black box that acts as ultimate arbitrator of truth, yet reveals little of its inner workings.
I think it's overstated. Or at least from my perspective it is given I check things like whether Frozen is in fact the most cosplayed role ever.
Princess Leia in a gold bikini and Harley Quin are the most cosplayed roles ever.
General comment that I've made before - PB is at its least interesting when it's full of anonymous posters criticising other anonymous posters. It just encourages trolling.
On Stoke, just to play devil's advocate - Trump is evidence for the theory that there's no publicity that is bad publicity. Nuttall is now certainly the best-known candidate in Stoke: indeed, some Labour literature is so obsessed with him that you might at a casual glance think he was the Labour candidate. Possibly some voters will feel hey, he's stirring people up, that's what we need?
I do think Labour will hold it. But it's not a 1.01 slam-dunk IMO.
If the idea is to send Labour a message that they are fed up then voting UKIP in a by election is a great way of doing it...
People in Stoke have already shown they want change, the referendum result proves that
It may well show that people want out of the EU, UKIP... not so much.
It could be that yeah. Now we have voted to Leave they might think it is safe to vote Labour again
This is interesting, not so much for Holocaust denial/Irving thing which is creepy but open to interpretation, rather Nuttalls's reaction at the end. His modus operandi started early it seems.
' My student; the anti-Semite
...I met Nuttall to discuss what he had written and he gave a tearful denial, saying that his girlfriend had downloaded the references to Irving’s book from the internet, blaming her rather than his own judgment. He accepted that the words could be construed as having an unpleasant, even racist meaning. But he denied that this had been his intention. He seemed shocked to be challenged about anything – like smug, arrogant, people everywhere he was most comfortable in a small bubble where no-one could disagree with him.'
The dates in that don't stack up, the Irving libel trial was decided in April 2000 yet he's talking about it in December 1999.
In early December 1999, Nuttall’s cohort were set a standard essay on the causes of the Holocaust. I forget the exact title, but the question was something like whether the Final Solution was principally caused by Hitler’s anti-Semitism or by other factors related to the German economy or state. To my surprise, Nuttall’s answer worked in two footnotes to different books by David Irving. I wasn’t expecting this, because Irving wasn’t on the course reading list: this was after his libel trial and historians regarded Irving as an unpleasant, racist crank who was beyond the
Perhaps the author's girlfriend researched the dates..
I am not sure what is wrong with Trump staff having contact with Russian officials during the election campaign. I have little doubt that UK embassy and FO staff will have been working hard to get to know them too and been in regular contact trying to ascertain what their policy positions were evolving into and seeking to guide them in a way favourable to us.
The NYT isn't exactly impartial either - the agendas of most outlets are plain as day.
When members of your own Transition team inc Obama legacy - are spying/selectively leaking your phone calls to discredit you?? And leftist press creating sensational headlines?
It's abominable and sinister Deep State. If we discovered Mi5 was doing this - we'd be appalled
The leftist press!! In the US!!! Sensational headlines. Can you believe it? Democracy is in peril. Such scrutiny should not be allowed.
Obviously, though, it was absolutely fine for the head of the FBI to scupper Hillary Clinton just a few weeks before the presidential election. And as for voter suppression. That's not a problem at all.
Here's a strange notion: what if Trump has taken note of the warnings about Flynn given to him by the DoJ, confidentially and unleaked. weeks ago?
'PlatoSaid' is a spoof poster - this was revealed last week. Best to laugh along or ignore.
What.... the poster who claimed to have watched '"literally hundreds of hours of Jeremy Kyle". All that insight into the complex workings of a Trump voter... A SPOOF?
How many of the last major political betting events have you called right, Rogerdamus? This is politicalbetting, after all, not politicalhandwringing.
Posters have been making money betting against my predictions for years. I was the one who cemented Mike's 50/1 on Obama by saying 'Don't touch it with a bargepole'
So not a dissimilar result, just with more variations. And of course I suspect much less money wagered!
Similar. We can comiserate when we both lose money.
I've greened up on the individual by elections so have taken a little more risk on this market. Not sure why I've ended up so cautious on Lab/UKIP.... If labour lse Stoke I suspect they won't win Copeland....
