Although I think Trump's barmy edict and some of his other policies are potentially catastrophic, the reaction of the Guardianistas is hilarious:
The British state reserves its pomp and pageantry for those with shared values. To do this for Trump is not simply appeasing, but legitimising his regime. This is not just embarrassing for the Queen but for every decent citizen. The vicar’s daughter may have lost her moral compass somewhere over the Atlantic, but this petition and the debate it prompts shows more than a million of us are clinging on to ours. It is not in the national interest to bend a knee to hate.
Let's see those shared values in action, shall we?
12–15 June 1973 General Yakubu Gowon and Mrs. Gowon of Nigeria 13–16 June 1978 President Nicolae Ceaușescu and Madame Ceausescu of Romania 17–20 May 1994 President Mugabe of Zimbabwe 19–22 October 1999 President Jiang Zemin and Mrs. Wang Yeping of China 24–27 June 2003 President Vladimir Putin and Mrs. Lyudmila Putina of Russia
Mobutu in 1973 Hu Jintao in 2005 Emperor Hirohito in 1971 isnt exactly an uncontroversial choice either!
If you look at the BBC website the highest number of signatures come from Remoaner Labour seats in inner London, Bristol and Green Brighton areas which in the US also voted Hillary by a landslide. In areas like Wolverhampton and Walsall barely anyone has signed and that was peak Brexit territory and would have been peak Trump territory in the US http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38796357
So our divided nation continues to be divided. Great. How is that helpful? There was absolutely no need to offer Trump a state visit.
At some stage it was necessary, the Bushes, Reagan, Obama and Clinton had one
Yes, after they had been on official visits and been in power for a couple of years.
Obama and W Bush had one in their first term
Yes, but they made official visits first. The state visits cam after a couple of years. Trump will not countenance an official visit. He wants the Queen. We had to give him what he wanted.
A lot of people voted to leave the EU last year in good faith. Now the world has changed. Now we have a choice to make. Europe or Trump?
And many others.
Which is exactly the SNP pitch. Funny that...
Yes and EU looks much more inviting than the butt licking UK
Morning Malc - how much does Scotland export to the EU and how much to England.
And surprised a Scotsman wants to be ruled by Brussels
SNIP
LOL, Yes lord and Master, we will do exactly as you command.
SNIP
SNIP
SNIP
Panel base today has it 54% still for No
Decent starting point for Nicola.
Nope exactly the same point as final 2014 polls
Not the point I was making. Salmond started his indy campaign in the 20s or 30s as I recall – way below this level. He made up a huge amount of ground in the campaign. I suspect Nicola would take being four points short at the start of the campaign, given that.
Winning over the rest will be much harder.
4% is still a lot easier than 30%, and given the assistance of Westminster and their media goons it is not a big task.
Although I think Trump's barmy edict and some of his other policies are potentially catastrophic, the reaction of the Guardianistas is hilarious:
The British state reserves its pomp and pageantry for those with shared values. To do this for Trump is not simply appeasing, but legitimising his regime. This is not just embarrassing for the Queen but for every decent citizen. The vicar’s daughter may have lost her moral compass somewhere over the Atlantic, but this petition and the debate it prompts shows more than a million of us are clinging on to ours. It is not in the national interest to bend a knee to hate.
Let's see those shared values in action, shall we?
12–15 June 1973 General Yakubu Gowon and Mrs. Gowon of Nigeria 13–16 June 1978 President Nicolae Ceaușescu and Madame Ceausescu of Romania 17–20 May 1994 President Mugabe of Zimbabwe 19–22 October 1999 President Jiang Zemin and Mrs. Wang Yeping of China 24–27 June 2003 President Vladimir Putin and Mrs. Lyudmila Putina of Russia
Mobutu in 1973 Hu Jintao in 2005 Emperor Hirohito in 1971 isnt exactly an uncontroversial choice either!
If you look at the BBC website the highest number of signatures come from Remoaner Labour seats in inner London, Bristol and Green Brighton areas which in the US also voted Hillary by a landslide. In areas like Wolverhampton and Walsall barely anyone has signed and that was peak Brexit territory and would have been peak Trump territory in the US http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38796357
So our divided nation continues to be divided. Great. How is that helpful? There was absolutely no need to offer Trump a state visit.
