He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Yes, they will. And so will we. It will be a compromise. A fudge. It's what the EU does. You're such a pathetic euro-faggot you can't imagine anything but British defeat. Grow some bollocks.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
The WWC saps will be perfectly happy with cuts in corporation tax keeping the likes of Nissan in their cities while getting the border control and controls on free movement which is what they really voted for when they voted Leave
Following on from the comments about the Armada, it occurs to me that much of European history over the last 500 years or more consists of European countries forming loose coalitions when one member gets too big for their boots and threatens territory. Within a few decades those coalitions are broken and new ones formed against new - or old - threats.
There's something in that for both pro- and anti- EU sides ...
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Following on from the comments about the Armada, it occurs to me that much of European history over the last 500 years or more consists of European countries forming loose coalitions when one member gets too big for their boots and threatens territory. Within a few decades those coalitions are broken and new ones formed against new - or old - threats.
There's something in that for both pro- and anti- EU sides ...
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
If the North East was a country it would have had a significant part of the UK's North Sea Oil.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
Following on from the comments about the Armada, it occurs to me that much of European history over the last 500 years or more consists of European countries forming loose coalitions when one member gets too big for their boots and threatens territory. Within a few decades those coalitions are broken and new ones formed against new - or old - threats.
There's something in that for both pro- and anti- EU sides ...
The EU was of course in part designed to finally bring this process, and the ancillary damage it caused, to an end.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
Yep, the next step in the process of globalisation is Brexit and Trump demolishing the welfare state.
Possibly a good thing, and for Tories not an issue, but it may well be for the Red, Purple and Tartan CDE's.
Trump has a large number of spending priorities, he is no Rand Paul small stater
Trump has cognitive dissonance across numerous areas. He is as one with much of his supporter base.
Following on from the comments about the Armada, it occurs to me that much of European history over the last 500 years or more consists of European countries forming loose coalitions when one member gets too big for their boots and threatens territory. Within a few decades those coalitions are broken and new ones formed against new - or old - threats.
There's something in that for both pro- and anti- EU sides ...
I accept your analogy. Thing is, these days "European countries" - I would argue - includes many outside the traditional continent, eg Canada, NZ, even the USA. Thoughts about "internal" European alliances etc should always include a thought about these. NATO is the ultimate (extant) example of this. Britain should, IMO, further the Five Eyes/UKUSA community, which although global geographically is ultimately a culturally European (and of course, Anglo-) formation of nations. We could/should form an inter-governmental (cf. supranational/federal) union of the Five (UK, USA, Canada, NZ and Australia) in economies, finance and possibly even a degree of free movement. (The Five are already in union in military and intelligence services, and share common law.)
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
If the North East was a country it would have had a significant part of the UK's North Sea Oil.
But it wasn't so it didn't, and if it were, it wouldn't.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
How about you pay me £1000 up front and I'll pay you £50 each year for as long as I live and there's no tax harmonisation ?
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Well quite. Given that the top 1% by income pay 27% of all income tax, we should be welcoming as many of them as possible!
Robertson is leader (in Westminster) of a party committed to the destruction of the UK as a political entity. A country being governed by a party that believes it shouldn't exist is farcical.
Farron would only work if the numbers fit. Not sure I can see that, even with some nice strategic changes to the landscape for the Lib Dems.
My point is that in a NOC Parliament (surely more likely than a Labour majority) it is not inevitable that the leader of the largest party would become the PM. There would be lots of wrangling.
There is no way that the largest opposition party would agree to that!
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
If the north east was a country our government and civil service would be based in Durham rather than London and that cash would stay in the region, as would their personal spending. We would also have a positive balance of payments.
We might even form a free trade area with Scotland and Yorkshire.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
There was a great what if scenario if the channel winds had not prevailed against the Amada. Britain would be an insignificant, poor Catholic outpost where the locals enjoy getting drunk.
May's Brexit vision is truly dystopic for the UK. A dislocated part of Europe, desperately trying to curry favour with the tyrants of the world, cap in hand, and getting poorer.......
It was more nimble English ships and the fireships which destroyed the Armada
That's why your Brexit, and I'm not. You see the world through those tinted glasses.
Just stay the fuck in Italy. What's the problem. You hate us, you like it there, why are you still whingeing on a British political website? We're out. You're Italian. Bye bye and ciao
Exactly. If you really hate Britain, don't live in Britain.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
If the North East was a country it would have had a significant part of the UK's North Sea Oil.
But it wasn't so it didn't, and if it were, it wouldn't.
But it shows that the wealth of a 'country' can vary significantly depending upon when it is independent.
Likewise an independent North East would probably have been a very wealthy country in the 19th century.
The story from France is that Fillon has been wooing Bayrou very hard, and one French site is claiming that a pact has been agreed that, presumably, would see Bayrou in a senior ministry under Fillon.
If true, this would be a huge coup for Fillon. The assumption, I think, was that if Bayrou was likely to back anyone, it was probably Macron. But Fillon has more to offer: Macron - even with Bayrou's support - was by no means certain to make the second round.
The other consequence of this, if true, is that all French opinion polls with Bayrou in need to be discarded.
In the future if Independant UK becomes a successful International free trading Nation how long before EU countries break away to do deals direct with the UK .
You are right, your bout of flu is making you hallucinate.
It has been dreadful. My wife and I have been laid low and I believe it is common across the UK. Indeed I would not be surprised if it accounted for some of the recent NHS pressures.
And yes it was one of my tongue in cheek comments
I came down with it on the 18th of December and only felt normalish in this last week.
Excellent so now we're adding reform of the housing benefit system as one of the ex-post reasons we voted Leave.
Not at all, but it is an obvious source of daft spending that should be turned to whether In or Out.
It's difficult to see the justification for long term, expensive housing subsidies for people just because they live in London.
London accounts for a quarter of the UK's total housing benefits' subsidy.
And probably more of its GDP. So what?
WTF has GDP got to do with housing associations charging £200+ a week in housing benefit for people who have never had a job, and the welfare system permitting it?
As a related point there is also a cultural gulf between classes in the UK that appears significantly greater than many other countries. Even something basic like what people eat - the diet of middle class and working class Britain is (generalising horribly) dramatically different, to an extent that you would not find in Italy or the US.
Yes, that was brought home to me when I was visiting old friends in Switzerland, and had a meal with a senior Novartis director, a communist trade union official who spent years trying to take over the company's staff association, and diverse other people of different jobs and skills - everyone rubbed along perfectly naturally, chatting about their holidays and making notes to get together again. I was trying to envisage Mick Whelan having a pleasant social outing with a Southern Rail director, and struggling.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
The WWC saps will be perfectly happy with cuts in corporation tax keeping the likes of Nissan in their cities while getting the border control and controls on free movement which is what they really voted for when they voted Leave
Cuts in corporation tax and the higher rate of tax mean less public spending, which working class people rely on more than anyone else. A race to the bottom is what many of us who voted to Remain feared and clearly that is what we are now going to get. But if the only way we feel we can compete is to make life tougher and tougher for a large part of the population in the end something will give. And when it does there will no longer be immigrants to blame.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
But in the end the EU will have to go there. It's the inexorable logic of a single currency. And Ireland is a relatively small, weak country. Without the U.K. fighting their corner I predict Ireland will find the EU a much less agreeable place.
What if the EU decides the choice is tax harmonization, or leave the euro, or the EU? What does Ireland do then? Surrender, probably.
Corporate taxes vary by state in the US, and I'm fairly sure they have a single currency.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
y.
Yep, the next step in the process of globalisation is Brexit and Trump demolishing the welfare state.
Possibly a good thing, and for Tories not an issue, but it may well be for the Red, Purple and Tartan CDE's.
In what sense a good thing? (Do you mean in terms of a wake up call for a complacent electorate)?
I don't think that a welfare state is sustainable with an ageing population, with high levels of chronic disease.
Don't be daft. It's the only thing compatible with an aging population.
