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  • dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,301
    First unlike The Green Party.
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    Second. Like van der Bellen in Austria.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,382
    edited December 2016
    Farage will be on QT next week for I think the 32nd time. Pandering seems a mild word for it.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    Maybe they're looking at the national opinion polls Mike? The ones where the Lib Dems can't get out of single figures and UKIP is in the low-mid teens.
  • david_herdsondavid_herdson Posts: 17,995
    Brexit is the biggest issue of the day. UKIP has something to say about it. They're also still polling third across the country and have a track record in real elections, as recently as this May. They are a major party.
  • PeterCPeterC Posts: 1,275
    edited December 2016
    Is not the rough benchmark votes the previous GE, not byelections? Objectively UKIP has greater claim on coverage than the LibDems.
  • EssexitEssexit Posts: 1,963
    PeterC said:

    Is not the rough benchmark is votes the previous GE, not byelections? Objectively UKIP has greater claim on coverage than the LibDems.

    As a Lib Dem, Mike wants PR for seats in Parliament but not representation on TV.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    david_herdson said:

    Brexit is the biggest issue of the day. UKIP has something to say about it. They're also still polling third across the country and have a track record in real elections, as recently as this May. They are a major party.

    No they are a minor party as are the Lib Dems. There are only two major parties in England.
  • logical_songlogical_song Posts: 9,944
    Philip_Thompson said:

    david_herdson said:

    Brexit is the biggest issue of the day. UKIP has something to say about it. They're also still polling third across the country and have a track record in real elections, as recently as this May. They are a major party.

    No they are a minor party as are the Lib Dems. There are only two major parties in England.
    ... and only one in Scotland.
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited December 2016
    Austria: the Financial Times is asking "What would a far-right president mean for Austria?"

    The BBC are stating he would be the "first far-right head of state in the EU" - a caption that seems to try to cater to opposing markets, because it won't take many such heads of state before the EU ceases to exist.

    The Daily Mirror, meanwhile, state that Europe could get "its first far-right leader since the Second World War" - moronically forgetting about Franco and Salazar. Idiots. Even the supposedly "fact-checky" New York Times makes the same error.

    But the whole presentation rests on "first". Cf. the propaganda for gay marriage. There will be a single source for this line.

    The televised debate between van der Bellen and Hofer was dingdong. Hofer accused his opponent of having been a Stasi agent.

    My feeling is that a Hofer win will have been pushed for by covert agencies not just in Russia, but also in the US and Britain. He's practically got this in the bag. He's at 1.45.

    Italy: Grillo, who will also win - a vote for NO is a vote to bring down prime minister Renzi - is at 1.37.

  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    This so misses the point. The BBC loves to interview and give airtime to UKIP because it allows them to vent their liberal, moderate, socially so right on perspective and sound deliciously hard and edgy while doing it. They would be quite lost without them.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    The BBC shouldn't be deciding who is important or now. There is a formuls which - rightly - heavily weights the last general election. Both the LibDems and UKIP are minor parties and should be treated as such
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    It seems that everyone has forgotten about President Waldheim. Austria already has experience of having a pariah head of state.
  • AlastairMeeksAlastairMeeks Posts: 30,340
    There should have been a Lib Dem on Any Questions last night. There remains a substantial portion of the population that backs UKIP's backward-looking little Englander credo, so that voice should be heard regularly also.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 62,075
    Mr. Charles, I agree.
  • DadgeDadge Posts: 2,052
    fpt MarqueeMark - why do you think Labour will start to slide in Birmingham? The other three main parties all have a strong base here but generally speaking Labour has been getting more and more entrenched in Westminster elections, and they continue to have strong support and a strong machine.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    edited December 2016
    The BBC could always stop putting z-list celebs, comedians, washed up musicians, etc on the QT panels....they add nothing to the program. That would free up a seat for Lib Dems, UKIP, etc.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Anyone who believes that the BBC has some kind of institutional right-wing bias really hasn't been paying attention.
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    Black_Rook said:

    Anyone who believes that the BBC has some kind of institutional right-wing bias really hasn't been paying attention.

    Replace "right" with "left" in that statement and it becomes true.
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    AlastairMeeks said:

    It seems that everyone has forgotten about President Waldheim. Austria already has experience of having a pariah head of state.

    You are quite right, but Waldheim didn't run for president on a far-right ticket.
  • CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Charles, I agree.

    I knew you were a sensible chap
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    Totally O/T but the Paddy Power Steward advert is just excellent.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    Charles said:

    Morris_Dancer said:

    Mr. Charles, I agree.