At some stage it was necessary, the Bushes, Reagan, Obama and Clinton had one
Yes, after they had been on official visits and been in power for a couple of years.
Obama and W Bush had one in their first term
Yes, but they made official visits first. The state visits cam after a couple of years. Trump will not countenance an official visit. He wants the Queen. We had to give him what he wanted.
I am sure an official visit in 2017 and waiting on the naughty step until a full dinner with the Queen and carriage ride and 21 gun salute in 2018/19 would really tell Trump, yes!
Although I think Trump's barmy edict and some of his other policies are potentially catastrophic, the reaction of the Guardianistas is hilarious:
The British state reserves its pomp and pageantry for those with shared values. To do this for Trump is not simply appeasing, but legitimising his regime. This is not just embarrassing for the Queen but for every decent citizen. The vicar’s daughter may have lost her moral compass somewhere over the Atlantic, but this petition and the debate it prompts shows more than a million of us are clinging on to ours. It is not in the national interest to bend a knee to hate.
Let's see those shared values in action, shall we?
12–15 June 1973 General Yakubu Gowon and Mrs. Gowon of Nigeria 13–16 June 1978 President Nicolae Ceaușescu and Madame Ceausescu of Romania 17–20 May 1994 President Mugabe of Zimbabwe 19–22 October 1999 President Jiang Zemin and Mrs. Wang Yeping of China 24–27 June 2003 President Vladimir Putin and Mrs. Lyudmila Putina of Russia
Mobutu in 1973 Hu Jintao in 2005 Emperor Hirohito in 1971 isnt exactly an uncontroversial choice either!
If you look at the BBC website the highest number of signatures come from Remoaner Labour seats in inner London, Bristol and Green Brighton areas which in the US also voted Hillary by a landslide. In areas like Wolverhampton and Walsall barely anyone has signed and that was peak Brexit territory and would have been peak Trump territory in the US http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38796357
So our divided nation continues to be divided. Great. How is that helpful? There was absolutely no need to offer Trump a state visit.
At some stage it was necessary, the Bushes, Reagan, Obama and Clinton had one
Yes, after they had been on official visits and been in power for a couple of years.
Obama and W Bush had one in their first term
Yes, but they made official visits first. The state visits cam after a couple of years. Trump will not countenance an official visit. He wants the Queen. We had to give him what he wanted.
He'll meet Prince Charles and chat about AGW. What could possibly go wrong?
We shouldn't be having state visits for anyone, least of all Trump. They are pathetic bowing and scraping. If there is business to be done, do it, have dinner, go home. Don't expect golden carriages and tea with Liz.
I wonder if Theresa the Appeaser's blame-spreading, bum-kissing clusterfuck has reached the point of committing the ultimate sin for PB Tories, causing embarrassment to our own, dear Queen? Any moment now surely?
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
"Bush visit set to paralyse London Itinerary details remain secret in record security operation as thousands plan street protests during first state visit by an American President London will be brought to a standstill in 10 days' time when the visit of US President George W. Bush will take place under the highest security ever reserved for a foreign head of state. A combination of last-minute road closures and a rally at Trafalgar Square by an estimated 100,000 anti-war protesters will paralyse the capital when Bush arrives on 19 November for a three-day stay in Britain. It will be the first ever state visit by an American President, who will be the guest of the Queen for the duration of his stay."
A mate of mine who was a civvy with the Met was on duty for W's visit. He was kitted out with gas powered cutting equipment in case lefties managed to chain themselves to any of the vehicles in the motorcade.
@SkyRhiannon: .@ActionAidUK which has Prince Charles as its patron,has told me the charity is signing the petition against state visit for President Trump
Are charities allowed to have political positions?
What I found really disturbing about this video is the vulture behaviour of those with camera phones crowding around the guy who was clearly knocked out / just coming round.
Paul Joseph Watson The irony of anti-Trump rioters chanting "peaceful protest" after they'd just viciously attacked someone. https://t.co/2M8p1HuDjb
As a matter of interest, I've had quite strong pushback from constituents over the petition - a dozen or so emails from across the political spectrum saying hey, he's the President, we need to get on with him. Most have in common that they think the petition actually calls for him to be banned from coming - the nuances about state visits vs working visits have passed them by.