Its not compatible as it is presently constructed and funded
An aging population is a good thing. A product of medicine and science, which will continue to improve quality of life as we age. We are not turning back.
Unless we're advocating general euthanasia, care will still have to be paid for whether it's done by the state of private means.
If the state steps out, then a comfortable old age will become an exclusive privilege of the rich.
That is not ok.
An aging population is a good thing.
What isn't a good thing (economically) is a forever aging population that expects not to work, and therefore has to be supported by an ever smaller proportion of working age people.
If we all lived to 100, say, and worked until 85 with pensions and benefits all aligned to that, there'd be no problem at all.
The steady state situation where people live longer will be easier to cope with than the demographic transition, where suddenly (in demographic terms - i.e. in a lifetime) life expectancy is extended, and at the same time a bulge in the population now aged 50-65 works its way through, and birth rates fall away. What Japan already has and we are entering is an unprecedented societal challenge that will be as problematic as its already experienced opposite - the boom in young people you get when death rates fall but people continue having large families (broadly the 1800s in the UK, late 20th C in much of Asia and right now in Africa).
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
How about you pay me £1000 up front and I'll pay you £50 each year for as long as I live and there's no tax harmonisation ?
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Seriously, that is your "vision" for a sustainable economic model for post-Brexit Britain? God help us.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
How about you pay me £1000 up front and I'll pay you £50 each year for as long as I live and there's no tax harmonisation ?
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
How about you pay me £1000 up front and I'll pay you £50 each year for as long as I live and there's no tax harmonisation ?
How old are you?
55
Given your risk of demise, that's a rubbish bet for me.
The story from France is that Fillon has been wooing Bayrou very hard, and one French site is claiming that a pact has been agreed that, presumably, would see Bayrou in a senior ministry under Fillon.
If true, this would be a huge coup for Fillon. The assumption, I think, was that if Bayrou was likely to back anyone, it was probably Macron. But Fillon has more to offer: Macron - even with Bayrou's support - was by no means certain to make the second round.
The other consequence of this, if true, is that all French opinion polls with Bayrou in need to be discarded.
Despite any such pact, I think this helps Macron and makes a Macron/Fillon run off more likely.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Odd. Which multinationals supported us leaving again?
But apparently we are supposed to believe that us leaving was somehow the result of multinational lobbying. Okaaaay.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the cer all along.
The WWC saps will be perfectly happy with cuts in corporation tax keeping the likes of Nissan in their cities while getting the border control and controls on free movement which is what they really voted for when they voted Leave
Cuts in corporation tax and the higher rate of tax mean less public spending, which working class people rely on more than anyone else. A race to the bottom is what many of us who voted to Remain feared and clearly that is what we are now going to get. But if the only way we feel we can compete is to make life tougher and tougher for a large part of the population in the end something will give. And when it does there will no longer be immigrants to blame.
youve been racing to the bottom for the last 20 years and appear not to have noticed it.
In the future if Independant UK becomes a successful International free trading Nation how long before EU countries break away to do deals direct with the UK .
You are right, your bout of flu is making you hallucinate.
It has been dreadful. My wife and I have been laid low and I believe it is common across the UK. Indeed I would not be surprised if it accounted for some of the recent NHS pressures.
And yes it was one of my tongue in cheek comments
I came down with it on the 18th of December and only felt normalish in this last week.
It does seem to be more than just a cold - indeed the Queen was out of circulation for 24 days around Christmas with it
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
But in the end the EU will have to go there. It's the inexorable logic of a single currency. And Ireland is a relatively small, weak country. Without the U.K. fighting their corner I predict Ireland will find the EU a much less agreeable place.
What if the EU decides the choice is tax harmonization, or leave the euro, or the EU? What does Ireland do then? Surrender, probably.
Corporate taxes vary by state in the US, and I'm fairly sure they have a single currency.
Which is why nearly every large company in the US is registered in Delaware, rather than NY or CA.
The story from France is that Fillon has been wooing Bayrou very hard, and one French site is claiming that a pact has been agreed that, presumably, would see Bayrou in a senior ministry under Fillon.
If true, this would be a huge coup for Fillon. The assumption, I think, was that if Bayrou was likely to back anyone, it was probably Macron. But Fillon has more to offer: Macron - even with Bayrou's support - was by no means certain to make the second round.
The other consequence of this, if true, is that all French opinion polls with Bayrou in need to be discarded.
Despite any such pact, I think this helps Macron and makes a Macron/Fillon run off more likely.
Good point.
Bayrou leaving the party is most negative for Le Pen, in that essentially none of his votes would transfer to her.
The part of our workforce that is educated, literate and motivated. i.e. European migrants will be precluded or just hacked off from coming here, and our productivity and capital investment is shit. Tax cuts will just make our rich elites wealthier.
To use John M's lovely metaphor.......we'll be left with the square root of fuck all.....
Wow. You must hate your fellow Brits. Yes, many are useless, but there are millions of native Britons who are "educated, literate and motivated". Your answer - seemingly shared by the political elite - is to import people to displace our own. That's exactly why there is a Brexit and Trump democratic ("populist") revolt.
Equally funny is he spouts it from Italy
Many British expats give any other country. The whole way the social elite sticks together rests on that hatred.
Now the "aging population" is becoming an issue, especially elderly people who aren't well-heeled.
Yes. We should euthanise anyone who cannot maintain themselves. It's the only way to regain competitiveness after Brexit.
Seriously though, the prole-hatred is a function of having a very large, low-skilled post-industrial class. Ultimately the only solution is a kulturkampf around re-skilling.
The British WWC, like the fax, is a defunct "technology".
The people running the country for the last 50 years have known this for ages and done zilch
Gone are the days when our politicians used to talk about a high skilled high wage economy, now it's cheap labour and mass immigation.
We should simply sack the bastards and find people with some commitment to their own country.
Prole hatred bubbled to the surface when it became clear that the Left became progressive. Since in the game of Progressive Trumps, Foreigners beat Locals, the result was inevitable.
It is further encouraged by the fact that hating groups has been outlawed in ProgressiveLand - without removing the mindset of hating "out groups". Since it is impossible to be racist against white people, it follows that hating groups of them is OK. So it is an outlet for those who need to express their hatred, but feel socially constrained not to burn crosses on the lawns of their black neighbours.
Add in the fact that by loving all things foreign (and hating all things local), you can pretend to be educated, sophisticated etc.....
I wonder if Tyson has ever asked a working class Italian his/her opinion of the Roma...
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
How about you pay me £1000 up front and I'll pay you £50 each year for as long as I live and there's no tax harmonisation ?
How old are you?
55
Given your risk of demise, that's a rubbish bet for me.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
But in the end the EU will have to go there. It's the inexorable logic of a single currency. And Ireland is a relatively small, weak country. Without the U.K. fighting their corner I predict Ireland will find the EU a much less agreeable place.
What if the EU decides the choice is tax harmonization, or leave the euro, or the EU? What does Ireland do then? Surrender, probably.
Corporate taxes vary by state in the US, and I'm fairly sure they have a single currency.
Switzerland is the ultimate example - every canton (and some are tiny) can set their own taxes... the Swiss franc is pretty healthy!
HOWEVER the EU is not the Swiss Confederation or the United States. It is a centralising, bureaucratic elite rather than a democratic republic.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
If the North East was a country it would have had a significant part of the UK's North Sea Oil.
You mean London would not have got all of SCOTLAND'S oil,
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
If the North East was a country it would have had a significant part of the UK's North Sea Oil.
But it wasn't so it didn't, and if it were, it wouldn't.
But it shows that the wealth of a 'country' can vary significantly depending upon when it is independent.
Likewise an independent North East would probably have been a very wealthy country in the 19th century.
Certainly. But my main point is that North of the Watford Gap (with the exception of parts of Scotland), the U.K. has a very poor standard of living with East Europe the best comparator.
And that one strand of Brexit thinking is to basically just shut up shop there.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Seriously, that is your "vision" for a sustainable economic model for post-Brexit Britain? God help us.
