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With this latest PB/Polling Matters podcast the development, pioneered by pollster Keiran Pedley, is two years old during which time there have been more than 900k downloads with the million mark not that far off.

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dr_spyn

First unlike Corbyn in Richmond.

TheScreamingEagles

Huzzah.

So glad I introduced Mike to Keiran

Slackbladder

I really enjoy listening to it, well done to all involved.

Pulpstar

Is 2020 too soon for Massachusetts's 4th district House Democrat to run ?

rcs1000

Luckyguy1983 said:

rcs1000 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

Charles said:

williamglenn said:

Charles said:

Scott_P said:

@Peston: Malta PM reiterates all EU government heads agree that Brexit deal must be worse for Britain than current EU membership

And that is the basis of a deal. They value economics more than we value sovereignty

It must require a certain amount of cognitive dissonance for people who view the Euro as a disastrous political project to bank on the same organisation to put economics above any higher values when it comes to negotiating with us.

Fair enough - may be economics was my interpretation.

If each side values things differently then there is scope for an agreement that both sides like (a "win-win" although I hate the term).

For example, the UK has for centuries used our wealth to persuade European partners to assist us. We might choose to transfer some of that surplus wealth (or security assistance, or intelligence assistance) to Europe in return for other benefits (e.g. restrictions on free movement)

We don't have surplus wealth. And I don't think the other two are particularly tempting. And can you explain to me why we should pay a fee to an organisation we're not part of, for the privilege of stopping people from entering our own country, in order to maintain an economic situation where we are the net LOSER.

It is a farce. The EU can't believe it's luck that we seem to give a shit about leaving the 'free market'. The fact we might actually PAY for it too - I'm amazed they can keep a straight face.

Why are we net loser? It seems that as we send them less than they send us, we are the winners.

http://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/nationalaccounts/balanceofpayments/bulletins/balanceofpayments/aprtojun2016#current-account-with-eu-and-non-eu-countries-table-c

Exactly. They send us more than they send us. We're the winners, not them.

Imagine you do a job where you do $1,000 worth of work for your employer, but he pays you $2,000. You're the winner. We give them less than they give us.

Or are you seriously suggesting it's better to give someone more than they give you???

rcs1000

Patrick said:

rcs1000 said:

Dromedary said:

Might a faction in Britain's foreign policy community now be seeking to destroy the EU? Is it possible? Split what's left of the continent between the City of London and the Kremlin?

I thought the following photo was interesting. The way Le Pen holds her mouth to emphasise what she's saying. Who does she remind you of?



Anyone who thinks I'm talking rubbish, please read this article in the Torygraph first.

This talk of dominoes. If it continues and grows, then that's a tick for one of my indicators for investing in Le Pen.

... The Telegraph has predicted the imminent demise of the Euro for at least the last six years, and probably more like 18...

When something can't go on forever it won't. AEP's problem is that he recognises the fact of the Superstate or Split dilemma for the EU and the Euro - but can't predict at all the timing. I think he perhaps underestimates the sheer bloody minded stubbornness of the EU elite's determination to see the Project through at whatever cost.

Yeah, but he constantly predicts its imminent demise. That makes it quite boring because he can't see both sides of any argument. He's always looking for the reason why {x} causes the end of the Eurozone.

logical_song

Pulpstar said:

Is 2020 too soon for Massachusetts's 4th district House Democrat to run ?

Ah Joseph Kennedy III

justin124

FPT
Sorry TSE , I was not being awkward but simply had no links immediately to refer you to. I certainly knew that I had not invented or dreamt this!
I note too that you have alluded to Tory support in Scotland impacting on headline national polling figures. I have myself pointed this out a few times - and even been accused of 'spin' for having done so.

rcs1000

Right I'm off... work to do...

MaxPB

rcs1000 said:

Patrick said:

rcs1000 said:

Dromedary said:

Might a faction in Britain's foreign policy community now be seeking to destroy the EU? Is it possible? Split what's left of the continent between the City of London and the Kremlin?

I thought the following photo was interesting. The way Le Pen holds her mouth to emphasise what she's saying. Who does she remind you of?



Anyone who thinks I'm talking rubbish, please read this article in the Torygraph first.

This talk of dominoes. If it continues and grows, then that's a tick for one of my indicators for investing in Le Pen.

... The Telegraph has predicted the imminent demise of the Euro for at least the last six years, and probably more like 18...

When something can't go on forever it won't. AEP's problem is that he recognises the fact of the Superstate or Split dilemma for the EU and the Euro - but can't predict at all the timing. I think he perhaps underestimates the sheer bloody minded stubbornness of the EU elite's determination to see the Project through at whatever cost.

Yeah, but he constantly predicts its imminent demise. That makes it quite boring because he can't see both sides of any argument. He's always looking for the reason why {x} causes the end of the Eurozone.

Politics trumps economics for the EU, IMO. It's why anything beyond a simple transition deal will be tough to achieve. Hopefully we can agree to single market membership and move immigration rights to a transactional basis as Guy Verhofstadt has opened the door for.

