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Cartoon by Helen Cochrane and Nicholas Leonard.

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Mortimer

Frost.

SimonStClare

These cartoons by Helen Cochrane and Nicholas Leonard are piss poor.

Charles

Aren't political cartoons supposed to be witty, amusing, thought provoking or some combination of all three?

@TheScreamingEagles answer to your question is Tom Brown's in Eton.

FrancisUrquhart

Charles said:

Aren't political cartoons supposed to be witty, amusing, thought provoking or some combination of all three?

@TheScreamingEagles answer to your question is Tom Brown's in Eton.

Steve Bell long career would suggest otherwise...

TheScreamingEagles

Charles said:

Aren't political cartoons supposed to be witty, amusing, thought provoking or some combination of all three?

@TheScreamingEagles answer to your question is Tom Brown's in Eton.

Cheers.

Sunil_Prasannan

BRING BACK MARF

Sean_F

SeanT said:

As for the BAFTAs

Let' em rend their haute couture garments, and gnash their expensive Hollywood teeth

WE WON.

Celebrity tears are a delight to witness.

TwistedFireStopper

I hope you ain't paying for these cartoons.

AnneJGP

Charles said:

Aren't political cartoons supposed to be witty, amusing, thought provoking or some combination of all three?

@TheScreamingEagles answer to your question is Tom Brown's in Eton.

Apparently not. Marf explained to us a few years ago that for a political cartoon to make people laugh was a bit of a no-no.

But I still prefer cartoons that do make me laugh.

TOPPING

Nicole Kidman looks very weird indeed

Beverley_C

TOPPING said:

Nicole Kidman looks very weird indeed

It is meant to be Theresa May....

surbiton

Theresa May is not that pretty!

Sunil_Prasannan

surbiton said:

Theresa May is not that pretty!

Male chauvinist pig!

bigjohnowls

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4fPexlWQAA8fi7.jpg:large

Jobabob

Surely Jezza should be reflected back at her in the mirror

Pulpstar

Was Dev Patel the skinny lad in "Skins" ?

He was ! Clearly lost his razor since then

Charles

AnneJGP said:

Charles said:

Aren't political cartoons supposed to be witty, amusing, thought provoking or some combination of all three?

@TheScreamingEagles answer to your question is Tom Brown's in Eton.

Apparently not. Marf explained to us a few years ago that for a political cartoon to make people laugh was a bit of a no-no.

But I still prefer cartoons that do make me laugh.

Witty or amusing would for me be a wry smile rather than laugh-inducing

TheScreamingEagles

Pulpstar said:

Was Dev Patel the skinny lad in "Skins" ?

Yup, also the chap in Slumdog Millionaire

MarqueeMark

The Mirror replies:

"Boris...."

Sunil_Prasannan

Beverley_C said:

FPT

Yes, thanks, enjoyed my jaunt in the northwest - and Leeds and Skipton

Goupillon

Voodoo poll in Whitehaven News currently has LD candidate in Copeland Rebecca Hanson on 42.5% after 480 votes cast. Both Conservative and Labour candidates on about 17% and UKIP nowhere.

http://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/home?p_p_id=Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S&p_p_lifecycle=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-2&p_p_col_count=2&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_javax.portlet.action=doVote&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_arg_voting_uuid=bbf166dc-7f9e-4eaf-b451-1bac9195a637

Jobabob

bigjohnowls said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4fPexlWQAA8fi7.jpg:large

Be interesting to hear from the kippers on here, what they think about this

Sunil_Prasannan

Goupillon said:

Voodoo poll in Whitehaven News currently has LD candidate in Copeland Rebecca Hanson on 42.5% after 480 votes cast. Both Conservative and Labour candidates on about 17% and UKIP nowhere.

Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw wot went to live in Haiti?

He became a Voodoo Pole!