Yep, this is the right wing Tory vision. Oligarchs pushing up the price of property and taking advantage of a low regulation UK in which public services are cut to the bare minimum and job security is next to non-existent. To be fair, this has been pretty obvious from the get-go and people voted for it. Whether they will be happy with the reality is something else entirely, but it is coming.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
How about you pay me £1000 up front and I'll pay you £50 each year for as long as I live and there's no tax harmonisation ?
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
In Ireland, corporation tax is a third rail - only hard core Euronationalists are in favour of harmonisation. It is a genuine red line.
Switzerland is the ultimate example - every canton (and some are tiny) can set their own taxes... the Swiss franc is pretty healthy!
HOWEVER the EU is not the Swiss Confederation or the United States. It is a centralising, bureaucratic elite rather than a democratic republic.
Yes, but it is also one where the individual countries have to sign up, via Treaty, to change the balance of power. The EU Treaties explicitly state that corporate and income tax policy is the exclusive competence of individual countries. This is not an area where the ECJ can easily make a competence grab.
And I simply don't see any circumstances, especially post Brexit, where either Malta or Ireland would sign up to that. (Or, indeed, some of the Eastern European countries.)
Theresa May " I want a hard Brexit " = " I am shit at negotiating and we'll get nothing"
Nope, she is simply recognising the British people voted Leave to regain sovereignty and control of their borders and while she wants the best trading relationship possible with the EU that is non negotiable
We saw a year ago what the alternative approach to dealing with the EU achieved, when Cameron was told to grasp his ankles and assume the position. May's approach has at least learnt from that.
Yes, it was Cameron's very poor renegotiation which led to the Leave vote
my decision to switch from unhappy Remainer to unhappy Leaver.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
If the North East was a country it would have had a significant part of the UK's North Sea Oil.
But it wasn't so it didn't, and if it were, it wouldn't.
But it shows that the wealth of a 'country' can vary significantly depending upon when it is independent.
Likewise an independent North East would probably have been a very wealthy country in the 19th century.
Certainly. But my main point is that North of the Watford Gap (with the exception of parts of Scotland), the U.K. has a very poor standard of living with East Europe the best comparator.
And that one strand of Brexit thinking is to basically just shut up shop there.
I live north of Watford and have worked extensively in Eastern Europe, really your just talking bollocks. Ive also seen some real poverty in France and Italy
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
In Ireland, corporation tax is a third rail - only hard core Euronationalists are in favour of harmonisation. It is a genuine red line.
The same is true in Malta, and - I suspect - Estonia too.
I urge everyone to read Hammond's remarks in Die Welt. I think he summarises the views of many moderate Leavers and Remainers very well. Personally, I've always wanted the closest possible relationship with the EU sans the element of political integration.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the cuer all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Seriously, that is your "vision" for a sustainable economic model for post-Brexit Britain? God help us.
Yep, this is the right wing Tory vision. Oligarchs pushing up the price of property and taking advantage of a low regulation UK in which public services are cut to the bare minimum and job security is next to non-existent. To be fair, this has been pretty obvious from the get-go and people voted for it. Whether they will be happy with the reality is something else entirely, but it is coming.
err that was Gordonomics for 13 years and you voted for more as Mandy said to get filthy rich
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
If the North East was a country it would have had a significant part of the UK's North Sea Oil.
But it wasn't so it didn't, and if it were, it wouldn't.
But it shows that the wealth of a 'country' can vary significantly depending upon when it is independent.
Likewise an independent North East would probably have been a very wealthy country in the 19th century.
Certainly. But my main point is that North of the Watford Gap (with the exception of parts of Scotland), the U.K. has a very poor standard of living with East Europe the best comparator.
And that one strand of Brexit thinking is to basically just shut up shop there.
So everywhere from Northamptonshire to Northumberland has 'a very poor standard of living with East Europe the best comparator'.
Have you ever been north of the Watford Gap ?
And perhaps you might like to explain why if the Midlands and North are such an economic wasteland that so many economic migrants from Eastern Europe have moved there.
Theresa May " I want a hard Brexit " = " I am shit at negotiating and we'll get nothing"
Nope, she is simply recognising the British people voted Leave to regain sovereignty and control of their borders and while she wants the best trading relationship possible with the EU that is non negotiable
We saw a year ago what the alternative approach to dealing with the EU achieved, when Cameron was told to grasp his ankles and assume the position. May's approach has at least learnt from that.
Yes, it was Cameron's very poor renegotiation which led to the Leave vote
my decision to switch from unhappy Remainer to unhappy Leaver.
Cheer up.
Sloppy language from me. I assure you, politics does not make me mope around like some surly teenager. I was hoping to distinguish myself from the more jingoistic leavers who appear to assume that Johnny Foreigner will be cowed by plucky John Bull.
I think Brexit will be shit. I just think a future in the EU would be shittier. It doesn't exactly get the pulse racing. I fully appreciate that I might be wrong. Certainty is for the young, the naive and (apparently) Twitter.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the cer all along.
The WWC saps will be perfectly happy with cuts in corporation tax keeping the likes of Nissan in their cities while getting the border control and controls on free movement which is what they really voted for when they voted Leave
Cuts in corporation tax and the higher rate of tax mean less public spending, which working class people rely on more than anyone else. A race to the bottom is what many of us who voted to Remain feared and clearly that is what we are now going to get. But if the only way we feel we can compete is to make life tougher and tougher for a large part of the population in the end something will give. And when it does there will no longer be immigrants to blame.
youve been racing to the bottom for the last 20 years and appear not to have noticed it.
Agreed, but now we are going to a marathon into a sprint if some get their wish.
The story from France is that Fillon has been wooing Bayrou very hard, and one French site is claiming that a pact has been agreed that, presumably, would see Bayrou in a senior ministry under Fillon.
If true, this would be a huge coup for Fillon. The assumption, I think, was that if Bayrou was likely to back anyone, it was probably Macron. But Fillon has more to offer: Macron - even with Bayrou's support - was by no means certain to make the second round.
The other consequence of this, if true, is that all French opinion polls with Bayrou in need to be discarded.
Despite any such pact, I think this helps Macron and makes a Macron/Fillon run off more likely.
Le Pen leads the latest poll so if Bayrou backs Fillon rather than Macron that makes a Le Pen Fillon run off more likely. Macron though may get Hollande's endorsement if latest reports are to be believed
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the cuer all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Seriously, that is your "vision" for a sustainable economic model for post-Brexit Britain? God help us.
Yep, this is the right wing Tory vision. Oligarchs pushing up the price of property and taking advantage of a low regulation UK in which public services are cut to the bare minimum and job security is next to non-existent. To be fair, this has been pretty obvious from the get-go and people voted for it. Whether they will be happy with the reality is something else entirely, but it is coming.
err that was Gordonomics for 13 years and you voted for more as Mandy said to get filthy rich
why the sudden change of mind ?
Err, no it wasn't. Public services were not cut by the last Labour government, which also took us into the social chapter.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
If the North East was a country it would have had a significant part of the UK's North Sea Oil.
But it wasn't so it didn't, and if it were, it wouldn't.
But it shows that the wealth of a 'country' can vary significantly depending upon when it is independent.
Likewise an independent North East would probably have been a very wealthy country in the 19th century.
Certainly. But my main point is that North of the Watford Gap (with the exception of parts of Scotland), the U.K. has a very poor standard of living with East Europe the best comparator.
And that one strand of Brexit thinking is to basically just shut up shop there.
So everywhere from Northamptonshire to Northumberland has 'a very poor standard of living with East Europe the best comparator'.
Have you ever been north of the Watford Gap ?
And perhaps you might like to explain why if the Midlands and North are such an economic wasteland that so many economic migrants from Eastern Europe have moved there.
Taking into account work-life balance, affordability of housing (to rent or to buy), reliability etc of commuting, etc etc... I'd say life for many north of Watford Gap is better than life for many south of it.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Odd. Which multinationals supported us leaving again?