    I knew you were a sensible chap
    And a jolly good author (if far too modest to mention it).
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,587
    For info: the first Austrian results showing a trend are expected at 16.00 Austrian time (i.e. 1500 here). A firmer prognosis including postal votes is expected between 1715 and 1730 Austrian time. Details in German:

    http://tv.orf.at/highlights/programmschwerpunkt/bundespraesidenten_wahlsonntag100.html
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @faisalislam: In an exclusive interview @Jeremycorbyn tells @skynews that the Opposition will put down an amendment to any Article 50 bill after SC case
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,291
    Agree with OGH. Ignoring the LibDems when at least a good second in the by-election was foreseeable weeks ago, particularly when there was no official Tory nor UKIP candidate and Labour was always likely to do badly, is not acceptable.

    And, yes, the moronic Peter Whittle is turning the programme into a shouting match.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited December 2016
    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Anyone who believes that the BBC has some kind of institutional right-wing bias really hasn't been paying attention.

    Replace "right" with "left" in that statement and it becomes true.
    The BBC's news operation has an established history of cross-pollination with the Guardian, and it currently employs an ex-Labour cabinet minister as Director of Radio.

    Apart from that, nothing to see here.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,899
    FrancisUrquhart said:

    The BBC could always stop putting z-list celebs, comedians, washed up musicians, etc on the QT panels....they add nothing to the program. That would free up a seat for Lib Dems, UKIP, etc.

    They could use the extra spot to highlight local issues, like having someone from the Save Fabric campaign.
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited December 2016
    The Ofgem guy interviewed by BBC radio came across today as nothing so much as a hired gob for the energy cartel. And editorially the holding by energy companies of customers' "credit" - obtained through direct debit scams - was presented as the most natural thing in the world. Apparently Co-operative Energy will "honour" "credit balances" (how kind, eh?), but there may be difficulties if they are "excessive". So darlings, don't all try at the same time to take back the money that the energy companies owe you.

    And that's the BBC being "left-wing"?
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    Black_Rook said:

    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Anyone who believes that the BBC has some kind of institutional right-wing bias really hasn't been paying attention.

    Replace "right" with "left" in that statement and it becomes true.
    The BBC's news operation has an established history of cross-pollination with the Guardian, and it currently employs an ex-Labour cabinet minister as Director of Radio.
    Is that seriously the basis for your conclusion?

  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    I notice Mike has caught a linguistic tic from the BBC. The use of 'likely' instead of 'probably' or, in this case, 'would be likely to' has become a part of dumbed-down Yank-babble that characterises the media. The BBC gave up journalistic research years ago; today it's given up on the English language too.

    I will now likely be banned from here!
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296
    Suck it up Mike.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296
    A few weeks ago, Question Time had four remainers ad one leaver.
  • DecrepitJohnLDecrepitJohnL Posts: 13,300
    Black_Rook said:

    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Anyone who believes that the BBC has some kind of institutional right-wing bias really hasn't been paying attention.

    Replace "right" with "left" in that statement and it becomes true.
    The BBC's news operation has an established history of cross-pollination with the Guardian, and it currently employs an ex-Labour cabinet minister as Director of Radio.

    Apart from that, nothing to see here.
    Just the Guardian? Surely head of news James Harding is a former Times editor.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 54,227
    tlg86 said:

    A few weeks ago, Question Time had four remainers ad one leaver.

    In fairness that probably reflects the BBC producers' experience of the world.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    @faisalislam: Corbyn tells me Article 50 amendment: will be a statement of our wishes of the negotiating strategy on "market access & social protections"
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    logical_song said:

    Philip_Thompson said:

    david_herdson said:

    Brexit is the biggest issue of the day. UKIP has something to say about it. They're also still polling third across the country and have a track record in real elections, as recently as this May. They are a major party.

    No they are a minor party as are the Lib Dems. There are only two major parties in England.
    ... and only one in Scotland.
    Indeed.
  • tlg86tlg86 Posts: 26,296
    Scott_P said:

    @faisalislam: Corbyn tells me Article 50 amendment: will be a statement of our wishes of the negotiating strategy on "market access & social protections"

    Perhaps May should invite Jezza to negotiate on our behalf? That would really throw the EU!
  • DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    Dromedary said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    It seems that everyone has forgotten about President Waldheim. Austria already has experience of having a pariah head of state.

    You are quite right, but Waldheim didn't run for president on a far-right ticket.
    Following up to my own post here, but one of the founders of the German Green party in 1980, August Haussleiter, was a former officer in the SS.
  • Philip_ThompsonPhilip_Thompson Posts: 65,826
    After the autumn statement somebody shared a screenshot of the BBC saying that growth this year has been revised 2.0% "down" to 2.1%

    Does anyone have a link to that image? Can't find it via Google.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    TudorRose said:

    part of dumbed-down Yank-babble that characterises the media.