FrancisUrquhart

No thread on the fabulous polling for 21st Century Socialism?

Morris_Dancer

Good afternoon, everyone.

Next week's podcast should be rather good as well, as there'll be the Italian referendum and Austrian presidential election.

TheScreamingEagles

justin124 said:

FPT
Sorry TSE , I was not being awkward but simply had no links immediately to refer you to. I certainly knew that I had not invented or dreamt this!
I note too that you have alluded to Tory support in Scotland impacting on headline national polling figures. I have myself pointed this out a few times - and even been accused of 'spin' for having done so.

Not a problem, I was just curious, I'm writing a thread this weekend on those lines, and wanted to see as much evidence as I can

Dromedary

Whatever may happen in April-May, a NO win in Italy next weekend is likely to make Le Pen's odds tighten. A fortiori if Hofer wins in Austria too.

The most recent Austrian poll referenced at Wikipedia was published on 17 Nov. Have there been any since or are they banned in the last fortnight?

PlatoSaid

For flag burning fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NymRecFWgAs

Pulpstar

Dromedary said:

Whatever may happen in April-May, a NO win in Italy next weekend is likely to make Le Pen's odds tighten. A fortiori if Hofer wins in Austria too.

The most recent Austrian poll referenced at Wikipedia was published on 17 Nov. Have there been any since or are they banned in the last fortnight?

I don't get how Hofer is 1.4 and Van Der Bellen 3.5+ when the polls were spot on last time and are showing the same coin toss again ?

Am I missing something ?

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Dromedary, last time I checked the odds Hofer was 1.4 and the other chap 2.75 on Ladbrokes.

The polling I saw (around the same time as you) gave Hofer a small lead.

If the other man wins, questions about legitimacy may rise again given previous irregularities.

PlatoSaid

When's the Italy referendum? Seen twitter chatter today.

Morris_Dancer

Miss Plato, 4 December, same day as the Austrian vote, I think.

Pulpstar

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Dromedary, last time I checked the odds Hofer was 1.4 and the other chap 2.75 on Ladbrokes.

The polling I saw (around the same time as you) gave Hofer a small lead.

If the other man wins, questions about legitimacy may rise again given previous irregularities.

The polling is the same as last time, a complete wash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Austrian_presidential_election,_2016

MaxPB

Pulpstar said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Dromedary, last time I checked the odds Hofer was 1.4 and the other chap 2.75 on Ladbrokes.

The polling I saw (around the same time as you) gave Hofer a small lead.

If the other man wins, questions about legitimacy may rise again given previous irregularities.

The polling is the same as last time, a complete wash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Austrian_presidential_election,_2016

I do wonder whether they will have areas with 120% turnout again!

FrancisUrquhart

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Pulpstar, then the odds do seem curious. Maybe it's just weight of money, or perhaps a feeling there are shy Hofer supporters?

geoffw

When people say they want tariff free access to the EU market do they realise that they are thereby insisting on paying tariffs on imports from outside the EU? You are either in the customs union or out, no half measures. Being inside benefits inefficient producers across the EU and it harms both domestic UK consumers and efficient producers outside the EU.

This is an example:

“Last month, the EU quietly increased eight tariffs on imported oranges from third party countries from 3.2% to 16.0%”

Why? Because Spain got the EU to “safeguard” and protect their orange producers. This costs UK consumers. There is a myriad such tariffs we would be well shot of.
http://brexitcentral.com/dan-lewis-new-16-import-tariffs-oranges-show-must-leave-customs-union/

Pulpstar

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Pulpstar, then the odds do seem curious. Maybe it's just weight of money, or perhaps a feeling there are shy Hofer supporters?

He might win, he might not !

But 1.4 is too short.

TheWhiteRabbit

Pulpstar said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Dromedary, last time I checked the odds Hofer was 1.4 and the other chap 2.75 on Ladbrokes.

The polling I saw (around the same time as you) gave Hofer a small lead.

If the other man wins, questions about legitimacy may rise again given previous irregularities.

The polling is the same as last time, a complete wash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Austrian_presidential_election,_2016

Remarkable how few people have changed their vote.

I would wager that the margin of victory will be bigger than the polls imply.

PlatoSaid

Morris_Dancer said:

Miss Plato, 4 December, same day as the Austrian vote, I think.

Ooh, goody - a fun day to look foward too!

Pulpstar

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Pulpstar said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Dromedary, last time I checked the odds Hofer was 1.4 and the other chap 2.75 on Ladbrokes.

The polling I saw (around the same time as you) gave Hofer a small lead.

If the other man wins, questions about legitimacy may rise again given previous irregularities.

The polling is the same as last time, a complete wash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Austrian_presidential_election,_2016

Remarkable how few people have changed their vote.

I would wager that the margin of victory will be bigger than the polls imply.

Who do you think will win ?

Bellen ?

Morris_Dancer

Miss Plato, but no F1

geoffw

Morris_Dancer said:

Miss Plato, 4 December, same day as the Austrian vote, I think.