Pulpstar

Goupillon said:

Voodoo poll in Whitehaven News currently has LD candidate in Copeland Rebecca Hanson on 42.5% after 480 votes cast. Both Conservative and Labour candidates on about 17% and UKIP nowhere.

http://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/home?p_p_id=Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S&p_p_lifecycle=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-2&p_p_col_count=2&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_javax.portlet.action=doVote&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_arg_voting_uuid=bbf166dc-7f9e-4eaf-b451-1bac9195a637

There's no attempt to get anyone to the top of that poll by any political facebook group.
Honestly.

WINNING HERE

bigjohnowls

Jobabob said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4fPexlWQAA8fi7.jpg:large

Be interesting to hear from the kippers on here, what they think about this

Indeed. This has just been retweeted by Ukip's Immigration Spokesman and party treasurer

AnneJGP

Charles said:

AnneJGP said:

Charles said:

Aren't political cartoons supposed to be witty, amusing, thought provoking or some combination of all three?

@TheScreamingEagles answer to your question is Tom Brown's in Eton.

Apparently not. Marf explained to us a few years ago that for a political cartoon to make people laugh was a bit of a no-no.

But I still prefer cartoons that do make me laugh.

Witty or amusing would for me be a wry smile rather than laugh-inducing

True.

surbiton

Goupillon said:

Voodoo poll in Whitehaven News currently has LD candidate in Copeland Rebecca Hanson on 42.5% after 480 votes cast. Both Conservative and Labour candidates on about 17% and UKIP nowhere.

http://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/home?p_p_id=Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S&p_p_lifecycle=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-2&p_p_col_count=2&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_javax.portlet.action=doVote&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_arg_voting_uuid=bbf166dc-7f9e-4eaf-b451-1bac9195a637

Why should I be surprised ?

bigjohnowls

Peter Oborne
‏@OborneTweets

Horribly reminiscent of notorious racist Smethwick by-election in 1964

bigjohnowls

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Goupillon said:

Voodoo poll in Whitehaven News currently has LD candidate in Copeland Rebecca Hanson on 42.5% after 480 votes cast. Both Conservative and Labour candidates on about 17% and UKIP nowhere.

Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw wot went to live in Haiti?

He became a Voodoo Pole!

Should be odds on surely

dr_spyn

A low blow, how far it shifts votes remains to be seen.

PClipp

MarqueeMark said:

The Mirror replies:

"Boris...."

Wicked, Mr Mark!!!

HYUFD

Goupillon said:

Voodoo poll in Whitehaven News currently has LD candidate in Copeland Rebecca Hanson on 42.5% after 480 votes cast. Both Conservative and Labour candidates on about 17% and UKIP nowhere.

http://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/home?p_p_id=Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S&p_p_lifecycle=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-2&p_p_col_count=2&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_javax.portlet.action=doVote&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_arg_voting_uuid=bbf166dc-7f9e-4eaf-b451-1bac9195a637

Having phoned in Copeland 3 times already I can definitely say it will be between the Tories and Labour, UKIP probably still third and almost as many Greens and Independent voters as LDs

PClipp

Goupillon said:

Voodoo poll in Whitehaven News currently has LD candidate in Copeland Rebecca Hanson on 42.5% after 480 votes cast. Both Conservative and Labour candidates on about 17% and UKIP nowhere.

http://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/home?p_p_id=Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S&p_p_lifecycle=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-2&p_p_col_count=2&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_javax.portlet.action=doVote&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_arg_voting_uuid=bbf166dc-7f9e-4eaf-b451-1bac9195a637

Just goes to show that neither Labour nor the Tories are really trying in Copeland, and UKIP even less than them!

Big_G_NorthWales

PClipp said:

Goupillon said:

Voodoo poll in Whitehaven News currently has LD candidate in Copeland Rebecca Hanson on 42.5% after 480 votes cast. Both Conservative and Labour candidates on about 17% and UKIP nowhere.

http://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/home?p_p_id=Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S&p_p_lifecycle=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-2&p_p_col_count=2&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_javax.portlet.action=doVote&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_arg_voting_uuid=bbf166dc-7f9e-4eaf-b451-1bac9195a637

Just goes to show that neither Labour nor the Tories are really trying in Copeland, and UKIP even less than them!