    No, no, no. The BBC is way more dumbed down than its American equivalent, NPR. I had not realized how bad the Beeb had become until my car died and I had to buy a replacement which has Sirius XM. So I now get BBC World and NPR as I am driving.

    I have the Beeb selected as a favorite, as I was looking forward to some higher quality news. After a few days of changing the channel because of the inanity of the Beeb stories, and the alarming shallowness of the reporting of the truly serious stories, I switched back to the Dianne Rehm show on NPR. Seriously knowledgeable talking heads talking about serious issues for an hour with a respectful but probing interviewer, not a self-promoting sneering knob.

    The Beeb has lost the plot. Like the New York Times, it finds stories to fit its narrative, rather than reporting the news.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Anyone who believes that the BBC has some kind of institutional right-wing bias really hasn't been paying attention.

    Replace "right" with "left" in that statement and it becomes true.
    The BBC's news operation has an established history of cross-pollination with the Guardian, and it currently employs an ex-Labour cabinet minister as Director of Radio.
    Is that seriously the basis for your conclusion?
    Not solely. But it is true, isn't it?

    Seriously, the Beeb does disproportionately attract people who come to the job already in possession of one particular world view, does it not? It's not brutally partisan, and by and large it seems to do its best to avoid biases. But nevertheless, if you wanted a balanced view of, say, the migrant crisis then you wouldn't rely solely for your conclusions upon the opinions of a focus group consisting of Mail and Telegraph leader writers, now would you?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited December 2016
    https://twitter.com/MarrShow/status/805053212504059904

    Wot, no Farron? Oh dear... :smiley:
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Black_Rook said:

    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Anyone who believes that the BBC has some kind of institutional right-wing bias really hasn't been paying attention.

    Replace "right" with "left" in that statement and it becomes true.
    The BBC's news operation has an established history of cross-pollination with the Guardian, and it currently employs an ex-Labour cabinet minister as Director of Radio.
    Is that seriously the basis for your conclusion?
    Not solely. But it is true, isn't it?

    Seriously, the Beeb does disproportionately attract people who come to the job already in possession of one particular world view, does it not? It's not brutally partisan, and by and large it seems to do its best to avoid biases. But nevertheless, if you wanted a balanced view of, say, the migrant crisis then you wouldn't rely solely for your conclusions upon the opinions of a focus group consisting of Mail and Telegraph leader writers, now would you?
    Following the allegations of bias in the Beeb following the Gulf War, they did an in-house investigation (a fairly right-wing senior Beeb reporter friend of mine was involved). They found that their was a broad self-selected cultural bias that starts with applicants and survives throughout the life-cycle of employees, rather than conscious partisanship. The worst aspect of that is the journalists involved can and do convince themselves that they are not biased in any way, and resist any observation to the contrary.

    I think this is particularly evident in the human-interest story reporting, rather than big picture policy pragmatism, that surrounds such issues as migrants or the NHS.
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    tlg86 said:

    A few weeks ago, Question Time had four remainers ad one leaver.

    Every single question time they will have two right wingers and three left wingers apart from once during the e.u ref. Why have a format with five pundits, it ensures bias.
  • ChelyabinskChelyabinsk Posts: 506
    Black_Rook said:

    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Anyone who believes that the BBC has some kind of institutional right-wing bias really hasn't been paying attention.

    Replace "right" with "left" in that statement and it becomes true.
    The BBC's news operation has an established history of cross-pollination with the Guardian, and it currently employs an ex-Labour cabinet minister as Director of Radio.

    Apart from that, nothing to see here.
    Not to mention the period where the BBC's economics editor had shagged both the Leader of the Opposition and the Shadow Chancellor. The reason I'm sceptical about claims that the BBC is 'biased to both sides' is because you can always find incidents where BBC reporters express left-wing bias, but struggle to identify any right-wing bias. Unless, of course, you count one of the Chuckle Brothers sharing Britain First material.
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    A few weeks ago, Question Time had four remainers ad one leaver.

    Every single question time they will have two right wingers and three left wingers apart from once during the e.u ref. Why have a format with five pundits, it ensures bias.
    It doesn't help, though to be fair they seemed to be doing their best on QT this week. 3:2 in favour of the Right, but 3:2 in favour of Remain (courtesy of presence of Ruth Davidson.)
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,382
    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    A few weeks ago, Question Time had four remainers ad one leaver.

    Every single question time they will have two right wingers and three left wingers apart from once during the e.u ref. Why have a format with five pundits, it ensures bias.
    'Panellists include Conservative leader in Scotland Ruth Davidson MSP, Labour's former home secretary Alan Johnson MP, Daily Telegraph columnist Tim Stanley, New Statesman contributing editor Laurie Penny and co-founder of Leave.EU Richard Tice.'

