Of course Quisling has Nazi connections.. He was the Nazi puppet who betrayed Norway so that his name is a synonym for traitor, which is why he was shot in Oslo after the war.
I know that, you know that, but this is 2016 we're in, the year I learned Hitler was a Zionist.
BudG There is almost no way Corbyn or McDonnell will not be leading Labour into the next general election given Corbyn's comfortable reelection by Labour party members
BudG There is almost no way Corbyn or McDonnell will not be leading Labour into the next general election given Corbyn's comfortable reelection by Labour party members
Care to put a price on that?
Almost no way translates like an least 100/1 bet to me
BudG There is almost no way Corbyn or McDonnell will not be leading Labour into the next general election given Corbyn's comfortable reelection by Labour party members
Well the Betfair markets say otherwise, the midpoint in the betting for him to go before the next election is around 2.20. And McD is pretty unlikely to succeed him i would have thought.
Anyone know why Farage was over to see Trump again yesterday?
Wanting a job, Farage is wanting to be a modern day Quisling.
That comment is beneath you. The Americans even under Trump are no Nazis and we are not occupied and Farage won't be leading a collaborators government.
1) Your outrage would be more plausible if you could direct me to similar posts by you when SeanT calls Remainers traitors
2) I was assured by a Leaver on here that Quisling has no Nazi connotations, it is merely a reference for someone working for a foreign country for the benefit of their home country.
But I thought your standards were higher than theirs ?
While both are massive arses (IMO), Trump is not Hitler, and Farage, while very far from being a patriot, is not a Quisling.
BudG Betfair can say what it likes but there is no way the Labour membership will accept a non Corbynista leading them at the next election. Corbyn will almost certainly do so unless he stands down which is very unlikely and if he were to do so it would only be for McDonnell
BudG There is almost no way Corbyn or McDonnell will not be leading Labour into the next general election given Corbyn's comfortable reelection by Labour party members
Well the Betfair markets say otherwise, the midpoint in the betting for him to go before the next election is around 2.20. And McD is pretty unlikely to succeed him i would have thought.
Corbyn to NOT go at around 1.75ish midpoint is a big price.
Of course Quisling has Nazi connections.. He was the Nazi puppet who betrayed Norway so that his name is a synonym for traitor, which is why he was shot in Oslo after the war.
I know that, you know that, but this is 2016 we're in, the year I learned Hitler was a Zionist.
The Blackburn result puts UKIP into some context. It is immensely patronising and very middle class to believe that having a hard-right, economically bone dry leader with a Scouse accent is going to see working class Labour voters flocking to back UKIP. The party has to put in a lot more work than that. Immigration could be a major calling card for UKIP, but it needs to be combined with other stuff as well. That fabled left turn actually has to happen. Nuttall is not on the left in any meaningful way, neither is UKIP's membership.
The SNP defeated Labour in Scotland by putting in the very hard yards: years and years of local campaigning and taking social democratic positions in a way that alienated and ultimately drove away the party's centre-right, nationalist stalwarts.
Anyone know why Farage was over to see Trump again yesterday?
Now that Farage has made his contempt for the UKIP rank and file abundantly clear, it's surely the case that he and Banks will try creating a new Trumpite political party in Britain next year. I suspect the latest pilgrimage to the Daddy was about securing some kind of endorsement and/or funding.
Banks was interviewed on PM a couple of nights ago, the slightly kid gloves 'Lunch with' thing. Apart from denying loads of his quotes from his Brexit book (the stuff printed in 'his' book, with 'his' name on the front), he said he & Nige would be looking to set up high profile independents to run in elections/by elections under the 'Drain the Swamp' mission statement. I slightly got the feeling that Nige may not have been fully consulted on this.
Interesting. Sounds as if Banks sees himself as the Trump figure with Farage as a kind of human Breitbart. But Bank will definitely need the Farage alchemy though, otherwise we're in Kilroy-Silk territory.
Of course Quisling has Nazi connections.. He was the Nazi puppet who betrayed Norway so that his name is a synonym for traitor, which is why he was shot in Oslo after the war.
I know that, you know that, but this is 2016 we're in, the year I learned Hitler was a Zionist.
You can either criticise that behaviour or partake in it. Doing both does you no favours.