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A state visit is an admission of weakness: Trump has an ego that has to be pandered to and it is only by pandering to him that we stand any chance of getting anything that we want. Other US presidents o f both parties - rational men who could see beyond themselves - were fine with official visits on their first trips over here. Trump wanted to meet the Queen and the other royals (except prince Charles) and we felt could not afford to turn him down, even though he has only been in office a week. And the rest of the world will note this and see we realise just how weak a spot we are in.
The next four years will show how wise it was to meet and acknowledge the latest holder of the post of President of the United States. Not someone to piss off, whoever it is in that office. The State visit is the greatest diplomatic courtesy we can extend. As has been pointed out, when you look at the list of those this "honour" has been bestowed upon, Trump wouldn't make the top ten of most questionable recipients.
Sorry, but talk of it being down to the inherent "weakness" of a post-Brexit UK is just so much bollocks.
We are giving Trump an honour never before bestowed on a US president - an official state visit on his first trip over here, with the invitation made a week after he has taken office. That is weakness. Sorry.
Rubbish. Get a grip.
The EU apparatchiks intend to roger us good and hard over the Brexit negotiations. Trump's election is an opportunity, as well as a threat, and one which we are very well advised to make full use of. He likes Britain, has family roots here, supported Brexit when nobody else did, and he dislikes the EU - let's make use of that. Let's exploit it.
If I were May I'd be using every possibly weapon in our arsenal to strengthen our hand in the negotiations to come. Creating fear of a strategic alternative for the UK is one such ruse.
We need every card in our pocket there is.
Jesus what a state we seem to be in.
Even us Leavers never said Leaving would be easy.
I stand by what i've always said: short-term worse off, medium-term little difference, long-term better off.
We shouldn't be having state visits for anyone, least of all Trump. They are pathetic bowing and scraping. If there is business to be done, do it, have dinner, go home. Don't expect golden carriages and tea with Liz.
I wonder if Theresa the Appeaser's blame-spreading, bum-kissing clusterfuck has reached the point of committing the ultimate sin for PB Tories, causing embarrassment to our own, dear Queen? Any moment now surely?
You might be right...
(Point of order: it's the embarrassing the Queen part of the petition that weakens it. How about embarrassing the country? Surely that is more important?)
@SkyRhiannon: .@ActionAidUK which has Prince Charles as its patron,has told me the charity is signing the petition against state visit for President Trump
Are charities allowed to have political positions?
I think it's what they spend their money on that matters. Signing a petition doesn't cost anything. Are corporate bodies like charities allowed to sign petitions? might be a more pertinent question.
A lot of people voted to leave the EU last year in good faith. Now the world has changed. Now we have a choice to make. Europe or Trump?
And many others.
Which is exactly the SNP pitch. Funny that...
Yes and EU looks much more inviting than the butt licking UK
Morning Malc - how much does Scotland export to the EU and how much to England.
And surprised a Scotsman wants to be ruled by Brussels
SNIP
LOL, Yes lord and Master, we will do exactly as you command.
SNIP
SNIP
SNIP
Panel base today has it 54% still for No
Decent starting point for Nicola.
Nope exactly the same point as final 2014 polls
Not the point I was making. Salmond started his indy campaign in the 20s or 30s as I recall – way below this level. He made up a huge amount of ground in the campaign. I suspect Nicola would take being four points short at the start of the campaign, given that.
Winning over the rest will be much harder.
4% is still a lot easier than 30%, and given the assistance of Westminster and their media goons it is not a big task.
I also think there is a lot more media sympathy for Scottish independence now. I could be wrong, but that is my sense.
I am weary of hearing that Statue of Liberty poem, which in the interest of honesty should have a further stanza conceding that for a third of a millennium the majority of immigrants from the old world to North America could yearn all they liked to be free without ever escaping chattel slave status, and another noting that so much breathing space was on offer because the indigenous owners had been killed, infected, defrauded and herded into pitifully mean reservations to make way for the White Man.
@SkyRhiannon: .@ActionAidUK which has Prince Charles as its patron,has told me the charity is signing the petition against state visit for President Trump
Are charities allowed to have political positions?
I think the Fabian Society and the Adam Smith Institute are both charities.
Donald J Trump I have made my decision on who I will nominate for The United States Supreme Court. It will be announced live on Tuesday at 8:00 P.M. (W.H.)