    Who was the third lefty this week?
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    AlastairMeeks said:

    There should have been a Lib Dem on Any Questions last night. There remains a substantial portion of the population that backs UKIP's backward-looking little Englander credo, so that voice should be heard regularly also.

    Wales ( little Welshlanders) also voted to leave and followed the UKIP line so your statement as per usual is vapid bilge.
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Chelyabinsk said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Anyone who believes that the BBC has some kind of institutional right-wing bias really hasn't been paying attention.

    Replace "right" with "left" in that statement and it becomes true.
    The BBC's news operation has an established history of cross-pollination with the Guardian, and it currently employs an ex-Labour cabinet minister as Director of Radio.

    Apart from that, nothing to see here.
    Not to mention the period where the BBC's economics editor had shagged both the Leader of the Opposition and the Shadow Chancellor. The reason I'm sceptical about claims that the BBC is 'biased to both sides' is because you can always find incidents where BBC reporters express left-wing bias, but struggle to identify any right-wing bias. Unless, of course, you count one of the Chuckle Brothers sharing Britain First material.
    Out of interest, is your user name in honour of the meteor strike, or the Kyshtym disaster? I always think of the latter when I see that name.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,382
    Black_Rook said:

    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    A few weeks ago, Question Time had four remainers ad one leaver.

    Every single question time they will have two right wingers and three left wingers apart from once during the e.u ref. Why have a format with five pundits, it ensures bias.
    It doesn't help, though to be fair they seemed to be doing their best on QT this week. 3:2 in favour of the Right, but 3:2 in favour of Remain (courtesy of presence of Ruth Davidson.)
    Yeah, TRuthy has certainly stuck to her Remain guns.
  • PlatoSaidPlatoSaid Posts: 10,383
    edited December 2016
    MTimT said:

    TudorRose said:

    part of dumbed-down Yank-babble that characterises the media.

    No, no, no. The BBC is way more dumbed down than its American equivalent, NPR. I had not realized how bad the Beeb had become until my car died and I had to buy a replacement which has Sirius XM. So I now get BBC World and NPR as I am driving.

    I have the Beeb selected as a favorite, as I was looking forward to some higher quality news. After a few days of changing the channel because of the inanity of the Beeb stories, and the alarming shallowness of the reporting of the truly serious stories, I switched back to the Dianne Rehm show on NPR. Seriously knowledgeable talking heads talking about serious issues for an hour with a respectful but probing interviewer, not a self-promoting sneering knob.

    The Beeb has lost the plot. Like the New York Times, it finds stories to fit its narrative, rather than reporting the news.
    A few yars back, R5 chose to promote Pacifica Radio several nights a week/played out their broadcasts in full for an hour - says it all. They also cite Liberation as a regular news source in France. It's bias is beyond obvious.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    https://twitter.com/brexit/status/805059741634310145
  • TCPoliticalBettingTCPoliticalBetting Posts: 10,819
    Theuniondivvie said:

    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    A few weeks ago, Question Time had four remainers ad one leaver.

    Every single question time they will have two right wingers and three left wingers apart from once during the e.u ref. Why have a format with five pundits, it ensures bias.
    'Panellists include Conservative leader in Scotland Ruth Davidson MSP, Labour's former home secretary Alan Johnson MP, Daily Telegraph columnist Tim Stanley, New Statesman contributing editor Laurie Penny and co-founder of Leave.EU Richard Tice.'

    Who was the third lefty this week?
    Ruth Davidson
  • MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Moses_ said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    There should have been a Lib Dem on Any Questions last night. There remains a substantial portion of the population that backs UKIP's backward-looking little Englander credo, so that voice should be heard regularly also.

    Wales ( little Welshlanders) also voted to leave and followed the UKIP line so your statement as per usual is vapid bilge.
    Are you sure they shouldn't be referred to as 'little Welchers'?
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,899
    edited December 2016
    Scott_P said:

    https://twitter.com/brexit/status/805059741634310145

    The pro Brexit coalition won't hold long enough to deliver.
  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,419
    tlg86 said:

    Scott_P said:

    @faisalislam: Corbyn tells me Article 50 amendment: will be a statement of our wishes of the negotiating strategy on "market access & social protections"

    Perhaps May should invite Jezza to negotiate on our behalf? That would really throw the EU!
    He wouldn't do any worse than Davis, Fox and Johnson. Astonishing thing to say, given my general low opinion of Corbyn.
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,382
    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    A few weeks ago, Question Time had four remainers ad one leaver.

    Every single question time they will have two right wingers and three left wingers apart from once during the e.u ref. Why have a format with five pundits, it ensures bias.
    'Panellists include Conservative leader in Scotland Ruth Davidson MSP, Labour's former home secretary Alan Johnson MP, Daily Telegraph columnist Tim Stanley, New Statesman contributing editor Laurie Penny and co-founder of Leave.EU Richard Tice.'