But apparently we are supposed to believe that us leaving was somehow the result of multinational lobbying. Okaaaay.
This is just hobby socialist mental gymnastics.
Who said anything about Brexit being the result of multinational lobbying? Pure fantasy. It's easy to dismiss an argument if it's one you have made up yourself in the first place.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
ce to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Yep, this is the right wing Tory vision. Oligarchs pushing up the price of property and taking advantage of a low regulation UK in which public services are cut to the bare minimum and job security is next to non-existent. To be fair, this has been pretty obvious from the get-go and people voted for it. Whether they will be happy with the reality is something else entirely, but it is coming.
Without meaning to be rude, is there any politician or govt that would stop you moaning?
We had 6 years of centrist govt, and you criticised them AND the centrist opposition, now we have what you call a right wing Tory govt and a left wing opposition, and you criticise them both as well!
But you don't like changes to the status quo either... I don't get it?!
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
If the North East was a country it would have had a significant part of the UK's North Sea Oil.
But it wasn't so it didn't, and if it were, it wouldn't.
But it shows that the wealth of a 'country' can vary significantly depending upon when it is independent.
Likewise an independent North East would probably have been a very wealthy country in the 19th century.
Certainly. But my main point is that North of the Watford Gap (with the exception of parts of Scotland), the U.K. has a very poor standard of living with East Europe the best comparator.
And that one strand of Brexit thinking is to basically just shut up shop there.
So everywhere from Northamptonshire to Northumberland has 'a very poor standard of living with East Europe the best comparator'.
Have you ever been north of the Watford Gap ?
And perhaps you might like to explain why if the Midlands and North are such an economic wasteland that so many economic migrants from Eastern Europe have moved there.
yup why hasnt the population of Lincolnshire moved to Upper Silesia ?
The part of our workforce that is educated, literate and motivated. i.e. European migrants will be precluded or just hacked off from coming here, and our productivity and capital investment is shit. Tax cuts will just make our rich elites wealthier.
To use John M's lovely metaphor.......we'll be left with the square root of fuck all.....
Wow. revolt.
Equally funny is he spouts it from Italy
Many well-heeled.
Yes. "technology".
The bastards and find people with some commitment to their own country.
Prole hatred bubbled to the surface when it became clear that the Left became progressive. Since in the game of Progressive Trumps, Foreigners beat Locals, the result was inevitable.
It is further encouraged by the fact that hating groups has been outlawed in ProgressiveLand - without removing the mindset of hating "out groups". Since it is impossible to be racist against white people, it follows that hating groups of them is OK. So it is an outlet for those who need to express their hatred, but feel socially constrained not to burn crosses on the lawns of their black neighbours.
Add in the fact that by loving all things foreign (and hating all things local), you can pretend to be educated, sophisticated etc.....
I wonder if Tyson has ever asked a working class Italian his/her opinion of the Roma...
No, prole hatred has been with us since the year dot and has manifested itself in a variety of ways over the centuries, from slavery through to feudalism, horrific working conditions, non access to education and social security, and so on. The idea that the right are happy with working class people going on strike for better working conditions and pay is laughable, as is the idea is interested in ensuring all proles have access to decent housing, transport facilities and affordable heating. The right is only interested in the proles when it wants to win an election or a referendum, and then its modus operandi is to identify one set of proles to paint as hate figures in order to encourage another set to vote in a certain way. The right sees proles as welfare junkies and the enemy within, and holds then in total contempt. And now the right wants to cut the public services that the proles rely on and reduce their job security.
I urge everyone to read Hammond's remarks in Die Welt. I think he summarises the views of many moderate Leavers and Remainers very well. Personally, I've always wanted the closest possible relationship with the EU sans the element of political integration.
That's very much my view too. Like it or not, it is a massive market that is physically very close to us. We want our success to be a beacon to others who don't believe in the ultimate creation of the United States of Europe, but at the same time, they aren't our enemies. They are people who largely share our values, and with whom our histories are tied over thousands of years.
I think the idea that there is an easy Anglosphere trading bloc that we can create, so we can simply forget and ignore the Europeans, is bonkers. Yes, we will get FTAs with Australia, Canada* and NZ. We might even join NAFTA (although that comes with some serious sovereignty issues of its own, and the Trump plans to tax the *profits* on anyone importing to the US, irrespective of Free Trade Agreements, dramatically limits its attractiveness). But distance and timezones matter, and the truth is that there are plenty of EU schemes - such as Open Skies - that we will probably want to be involved in going forward.
Before the referendum, I said we should Leave, but not in anger. The EU just isn't for us. Based on my experience, going into negotiations and saying "we love you, this structure just isn't for us" is far more likely to be productive than willy waving.
* The largest of those, of course, already has an FTA with the EU, and a deal with New Zealand is currently being negotiated. So, our gains are likely to be modest from these compared to being in the EU.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
In Ireland, corporation tax is a third rail - only hard core Euronationalists are in favour of harmonisation. It is a genuine red line.
The same is true in Malta, and - I suspect - Estonia too.
When considering European integration it would be useful and interesting to collect the "ultimate red lines" for each country. Things that if pushed for would collapse support for the EU to the very hard core.
Ireland - corporation tax, what else? UK - probably the European Health service. Which is coming, will be mixed mode in delivery etc.
Theresa May " I want a hard Brexit " = " I am shit at negotiating and we'll get nothing"
Nope, she is simply recognising the British people voted Leave to regain sovereignty and control of their borders and while she wants the best trading relationship possible with the EU that is non negotiable
We saw a year ago what the alternative approach to dealing with the EU achieved, when Cameron was told to grasp his ankles and assume the position. May's approach has at least learnt from that.
Yes, it was Cameron's very poor renegotiation which led to the Leave vote
my decision to switch from unhappy Remainer to unhappy Leaver.
Cheer up.
Sloppy language from me. I assure you, politics does not make me mope around like some surly teenager. I was hoping to distinguish myself from the more jingoistic leavers who appear to assume that Johnny Foreigner will be cowed by plucky John Bull.
I think Brexit will be shit. I just think a future in the EU would be shittier. It doesn't exactly get the pulse racing. I fully appreciate that I might be wrong. Certainty is for the young, the naive and (apparently) Twitter.
Och, i was joshing. Having a slightly gloomy countenance myself, I like to get in on some 'cheer up' action. I might even try out a 'it'll never happen'.
The story from France is that Fillon has been wooing Bayrou very hard, and one French site is claiming that a pact has been agreed that, presumably, would see Bayrou in a senior ministry under Fillon.
If true, this would be a huge coup for Fillon. The assumption, I think, was that if Bayrou was likely to back anyone, it was probably Macron. But Fillon has more to offer: Macron - even with Bayrou's support - was by no means certain to make the second round.
The other consequence of this, if true, is that all French opinion polls with Bayrou in need to be discarded.
Despite any such pact, I think this helps Macron and makes a Macron/Fillon run off more likely.
Le Pen leads the latest poll so if Bayrou backs Fillon rather than Macron that makes a Le Pen Fillon run off more likely. Macron though may get Hollande's endorsement if latest reports are to be believed
The Socialists need to take drastic action, i.e. not field a candidate, if they want to prevent a Fillon v Le Pen run off and a Fillon victory.
Irrespective of Brexit we should be targetting 0% Corporation Tax anyway. Abolish it. Tax the flows of cash to shareholders or debt holders instead. Much more direct. Easier to calculate. Almost impossible to avoid or evade. No allowances or loopholes for clever accountants to play with.
No, prole hatred has been with us since the year dot and has manifested itself in a variety of ways over the centuries, from slavery through to feudalism, horrific working conditions, non access to education and social security, and so on. The idea that the right are happy with working class people going on strike for better working conditions and pay is laughable, as is the idea is interested in ensuring all proles have access to decent housing, transport facilities and affordable heating. The right is only interested in the proles when it wants to win an election or a referendum, and then its modus operandi is to identify one set of proles to paint as hate figures in order to encourage another set to vote in a certain way. The right sees proles as welfare junkies and the enemy within, and holds then in total contempt. And now the right wants to cut the public services that the proles rely on and reduce their job security.
