It feels like a matter of when not if Corbyn goes before the general election.
Well Lewis needs to challenge him, and win first.
That is the only way I can see him going.
McDonnell ain't going to get enough noms, mastermind and 33 others can't be that thick - or can they xD ?
If you told the PLP 'Corbyn agrees to step down as leader now if you agree to nominate his preferred choice as leader' they'd agree to it in a heartbeat.
And if that preferred choice is Abbot?
I never got on those Labour sub 20% bets. I'll be regretting that if its Abbot. Anyway she doesn't have the necessary 'equipment' to become leader.
I don't recall any of those odds being remotely close to value.
In reality UKIP simply hasn't shown enough strength to make Labour look like they're heading sub 20.
they won't even be sub 25. No alternatives, Union power, dim loyal voters
I'm guessing someone on here who laid him right out before
Chuka is worth a punt, he is sensibly staying out of it at the moment and letting Lewis be the latest kamikaze to take on the Corbyn machine. He knows that until Corbyn/McDonnell are defeated at a general election there is little point taking on Corbynism
Chuka will be worth a punt once any of the pre-requisites come to pass, and not before. But for me he is "the field" - if you'd laid him now would be a good point to even out.
Yes, this is the time to back him
He appears to have most of what it takes to become a future Labour leader, but does he have the necessary and all imprtant bottle? Given the number of possible runners and riders, I think I'd require better odds than 27/1 to be persuaded to back back him, but he's certainly worth watching.
Yes, he used to be on the telly here in Norfolk on regional news although few can remember anything he said. But it all went wrong for him at the beeb when he 'came out' as a party candidate for Labour. This was incompatible with the neutral status of the BBC.
So a problem developed: The on-screen reporters were paid more than the back-office wonks and techies. But he couldn't be on screen any more. And they couldn't fire him. So he was shifted to the back office.... but on a front office salary. And because back-office duties like making the tea didn't excite him, he became lazy, whilst trousering double pay. And his actions and attitude didn;t endear himself to anyone. In fact, quite the reverse.
No wonder the BBC has it in for him, They have long memories. Stand-by for lots of juicy stories about him that have been kept in reserve from his former comrades from the turnip fields in Norfolk. oh yes!
So is this the conclusion of the Gina Miller legal challenge episode? As a result of her challenge, she has given Brexit an extra layer of legitimacy (both a referendum result AND a parliamentary majority in favour), engendered an unprecedented display of unity in the Conservative Party, and made the PLP look a ridiculous shambles. So maybe not completely the outcome she was hoping for. OTOH, she has probably increased the likelihood of a Labour Party leader other than Jeremy Corbyn by the time of the next election, which I suppose she probably welcomes.
Simon Richards @simplysimontfa A great Liberal Leader, Lloyd George, fought the unelected Lords; in calling on peers 2 oppose Commons & people @timfarron shames Liberalism
Simon Richards @simplysimontfa A great Liberal Leader, Lloyd George, fought the unelected Lords; in calling on peers 2 oppose Commons & people @timfarron shames Liberalism
Tim Farron has picked an absolutely ridiculous place to stand his ground.
Yes, he used to be on the telly here in Norfolk on regional news although few can remember anything he said. But it all went wrong for him at the beeb when he 'came out' as a party candidate for Labour. This was incompatible with the neutral status of the BBC.
So a problem developed: The on-screen reporters were paid more than the back-office wonks and techies. But he couldn't be on screen any more. And they couldn't fire him. So he was shifted to the back office.... but on a front office salary. And because back-office duties like making the tea didn't excite him, he became lazy, whilst trousering double pay. And his actions and attitude didn;t endear himself to anyone. In fact, quite the reverse.
No wonder the BBC has it in for him, They have long memories. Stand-by for lots of juicy stories about him that have been kept in reserve from his former comrades from the turnip fields in Norfolk. oh yes!
Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot
And in the end when they sacked him he said it was cos bbc was racist.
So is this the conclusion of the Gina Miller legal challenge episode? As a result of her challenge, she has given Brexit an extra layer of legitimacy (both a referendum result AND a parliamentary majority in favour)
A sterling service and helped clarify an important principle. Whatever her hopes may or may not have been re MPs defying the popular vote, it did not even delay anything, so the whole case was well worth having.
A Lewis leadership challenge would fracture the Labour left whatever the outcome. What way would Paul Mason vote? There'd possibly be scope for a Labour moderate to come through the middle.