    Who was the third lefty this week?
    Ruth Davidson
    'The full panel has not yet been announced, but host David Dimbleby revealed on last night's show that Farage will be joined by former Conservative MP Louise Mensch and novelist and journalist Will Self.'

    I guess the Menschinator will be your 'not far enough to the right of Ghengis Khan' candidate next week.

    Looks like another recipe for a car crash freak show that seems to be the QT preferred option nowadays.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 52,899
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    A few weeks ago, Question Time had four remainers ad one leaver.

    Every single question time they will have two right wingers and three left wingers apart from once during the e.u ref. Why have a format with five pundits, it ensures bias.
    'Panellists include Conservative leader in Scotland Ruth Davidson MSP, Labour's former home secretary Alan Johnson MP, Daily Telegraph columnist Tim Stanley, New Statesman contributing editor Laurie Penny and co-founder of Leave.EU Richard Tice.'

    Who was the third lefty this week?
    Ruth Davidson
    'The full panel has not yet been announced, but host David Dimbleby revealed on last night's show that Farage will be joined by former Conservative MP Louise Mensch and novelist and journalist Will Self.'

    I guess the Menschinator will be your 'not far enough to the right of Ghengis Khan' candidate next week.

    Looks like another recipe for a car crash freak show that seems to be the QT preferred option nowadays.
    I wonder which accent Mensch will use.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edited December 2016
    "The chart above graphically illustrates how poorly UKIP has been doing in Westminster by elections this year. The BBC should take notice."

    Why? All parties have ups and downs the Lib Dems know this more than anyone.

    The chart from the 2015 General election is more relevant I would say. In this the share of the vote is

    Lib Dems 2, 415, 141 or 7.9% of the vote share
    UKIP. 3,888,876. or 12.7% of the vote share.
    (In London this is pretty much reversed on vote share plus some)

    https://data.london.gov.uk/blog/the-2015-election-the-numbers-behind-the-result/

    Interesting that the Lib Dems wish to shut down publicity and political views of it a party that achieved a larger vote share than they did but significantly changed the political landscape in this country like no other has done for many years.

    In saying that though the BBC work to their own agenda and given the importance and significance of the by Richmond election I agree there should have been a Lib Dem representative on that panel without hesitation. Why there was not is open to question. Lib Dems better ensure that is not Olney who during a radio interview yesterday got utterly shredded and drowned before being finally dragged off the radio by an aid. Can't do that on QT.
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    Theuniondivvie said:

    TCPoliticalBetting said:

    Theuniondivvie said:

    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    A few weeks ago, Question Time had four remainers ad one leaver.

    Every single question time they will have two right wingers and three left wingers apart from once during the e.u ref. Why have a format with five pundits, it ensures bias.
    'Panellists include Conservative leader in Scotland Ruth Davidson MSP, Labour's former home secretary Alan Johnson MP, Daily Telegraph columnist Tim Stanley, New Statesman contributing editor Laurie Penny and co-founder of Leave.EU Richard Tice.'

    Who was the third lefty this week?
    Ruth Davidson
    'The full panel has not yet been announced, but host David Dimbleby revealed on last night's show that Farage will be joined by former Conservative MP Louise Mensch and novelist and journalist Will Self.'

    I guess the Menschinator will be your 'not far enough to the right of Ghengis Khan' candidate next week.

    Looks like another recipe for a car crash freak show that seems to be the QT preferred option nowadays.
    Will Self and Louise Mensch on the same panel....Nigel Farage looks like the reasonable sensible one in that kind of company!
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    MTimT said:

    Moses_ said:

    AlastairMeeks said:

    There should have been a Lib Dem on Any Questions last night. There remains a substantial portion of the population that backs UKIP's backward-looking little Englander credo, so that voice should be heard regularly also.

    Wales ( little Welshlanders) also voted to leave and followed the UKIP line so your statement as per usual is vapid bilge.
    Are you sure they shouldn't be referred to as 'little Welchers'?
    Ha! Very good .....though depends on which side of the Brexit vote you are I suppose...
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  • FF43FF43 Posts: 17,419
    MTimT said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Anyone who believes that the BBC has some kind of institutional right-wing bias really hasn't been paying attention.

    Replace "right" with "left" in that statement and it becomes true.
    The BBC's news operation has an established history of cross-pollination with the Guardian, and it currently employs an ex-Labour cabinet minister as Director of Radio.
    Is that seriously the basis for your conclusion?
    Not solely. But it is true, isn't it?