See how easy that was?
And the left sees them as ballot box fodder. Labour has relied on them to vote Labour no matter what. Thankfully the SNP has put a stop to that in Scotland, and UKIP are going to challenge that in many parts of England. Just need similar parties in London and in Wales, and Labour will actually be finished.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not along.
The WWC saps will be perfectly happy with cuts in corporation tax keeping the likes of Nissan in their cities while getting the border control and controls on free movement which is what they really voted for when they voted Leave
Cuts in corporation tax and the higher rate of tax mean less public spending, which working class people rely on more than anyone else. A race to the bottom is what many of us who voted to Remain feared and clearly that is what we are now going to get. But if the only way we feel we can compete is to make life tougher and tougher for a large part of the population in the end something will give. And when it does there will no longer be immigrants to blame.
Why? If lower corporation tax leads to more revenues for the Treasury that means more money for public spending and of course we had a top tax rate higher than in the New Labour years when spending hardly collapsed. Anyway May showed in her conference speech she is no laissez-faire libertarian but what the public voted for was border control and control of free movement and if some tax cuts are needed to ensure the economy remains competitive so be it
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Since when did Britain need to ask Brussels permission to cut its corporate tax rates?
EU corporate tax harmonisation is on the cards; Schauble supports it, and Ireland is presumably shitting itself. See:
No need for anybody to shit themselves, if the Irish don't like whatever the Commission comes up with then they'll vote against it, and it won't happen.
the Irish rolled over in the financial crisis, they'll do it again on tax when the time comes.
If they were ever going to roll over on corporation tax the financial crisis was when they'd have done it, but they didn't.
Rolling over the would have left a huge hole in their numbers which is why Europe stopped pushing
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
I can't see any circumstances where Ireland or Malta would agree to that treaty change. (And it would require treaty change.)
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
In Ireland, corporation tax is a third rail - only hard core Euronationalists are in favour of harmonisation. It is a genuine red line.
The same is true in Malta, and - I suspect - Estonia too.
When considering European integration it would be useful and interesting to collect the "ultimate red lines" for each country. Things that if pushed for would collapse support for the EU to the very hard core.
Ireland - corporation tax, what else? UK - probably the European Health service. Which is coming, will be mixed mode in delivery etc.
If you're going to do that, then you also have to list the countries on the other side who will be pushing for those things. Not so easy.
The part of our workforce that is educated, literate and motivated. i.e. European migrants will be precluded or just hacked off from coming here, and our productivity and capital investment is shit. Tax cuts will just make our rich elites wealthier.
To use John M's lovely metaphor.......we'll be left with the square root of fuck all.....
Wow. revolt.
Equally funny is he spouts it from Italy
Many well-heeled.
Yes. "technology".
The bastards and find people with some commitment to their own country.
Prole hatred bubbled to the surface when it became clear that the Left became progressive. Since in the game of Progressive Trumps, Foreigners beat Locals, the result was inevitable.
It is further encouraged by the fact that hating groups has been outlawed in ProgressiveLand - without removing the mindset of hating "out groups". Since it is impossible to be racist against white people, it follows that hating groups of them is OK. So it is an outlet for those who need to express their hatred, but feel socially constrained not to burn crosses on the lawns of their black neighbours.
Add in the fact that by loving all things foreign (and hating all things local), you can pretend to be educated, sophisticated etc.....
I wonder if Tyson has ever asked a working class Italian his/her opinion of the Roma...
No, prole hatred has been with us since the year dot and has manifested itself in a variety of ways over the centuries, from slavery through to feudalism, horrific working conditions, non access to education and social security, and so on. The idea that the right are happy with working class people going on strike for better working conditions and pay is laughable, as is the idea is interested in ensuring all proles have access to decent housing, transport facilities and affordable heating. The right is only interested in the proles when it wants to win an election or a referendum, and then its modus operandi is to identify one set of proles to paint as hate figures in order to encourage another set to vote in a certain way. The right sees proles as welfare junkies and the enemy within, and holds then in total contempt. And now the right wants to cut the public services that the proles rely on and reduce their job security.
See how easy that was?
The paradigm case of prole hatred in recent years is the Emily Thornberry tweet of St George's flags in Rochester. What is her political affiliation?
Good luck with that - how many of the current oligarchs and global companies pay any significant tax in the UK now. So if we are not going to reduce taxation how are we going to get the Amazons, Googles and Starbucks of this world to pay a fair share of tax. One hint of increasing their tax contributions and most will be off and how ever low your corporation tax someone will beat it. This is a race to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Also curious that the Brexiteers now cheering the "Singapore" option have been strangely quiet on the fact that it would be a City of London only scheme.
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
Milford is the economic father of Brexit and I seem to recall he basically advocates closing down north of the Watford Gap.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
If the North East was a country it would have had a significant part of the UK's North Sea Oil.
But it wasn't so it didn't, and if it were, it wouldn't.
But it shows that the wealth of a 'country' can vary significantly depending upon when it is independent.
Likewise an independent North East would probably have been a very wealthy country in the 19th century.
Certainly. But my main point is that North of the Watford Gap (with the exception of parts of Scotland), the U.K. has a very poor standard of living with East Europe the best comparator.
And that one strand of Brexit thinking is to basically just shut up shop there.
I live north of Watford and have worked extensively in Eastern Europe, really your just talking bollocks. Ive also seen some real poverty in France and Italy
You really can’t lump the whole of England N of Watford Gap into one economic area, can you. Have the previous poster never been to Cheshire?
Irrespective of Brexit we should be targetting 0% Corporation Tax anyway. Abolish it. Tax the flows of cash to shareholders or debt holders instead. Much more direct. Easier to calculate. Almost impossible to avoid or evade. No allowances or loopholes for clever accountants to play with.
Agreed. Tax things that are easily taxable and stop taxing things that can "move". Land value tax something to raise its head again? (Perhaps something for any party - Lib Dems or a new centrist party - to challenge the Conservatives circa 2025?)
Irrespective of Brexit we should be targetting 0% Corporation Tax anyway. Abolish it. Tax the flows of cash to shareholders or debt holders instead. Much more direct. Easier to calculate. Almost impossible to avoid or evade. No allowances or loopholes for clever accountants to play with.
You need to equalise capital gains tax and income tax then, otherwise people will create businesses, accumulate profits, and then liquidate/sell them to convert income to capital gains.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
ce to that bottom that will have the global corporations rubbing their hands and the poor WWC saps in Sunderland and Hartlepool wondering where it all went wrong and realise they were just lobby fodder all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Yep, else entirely, but it is coming.
Without meaning to be rude, is there any politician or govt that would stop you moaning?
We had 6 years of centrist govt, and you criticised them AND the centrist opposition, now we have what you call a right wing Tory govt and a left wing opposition, and you criticise them both as well!
But you don't like changes to the status quo either... I don't get it?!
It's not being rude, it's a fair question. I was pretty happy with the Labour government until Gordon Brown became PM (though I am very glad it was him and not Cameron who was in Downing Street when the crash came).
I did not see the Coalition as particularly centrist, though in comparison to what is coming next it is bound to be seen as such.
My ideal government would be one that is pro-business, pro-capitalist, redistributionist, internationalist in outlook with a first instinct to ensure that its policies advanced the cause of the most vulnerable in society, and certainly did not harm them, and enabled equality of opportunity.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the cuer all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Seriously, that is your "vision" for a sustainable economic model for post-Brexit Britain? God help us.
Yep, this is the right wing Tory vision. Oligarchs pushing up the price of property and taking advantage of a low regulation UK in which public services are cut to the bare minimum and job security is next to non-existent. To be fair, this has been pretty obvious from the get-go and people voted for it. Whether they will be happy with the reality is something else entirely, but it is coming.
err that was Gordonomics for 13 years and you voted for more as Mandy said to get filthy rich
why the sudden change of mind ?