ISTR a similar thing happened in ?Newcastle? a couple of years ago.
You have to feel sorry for the runners: "I just did my first half marathon!" (a few months later) "No you didn't!"
Especially the winner who thought she had broken the record.
Especially unforgivable now that it takes a minute to verify your findings on google maps. Of course it may be that it has always happened, and before google maps no one would find out about it.
Donald J Trump I have made my decision on who I will nominate for The United States Supreme Court. It will be announced live on Tuesday at 8:00 P.M. (W.H.)
Betting opportunity? Is there a market up anywhere?
May has gone over there, told him we'd like a deal (no heads of terms yet) and to behave on Putin, NATO and torture. He listened as well as Trump ever could. We offered a state visit in return.
Um. That's it. Unless you think failing to tell him to go f*ck himself is a sell-out. Personally, I think diplomacy operates at slightly subtler levels.
Did he say anything to her? Or does he recognise the born superiority of the British Tory bourgeoisie when he sees it? Would it even be possible for a British Tory minister to meet a foreign counterpart and the meeting involve anything other than the Brit telling the foreigner what's what?
And perhaps, if the foreigner is a useful one, humouring them by offering a photo opportunity with the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg woman in the knowledge that THAT, above everything, is what all foreign leaders need, so that they can know that they've really MADE IT in the world?
The British government is in a position of abject humiliation. And it's cocky with it.
@SkyRhiannon: .@ActionAidUK which has Prince Charles as its patron,has told me the charity is signing the petition against state visit for President Trump
Are charities allowed to have political positions?
I think the Fabian Society and the Adam Smith Institute are both charities.
Fabian Society
We are an unincorporated membership association (not a company or charity).
There are about 8000 entries from outside the UK (i.e. about 0.4% of the total).
I suspect these are mainly genuine entries or genuine mistakes on input. Serious manipulation would involve much bigger numbers and less obvious entries.
@SkyRhiannon: .@ActionAidUK which has Prince Charles as its patron,has told me the charity is signing the petition against state visit for President Trump
Are charities allowed to have political positions?
I wonder how many of the people keen on immediately honouring Donald Trump with a state visit were incandescent when Barack Obama was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.
Not comparable.
Nobel Prizes are supposed to reflect personal achievement.
Let's see those shared values in action, shall we?
12–15 June 1973 General Yakubu Gowon and Mrs. Gowon of Nigeria 13–16 June 1978 President Nicolae Ceaușescu and Madame Ceausescu of Romania 17–20 May 1994 President Mugabe of Zimbabwe 19–22 October 1999 President Jiang Zemin and Mrs. Wang Yeping of China 24–27 June 2003 President Vladimir Putin and Mrs. Lyudmila Putina of Russia
Mobutu in 1973 Hu Jintao in 2005 Emperor Hirohito in 1971 isnt exactly an uncontroversial choice either!
If you look at the BBC website the highest number of signatures come from Remoaner Labour seats in inner London, Bristol and Green Brighton areas which in the US also voted Hillary by a landslide. In areas like Wolverhampton and Walsall barely anyone has signed and that was peak Brexit territory and would have been peak Trump territory in the US http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38796357
So our divided nation continues to be divided. Great. How is that helpful? There was absolutely no need to offer Trump a state visit.
At some stage it was necessary, the Bushes, Reagan, Obama and Clinton had one
Yes, after they had been on official visits and been in power for a couple of years.
Obama and W Bush had one in their first term
Yes, but they made official visits first. The state visits cam after a couple of years. Trump will not countenance an official visit. He wants the Queen. We had to give him what he wanted.
I am sure an official visit in 2017 and waiting on the naughty step until a full dinner with the Queen and carriage ride and 21 gun salute in 2018/19 would really tell Trump, yes!
Who cares what Trump thinks? What interests me is how prostrating ourselves at the feet of such a divisive figure a week into his presidency is seen in the rest of the world and what it does to our standing.
We shouldn't be having state visits for anyone, least of all Trump. They are pathetic bowing and scraping. If there is business to be done, do it, have dinner, go home. Don't expect golden carriages and tea with Liz.
I wonder if Theresa the Appeaser's blame-spreading, bum-kissing clusterfuck has reached the point of committing the ultimate sin for PB Tories, causing embarrassment to our own, dear Queen? Any moment now surely?