    Seriously, the Beeb does disproportionately attract people who come to the job already in possession of one particular world view, does it not? It's not brutally partisan, and by and large it seems to do its best to avoid biases. But nevertheless, if you wanted a balanced view of, say, the migrant crisis then you wouldn't rely solely for your conclusions upon the opinions of a focus group consisting of Mail and Telegraph leader writers, now would you?
    Following the allegations of bias in the Beeb following the Gulf War, they did an in-house investigation (a fairly right-wing senior Beeb reporter friend of mine was involved). They found that their was a broad self-selected cultural bias that starts with applicants and survives throughout the life-cycle of employees, rather than conscious partisanship. The worst aspect of that is the journalists involved can and do convince themselves that they are not biased in any way, and resist any observation to the contrary.

    I think this is particularly evident in the human-interest story reporting, rather than big picture policy pragmatism, that surrounds such issues as migrants or the NHS.
    The clue is in the name, British Broadcasting Corporation. It's almost bound to have to have an institutional bias. Its political reporting is scrupulously balanced, often to the point of blandness. It is not always given due credit for that. But if you are a Scottish Nationalist, for example, or a social conservative, you are going to find it a very uncongenial institution.
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    Chelyabinsk said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Dromedary said:

    Black_Rook said:

    Anyone who believes that the BBC has some kind of institutional right-wing bias really hasn't been paying attention.

    Replace "right" with "left" in that statement and it becomes true.
    The BBC's news operation has an established history of cross-pollination with the Guardian, and it currently employs an ex-Labour cabinet minister as Director of Radio.

    Apart from that, nothing to see here.
    Not to mention the period where the BBC's economics editor had shagged both the Leader of the Opposition and the Shadow Chancellor. The reason I'm sceptical about claims that the BBC is 'biased to both sides' is because you can always find incidents where BBC reporters express left-wing bias, but struggle to identify any right-wing bias. Unless, of course, you count one of the Chuckle Brothers sharing Britain First material.
    That is surely defammatory.The fact that she may have dated them a few times does not imply that they were having sex.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,709
    TudorRose said:

    I notice Mike has caught a linguistic tic from the BBC. The use of 'likely' instead of 'probably' or, in this case, 'would be likely to' has become a part of dumbed-down Yank-babble that characterises the media. The BBC gave up journalistic research years ago; today it's given up on the English language too.

    I will now likely be banned from here!

    This is part of the Great Linguistic Shortening that began with the invention of Twitter.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    Lets see how they do in Sleaford, which should be target ~ 150 or so rather than Richmond, target 600 or Witney target 500ish.
  • FloaterFloater Posts: 14,207
    I suppose the Libs are a serious force.........

    I say that as someone who often votes Lib Dem

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  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Philip_Thompson said:

    After the autumn statement somebody shared a screenshot of the BBC saying that growth this year has been revised 2.0% "down" to 2.1%

    Does anyone have a link to that image? Can't find it via Google.

    Was aware of it. Guido had it I think? Another real humdinger and how could we forget the lunatic Brown and his 0% growth which surpassed by far his previous " 0% increase in public spending".

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gi7qqvRlY0
  • FrancisUrquhartFrancisUrquhart Posts: 82,554
    England finally woken up in the rugger....
  • nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Black_Rook said:

    nunu said:

    tlg86 said:

    A few weeks ago, Question Time had four remainers ad one leaver.

    Every single question time they will have two right wingers and three left wingers apart from once during the e.u ref. Why have a format with five pundits, it ensures bias.
    It doesn't help, though to be fair they seemed to be doing their best on QT this week. 3:2 in favour of the Right, but 3:2 in favour of Remain (courtesy of presence of Ruth Davidson.)
    Oh damn I've stopped watching the last few weeks because I thought it would just be shouting between Leavers vs. Remainders. I'll start watching it again properly after article 50 is triggered. But they could have deeper answers with four instead of five and I suspect they will shift their bias now from right vs. Left to leave vs. Remain and not just on Question time.
  • paulbarkerpaulbarker Posts: 77
    On Topic.
    Excellent piece but its not just The Beeb, journalists in general are far too fond of finding The Story & then clinging on to it even when its obviously died. They just wont to let go of The 2015 Story of UKIP replacing The Libdems.
    Incidentally, its amazing that The Libdem votes in your 5 Byelections tops The Labour score even though 3 were Labour Seats.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    edmundintokyo said:

    TudorRose said:

    I notice Mike has caught a linguistic tic from the BBC. The use of 'likely' instead of 'probably' or, in this case, 'would be likely to' has become a part of dumbed-down Yank-babble that characterises the media. The BBC gave up journalistic research years ago; today it's given up on the English language too.

    I will now likely be banned from here!

    This is part of the Great Linguistic Shortening that began with the invention of Twitter.
    Quite...