Theresa May visiting this week

HYUFD

PClipp said:

Goupillon said:

Voodoo poll in Whitehaven News currently has LD candidate in Copeland Rebecca Hanson on 42.5% after 480 votes cast. Both Conservative and Labour candidates on about 17% and UKIP nowhere.

http://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/home?p_p_id=Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S&p_p_lifecycle=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-2&p_p_col_count=2&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_javax.portlet.action=doVote&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_arg_voting_uuid=bbf166dc-7f9e-4eaf-b451-1bac9195a637

Just goes to show that neither Labour nor the Tories are really trying in Copeland, and UKIP even less than them!

The Tories have a phonebank at CCHQ now open 7 days a week and regional banks too, lots of Tory activists have been to Copeland and Labour is also sending a number of activists there too, although not quite as many as Stoke. UKIP are not really bothering but focusing on Stoke and I believe the LD phonebank is focusing on the latter too

Charles

bigjohnowls said:

Jobabob said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4fPexlWQAA8fi7.jpg:large

Be interesting to hear from the kippers on here, what they think about this

Indeed. This has just been retweeted by Ukip's Immigration Spokesman and party treasurer

Ugly cartoon, both visually and in sentiment

MarqueeMark

PClipp said:

Goupillon said:

Voodoo poll in Whitehaven News currently has LD candidate in Copeland Rebecca Hanson on 42.5% after 480 votes cast. Both Conservative and Labour candidates on about 17% and UKIP nowhere.

http://www.whitehavennews.co.uk/home?p_p_id=Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S&p_p_lifecycle=1&p_p_state=normal&p_p_mode=view&p_p_col_id=column-2&p_p_col_count=2&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_javax.portlet.action=doVote&_Voting_WAR_portalsuite_INSTANCE_vo0iQWfFWj2S_arg_voting_uuid=bbf166dc-7f9e-4eaf-b451-1bac9195a637

Just goes to show that neither Labour nor the Tories are really trying in Copeland, and UKIP even less than them!

If the LibDems now don't win Copeland by 25%, it will be a T-E-R-R-I-B-L-E night for them....

Essexit

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Goupillon said:

Voodoo poll in Whitehaven News currently has LD candidate in Copeland Rebecca Hanson on 42.5% after 480 votes cast. Both Conservative and Labour candidates on about 17% and UKIP nowhere.

Did you hear about the psephologist from Warsaw wot went to live in Haiti?

He became a Voodoo Pole!

XD

Tykejohnno

Bafta's like a bloody wake,wonder why ;-)

dixiedean

Jobabob said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4fPexlWQAA8fi7.jpg:large

Be interesting to hear from the kippers on here, what they think about this

Tumbleweed after half an hour.

MarqueeMark

Penelope Cruz looking like she's wearing Donald Trump's curtains....

HYUFD

SeanT said:

As for the BAFTAs

Let' em rend their haute couture garments, and gnash their expensive Hollywood teeth

WE WON.

Director of Manchester by the Sea 'Out of every tragedy something good can happen. the morning after the presidential election my daughter woke up in tears but she has since been to 5 protest marches and I am so proud of her!' Peak snowflake?

Pulpstar

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

As for the BAFTAs

Let' em rend their haute couture garments, and gnash their expensive Hollywood teeth

WE WON.

Director of Manchester by the Sea 'Out of every tragedy something good can happen. the morning after the presidential election my daughter woke up in tears but she has since been to 5 protest marches and I am so proud of her!' Peak snowflake?

I frequently visit Manchester, and I can without doubt say I've never been near the sea there.

glw

Tykejohnno said:

Bafta's like a bloody wake,wonder why ;-)

I don't bother watching award shows, what's the point? But this year's Oscars might be worthing tuning in for.