So is this the conclusion of the Gina Miller legal challenge episode? As a result of her challenge, she has given Brexit an extra layer of legitimacy (both a referendum result AND a parliamentary majority in favour), engendered an unprecedented display of unity in the Conservative Party, and made the PLP look a ridiculous shambles. So maybe not completely the outcome she was hoping for. OTOH, she has probably increased the likelihood of a Labour Party leader other than Jeremy Corbyn by the time of the next election, which I suppose she probably welcomes.
So is this the conclusion of the Gina Miller legal challenge episode? As a result of her challenge, she has given Brexit an extra layer of legitimacy (both a referendum result AND a parliamentary majority in favour), engendered an unprecedented display of unity in the Conservative Party, and made the PLP look a ridiculous shambles. So maybe not completely the outcome she was hoping for. OTOH, she has probably increased the likelihood of a Labour Party leader other than Jeremy Corbyn by the time of the next election, which I suppose she probably welcomes.
And made some lawyers even richer...
I won't feel a sense of closure until they resolve the central issue of the pronunciation of De Keyser.
Joe Murphy @JoeMurphyLondon Bercow could lose right to veto foreign guests, as Lord Fowler seeks reform and bemoans lack of "effort to reach consensus" by HoC Speaker
Yes, he used to be on the telly here in Norfolk on regional news although few can remember anything he said. But it all went wrong for him at the beeb when he 'came out' as a party candidate for Labour. This was incompatible with the neutral status of the BBC.
So a problem developed: The on-screen reporters were paid more than the back-office wonks and techies. But he couldn't be on screen any more. And they couldn't fire him. So he was shifted to the back office.... but on a front office salary. And because back-office duties like making the tea didn't excite him, he became lazy, whilst trousering double pay. And his actions and attitude didn;t endear himself to anyone. In fact, quite the reverse.
No wonder the BBC has it in for him, They have long memories. Stand-by for lots of juicy stories about him that have been kept in reserve from his former comrades from the turnip fields in Norfolk. oh yes!
Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot
Good to see you making one of your all too few guest appearances Bunnco.
A Lewis leadership challenge would fracture the Labour left whatever the outcome. What way would Paul Mason vote? There'd possibly be scope for a Labour moderate to come through the middle.
How would that work as it's a run-off system (a la French president)? You'd expect a leftie to make the final two?
Joe Murphy @JoeMurphyLondon Bercow could lose right to veto foreign guests, as Lord Fowler seeks reform and bemoans lack of "effort to reach consensus" by HoC Speaker
Perhaps Bercow's method of reform is to try to do something in a manifestly prat like way, so people realise it needs to change - he tried to appoint someone unqualified for half the role of Clerk, so the role would be split, and then rather than any number of more reasonable tones he could have taken on the foreign visitor issue he grandstands and doesn't consult his fellow, so it will get taken away from him.
The alternative is he chose to make no effort at consensus, even token effort, which would have been easy to do while making the same point he did make.
I don't believe she minds what he says- given he was always unpopular, until such times as he is proven right, she will be glad to have him them to contrast herself with, so slaps down is probably not right - she'll want him to keep popping up.
If Peter Hain opinion is more widely held in the house of lords there is going to be big trouble at mill.
Many in the Lords themselves want reform of the chamber, I have no doubt, but I doubt they want open war between themselves and the commons, and the arrangements for future parliamentary scrutiny and governance that would be forged in such a bloodletting, as would occur if they persistently held up the bill. They will be pilloried if they pass some amendments, the press will be out for their heads, but if it is only a small number, which the commons overturn and the lords do not press the issue too much, do not extend the period of ping pong, then they will have made as much of it as they can and can say they tried, while ultimately deferring as they must to the lower chamber, and the furore will pass.
While I disagree with the action, the BBC says the amendment to legislation did not specify a target number to be resettled, though the proposer of the amendment and supporters had 'suggested' 3000. Which if true would mean there was never an 'agreement' to resettle 3000 which has been broken and so the sub heading may be a bit misleading. Still a very low number though to have been helped though, seems like more should be possible.
A Lewis leadership challenge would fracture the Labour left whatever the outcome. What way would Paul Mason vote? There'd possibly be scope for a Labour moderate to come through the middle.
How would that work as it's a run-off system (a la French president)? You'd expect a leftie to make the final two?