And as any Momentum activist will tell you, there are plenty of Tories in the Labour party.
Any residual 'progressive' toxicity from going into coalition will be long forgotten by the time of the next election. The longer this parliament drags on, the weaker Labour and the Conservatives will get, and the greater the chance of an earthquake realignment.
This is a big reason why Leave voters don't speak for the country. They assume that everyone thinks like them, but some are just cowed and afraid. The reality is very different. The silent majority has not yet spoken.
'Well they wanted to widen the debate. And to be honest, I think they've achieved that goal, the debates are pretty wide right now.'
Not quite my point. As Acting Opposition Leader in July 2015 , Harman made the Shadow Cabinet abstain on the Welfare Reforms announced in Osborne's post-election Budget.This caused outrage in the party and meant that Corbyn was the only leadership contender able to oppose them - the other three candidates felt obliged to abstain. With hindsight they should have stepped down from the Shadow Cabinet for the duration of the contest.As it was, Corbyn gained great momentum from Harman's fiasco - and never looked back.It was a disastrous decision by Harman - and her judgement was appalling.
This is a big reason why Leave voters don't speak for the country. They assume that everyone thinks like them, but some are just cowed and afraid. The reality is very different. The silent majority has not yet spoken.
We've now enough evidence to show that something is going on with the Lib Dem vote. But not I feel enough evidence to show what that thing is. The adopt Occam's Razor it may just be that people who always liked having Lib Dem Councillors and only got rid of them because of the Brand Toxicity are missing the product.
We have to remember quite how catastrophic 2010 to 2015 was for the party. It went far beyond reducing them to a core. It cut deep into the none. Heartlands returning now Brexit has given voters psychological permission to ignore past sins seems quite reasonable.
This is a big reason why Leave voters don't speak for the country. They assume that everyone thinks like them, but some are just cowed and afraid. The reality is very different. The silent majority has not yet spoken.
While Remain voters think Leave voters were motivated just by immigration whereas the evidence is sovereignty (aka taking back control) was the main motivation.
Thankfully the silent majority has spoken. With a majority of an impressive 1.5 million voters.
Is it really sensible to start getting excited over a couple of obscure council by elections in the second week of December? If the liberals were ahead in parliamentary seats consistently in polling figures, especially in Leave areas, then maybe something is changing. As titillating as this is for one or two of the hard core liberals here, and a little bit of Christmas cheer, it's virtually inconsequential in the real world. Let's see what happens when the serious business of choosing a national government is put to the people of the South West.
This is a big reason why Leave voters don't speak for the country. They assume that everyone thinks like them, but some are just cowed and afraid. The reality is very different. The silent majority has not yet spoken.
While Remain voters think Leave voters were motivated just by immigration whereas the evidence is sovereignty (aka taking back control) was the main motivation.
Thankfully the silent majority has spoken. With a majority of an impressive 1.5 million voters.
A majority of 1.5 million is impressive?
Pah, NO2AV won with a majority of just under 7 million votes
Yes/Remain/Stay won the 1975 referendum by nearly 9 million votes
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Also entertaining though local By-elections are the Lib Dems are thousands of seats short of the base the 1997 parliamentary breakthrough was based on. It'll take great results in at least two cycles ( 8 years ) to approach that strength again. The MEP base isn't coming back. And we've already had the GLA, Sennedd and Scots parliament elections for this cycle. In the first two the party went backwards.
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I'm afraid it will have no great impact Mr Meeks when the content is paywalled to high heaven thus allowing noone who doesn't want to hand over readies to Nikkei Inc to read it
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Though all that said Brexit does change everything. I'd set a long forgiveness curve for the Lib Dems. If you'd told me on June 23rd I'd be donating to a Lib Dem by-election campaign by December I'd have laughed. But it's like the West's alliance with Stalin.
This is a big reason why Leave voters don't speak for the country. They assume that everyone thinks like them, but some are just cowed and afraid. The reality is very different. The silent majority has not yet spoken.
While Remain voters think Leave voters were motivated just by immigration whereas the evidence is sovereignty (aka taking back control) was the main motivation.
Thankfully the silent majority has spoken. With a majority of an impressive 1.5 million voters.
A majority of 1.5 million is impressive?