Jonathan

Charles said:

bigjohnowls said:

Jobabob said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4fPexlWQAA8fi7.jpg:large

Be interesting to hear from the kippers on here, what they think about this

Indeed. This has just been retweeted by Ukip's Immigration Spokesman and party treasurer

Ugly cartoon, both visually and in sentiment

Edit. Wrong cartoon. Agreed. Terrible stuff from UKIP.

HYUFD

Pulpstar said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

As for the BAFTAs

Let' em rend their haute couture garments, and gnash their expensive Hollywood teeth

WE WON.

Director of Manchester by the Sea 'Out of every tragedy something good can happen. the morning after the presidential election my daughter woke up in tears but she has since been to 5 protest marches and I am so proud of her!' Peak snowflake?

I frequently visit Manchester, and I can without doubt say I've never been near the sea there.

Believe this one is in Massachusetts

Sunil_Prasannan

Pulpstar said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

As for the BAFTAs

Let' em rend their haute couture garments, and gnash their expensive Hollywood teeth

WE WON.

Director of Manchester by the Sea 'Out of every tragedy something good can happen. the morning after the presidential election my daughter woke up in tears but she has since been to 5 protest marches and I am so proud of her!' Peak snowflake?

I frequently visit Manchester, and I can without doubt say I've never been near the sea there.

I took the train from Manchester Victoria to Southport on Friday - um, does that count?

Richard_Nabavi

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

HYUFD

Tykejohnno said:

Bafta's like a bloody wake,wonder why ;-)

Plenty of Trump, Brexit and UK government bashing so far

RealAleDrinker

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

I think it's a ploy by the right of the party as they know the membership will never elect a woman as leader!

TheScreamingEagles

Pulpstar said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

As for the BAFTAs

Let' em rend their haute couture garments, and gnash their expensive Hollywood teeth

WE WON.

Director of Manchester by the Sea 'Out of every tragedy something good can happen. the morning after the presidential election my daughter woke up in tears but she has since been to 5 protest marches and I am so proud of her!' Peak snowflake?

I frequently visit Manchester, and I can without doubt say I've never been near the sea there.

It's the Manchester in Essex County, Essex County Massachusetts.

TheScreamingEagles

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

dixiedean

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Pulpstar said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

As for the BAFTAs

Let' em rend their haute couture garments, and gnash their expensive Hollywood teeth

WE WON.

Director of Manchester by the Sea 'Out of every tragedy something good can happen. the morning after the presidential election my daughter woke up in tears but she has since been to 5 protest marches and I am so proud of her!' Peak snowflake?

I frequently visit Manchester, and I can without doubt say I've never been near the sea there.

I took the train from Manchester Victoria to Southport on Friday - um, does that count?

How lucky you are to pass through Daisy Hill, Hindley, Ince and Wigan Wallgate. My old stomping ground! Hope you had fun!

Essexit

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

As for the BAFTAs

Let' em rend their haute couture garments, and gnash their expensive Hollywood teeth

WE WON.

Director of Manchester by the Sea 'Out of every tragedy something good can happen. the morning after the presidential election my daughter woke up in tears but she has since been to 5 protest marches and I am so proud of her!' Peak snowflake?

I frequently visit Manchester, and I can without doubt say I've never been near the sea there.

It's the Manchester in Essex County, Essex County Massachusetts.

Wrong, there's no Manchester here

Ishmael_Z

Pulpstar said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

As for the BAFTAs

Let' em rend their haute couture garments, and gnash their expensive Hollywood teeth

WE WON.

Director of Manchester by the Sea 'Out of every tragedy something good can happen. the morning after the presidential election my daughter woke up in tears but she has since been to 5 protest marches and I am so proud of her!' Peak snowflake?

I frequently visit Manchester, and I can without doubt say I've never been near the sea there.

Manchester, Mass. With ours, it's 36 miles down the ship canal.

Richard_Nabavi

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

Jonathan

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

We now look back at Ed's golden era. Who knows we might look back those good old Corbyn days.

Pulpstar

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

Fortunately for Labour they dodged the Owen Smith bullet.