    "Many were furious by this and the presence, yet again by the BBC, of a Kipper "

    Define "many"..... Country full? Stadium full? Coach full or the bulk standard uber taxi full? :wink:
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    https://twitter.com/nfmusic/status/805040057728008192

    (Sorry, couldn't resist.)
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Essexit said:

    PeterC said:

    Is not the rough benchmark is votes the previous GE, not byelections? Objectively UKIP has greater claim on coverage than the LibDems.

    As a Lib Dem, Mike wants PR for seats in Parliament but not representation on TV.
    People only want "reform" where and when it suits the furthering of their cause.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 50,291
    Black_Rook said:

    https://twitter.com/nfmusic/status/805040057728008192

    (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

    Since when was being tasty a crime?
  • justin124justin124 Posts: 11,527
    paulbarker said:

    On Topic.
    Excellent piece but its not just The Beeb, journalists in general are far too fond of finding The Story & then clinging on to it even when its obviously died. They just wont to let go of The 2015 Story of UKIP replacing The Libdems.
    Incidentally, its amazing that The Libdem votes in your 5 Byelections tops The Labour score even though 3 were Labour Seats.

    Look again - I don't think that is quite what it shows!
  • BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,761
    Moses_ said:

    "The chart above graphically illustrates how poorly UKIP has been doing in Westminster by elections this year. The BBC should take notice."

    Why? All parties have ups and downs the Lib Dems know this more than anyone.

    The chart from the 2015 General election is more relevant I would say. In this the share of the vote is

    Lib Dems 2, 415, 141 or 7.9% of the vote share
    UKIP. 3,888,876. or 12.7% of the vote share.
    (In London this is pretty much reversed on vote share plus some)

    https://data.london.gov.uk/blog/the-2015-election-the-numbers-behind-the-result/

    Interesting that the Lib Dems wish to shut down publicity and political views of it a party that achieved a larger vote share than they did but significantly changed the political landscape in this country like no other has done for many years.

    In saying that though the BBC work to their own agenda and given the importance and significance of the by Richmond election I agree there should have been a Lib Dem representative on that panel without hesitation. Why there was not is open to question. Lib Dems better ensure that is not Olney who during a radio interview yesterday got utterly shredded and drowned before being finally dragged off the radio by an aid. Can't do that on QT.

    She has twice coped well opposite Andrew Neil. Yesterday she was silenced by an interviewer whose very aggressive questions didn't make any sense to her. Andrew Neil's questioning is forensic but they make sense. She was trying to handle Hartley-Brewer's questions on an unspun reasonable basis but that wasn't the game. She shouldn't have been put up for that interview. She'll be fine on QT.
  • Moses_Moses_ Posts: 4,865
    Barnesian said:

    Moses_ said:

    "The chart above graphically illustrates how poorly UKIP has been doing in Westminster by elections this year. The BBC should take notice."

    Why? All parties have ups and downs the Lib Dems know this more than anyone.

    The chart from the 2015 General election is more relevant I would say. In this the share of the vote is

    Lib Dems 2, 415, 141 or 7.9% of the vote share
    UKIP. 3,888,876. or 12.7% of the vote share.
    (In London this is pretty much reversed on vote share plus some)

    https://data.london.gov.uk/blog/the-2015-election-the-numbers-behind-the-result/

    Interesting that the Lib Dems wish to shut down publicity and political views of it a party that achieved a larger vote share than they did but significantly changed the political landscape in this country like no other has done for many years.

    In saying that though the BBC work to their own agenda and given the importance and significance of the by Richmond election I agree there should have been a Lib Dem representative on that panel without hesitation. Why there was not is open to question. Lib Dems better ensure that is not Olney who during a radio interview yesterday got utterly shredded and drowned before being finally dragged off the radio by an aid. Can't do that on QT.

    She has twice coped well opposite Andrew Neil. Yesterday she was silenced by an interviewer whose very aggressive questions didn't make any sense to her. Andrew Neil's questioning is forensic but they make sense. She was trying to handle Hartley-Brewer's questions on an unspun reasonable basis but that wasn't the game. She shouldn't have been put up for that interview. She'll be fine on QT.
    LoL.
  • rural_voterrural_voter Posts: 2,038
    edmundintokyo said:

    TudorRose said:

    I notice Mike has caught a linguistic tic from the BBC. The use of 'likely' instead of 'probably' or, in this case, 'would be likely to' has become a part of dumbed-down Yank-babble that characterises the media. The BBC gave up journalistic research years ago; today it's given up on the English language too.

    I will now likely be banned from here!