Would Corbyn supporters give their second preference to someone who betrayed him and triggered the leadership contest? Likewise Lewis supporters are those who may want a new leader. The moderate candidate would be someone from the soft left like Nandy, not a Blairite.
The interesting thing is trump doesn't link to the research - he links to a media writeup of the research.
However, it does seem to be a genuine (although, online) poll from a reputable agency. There's clearly a lot of Muslim fear among older, less-educated europeans.
Housing refugees is not as simple as finding any random person, whatever their status, and asking if they've got a spare room. Even if she would be happy to there may be reasons why it is not reasonable.
A Lewis leadership challenge would fracture the Labour left whatever the outcome. What way would Paul Mason vote? There'd possibly be scope for a Labour moderate to come through the middle.
How would that work as it's a run-off system (a la French president)? You'd expect a leftie to make the final two?
Would Corbyn supporters give their second preference to someone who betrayed him and triggered the leadership contest? Likewise Lewis supporters are those who may want a new leader. The moderate candidate would be someone from the soft left like Nandy, not a Blairite.
Yes, okay, take that point about a challenger from the left being seen as treacherous. Interesting.
I'm guessing someone on here who laid him right out before
Chuka is worth a punt, he is sensibly staying out of it at the moment and letting Lewis be the latest kamikaze to take on the Corbyn machine. He knows that until Corbyn/McDonnell are defeated at a general election there is little point taking on Corbynism
Chuka will be worth a punt once any of the pre-requisites come to pass, and not before. But for me he is "the field" - if you'd laid him now would be a good point to even out.
Yes, this is the time to back him
He appears to have most of what it takes to become a future Labour leader, but does he have the necessary and all imprtant bottle? Given the number of possible runners and riders, I think I'd require better odds than 27/1 to be persuaded to back back him, but he's certainly worth watching.
Chuka, probably correctly, certainly can't be bothered to even try until after Labour lose the next general election. Once Corbyn or whichever Corbynista replaces him loses then he will need to show he is in it to win it and the Labour Party must finally have the hunger to win again too
Standard Operating Procedure now would be the appearance in the media of damaging stories about Clive Lewis. If they appear, it's safe to lay him at the current odds. If they don't, and especially if some of Corbyn's circle pop up with comments favourable towards Lewis, it might not be.
Leicester have finally remembered what to do with that weird round thing the other side have been insisting on kicking about for the last few months.
Gray and Ndidi were our best players on Sunday, they earned and deserved their goals tonight. Good crowd for a mid week replay match. Some of these reserves deserve a start or two.
Swansea away on Sunday is the big match. Then we will see if tbey really have their mojo back.
The interesting thing is trump doesn't link to the research - he links to a media writeup of the research.
However, it does seem to be a genuine (although, online) poll from a reputable agency. There's clearly a lot of Muslim fear among older, less-educated europeans.
"less educated" lol - yes thats right blame the poll on stupidity.
The interesting thing is trump doesn't link to the research - he links to a media writeup of the research.
However, it does seem to be a genuine (although, online) poll from a reputable agency. There's clearly a lot of Muslim fear among older, less-educated europeans.
"less educated" lol - yes thats right blame the poll on stupidity.
Older voters who didn't get the chance to pay to study travel and tourism at a converted poly
That's been the case for centuries; why do you think slavery was not mentioned in the US Constitution ?
The USA is a nation founded on genocide and slavery. The significance of this in the manifestation of today's disparate attitudes amongst its population, is the very large elephant in the very large room.
The obscure rule used to stop @SenWarren last night was created to protect a lynching advocate in the Senate.
To protect a lynching advocate!???!?!? wtf!?
Yup, Ben Tillman.
He once said on the floor of the senate
"We of the South have never recognized the right of the Negro to govern white men, and we never will. We have never believed him to be the equal of the white man, and we will not submit to his gratifying his lust on our wives and daughters without lynching him. I would to God the last one of them was in Africa and that none of them had ever been brought to our shores."
But he said quite a few other pro lynching stuff, in unambiguous language
Tennessee GOP .@SenatorTimScott reads tweets criticizing his endorsement of Jeff Sessions: "I left out all the ones that use the n-word." #ShePersisted https://t.co/XO8v79w411
The new administration is not without a few amusing characters... http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-white-house-congress-234717 The meeting, which is a weekly gathering and typically lasts 15-20 minutes, ended abruptly moments later after another staffer asked Conway whether she'd seen "Saturday Night Live's" lampooning of White House press secretary Sean Spicer over the weekend. Asked whether she'd laughed at the portrayal, Conway's face "turned to stone," according to another source in the room. A senior White House official said Conway didn't comment on the "SNL" video but that her face hadn't turn to stone.