TheScreamingEagles

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

Richard Burgon should be Corbyn's replacement.

FrancisUrquhart

Manchester by sea...Is that the sequel to the road to Wigan pier?

AndyJS

bigjohnowls said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4fPexlWQAA8fi7.jpg:large

Why not just ignore this person, like we would have done 15 years ago?

TheScreamingEagles

AndyJS said:

bigjohnowls said:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C4fPexlWQAA8fi7.jpg:large

Why not just ignore this person, like we would have done 15 years ago?

Because it retweeted by a senior UKIP, their treasurer I believe, and regular parliamentary candidate.

Tykejohnno

HYUFD said:

Tykejohnno said:

Bafta's like a bloody wake,wonder why ;-)

Plenty of Trump, Brexit and UK government bashing so far

This is why I loved ricky Gervais doing these award shows,he showed how out of touch these people were.

Richard_Nabavi

Pulpstar said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

Fortunately for Labour they dodged the Owen Smith bullet.

True, they should be thankful for that.

Jobabob

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

My intel is that it she is the product of a Labour staffer's overactive sense of humour.

Essexit

Emma Stone, mate, Zombieland was good but no-one gives a toss about your take on politics.

HYUFD

Even La La Land 'At times of such division in both our countries and across the world I am glad we can bring people together'

TheScreamingEagles

Essexit said:

Emma Stone, mate, Zombieland was good but no-one gives a toss about your take on politics.

That's a future member of my harem and potential wife you're talking about.

Sunil_Prasannan

dixiedean said:

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Pulpstar said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

As for the BAFTAs

Let' em rend their haute couture garments, and gnash their expensive Hollywood teeth

WE WON.

Director of Manchester by the Sea 'Out of every tragedy something good can happen. the morning after the presidential election my daughter woke up in tears but she has since been to 5 protest marches and I am so proud of her!' Peak snowflake?

I frequently visit Manchester, and I can without doubt say I've never been near the sea there.

I took the train from Manchester Victoria to Southport on Friday - um, does that count?

How lucky you are to pass through Daisy Hill, Hindley, Ince and Wigan Wallgate. My old stomping ground! Hope you had fun!

I even went on the Southport pier, but sadly the battery-electric tram was withdrawn in 2015! I changed trains at Wallgate to fit in the KirKby branch (first visited Kirkby via the Merseyrail route in December).

dixiedean

This is why I loved ricky Gervais doing these award shows,he showed how out of touch these people were.

Ricky Gervais can be irritating, but at his best he is genuinely subversive. (In the true sense of the word ie, to turn from below).

MarqueeMark

Jobabob said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

My intel is that it she is the product of a Labour staffer's overactive sense of humour.

We should be looking for whoever pushed the idea of the Ed Stone. Similar warped sense of humour at work.

glw

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

It is striking just how bare the Labour cupboard is now. If Blair had fallen under the wheels of a bus, you had Brown, Cook, Cunningham, Darling, Straw, Mowlam, Beckett, Blunkett, Dobson and more. Even if you didn't agree with them, they were serious political players who had a degree of plausibility as potential leaders. Nowadays Labour has to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Tykejohnno

HYUFD said:

Even La La Land 'At times of such division in both our countries and across the world I am glad we can bring people together'

Who gives a shit - should be the answer to her,lol

TheScreamingEagles

MarqueeMark said:

Jobabob said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

My intel is that it she is the product of a Labour staffer's overactive sense of humour.

We should be looking for whoever pushed the idea of the Ed Stone. Similar warped sense of humour at work.

That was Torsten Bell

HYUFD

Tykejohnno said:

HYUFD said:

Even La La Land 'At times of such division in both our countries and across the world I am glad we can bring people together'

Who gives a shit - should be the answer to her,lol

I would imagine the viewing public rather less so than the luvvies in the audience, yes

Sunil_Prasannan

Essexit said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Pulpstar said:

HYUFD said:

SeanT said:

As for the BAFTAs

Let' em rend their haute couture garments, and gnash their expensive Hollywood teeth

WE WON.