Con/UKIP -62 Lab/UKIP +25 Con/Lab +24 Lab/Lab +36 All other -8
Andrew Neil @afneil 8 mins8 minutes ago In year to end-2016, UK nationals working in UK increased by 70,000 to 28.44m; non-UK nationals working in UK increased by 233,000 to 3.48m
Andrew Neil @afneil 8 mins8 minutes ago In year to end-2016, UK nationals working in UK increased by 70,000 to 28.44m; non-UK nationals working in UK increased by 233,000 to 3.48m
The reasons for Brexit in a nutshell.
Yes, Leavers would rather see fewer Brits in work so long as there were fewer foreigners in work too.
General comment that I've made before - PB is at its least interesting when it's full of anonymous posters criticising other anonymous posters. It just encourages trolling.
On Stoke, just to play devil's advocate - Trump is evidence for the theory that there's no publicity that is bad publicity. Nuttall is now certainly the best-known candidate in Stoke: indeed, some Labour literature is so obsessed with him that you might at a casual glance think he was the Labour candidate. Possibly some voters will feel hey, he's stirring people up, that's what we need?
I do think Labour will hold it. But it's not a 1.01 slam-dunk IMO.
If the idea is to send Labour a message that they are fed up then voting UKIP in a by election is a great way of doing it...
People in Stoke have already shown they want change, the referendum result proves that
It may well show that people want out of the EU, UKIP... not so much.
It could be that yeah. Now we have voted to Leave they might think it is safe to vote Labour again
UKIP are going to be in a holding pattern sitting around 10% for the next couple of years. If BrExit means proper immigration control, no CJEU, no ongoing payments and no customs union, then UKIP will drops to c. 5% and be effective dead. If BrExit means free movement with a job offer and EEA/EFTA in all but name, UKIP will be back in business, with a large slice of voters feeling the government is taking the piss. The infelicity they appear to have having with their leaders probably won't make much difference if they are the only party of "real out" available to soak up the votes of those the feel sold out.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgHlAdSpn7Y
Intriguing.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-38972437
Not that Sherlock/Cumberbatch won, but this line [which I recall from the programme, when I used to watch it]:
"He continued: "Who would have thought a high-functioning sociopath could be so popular... all over the world?""
Psychopaths/sociopaths, as well as sometimes being a bit murdery, are defined by things like glib charm and high intelligence. They make fantastic leaders. They're not autistic. They're high-functioning by nature.
Saying 'high-functioning psychopath/sociopath*' is like saying 'mathematically talented savant'.
*Debate rages as to whether there's a difference. Some say psychopaths are capable of empathy and can switch it on and off, whereas sociopaths are incapable.
Reading up on it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#Sociopathy
Psychopath, my preferred term, does seem better. Psychopaths are born, not made. That's why almost all of them are men.
Top of the article also misses off the psychopath's supreme capacity for deceit and elevated average intelligence.
US banks hate Dodd-Frank, partly because it is excessively rule bound, and partly because it prevents retail banks from offering lucrative investment banking services.
This last part is very important: a major cause of the 2008 Global Financial Crisis was because retail banks were able to use implicit government guarantees to lever up and trade. (Which was fabulous while asset prices were rising, but turned out to be a complete disaster when they went the other way.)
The Trump tweet would seem to suggest that there will be a straight repeal of Dodd-Frank. If that were to happen, and US retail banks were to allowed to trade with their customers' money, that would be good for US banks' profits in the near-term, but probably not good for world financial stability in the long run. Dodd-Frank, for all its flaws, attempted to stop banks from excessive gambling. I hope it will be replaced and not simply repealed.
Police board easyJet Tel Aviv to London flight
Tempers flared when a group of Charedi men reportedly refused to take their seats next to female passengers
https://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/easyjet-1.432766
An unusual new relationship has blossomed on Valentine's Day with a former Labour county councillor – and vocal critic of Jeremy Corbyn – joining the Conservatives.
Leicestershire county councillor Leon Spence has crossed the floor to join the Tories at County Hall with an election looming in May.
http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/former-labour-county-councillor-and-corbyn-critic-joins-the-tories/story-30134928-detail/story.html#02hi02Em6AO5iMuf.99
Humbug to sociopathy.
Despite Brexit..?