Given the Queen backed Brexit apparently I am sure she will get on well with Trump, a fellow Brexiteer, eco warrior Prince Charles maybe less so
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Mark Dice Hey @JohnAvlon your paper published "names" of the Quebec City mosque shooters they found on a parody Reuters account! Bravo. #FakeNews
No confirmation of names that I've seen so far - and conflicting reports of what happened inc that Ally Snack Bar was shouted/dispute between rival factions.
Sam Coates seems to be gleaming stuff from that No 10 press release that simply isn't there.
The press release describes the process, note the last sentence is in the past tense - which indicates the process with respect to the President of the USA has already been completed. They are not 'blaming' anyone, Mr Coates is just seeking to sensationalise the whole business for twitter likes and whatnot.
Coates is also a passionate Remainer. He hates what TMay is doing.
Everything must now be seen through this prism.
Quite. Faisal Islam is another who's lost his professional perspective. There are a number of journos who've made (in my view) the fatal mistake of wearing their political hearts on their Twitter sleeves. The result is simple; I've lost much of my trust in media reportage.
I've unfollowed a dozen or more - their opinions are no more worthy than anyone else. They've lost their credibility clothes. A few get it - most don't even after calling everything wrong.
This is how the Daily Mail is reporting the Quebec shooting:
"Police arrest two students – one 'of Moroccan origin' - over the murder of six people shot dead in a Quebec City mosque carnage a day after Canadian PM condemned Trump immigration ban"
@SkyRhiannon: .@ActionAidUK which has Prince Charles as its patron,has told me the charity is signing the petition against state visit for President Trump
Are charities allowed to have political positions?
Yes. How else can they lobby for their cause?
But a charity is not allowed "to be used as a vehicle for the expression of the political views of any individual trustee or staff member".
As ever in Britain, different rules apply whenever the "royal family" is involved.
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
But that's exactly what I told myself about the Clarkson petition.
Get a grip, it's a petition, and a bunch of lefties wetting themselves. The fact the incontinence is virulently infectious is neither here nor there.
It's precisely the triviality of what is being asked for that makes the speed so interesting. The Brexit petition (which I also didn't sign) was at least for something purposeful.
@SkyRhiannon: .@ActionAidUK which has Prince Charles as its patron,has told me the charity is signing the petition against state visit for President Trump
So is a charity now a person who can sign petitions? Can they also vote in elections?
@SkyRhiannon: .@ActionAidUK which has Prince Charles as its patron,has told me the charity is signing the petition against state visit for President Trump
Are charities allowed to have political positions?
Yes. How else can they lobby for their cause?
But a charity is not allowed "to be used as a vehicle for the expression of the political views of any individual trustee or staff member".
As ever in Britain, different rules apply whenever the "royal family" is involved.
I doubt very much that Prince Charles was consulted.
@SkyRhiannon: .@ActionAidUK which has Prince Charles as its patron,has told me the charity is signing the petition against state visit for President Trump
So is a charity now a person who can sign petitions? Can they also vote in elections?
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
What do you expect with the coverage it's getting,it's mentioned in every news broadcast - TV and radio.
Sorry but the piteous whining by a few on here about Trump and the supposed disgrace of our country for talking to, and where appropriate, buttering up of, the (unfortunately) leader of the free world is more than flesh and blood can stand. Time for a bit of fresh air. Later all
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Reminds me of the surge towards Corbyn/joining Labour the last two summers
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Neither am I signing. I would much rather give him a hard time on arrival, and Mrs Foxy is wanting a pink knitted hat for the occasion.
It is not just Remania though, in NW Leics (heavily for Leave, ex coal mining seat, former BNP councillors etc) over 1000 have signed.
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Reminds me of the surge towards Corbyn/joining Labour the last two summers
It's very reminiscent of that. It is virtually independent of what it is nominally about.
It's probably a reflection of the point made by Keiran Pedley in the thread header that no one is leading Remainers, so intense dissatisfaction is finding an outlet any way it can.
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Reminds me of the surge towards Corbyn/joining Labour the last two summers
It's very reminiscent of that. It is virtually independent of what it is nominally about.