Director of Manchester by the Sea 'Out of every tragedy something good can happen. the morning after the presidential election my daughter woke up in tears but she has since been to 5 protest marches and I am so proud of her!' Peak snowflake?

I frequently visit Manchester, and I can without doubt say I've never been near the sea there.

It's the Manchester in Essex County, Essex County Massachusetts.

Wrong, there's no Manchester here

We've got Southend, Clacton, Frinton and Walton

Jonathan

glw said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

It is striking just how bare the Labour cupboard is now. If Blair had fallen under the wheels of a bus, you had Brown, Cook, Cunningham, Darling, Straw, Mowlam, Beckett, Blunkett, Dobson and more. Even if you didn't agree with them, they were serious political players who had a degree of plausibility as potential leaders. Nowadays Labour has to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Whereas the Tories have collusses such as Nicki Morgan and , near miss, Angela Leadsom.

dixiedean

glw said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

It is striking just how bare the Labour cupboard is now. If Blair had fallen under the wheels of a bus, you had Brown, Cook, Cunningham, Darling, Straw, Mowlam, Beckett, Blunkett, Dobson and more. Even if you didn't agree with them, they were serious political players who had a degree of plausibility as potential leaders. Nowadays Labour has to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Largely the result of parachuting in candidates. They never really had to fight a battle to be selected. cf Tory a-listers...Zac, McVey and Louise Bagshawe anyone? Fortunately for the Tories it didn't last too long.

HYUFD

Tykejohnno said:

HYUFD said:

Tykejohnno said:

Bafta's like a bloody wake,wonder why ;-)

Plenty of Trump, Brexit and UK government bashing so far

This is why I loved ricky Gervais doing these award shows,he showed how out of touch these people were.

Gervais is left/liberal but at least does not take himself too seriously. La La Land director on the other hand just now 'our language is unique and unites all of humanity in one artform'

MarqueeMark

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

Jobabob said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

My intel is that it she is the product of a Labour staffer's overactive sense of humour.

We should be looking for whoever pushed the idea of the Ed Stone. Similar warped sense of humour at work.

That was Torsten Bell

Have we seen the end of Torsten Bell?

Richard_Nabavi

glw said:

It is striking just how bare the Labour cupboard is now. If Blair had fallen under the wheels of a bus, you had Brown, Cook, Cunningham, Darling, Straw, Mowlam, Beckett, Blunkett, Dobson and more. Even if you didn't agree with them, they were serious political players who had a degree of plausibility as potential leaders. Nowadays Labour has to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Not quite true. There are a number of perfectly plausible figures - Yvette Cooper, Keir Starmer, Hillary Benn, Chuka Ummuna, Stella Creasey, Rachel Reeves, not to mention Ed Balls and Sadiq Khan in the wings. The problem isn't that they have to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices, it's that they want to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

glw

Jonathan said:

Whereas the Tories have collusses such as Nicki Morgan and , near miss, Angela Leadsom.

Just because I didn't put the boot it it doesn't mean I think Tory ranks are overflowing with talent.

My point though is that Labour in 1997 looked formidable, 20 years on it now looks like some kind of end of pier tribute act to a real political party.

Sunil_Prasannan

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

Jobabob said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

My intel is that it she is the product of a Labour staffer's overactive sense of humour.

We should be looking for whoever pushed the idea of the Ed Stone. Similar warped sense of humour at work.

That was Torsten Bell

Have we seen the end of Torsten Bell?

The bell end of Torsten?

TheScreamingEagles

MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

Jobabob said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

My intel is that it she is the product of a Labour staffer's overactive sense of humour.

We should be looking for whoever pushed the idea of the Ed Stone. Similar warped sense of humour at work.

That was Torsten Bell

Have we seen the end of Torsten Bell?

No.

I heard the story of the genesis of the Ed Stone, next PB meet, and I'll share the story.