Will voters really come out in their droves on a cold February evening?
He didn't realise how Brexit proof he made the economy.
Huzzah for George.
"His Dark Materials follow-ups announced by author Philip Pullman"
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38978023
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2016/02/21/meet-the-man-who-could-win-the-referendum-for-leave/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kalevleetaru/2016/12/22/the-daily-mail-snopes-story-and-fact-checking-the-fact-checkers/
I think the Lib Dems will do well. Might even get close to 20%.
History proved WSC right, I expect the same for George Osborne, CH
You've got me with one of your acronyms.
On Stoke, just to play devil's advocate - Trump is evidence for the theory that there's no publicity that is bad publicity. Nuttall is now certainly the best-known candidate in Stoke: indeed, some Labour literature is so obsessed with him that you might at a casual glance think he was the Labour candidate. Possibly some voters will feel hey, he's stirring people up, that's what we need?
I do think Labour will hold it. But it's not a 1.01 slam-dunk IMO.
1) There are plenty of other links I could have provided.
2) The main issue is that Plato confused 'uranium ore' with 'plutonium'. As anyone with a scintilla of knowledge about this knows, there is a world of difference. Needless to say, what she wrote would have much more impact if true than the reality. Plutonium is nasty stuff. Uranium ore generally is not, although it's not a good idea to ingest it.
Here is wiki on the company involved, to show quite how multinational it is:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranium_One
Turnout will matter, but I think Labour will win the brace.
Dozy, dishonest twat more like,
' My student; the anti-Semite
...I met Nuttall to discuss what he had written and he gave a tearful denial, saying that his girlfriend had downloaded the references to Irving’s book from the internet, blaming her rather than his own judgment. He accepted that the words could be construed as having an unpleasant, even racist meaning. But he denied that this had been his intention. He seemed shocked to be challenged about anything – like smug, arrogant, people everywhere he was most comfortable in a small bubble where no-one could disagree with him.'
http://tinyurl.com/zknktx9
It feels similar to my bets on Clinton between 47 and 50% of popular vote.
I could easily win the bet whilst getting everything else totally wrong.
My book is currently
Lab/Lab +27
Con/Lab +12
Lab/UKIP -9
Con/UKIP -24
So not a dissimilar result, just with more variations. And of course I suspect much less money wagered!
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live.
Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world."
People have been arrested before in the UK for quotying Churchill.
In early December 1999, Nuttall’s cohort were set a standard essay on the causes of the Holocaust. I forget the exact title, but the question was something like whether the Final Solution was principally caused by Hitler’s anti-Semitism or by other factors related to the German economy or state. To my surprise, Nuttall’s answer worked in two footnotes to different books by David Irving. I wasn’t expecting this, because Irving wasn’t on the course reading list: this was after his libel trial and historians regarded Irving as an unpleasant, racist crank who was beyond the
http://www.stokesentinel.co.uk/big-issue-six-stoke-on-trent-leave-voters-reveal-their-reasons-for-exiting-the-eu/story-29454587-detail/story.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38977784
Soames and Davis should be ashamed of themselves.
Slightly scary in that regard this opaque and evasive operation is likely to be the sole arbiter of what is true and what is fake news on Facebook shortly.
Most psychopaths suffer from poor impulse control. Hannibal Lecter, iconic as he is, is an outlier.
Meanwhile, my old mate Dick Newby is rattling his sabre:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/feb/14/david-davis-brexit-bill-parliamentary-ping-pong-article-50-sweden
At least he openly admits to being undemocratic!
Also, on another matter we've discussed, this is an interesting article on the proposed US Border Tax Adjustment:
http://www.hl.co.uk/news/2017/2/15/donald-trump-and-the-tax-plans-that-threaten-to-split-the-us
I've greened up on the individual by elections so have taken a little more risk on this market.
Not sure why I've ended up so cautious on Lab/UKIP.... If labour lse Stoke I suspect they won't win Copeland....
Con/UKIP -62
Lab/UKIP +25
Con/Lab +24
Lab/Lab +36
All other -8
In year to end-2016, UK nationals working in UK increased by 70,000 to 28.44m; non-UK nationals working in UK increased by 233,000 to 3.48m
The reasons for Brexit in a nutshell.