It's probably a reflection of the point made by Keiran Pedley in the thread header that no one is leading Remainers, so intense dissatisfaction is finding an outlet any way it can.
Hasn't Tim Farron appointed himself to the role as Leader of the Remianers?
May has gone over there, told him we'd like a deal (no heads of terms yet) and to behave on Putin, NATO and torture. He listened as well as Trump ever could. We offered a state visit in return.
Um. That's it. Unless you think failing to tell him to go f*ck himself is a sell-out. Personally, I think diplomacy operates at slightly subtler levels.
Did he say anything to her? Or does he recognise the born superiority of the British Tory bourgeoisie when he sees it? Would it even be possible for a British Tory minister to meet a foreign counterpart and the meeting involve anything other than the Brit telling the foreigner what's what?
And perhaps, if the foreigner is a useful one, humouring them by offering a photo opportunity with the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg woman in the knowledge that THAT, above everything, is what all foreign leaders need, so that they can know that they've really MADE IT in the world?
The British government is in a position of abject humiliation. And it's cocky with it.
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Reminds me of the surge towards Corbyn/joining Labour the last two summers
It's very reminiscent of that. It is virtually independent of what it is nominally about.
It's probably a reflection of the point made by Keiran Pedley in the thread header that no one is leading Remainers, so intense dissatisfaction is finding an outlet any way it can.
Hasn't Tim Farron appointed himself to the role as Leader of the Remianers?
Let's see those shared values in action, shall we?
12–15 June 1973 General Yakubu Gowon and Mrs. Gowon of Nigeria 13–16 June 1978 President Nicolae Ceaușescu and Madame Ceausescu of Romania 17–20 May 1994 President Mugabe of Zimbabwe 19–22 October 1999 President Jiang Zemin and Mrs. Wang Yeping of China 24–27 June 2003 President Vladimir Putin and Mrs. Lyudmila Putina of Russia
Mobutu in 1973 Hu Jintao in 2005 Emperor Hirohito in 1971 isnt exactly an uncontroversial choice either!
If you look at the BBC website the highest number of signatures come from Remoaner Labour seats in inner London, Bristol and Green Brighton areas which in the US also voted Hillary by a
So our divided nation continues to be divided. Great. How is that helpful? There was absolutely no need to offer Trump a state visit.
At some stage it was necessary, the Bushes, Reagan, Obama and Clinton had one
Yes, after they had been on official visits and been in power for a couple of years.
Obama and W Bush had one in their first term
Yes, but they made official visits first. The state visits cam after a couple of years. Trump will not countenance an official visit. He wants the Queen. We had to give him what he wanted.
I am sure an official visit in 2017 and waiting on the naughty step until a full dinner with the Queen and carriage ride and 21 gun salute in 2018/19 would really tell Trump, yes!
Who cares what Trump thinks? What interests me is how prostrating ourselves at the feet of such a divisive figure a week into his presidency is seen in the rest of the world and what it does to our standing.
Blair prostrated himself to George W Bush far more and given UK voters have rejected the EU May is hardly going to stick 2 fingers up to the POTUS is she. Turnbull and Netanyahu have also prostrated themselves to Trump far more than May
Another never-ending round of twitter and media outcry for another 24 hours.
Is this what life is like from now on?
It's hilarious. The media has lost its mind - running around headless, RTing everything that confirms their personal prejudices/selectively edits quotes from Bannon - and Trump moves the goalposts in 140 characters or less.
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Neither am I signing. I would much rather give him a hard time on arrival, and Mrs Foxy is wanting a pink knitted hat for the occasion.
It is not just Remania though, in NW Leics (heavily for Leave, ex coal mining seat, former BNP councillors etc) over 1000 have signed.
Given a million signatures overall a 1000 in one seat is pretty average, all the top ten seats with most signatures voted Remain
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Reminds me of the surge towards Corbyn/joining Labour the last two summers
It's very reminiscent of that. It is virtually independent of what it is nominally about.
It's probably a reflection of the point made by Keiran Pedley in the thread header that no one is leading Remainers, so intense dissatisfaction is finding an outlet any way it can.
Hasn't Tim Farron appointed himself to the role as Leader of the Remianers?
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Reminds me of the surge towards Corbyn/joining Labour the last two summers
It's very reminiscent of that. It is virtually independent of what it is nominally about.