Err, no it wasn't. Public services were not cut by the last Labour government, which also took us into the social chapter.
Spending in the first Blair government was lower than under the Major government and significantly lower than it is even now, I did not notice the NHS collapsing then
The story from France is that Fillon has been wooing Bayrou very hard, and one French site is claiming that a pact has been agreed that, presumably, would see Bayrou in a senior ministry under Fillon.
If true, this would be a huge coup for Fillon. The assumption, I think, was that if Bayrou was likely to back anyone, it was probably Macron. But Fillon has more to offer: Macron - even with Bayrou's support - was by no means certain to make the second round.
The other consequence of this, if true, is that all French opinion polls with Bayrou in need to be discarded.
Despite any such pact, I think this helps Macron and makes a Macron/Fillon run off more likely.
Le Pen leads the latest poll so if Bayrou backs Fillon rather than Macron that makes a Le Pen Fillon run off more likely. Macron though may get Hollande's endorsement if latest reports are to be believed
If he gets Hollande's endorsement, that probably knocks two points off his poll score!
The part of our workforce that is educated, literate and motivated. i.e. European migrants will be precluded or just hacked off from coming here, and our productivity and capital investment is shit. Tax cuts will just make our rich elites wealthier.
To use John M's lovely metaphor.......we'll be left with the square root of fuck all.....
Wow. revolt.
Equally funny is he spouts it from Italy
Many well-heeled.
Yes. "technology".
The bastards and find people with some commitment to their own country.
Prole hatred bubbled to the surface when it became clear that the Left became progressive. Since in the game of Progressive Trumps, Foreigners beat Locals, the result was inevitable.
It is further encouraged by the fact that hating groups has been outlawed in ProgressiveLand - without removing the mindset of hating "out groups". Since it is impossible to be racist against white people, it follows that hating groups of them is OK. So it is an outlet for those who need to express their hatred, but feel socially constrained not to burn crosses on the lawns of their black neighbours.
Add in the fact that by loving all things foreign (and hating all things local), you can pretend to be educated, sophisticated etc.....
I wonder if Tyson has ever asked a working class Italian his/her opinion of the Roma...
No, reduce their job security.
See how easy that was?
The paradigm case of prole hatred in recent years is the Emily Thornberry tweet of St George's flags in Rochester. What is her political affiliation?
Yep, that is one example, for sure; as is "The enemy within".
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the cuer all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Seriously, that is your "vision" for a sustainable economic model for post-Brexit Britain? God help us.
Yep,else entirely, but it is coming.
err that was Gordonomics for 13 years and you voted for more as Mandy said to get filthy rich
why the sudden change of mind ?
Err, no it wasn't. Public services were not cut by the last Labour government, which also took us into the social chapter.
Spending in the first Blair government was lower than under the Major government and significantly lower than it is even now, I did not notice the NHS collapsing then
I urge everyone to read Hammond's remarks in Die Welt. I think he summarises the views of many moderate Leavers and Remainers very well. Personally, I've always wanted the closest possible relationship with the EU sans the element of political integration.
That's very much my view too. Like it or not, it is a massive market that is physically very close to us. We want our success to be a beacon to others who don't believe in the ultimate creation of the United States of Europe, but at the same time, they aren't our enemies. They are people who largely share our values, and with whom our histories are tied over thousands of years.
I think the idea that there is an easy Anglosphere trading bloc that we can create, so we can simply forget and ignore the Europeans, is bonkers. Yes, we will get FTAs with Australia, Canada* and NZ. We might even join NAFTA (although that comes with some serious sovereignty issues of its own, and the Trump plans to tax the *profits* on anyone importing to the US, irrespective of Free Trade Agreements, dramatically limits its attractiveness). But distance and timezones matter, and the truth is that there are plenty of EU schemes - such as Open Skies - that we will probably want to be involved in going forward.
Before the referendum, I said we should Leave, but not in anger. The EU just isn't for us. Based on my experience, going into negotiations and saying "we love you, this structure just isn't for us" is far more likely to be productive than willy waving.
* The largest of those, of course, already has an FTA with the EU, and a deal with New Zealand is currently being negotiated. So, our gains are likely to be modest from these compared to being in the EU.
We should aim to have BOTH a deal with the EU and a deal with our Anglosphere allies. They will be different in content and nature, but should not be mutually exclusive. EU membership means that we cannot do such deals with the Anglosphere, China, Japan, etc.
The story from France is that Fillon has been wooing Bayrou very hard, and one French site is claiming that a pact has been agreed that, presumably, would see Bayrou in a senior ministry under Fillon.
If true, this would be a huge coup for Fillon. The assumption, I think, was that if Bayrou was likely to back anyone, it was probably Macron. But Fillon has more to offer: Macron - even with Bayrou's support - was by no means certain to make the second round.
The other consequence of this, if true, is that all French opinion polls with Bayrou in need to be discarded.
Despite any such pact, I think this helps Macron and makes a Macron/Fillon run off more likely.
Le Pen leads the latest poll so if Bayrou backs Fillon rather than Macron that makes a Le Pen Fillon run off more likely. Macron though may get Hollande's endorsement if latest reports are to be believed
If he gets Hollande's endorsement, that probably knocks two points off his poll score!
All in all Fiji is unbelievable. An absolute must see. We stayed at the Sheraton in Denaru, paradise.
To anyone planning a honeymoon, anniversary or just a getaway I'd highly recommend Fiji. It's not the cheapest place to go, the 7 nights worked out to £2.3k plus £2.5k for flights with Cathay Pacific in club class. But I'd vowed to spend my Trump winnings on enjoying myself and spending time with my, now, fiance. No regrets.
Thanks for everyone's warm wishes from a few days ago as well.
I now have a month in between now and when I start, we're thinking of going to the Philippines, but not sure if it's safe.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the cuer all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Seriously, that is your "vision" for a sustainable economic model for post-Brexit Britain? God help us.
Yep,else entirely, but it is coming.
err that was Gordonomics for 13 years and you voted for more as Mandy said to get filthy rich
why the sudden change of mind ?
Err, no it wasn't. Public services were not cut by the last Labour government, which also took us into the social chapter.
Spending in the first Blair government was lower than under the Major government and significantly lower than it is even now, I did not notice the NHS collapsing then
Spending on the NHS was increased significantly.
Not really until 2004, from 1997-2001 Blair and Brown spent less than Major and Clarke had
The part of our workforce that is educated, literate and motivated. i.e. European migrants will be precluded or just hacked off from coming here, and our productivity and capital investment is shit. Tax cuts will just make our rich elites wealthier.
To use John M's lovely metaphor.......we'll be left with the square root of fuck all.....
Wow. revolt.
Equally funny is he spouts it from Italy
Many well-heeled.
Yes. "technology".
The bastards and find people with some commitment to their own country.
It is further encouraged by the fact that hating groups has been outlawed in ProgressiveLand - without removing the mindset of hating "out groups". Since it is impossible to be racist against white people, it follows that hating groups of them is OK. So it is an outlet for those who need to express their hatred, but feel socially constrained not to burn crosses on the lawns of their black neighbours.
Add in the fact that by loving all things foreign (and hating all things local), you can pretend to be educated, sophisticated etc.....
I wonder if Tyson has ever asked a working class Italian his/her opinion of the Roma...
No, prole hatred has been with us since the year dot and has manifested itself in a variety of ways over the centuries, from slavery through to feudalism, horrific working conditions, non access to education and social security, and so on. The idea that the right are happy with working class people going on strike for better working conditions and pay is laughable, as is the idea is interested in ensuring all proles have access to decent housing, transport facilities and affordable heating. The right is only interested in the proles when it wants to win an election or a referendum, and then its modus operandi is to identify one set of proles to paint as hate figures in order to encourage another set to vote in a certain way. The right sees proles as welfare junkies and the enemy within, and holds then in total contempt. And now the right wants to cut the public services that the proles rely on and reduce their job security.