Pah, NO2AV won with a majority of just under 7 million votes
Yes/Remain/Stay won the 1975 referendum by nearly 9 million votes
In 2005 the government got less than 800k more than the opposition. Scottish Independence was defeated by less than 400k Quebec independence by less than 55k Welsh assembly went through by 7k
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I'm afraid it will have no great impact Mr Meeks when the content is paywalled to high heaven thus allowing noone who doesn't want to hand over readies to Nikkei Inc to read it
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This is a big reason why Leave voters don't speak for the country. They assume that everyone thinks like them, but some are just cowed and afraid. The reality is very different. The silent majority has not yet spoken.
While Remain voters think Leave voters were motivated just by immigration whereas the evidence is sovereignty (aka taking back control) was the main motivation.
Thankfully the silent majority has spoken. With a majority of an impressive 1.5 million voters.
A majority of 1.5 million is impressive?
Pah, NO2AV won with a majority of just under 7 million votes
Yes/Remain/Stay won the 1975 referendum by nearly 9 million votes
In 2005 the government got less than 800k more than the opposition. Scottish Independence was defeated by less than 400k Quebec independence by less than 55k Welsh assembly went through by 7k
So yes 1.5 million is impressive.
Can you list the electorate sizes for those referendum?
Also the Lb Dems are split. They split 5/3/1 on last week's A50 timetable. Being anti Brexit ( whike actually favouring Soft Brexit ) is like Tuition Fees. A great policy for as long as you never have power to implement it.
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This is a big reason why Leave voters don't speak for the country. They assume that everyone thinks like them, but some are just cowed and afraid. The reality is very different. The silent majority has not yet spoken.
While Remain voters think Leave voters were motivated just by immigration whereas the evidence is sovereignty (aka taking back control) was the main motivation.
Thankfully the silent majority has spoken. With a majority of an impressive 1.5 million voters.
A majority of 1.5 million is impressive?
Pah, NO2AV won with a majority of just under 7 million votes
Yes/Remain/Stay won the 1975 referendum by nearly 9 million votes
Don't forget Hillary winning the the pv by 2.8 million!
@Luckyguy1983 If the economy goes tits up whislt we're in the process of departing we might not fully leave since people will change their mind was the jist.
By all accounts it was an accident and he did the right thing and went to assist the guy
The back story to this is that it happened months ago, the person hurt hasn't complained etc, and it was another cyclist who is enraged by a recent comment made by Grayling in regards to cyclists and now has gone to the media to make a big stink.
I am no fan of Grayling, but this is pretty low nasty stuff.
By all accounts it was an accident and he did the right thing and went to assist the guy
The back story to this is that it happened months ago, the person hurt hasn't complained etc, and it was another cyclist who is enraged by a recent comment made by Grayling in regards to cyclists and now has gone to the media to make a big stink.,
Personally I have little sympathy for cyclist that undertake on the curb side. Yes we should all be careful when opening car doors, but I think when you go up the inside like that on a bike you should do so very slowly.
Re the discussion earlier on this thread about pubs named after politicians, when I lived in Fulham there was a Clem Attlee pub there (since demolished).
Typical Guardian reporting. Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 has nothing to do with the opening of doors. They probably mean Section 108 of the The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
Should the cyclist with the cam really be heading up the inside of the buses ?
London cycling looks very different to Derbyshire !
Unless there is a dedicated cycle lane there, probably not. Rule 163 of the highway code states "only overtake on the left if the vehicle in front is signalling to turn right, and there is room to do so". As far as I am aware these regs apply to all road vehicles.
Typical Guardian reporting. Section 42 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 has nothing to do with the opening of doors. They probably mean Section 108 of the The Road Vehicles (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986.
Sounds like that "Fake News" that everyone is worrying about.
"Allowing for this, we can calculate that the new paper implies that the impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 percent, over a period of 8 years. With average wages in this sector of about £8 an hour, that amounts to a reduction in annual pay rises of about a penny an hour.
So in my view the news in this latest paper is not “new evidence shows for the first time migration depresses wages”. Rather, it is “economists revise down estimates for wage impacts of migration on low skilled workers – from small to very small”."
"Allowing for this, we can calculate that the new paper implies that the impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 percent, over a period of 8 years. With average wages in this sector of about £8 an hour, that amounts to a reduction in annual pay rises of about a penny an hour.