It's probably a reflection of the point made by Keiran Pedley in the thread header that no one is leading Remainers, so intense dissatisfaction is finding an outlet any way it can.
Hasn't Tim Farron appointed himself to the role as Leader of the Remianers?
He has. Tim Farron is. No-one.
I'm very hard pushed to think of anyone less appealing as an authority figure than Farron.
He looks like an old teenager, talks like a student union virgin and is terribly self-righteous rather than charming. He couldn't be farther from Paddy or Charlie.
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Neither am I signing. I would much rather give him a hard time on arrival, and Mrs Foxy is wanting a pink knitted hat for the occasion.
It is not just Remania though, in NW Leics (heavily for Leave, ex coal mining seat, former BNP councillors etc) over 1000 have signed.
Given a million signatures overall a 1000 in one seat is pretty average, all the top ten seats with most signatures voted Remain
Now over 1100 in NW Leics. 1.25% of 95 thousand constituents in less than 48 hours, in the most WWC Leics seat.
Trump is as popular in the UK as a turd in a swimming pool. I do hope he comes, the protests will be something to look forwards to.
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Neither am I signing. I would much rather give him a hard time on arrival, and Mrs Foxy is wanting a pink knitted hat for the occasion.
It is not just Remania though, in NW Leics (heavily for Leave, ex coal mining seat, former BNP councillors etc) over 1000 have signed.
Given a million signatures overall a 1000 in one seat is pretty average, all the top ten seats with most signatures voted Remain
Now over 1100 in NW Leics. 1.25% of 95 thousand constituents in less than 48 hours, in the most WWC Leics seat.
Trump is as popular in the UK as a turd in a swimming pool. I do hope he comes, the protests will be something to look forwards to.
Another way of looking at it: over 98% of voters haven't bothered to sign there, and over 90% in even the most Left wing seats.
Another 50,000 signatories to the petition in the last half hour. Even allowing for the fact that it's lunchtime, there seems to be no abatement yet in the flow.
Dear God. You as well?
Trump reduces the mental age of his enemies to about 7.
To be fair, I remember doing exactly this, for about an hour, when the Clarkson petition started. I kept rechecking, and getting all excited, and thinking how scared they must be in the BBC, and Ooh look there's another 5000 in 2 minutes, bwahahahah, but then, on about the third time of checking, I took a hard look at myself and I cringed.
You will cringe at yourself, when you look back.
I'm not signing this petition. It is, however, fascinating to see how fast it is moving.
Reminds me of the surge towards Corbyn/joining Labour the last two summers
It's very reminiscent of that. It is virtually independent of what it is nominally about.
It's probably a reflection of the point made by Keiran Pedley in the thread header that no one is leading Remainers, so intense dissatisfaction is finding an outlet any way it can.
Hasn't Tim Farron appointed himself to the role as Leader of the Remianers?
He has. Tim Farron is. No-one.
I'm very hard pushed to think of anyone less appealing as an authority figure than Farron.
He looks like an old teenager, talks like a student union virgin and is terribly self-righteous rather than charming. He couldn't be farther from Paddy or Charlie.
Look at his interviews soon after the EU referendum result,the man is nearly crying with rage -funny.
Here's a little something you won't find Jeremy Hunt smugly announcing in Parliament. Half of all 2nd year junior doctors are not continuing their specialty training in NHS. This was only 25% in 2011. Where are all these extra consultants going to come from Mr Hunt? The Europeans certainly don't want to come.
Update-10:43PM CST: Syrian Refugees Bashir al-Taweed & Hassan Matti have killed 8 in Quebec City Mosque. Yelled "Allah Akbar" & used AK47s 0 replies 0 retweets 0 likes
HOWEVER it is being spread by Trumpsters and alt-right accounts, and the only source seems to be "Canadian police radio", so treat with EXTREME caution.
That is the problem - if you believe the MSM are totally honest only reporting facts then you dismiss it. If you distrust MSM because they seem habitually to be underestimating Islamic terrorism threats then you welcome it with open arms.
On balance it seems that more terrorist attacks initially blamed on the far right turn out to be Islamic attacks than vice versa.
I agree. And increasingly I mistrust the MSM to give us the facts about Islamic terror, unless it is gouged out of them, or they have no choice. This is especially true in places like Germany, where I know from close friends that the media has been TOLD to keep migrant crime/terror attacks out of the public eye as much as poss.