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Yes 2 AV: 32%
Wrong again
Yes, he used to be on the telly here in Norfolk on regional news although few can remember anything he said. But it all went wrong for him at the beeb when he 'came out' as a party candidate for Labour. This was incompatible with the neutral status of the BBC.
So a problem developed: The on-screen reporters were paid more than the back-office wonks and techies. But he couldn't be on screen any more. And they couldn't fire him. So he was shifted to the back office.... but on a front office salary. And because back-office duties like making the tea didn't excite him, he became lazy, whilst trousering double pay. And his actions and attitude didn;t endear himself to anyone. In fact, quite the reverse.
No wonder the BBC has it in for him, They have long memories. Stand-by for lots of juicy stories about him that have been kept in reserve from his former comrades from the turnip fields in Norfolk. oh yes!
Bunnco - Your Man on the Spot
A great Liberal Leader, Lloyd George, fought the unelected Lords; in calling on peers 2 oppose Commons & people @timfarron shames Liberalism
Bercow could lose right to veto foreign guests, as Lord Fowler seeks reform and bemoans lack of "effort to reach consensus" by HoC Speaker
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4204836/Theresa-blasts-George-Osborne-s-Brexit-approach.html
The alternative is he chose to make no effort at consensus, even token effort, which would have been easy to do while making the same point he did make.
Fernandes: No it wasn't
Hain: Oh you'll promise it now then?
Fernandes: ... (silence)
#Newsnight
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/829446266111287305
Only another 25 years to go...
When Remoaners say that "only" 52% of the people voted for #Brexit, remind them that 80% of MPs also did. #Article50Bill
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38912428
REMAIN 122
However, it does seem to be a genuine (although, online) poll from a reputable agency. There's clearly a lot of Muslim fear among older, less-educated europeans.
Hand of GOD @HandofGOD7
"Blub blub.. Brexit.. unfair.. blub..I'm illiberal.. Brexit.. Blub blub.. I ignore democracy.. blub blub.. I'm @timfarron.. Blub.."
#Brexit
LEAVE 122
494/650 = 0.76 (76%).
https://twitter.com/RaheemKassam/status/829450060240924672
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C8brlUfhwBk
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/829463818807934977
Swansea away on Sunday is the big match. Then we will see if tbey really have their mojo back.
https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/829451566000242688
Maybe he was just trying to sell her a new washing machine?
The Senate has been in session since noon Monday; only one other session longer; more than 125 hours in 1960. https://t.co/xbWW6AKKp8
Just another crazy Night in Westminster.
"Hey Canada, you've been bad mouthing me all week, so sad. Here's Sarah Palin as your new ambassador."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzVLkOaPimk
He once said on the floor of the senate
"We of the South have never recognized the right of the Negro to govern white men, and we never will. We have never believed him to be the equal of the white man, and we will not submit to his gratifying his lust on our wives and daughters without lynching him. I would to God the last one of them was in Africa and that none of them had ever been brought to our shores."
But he said quite a few other pro lynching stuff, in unambiguous language
http://slate.me/2krPqTU
Tennessee GOP
.@SenatorTimScott reads tweets criticizing his endorsement of Jeff Sessions: "I left out all the ones that use the n-word."
#ShePersisted https://t.co/XO8v79w411
Wikipedia Bans Daily Mail As 'Unreliable' Source
http://m.slashdot.org/story/322277
http://www.thepoke.co.uk/2017/02/07/donaeld-the-unready-tweets-as-if-trump-is-a-mad-medieval-king/
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-white-house-congress-234717
The meeting, which is a weekly gathering and typically lasts 15-20 minutes, ended abruptly moments later after another staffer asked Conway whether she'd seen "Saturday Night Live's" lampooning of White House press secretary Sean Spicer over the weekend. Asked whether she'd laughed at the portrayal, Conway's face "turned to stone," according to another source in the room. A senior White House official said Conway didn't comment on the "SNL" video but that her face hadn't turn to stone.
he has been a tireless advocate for civil rights throughout his career...
Was the ability to lie with a straight face his sole job criterion ?