So in my view the news in this latest paper is not “new evidence shows for the first time migration depresses wages”. Rather, it is “economists revise down estimates for wage impacts of migration on low skilled workers – from small to very small”."
Yes I bet all the people who have seen their wages frozen for a decade are cock a hoop!
"Allowing for this, we can calculate that the new paper implies that the impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 percent, over a period of 8 years. With average wages in this sector of about £8 an hour, that amounts to a reduction in annual pay rises of about a penny an hour.
So in my view the news in this latest paper is not “new evidence shows for the first time migration depresses wages”. Rather, it is “economists revise down estimates for wage impacts of migration on low skilled workers – from small to very small”."
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While both are massive arses (IMO), Trump is not Hitler, and Farage, while very far from being a patriot, is not a Quisling.
Last night's by-election results show the party can triumph by building anti-Tory coalitions.
http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2016/12/why-lib-dems-can-win-leave-seats
Why do Leave voters think people voted Remain? 43% think it was because of a fear of change, just 10% said economy https://t.co/nOIzibeQD4 https://t.co/TKFTJrMWqJ
Any residual 'progressive' toxicity from going into coalition will be long forgotten by the time of the next election. The longer this parliament drags on, the weaker Labour and the Conservatives will get, and the greater the chance of an earthquake realignment.
Not quite my point. As Acting Opposition Leader in July 2015 , Harman made the Shadow Cabinet abstain on the Welfare Reforms announced in Osborne's post-election Budget.This caused outrage in the party and meant that Corbyn was the only leadership contender able to oppose them - the other three candidates felt obliged to abstain. With hindsight they should have stepped down from the Shadow Cabinet for the duration of the contest.As it was, Corbyn gained great momentum from Harman's fiasco - and never looked back.It was a disastrous decision by Harman - and her judgement was appalling.
We have to remember quite how catastrophic 2010 to 2015 was for the party. It went far beyond reducing them to a core. It cut deep into the none. Heartlands returning now Brexit has given voters psychological permission to ignore past sins seems quite reasonable.
Thankfully the silent majority has spoken. With a majority of an impressive 1.5 million voters.
F1: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38335169
Williams ready to release Bottas if they can find a replacement. Sounds very much like he's going to Mercedes.
Bit irked I didn't get on that specific bet, but 26 each way for the title is ok.
Pah, NO2AV won with a majority of just under 7 million votes
Yes/Remain/Stay won the 1975 referendum by nearly 9 million votes
https://www.ft.com/content/f6b81c52-c2be-11e6-81c2-f57d90f6741a?ftcamp=published_links/rss/brussels/feed//product
Sometimes things are so bad you just have to.
Scottish Independence was defeated by less than 400k
Quebec independence by less than 55k
Welsh assembly went through by 7k
So yes 1.5 million is impressive.
Looks like alot of wishful thinking from here.
< Chris Grayling could face private prosecution for ‘dooring’ cyclist
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/16/chris-grayling-could-face-private-prosecution-for-dooring-cyclist?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
The back story to this is that it happened months ago, the person hurt hasn't complained etc, and it was another cyclist who is enraged by a recent comment made by Grayling in regards to cyclists and now has gone to the media to make a big stink.
I am no fan of Grayling, but this is pretty low nasty stuff.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/dec/16/switzerland-u-turn-quotas-on-eu-workers-immigration?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
London cycling looks very different to Derbyshire !
http://tinyurl.com/h6qsc3b
Personally I have little sympathy for cyclist that undertake on the curb side. Yes we should all be careful when opening car doors, but I think when you go up the inside like that on a bike you should do so very slowly.
http://www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/how-small-small-impact-immigration-uk-wages
"Allowing for this, we can calculate that the new paper implies that the impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 percent, over a period of 8 years. With average wages in this sector of about £8 an hour, that amounts to a reduction in annual pay rises of about a penny an hour.
So in my view the news in this latest paper is not “new evidence shows for the first time migration depresses wages”. Rather, it is “economists revise down estimates for wage impacts of migration on low skilled workers – from small to very small”."
(So says Werner Herzog's documentary film "LO....and Behold", which I am currently watching)
NIESR.
Makes the FT look unbiased.
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