Esteban Santiago springs to mind. Who knows who did this latest attack? Best to just wait and see
Wait and see? WAIT AND SEE? What is this guff. PB (and the internet) lives off rapid, overhasty judgements, premature ejaculations, precocious misperceptions, and general minute by minute real time errors, howlers and miscalls. And the odd brilliant ahead-of-the-curve news prediction.
It's what makes it fun. The alternative you suggest, sitting here in polite silence until the Mounties maybe give us the answer next Wednesday, is just too ridiculous for words.
Your breathless frothing about human tragedy adds nothing to the site. Stick to your strengths.
And if ever there was an expert on adding nothing to the site...
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2725452/donald-trumps-queen-visit-set-to-be-awkward-thanks-to-duchess-of-cambridge-nude-pics-tweets/
https://twitter.com/AlanMotchell/status/826059334044024832
Are charities allowed to have political positions?
Paul Joseph Watson
The irony of anti-Trump rioters chanting "peaceful protest" after they'd just viciously attacked someone. https://t.co/2M8p1HuDjb
I stand by what i've always said: short-term worse off, medium-term little difference, long-term better off.
(Point of order: it's the embarrassing the Queen part of the petition that weakens it. How about embarrassing the country? Surely that is more important?)
Are corporate bodies like charities allowed to sign petitions? might be a more pertinent question.
I have made my decision on who I will nominate for The United States Supreme Court. It will be announced live on Tuesday at 8:00 P.M. (W.H.)
And perhaps, if the foreigner is a useful one, humouring them by offering a photo opportunity with the Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg woman in the knowledge that THAT, above everything, is what all foreign leaders need, so that they can know that they've really MADE IT in the world?
The British government is in a position of abject humiliation. And it's cocky with it.
Fabian Society
We are an unincorporated membership association (not a company or charity).
I suspect these are mainly genuine entries or genuine mistakes on input. Serious manipulation would involve much bigger numbers and less obvious entries.
Nobel Prizes are supposed to reflect personal achievement.
State Visits recognise the office someone holds.
"We do not discriminate on the basis of nationality, race, religion, not only when it comes to asylum, but on any of our other policies"
So non EU nationals can come and go, get a job etc just like EU Nationals?
Mark Dice
Hey @JohnAvlon your paper published "names" of the Quebec City mosque shooters they found on a parody Reuters account! Bravo. #FakeNews
No confirmation of names that I've seen so far - and conflicting reports of what happened inc that Ally Snack Bar was shouted/dispute between rival factions. I've unfollowed a dozen or more - their opinions are no more worthy than anyone else. They've lost their credibility clothes. A few get it - most don't even after calling everything wrong.
"Police arrest two students – one 'of Moroccan origin' - over the murder of six people shot dead in a Quebec City mosque carnage a day after Canadian PM condemned Trump immigration ban"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4170500/Five-dead-GUNMEN-open-fire-Mosque-Quebec-City.html#comments
As ever in Britain, different rules apply whenever the "royal family" is involved.
Another never-ending round of twitter and media outcry for another 24 hours.
Is this what life is like from now on?
It is not just Remania though, in NW Leics (heavily for Leave, ex coal mining seat, former BNP councillors etc) over 1000 have signed.
It's probably a reflection of the point made by Keiran Pedley in the thread header that no one is leading Remainers, so intense dissatisfaction is finding an outlet any way it can.
At the moment, SCOTUS consists of 5 Catholics and 3 Jews, with those groups accounting for 21% and 2% of the US population.
My tip for the 9th position is William Pryor of Alabama, who has called Roe vs Wade "the worst abomination in the history of constitutional law".
Pryor
Sykes
Gorsuch
Seems to be the shortlist according to err 'Twitter'
Or maybe Kethledge.
Personally I hope he'll go for Ted Cruz
I think we can rule out Obama.
He looks like an old teenager, talks like a student union virgin and is terribly self-righteous rather than charming. He couldn't be farther from Paddy or Charlie.
Trump is as popular in the UK as a turd in a swimming pool. I do hope he comes, the protests will be something to look forwards to.
new thread
http://www.foundationprogramme.nhs.uk/news/story/careers-destination-report-2016