Jonathan

glw said:

Jonathan said:

Whereas the Tories have collusses such as Nicki Morgan and , near miss, Angela Leadsom.

Just because I didn't put the boot it it doesn't mean I think Tory ranks are overflowing with talent.

My point though is that Labour in 1997 looked formidable, 20 years on it now looks like some kind of end of pier tribute act to a real political party.

20 years is a long time. Things come, things go. It is the way of things and not worth worrying about. In 2037 things will be different again.

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MarqueeMark said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

MarqueeMark said:

Jobabob said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

My intel is that it she is the product of a Labour staffer's overactive sense of humour.

We should be looking for whoever pushed the idea of the Ed Stone. Similar warped sense of humour at work.

That was Torsten Bell

Have we seen the end of Torsten Bell?

Bell End?

Sunil_Prasannan

Jonathan said:

glw said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

It is striking just how bare the Labour cupboard is now. If Blair had fallen under the wheels of a bus, you had Brown, Cook, Cunningham, Darling, Straw, Mowlam, Beckett, Blunkett, Dobson and more. Even if you didn't agree with them, they were serious political players who had a degree of plausibility as potential leaders. Nowadays Labour has to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Whereas the Tories have collusses such as Nicki Morgan and , near miss, Angela Leadsom.

Tories 330
Labour 232

Essexit

glw said:

Jonathan said:

Whereas the Tories have collusses such as Nicki Morgan and , near miss, Angela Leadsom.

Just because I didn't put the boot it it doesn't mean I think Tory ranks are overflowing with talent.

My point though is that Labour in 1997 looked formidable, 20 years on it now looks like some kind of end of pier tribute act to a real political party.

The Tory ranks aren't overflowing with talent but if Theresa went AWOL then Hammond, Fallon, and Javid are all broadly acceptable and serious successors.

I'd add Patel, Johnson, and Gove to that list, others would add Osborne and maybe Rudd.

glw

Richard_Nabavi said:

Not quite true. There are a number of perfectly plausible figures - Yvette Cooper, Keir Starmer, Hillary Benn, Chuka Ummuna, Stella Creasey, Rachel Reeves, not to mention Ed Balls and Sadiq Khan in the wings. The problem isn't that they have to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices, it's that they want to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Out of those you name I only rate Benn, and as you point out he has little chance with the current Labour membership.

Jonathan

Sunil_Prasannan said:

Jonathan said:

glw said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

It is striking just how bare the Labour cupboard is now. If Blair had fallen under the wheels of a bus, you had Brown, Cook, Cunningham, Darling, Straw, Mowlam, Beckett, Blunkett, Dobson and more. Even if you didn't agree with them, they were serious political players who had a degree of plausibility as potential leaders. Nowadays Labour has to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Whereas the Tories have collusses such as Nicki Morgan and , near miss, Angela Leadsom.

Tories 330
Labour 232

Labour still 30-60 seats more than Tories 97-10.

MarqueeMark

Jonathan said:

glw said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

It is striking just how bare the Labour cupboard is now. If Blair had fallen under the wheels of a bus, you had Brown, Cook, Cunningham, Darling, Straw, Mowlam, Beckett, Blunkett, Dobson and more. Even if you didn't agree with them, they were serious political players who had a degree of plausibility as potential leaders. Nowadays Labour has to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Whereas the Tories have collusses such as Nicki Morgan and , near miss, Angela Leadsom.

I think EVERYBODY except Nicki Morgan thought the idea of Nicki Morgan as, well, pretty much anything, was hilarious.

Danny565

Richard_Nabavi said:

glw said:

It is striking just how bare the Labour cupboard is now. If Blair had fallen under the wheels of a bus, you had Brown, Cook, Cunningham, Darling, Straw, Mowlam, Beckett, Blunkett, Dobson and more. Even if you didn't agree with them, they were serious political players who had a degree of plausibility as potential leaders. Nowadays Labour has to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Not quite true. There are a number of perfectly plausible figures - Yvette Cooper, Keir Starmer, Hillary Benn, Chuka Ummuna, Stella Creasey, Rachel Reeves, not to mention Ed Balls and Sadiq Khan in the wings. The problem isn't that they have to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices, it's that they want to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

I know you don't seriously believe Rachel Reeves, with her catalogue of car crash interviews in the run-up to the 2015 election, is a plausible leader.