    This is part of the Great Linguistic Shortening that began with the invention of Twitter.
    I think US English is longer-winded. Elevator for lift, faucet for tap, apartment for flat, 'I'm going to do that ...' for 'I'll do that...', etc. But it seems unstoppable.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    IanB2 said:

    Black_Rook said:

    https://twitter.com/nfmusic/status/805040057728008192

    (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

    Since when was being tasty a crime?
    Agreed - its a perfectly reasonable reaction to fear that the dinosaur might spit him out.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,654
    @PBModerator There is a new poster/spambot who is consistently posting shortened links to apparent football news/scandals. "Feels" like a virus link/reverse charge text message scam or some such.

    Thanks.
  • GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071
    Moses_ said:

    edmundintokyo said:

    TudorRose said:

    I notice Mike has caught a linguistic tic from the BBC. The use of 'likely' instead of 'probably' or, in this case, 'would be likely to' has become a part of dumbed-down Yank-babble that characterises the media. The BBC gave up journalistic research years ago; today it's given up on the English language too.

    I will now likely be banned from here!

    This is part of the Great Linguistic Shortening that began with the invention of Twitter.
    Quite...

    "Many were furious by this and the presence, yet again by the BBC, of a Kipper "

    Define "many"..... Country full? Stadium full? Coach full or the bulk standard uber taxi full? :wink:
    My instinct whenever I hear this supposed "many" is to reply "Name four. Apart from yourself, obviously"
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 57,917
    Black_Rook said:

    https://twitter.com/MarrShow/status/805053212504059904

    Wot, no Farron? Oh dear... :smiley:

    The LibDems have found an inverse correlation between exposure for Farron and electoral performance.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,268
    Fantastic stuff from England in the rugger....
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    edited December 2016
    Black_Rook said:

    https://twitter.com/nfmusic/status/805040057728008192

    (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

    Lol.

    Yesterday a relative called him Tim Fallon. The man is invisible to non political obsessives.
  • TudorRoseTudorRose Posts: 1,683
    Pulpstar said:

    Lets see how they do in Sleaford, which should be target ~ 150 or so rather than Richmond, target 600 or Witney target 500ish.

    And if the Tories win Sleaford will the Lib-Anti-Dems describe that as a clear vote for Brexit? I suspect not. They don't even seem to realise that, using their own 'logic', the anti-Brexit vote in Richmond has gone down from around 70% to about 53%.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 53,268
    MP_SE said:

    Black_Rook said:

    https://twitter.com/nfmusic/status/805040057728008192

    (Sorry, couldn't resist.)

    Lol.

    Yesterday a relative called him Tim Fallon. The man is invisible to non political obsessives.
    And now because of the novelty value, the media are going to go to The Girl.....
  • Sean_FSean_F Posts: 37,740
    UKIP won 12% in the local elections in May, and beat the Lib Dems in Wales, London, and the PCC elections, so there's no reason why they should not have similar coverage.
  • Scott_PScott_P Posts: 51,453
    MP_SE said:

    The man is invisible to non political obsessives.

    Who?
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    rcs1000 said:

    Black_Rook said:

    https://twitter.com/MarrShow/status/805053212504059904

    Wot, no Farron? Oh dear... :smiley:

    The LibDems have found an inverse correlation between exposure for Farron and electoral performance.
    It has since been announced that a Liberal Democrat will be appearing for interview on the Sunday Politics.

    Nick Clegg.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    edited December 2016
    My ancient history isn't very strong, but didn't UKIP easily out-pace the LibDems at GE2015?
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Top quality captain pick by @TheScreamingEagles
  • Black_RookBlack_Rook Posts: 8,905
    edited December 2016
    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/805078241610498048

    https://twitter.com/gsoh31/status/805078399689641985

    Am always reluctant to assign too much significance to by-elections, but this is now a half-decent sized sample and, needless to say, it's not the sort of pattern we expect in mid-term with a Government facing complex and controversial issues.
  • SimonStClareSimonStClare Posts: 7,976
    edited December 2016
    'The BBC should take notice.'

    UKIP and the Green party have an elected MP, that should be the only criteria to be on QT.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,764
    Sorry, but the Left and the liberals couldn't get enough of UKIP when the perception was that it was inflicting untold damage upon the Tories. Now they, rightly, see it as a threat - not just nationally but even to the world order - they want it put back on the shelf. Too late. The Left helped create and nurture the UKIP monster, thinking they could control it. Now it's out in the world, loose and terrible, and there's nothing anyone can do other than watch aghast.
  • MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    Carlos Danger is back on the streets of New York. Let us hope he can now control his revolting urges.

    https://twitter.com/DailyMail/status/805020284684304384
  • DanielDaniel Posts: 160
    For the record, it was Ofgem who upgraded UKIP to a "major political party" and said they should be treated alongside the Tories, LAB and LD. Nothing to do with the BBC.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,403
    Pro-EU/anti-Trump people outraged by IUPAC's decision to name heavy element 115 as "Moscovium".

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moscovium
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