See how easy that was?
The paradigm case of prole hatred in recent years is the Emily Thornberry tweet of St George's flags in Rochester. What is her political affiliation?
I don’t think Thornberry’s tweet demonstrated ‘hate”. It’s been twisted by the same sort of people who regarded Michael Foots smart “British Warm” as a "donkey jacket”.
I urge everyone to read Hammond's remarks in Die Welt. I think he summarises the views of many moderate Leavers and Remainers very well. Personally, I've always wanted the closest possible relationship with the EU sans the element of political integration.
That's very much my view too. Like it or not, it is a massive market that is physically very close to us. We want our success to be a beacon to others who don't believe in the ultimate creation of the United States of Europe, but at the same time, they aren't our enemies. They are people who largely share our values, and with whom our histories are tied over thousands of years.
I think the idea that there is an easy Anglosphere trading bloc that we can create, so we can simply forget and ignore the Europeans, is bonkers. Yes, we will get FTAs with Australia, Canada* and NZ. We might even join NAFTA (although that comes with some serious sovereignty issues of its own, and the Trump plans to tax the *profits* on anyone importing to the US, irrespective of Free Trade Agreements, dramatically limits its attractiveness). But distance and timezones matter, and the truth is that there are plenty of EU schemes - such as Open Skies - that we will probably want to be involved in going forward.
Before the referendum, I said we should Leave, but not in anger. The EU just isn't for us. Based on my experience, going into negotiations and saying "we love you, this structure just isn't for us" is far more likely to be productive than willy waving.
* The largest of those, of course, already has an FTA with the EU, and a deal with New Zealand is currently being negotiated. So, our gains are likely to be modest from these compared to being in the EU.
We should aim to have BOTH a deal with the EU and a deal with our Anglosphere allies. They will be different in content and nature, but should not be mutually exclusive. EU membership means that we cannot do such deals with the Anglosphere, China, Japan, etc.
We don't disagree. There are some on here - like Luckyguy - who have explicitly called for us to have no relationship with the EU going forward.
My view is that we'll have a series of FTAs with the EU, like Switzerland, and we'll pay to be members of various EU organised bodies (like the European Medicines Agency, Open Skies, the ESA, Erasmus, etc.). In other words, we'll be half way between Canada and Switzerland in terms of access, and cost.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the cuer all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Seriously, that is your "vision" for a sustainable economic model for post-Brexit Britain? God help us.
Yep,else entirely, but it is coming.
err that was Gordonomics for 13 years and you voted for more as Mandy said to get filthy rich
why the sudden change of mind ?
Err, no it wasn't. Public services were not cut by the last Labour government, which also took us into the social chapter.
Spending in the first Blair government was lower than under the Major government and significantly lower than it is even now, I did not notice the NHS collapsing then
Yep, this is the right wing Tory vision. Oligarchs pushing up the price of property and taking advantage of a low regulation UK in which public services are cut to the bare minimum and job security is next to non-existent. To be fair, this has been pretty obvious from the get-go and people voted for it. Whether they will be happy with the reality is something else entirely, but it is coming.
If it is either 50,000 Commercially Important People taking up residence in the UK each year, or a random selection of 300,00 chancers happy to strap themselves to the underside of vehicles to evade our immigration laws - in the best scenario, to become waiters, in the worst, coming here to kill and maim in the name of their religion - then I know which side the British people are going to go for every time. Which doesn't make it a right wing Tory vision.
It makes it what the voters want from their politicians.
But then, they wanted a Referendum on the EU. Which those enlightened liberal souls in Labour and the LibDems fought to prevent for 18 years. And right up to the last election.
He continues to impress, or perhaps is flattered by comparison with his cabinet colleagues.
If we do indeed have a hard Brexit, with the economic dislocation Hammond implies, what is going to give? The country did not vote Brexit in order to dismantle the social welfare system, but logic says it must follow.
Why must our welfare system change if we have 'hard' Brexit?
As Hammond says, we will need to regain competitiveness. The only way to do that is to reduce taxation. In turn this implies further cuts in government spending.
See also, Trump's emerging economic policy.
But we don't have to reduce taxation. We can increase the number of businesses and wealthy individuals basing themselves in the UK.
Want the best health service in the world? Then get another 100,000 oligarchs to live here - and tax them. Get the Fortune 500 companies lured here by world beating corporation tax rates. Set up enterprise zones for world-beating new technologies, with slashed tax rates for the first 10 years.
Do all the stuff where we'll no longer need to go to Brussels to ask for permission.
Good luck with that - how many of the cuer all along.
Every time they buy a 50 million quid crash pad - they pay stamp duty.
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
Seriously, that is your "vision" for a sustainable economic model for post-Brexit Britain? God help us.
Yep,else entirely, but it is coming.
err that was Gordonomics for 13 years and you voted for more as Mandy said to get filthy rich
why the sudden change of mind ?
Err, no it wasn't. Public services were not cut by the last Labour government, which also took us into the social chapter.
Spending in the first Blair government was lower than under the Major government and significantly lower than it is even now, I did not notice the NHS collapsing then
I urge everyone to read Hammond's remarks in Die Welt. I think he summarises the views of many moderate Leavers and Remainers very well. Personally, I've always wanted the closest possible relationship with the EU sans the element of political integration.
That's very much my view too. Like it or not, it is a massive market that is physically very close to us. We want our success to be a beacon to others who don't believe in the ultimate creation of the United States of Europe, but at the same time, they aren't our enemies. They are people who largely share our values, and with whom our histories are tied over thousands of years.
I think the idea that there is an easy Anglosphere trading bloc that we can create, so we can simply forget and ignore the Europeans, is bonkers. Yes, we will get FTAs with Australia, Canada* and NZ. We might even join NAFTA (although that comes with some serious sovereignty issues of its own, and the Trump plans to tax the *profits* on anyone importing to the US, irrespective of Free Trade Agreements, dramatically limits its attractiveness). But distance and timezones matter, and the truth is that there are plenty of EU schemes - such as Open Skies - that we will probably want to be involved in going forward.
Before the referendum, I said we should Leave, but not in anger. The EU just isn't for us. Based on my experience, going into negotiations and saying "we love you, this structure just isn't for us" is far more likely to be productive than willy waving.
* The largest of those, of course, already has an FTA with the EU, and a deal with New Zealand is currently being negotiated. So, our gains are likely to be modest from these compared to being in the EU.
The problem is that you only represent a segment of the Leave voters - as we see by the comments on here and elsewhere for every one of you there is a Leaver consumed with a venomous hatred for the "EUSSR" stoked up for years by the Daily Mail, UKIP etc. Those of us who voted Remain are sitting back with bated breath to see which view predominates. I am not hopeful your more rational view will prevail.
Yep, this is the right wing Tory vision. Oligarchs pushing up the price of property and taking advantage of a low regulation UK in which public services are cut to the bare minimum and job security is next to non-existent. To be fair, this has been pretty obvious from the get-go and people voted for it. Whether they will be happy with the reality is something else entirely, but it is coming.
If it is either 50,000 Commercially Important People taking up residence in the UK each year, or a random selection of 300,00 chancers happy to strap themselves to the underside of vehicles to evade our immigration laws - in the best scenario, to become waiters, in the worst, coming here to kill and maim in the name of their religion - then I know which side the British people are going to go for every time. Which doesn't make it a right wing Tory vision.
It makes it what the voters want from their politicians.
But then, they wanted a Referendum on the EU. Which those enlightened liberal souls in Labour and the LibDems fought to prevent for 18 years. And right up to the last election.
Which they each badly lost.
Yep, that is clearly the choice :-D
I can certainly see how us pulling out of the EU is going to stop people strapping themselves to the underside of vehicles to evade our immigration laws.
I urge everyone to read Hammond's remarks in Die Welt. I think he summarises the views of many moderate Leavers and Remainers very well. Personally, I've always wanted the closest possible relationship with the EU sans the element of political integration.