Jonathan

MarqueeMark said:

Jonathan said:

glw said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

They are.

And Angela Raynor as well John McDonnell.

Well, as I wrote the other day, there's no leader so bad that you can't, if you really work at it, find one who's worse.

It is striking just how bare the Labour cupboard is now. If Blair had fallen under the wheels of a bus, you had Brown, Cook, Cunningham, Darling, Straw, Mowlam, Beckett, Blunkett, Dobson and more. Even if you didn't agree with them, they were serious political players who had a degree of plausibility as potential leaders. Nowadays Labour has to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Whereas the Tories have collusses such as Nicki Morgan and , near miss, Angela Leadsom.

I think EVERYBODY except Nicki Morgan thought the idea of Nicki Morgan as, well, pretty much anything, was hilarious.

Can we not agree that top talent rarely enters politics. There's more fun, impact to be had elsewhere. And with none of the bullshit that goes with the public eye.

dixiedean

glw said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Not quite true. There are a number of perfectly plausible figures - Yvette Cooper, Keir Starmer, Hillary Benn, Chuka Ummuna, Stella Creasey, Rachel Reeves, not to mention Ed Balls and Sadiq Khan in the wings. The problem isn't that they have to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices, it's that they want to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Out of those you name I only rate Benn, and as you point out he has little chance with the current Labour membership.

Tbf he did say "plausible".

Sunil_Prasannan

dixiedean said:

glw said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Not quite true. There are a number of perfectly plausible figures - Yvette Cooper, Keir Starmer, Hillary Benn, Chuka Ummuna, Stella Creasey, Rachel Reeves, not to mention Ed Balls and Sadiq Khan in the wings. The problem isn't that they have to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices, it's that they want to pick from a bunch of crackpots, halfwits, and novices.

Out of those you name I only rate Benn, and as you point out he has little chance with the current Labour membership.

Tbf he did say "plausible".

Plausible Benn-iability?

Richard_Nabavi

Danny565 said:

I know you don't seriously believe Rachel Reeves, with her catalogue of car crash interviews in the run-up to the 2015 election, is a plausible leader.

When the field includes Jeremy Corbyn and Rebecca Long-Bailey, she looks like a superstar!

MarqueeMark

Jonathan said:

Can we not agree that top talent rarely enters politics. There's more fun, impact to be had elsewhere. And with none of the bullshit that goes with the public eye.

There are dozens of posters on here who we will look upon as the Best Prime Minister We Never Had.

In their mind, at least...

Essexit

Richard_Nabavi said:

Danny565 said:

I know you don't seriously believe Rachel Reeves, with her catalogue of car crash interviews in the run-up to the 2015 election, is a plausible leader.

When the field includes Jeremy Corbyn and Rebecca Long-Bailey, she looks like a superstar!

Reeves is definitely a credible figure. However I notice from her Wikipedia she's in Labour Friends of Israel, i.e. unelectable at the moment.

glw

Jonathan said:

Can we not agree that top talent rarely enters politics. There's more fun, impact to be had elsewhere. And with none of the bullshit that goes with the public eye.

Was it different in the past? It seems that it was, but maybe I'm wrong. That politics isn't attracting high quality candidates is surely a very bad thing. I hope we don't go down the gobshite celebrity route like our American pals.

Jobabob

MarqueeMark said:

Jobabob said:

Richard_Nabavi said:

Evening all.

They're not seriously pushing Ms Long-Bailey as Corbyn's successor, are they?

My intel is that it she is the product of a Labour staffer's overactive sense of humour.

We should be looking for whoever pushed the idea of the Ed Stone. Similar warped sense of humour at work.

The warmest lead yet Mark.