That's very much my view too. Like it or not, it is a massive market that is physically very close to us. We want our success to be a beacon to others who don't believe in the ultimate creation of the United States of Europe, but at the same time, they aren't our enemies. They are people who largely share our values, and with whom our histories are tied over thousands of years.
I think the idea that there is an easy Anglosphere trading bloc that we can create, so we can simply forget and ignore the Europeans, is bonkers. Yes, we will get FTAs with Australia, Canada* and NZ. We might even join NAFTA (although that comes with some serious sovereignty issues of its own, and the Trump plans to tax the *profits* on anyone importing to the US, irrespective of Free Trade Agreements, dramatically limits its attractiveness). But distance and timezones matter, and the truth is that there are plenty of EU schemes - such as Open Skies - that we will probably want to be involved in going forward.
Before the referendum, I said we should Leave, but not in anger. The EU just isn't for us. Based on my experience, going into negotiations and saying "we love you, this structure just isn't for us" is far more likely to be productive than willy waving.
* The largest of those, of course, already has an FTA with the EU, and a deal with New Zealand is currently being negotiated. So, our gains are likely to be modest from these compared to being in the EU.
We should aim to have BOTH a deal with the EU and a deal with our Anglosphere allies. They will be different in content and nature, but should not be mutually exclusive. EU membership means that we cannot do such deals with the Anglosphere, China, Japan, etc.
We don't disagree. There are some on here - like Luckyguy - who have explicitly called for us to have no relationship with the EU going forward.
My view is that we'll have a series of FTAs with the EU, like Switzerland, and we'll pay to be members of various EU organised bodies (like the European Medicines Agency, Open Skies, the ESA, Erasmus, etc.). In other words, we'll be half way between Canada and Switzerland in terms of access, and cost.
Staying in the EMA without being in the EEA would require very significant change in the legal structure on their side. There's no reason for them to offer it, no matter how much we want to pay.
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What happened to last night's "Hard Brexit is the greatest thing ever"?
Now its different, tax equalisation is on the agenda
A trade war to boost the city will not help the Nissan workers.
It makes sense from an ultra-free market perspective. We are literally subsidising non productivity.
If the North East was a country, it would have a lower standard of living than the Czech Republic.
There's something in that for both pro- and anti- EU sides ...
Every time they buy another McLaren or Ferrari supercar - they pay VAT.
A few more nurses get paid for every time they take their latest lady off to the shops.
How about a bet: you pay me £50 every year, and if the EU Treaties change to allow corporate tax harmonisation (or even to allow the EU to set a floor), then I'll pay you £1,000. Bet voids on dissolution of the EU.
Unleash the British bulldogs on the EUro-nads.....
https://twitter.com/patrickwintour/status/820590181011116032
We might even form a free trade area with Scotland and Yorkshire.
Likewise an independent North East would probably have been a very wealthy country in the 19th century.
The story from France is that Fillon has been wooing Bayrou very hard, and one French site is claiming that a pact has been agreed that, presumably, would see Bayrou in a senior ministry under Fillon.
If true, this would be a huge coup for Fillon. The assumption, I think, was that if Bayrou was likely to back anyone, it was probably Macron. But Fillon has more to offer: Macron - even with Bayrou's support - was by no means certain to make the second round.
The other consequence of this, if true, is that all French opinion polls with Bayrou in need to be discarded.
I came down with it on the 18th of December and only felt normalish in this last week.
But apparently we are supposed to believe that us leaving was somehow the result of multinational lobbying. Okaaaay.
This is just hobby socialist mental gymnastics.
Bayrou leaving the party is most negative for Le Pen, in that essentially none of his votes would transfer to her.
It is further encouraged by the fact that hating groups has been outlawed in ProgressiveLand - without removing the mindset of hating "out groups". Since it is impossible to be racist against white people, it follows that hating groups of them is OK. So it is an outlet for those who need to express their hatred, but feel socially constrained not to burn crosses on the lawns of their black neighbours.
Add in the fact that by loving all things foreign (and hating all things local), you can pretend to be educated, sophisticated etc.....
I wonder if Tyson has ever asked a working class Italian his/her opinion of the Roma...
HOWEVER the EU is not the Swiss Confederation or the United States. It is a centralising, bureaucratic elite rather than a democratic republic.
But my main point is that North of the Watford Gap (with the exception of parts of Scotland), the U.K. has a very poor standard of living with East Europe the best comparator.
And that one strand of Brexit thinking is to basically just shut up shop there.
And I simply don't see any circumstances, especially post Brexit, where either Malta or Ireland would sign up to that. (Or, indeed, some of the Eastern European countries.)
why the sudden change of mind ?
Have you ever been north of the Watford Gap ?
And perhaps you might like to explain why if the Midlands and North are such an economic wasteland that so many economic migrants from Eastern Europe have moved there.
I think Brexit will be shit. I just think a future in the EU would be shittier. It doesn't exactly get the pulse racing. I fully appreciate that I might be wrong. Certainty is for the young, the naive and (apparently) Twitter.
We had 6 years of centrist govt, and you criticised them AND the centrist opposition, now we have what you call a right wing Tory govt and a left wing opposition, and you criticise them both as well!
But you don't like changes to the status quo either... I don't get it?!
See how easy that was?
I think the idea that there is an easy Anglosphere trading bloc that we can create, so we can simply forget and ignore the Europeans, is bonkers. Yes, we will get FTAs with Australia, Canada* and NZ. We might even join NAFTA (although that comes with some serious sovereignty issues of its own, and the Trump plans to tax the *profits* on anyone importing to the US, irrespective of Free Trade Agreements, dramatically limits its attractiveness). But distance and timezones matter, and the truth is that there are plenty of EU schemes - such as Open Skies - that we will probably want to be involved in going forward.
Before the referendum, I said we should Leave, but not in anger. The EU just isn't for us. Based on my experience, going into negotiations and saying "we love you, this structure just isn't for us" is far more likely to be productive than willy waving.
* The largest of those, of course, already has an FTA with the EU, and a deal with New Zealand is currently being negotiated. So, our gains are likely to be modest from these compared to being in the EU.
Ireland - corporation tax, what else?
UK - probably the European Health service. Which is coming, will be mixed mode in delivery etc.
Having a slightly gloomy countenance myself, I like to get in on some 'cheer up' action. I might even try out a 'it'll never happen'.
I did not see the Coalition as particularly centrist, though in comparison to what is coming next it is bound to be seen as such.
My ideal government would be one that is pro-business, pro-capitalist, redistributionist, internationalist in outlook with a first instinct to ensure that its policies advanced the cause of the most vulnerable in society, and certainly did not harm them, and enabled equality of opportunity.
https://twitter.com/benjaminhaddad/status/820409090283278336
All in all Fiji is unbelievable. An absolute must see. We stayed at the Sheraton in Denaru, paradise.
To anyone planning a honeymoon, anniversary or just a getaway I'd highly recommend Fiji. It's not the cheapest place to go, the 7 nights worked out to £2.3k plus £2.5k for flights with Cathay Pacific in club class. But I'd vowed to spend my Trump winnings on enjoying myself and spending time with my, now, fiance. No regrets.
Thanks for everyone's warm wishes from a few days ago as well.
I now have a month in between now and when I start, we're thinking of going to the Philippines, but not sure if it's safe.
My view is that we'll have a series of FTAs with the EU, like Switzerland, and we'll pay to be members of various EU organised bodies (like the European Medicines Agency, Open Skies, the ESA, Erasmus, etc.). In other words, we'll be half way between Canada and Switzerland in terms of access, and cost.
It makes it what the voters want from their politicians.
But then, they wanted a Referendum on the EU. Which those enlightened liberal souls in Labour and the LibDems fought to prevent for 18 years. And right up to the last election.
Which they each badly lost.
I can certainly see how us pulling out of the EU is going to stop people strapping themselves to the underside of vehicles to evade our immigration laws.