The day before the Supreme Court hearing.

Philip_Thompson

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

So it's the Snapchat of video?

FrancisUrquhart

Philip_Thompson said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

So it's the Snapchat of video?

Snapchat does video....it is Snapchat without most of the functionality.

foxinsoxuk

Pulpstar said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Pulpstar, then the odds do seem curious. Maybe it's just weight of money, or perhaps a feeling there are shy Hofer supporters?

He might win, he might not !

But 1.4 is too short.

Wasn't polling showing a significant lead for Hoferlast time - when it was a dead heat?

If so, then a tie in the polls now may be equally misleading, but in which direction?

PlatoSaid

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

RNIBViewApp?

Is there a GuideDog option?

Philip_Thompson

geoffw said:

When people say they want tariff free access to the EU market do they realise that they are thereby insisting on paying tariffs on imports from outside the EU? You are either in the customs union or out, no half measures. Being inside benefits inefficient producers across the EU and it harms both domestic UK consumers and efficient producers outside the EU.

This is an example:

“Last month, the EU quietly increased eight tariffs on imported oranges from third party countries from 3.2% to 16.0%”

Why? Because Spain got the EU to “safeguard” and protect their orange producers. This costs UK consumers. There is a myriad such tariffs we would be well shot of.
http://brexitcentral.com/dan-lewis-new-16-import-tariffs-oranges-show-must-leave-customs-union/

Wrong, you can have tariff free access to the EU while being outside the customs union. Like the EFTA nations.

FrancisUrquhart

PlatoSaid said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

RNIBViewApp?

Is there a GuideDog option?

The sell is supposed some BS about social media is too crafted, too filtered, not raw enough...so this will force you to record video that is warts and all.

And CNN have bought it with the idea to turn this into some youth focused medium...and I thought Vine was bloody stupid!

Morris_Dancer

Dr. Foxinsox, a dead heat, with Hofer's opponent getting some mathematically unusual turnout figures.

Dromedary

Pulpstar said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Pulpstar said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Dromedary, last time I checked the odds Hofer was 1.4 and the other chap 2.75 on Ladbrokes.

The polling I saw (around the same time as you) gave Hofer a small lead.

If the other man wins, questions about legitimacy may rise again given previous irregularities.

The polling is the same as last time, a complete wash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Austrian_presidential_election,_2016

Remarkable how few people have changed their vote.

I would wager that the margin of victory will be bigger than the polls imply.

Who do you think will win ?

Bellen ?

Probably Hofer - the Turkish story will have helped him since the most recently published poll; there's a lot of fear of Turkey in Austria - but 1.41 is too short. I wonder what private polls are saying.

wasd

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

They're not even keeping the app - it looks like a very expensive purchase of a dev team and a brand name and not much more.

TheWhiteRabbit

Pulpstar said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Pulpstar said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Dromedary, last time I checked the odds Hofer was 1.4 and the other chap 2.75 on Ladbrokes.

The polling I saw (around the same time as you) gave Hofer a small lead.

If the other man wins, questions about legitimacy may rise again given previous irregularities.

The polling is the same as last time, a complete wash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Austrian_presidential_election,_2016

Remarkable how few people have changed their vote.

I would wager that the margin of victory will be bigger than the polls imply.

Who do you think will win ?

Bellen ?

I'll tell you after the vote

What I mean is, the polls are much too static.

Philip_Thompson

Pulpstar said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Pulpstar said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Dromedary, last time I checked the odds Hofer was 1.4 and the other chap 2.75 on Ladbrokes.

The polling I saw (around the same time as you) gave Hofer a small lead.

If the other man wins, questions about legitimacy may rise again given previous irregularities.

The polling is the same as last time, a complete wash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Austrian_presidential_election,_2016

Remarkable how few people have changed their vote.

I would wager that the margin of victory will be bigger than the polls imply.

Who do you think will win ?

Bellen ?

Should join the Democrats in America. Then could be named as "Bellen (D)"

I'll get my coat.

FrancisUrquhart

wasd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

They're not even keeping the app - it looks like a very expensive purchase of a dev team and a brand name and not much more.

So they bought a brand of a little known f##king idiotic app, so what they have really bought is Casey Neistat...a f##king annoying vlogger that YouTube is constantly telling me I really need to check out.

rottenborough

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

I think the instant feedback through the 'selfie' function from the vid viewer may be the hook.

Pulpstar

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Austrian_legislative_election small uptick in FPO polling since the (first) second round.

PlatoSaid

FrancisUrquhart said:

PlatoSaid said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

RNIBViewApp?

Is there a GuideDog option?

The sell is supposed some BS about social media is too crafted, too filtered, not raw enough...so this will force you to record video that is warts and all.

And CNN have bought it with the idea to turn this into some youth focused medium...

The Times tried this stupid filter - and was pwned in 24hrs. I can't be bothered with any MSM now. It's all the same variant of monopoly Establishment viewpoint since 23rd June. They're protecting their pay cheques.

I've no interest in paying for their propaganda masquerading as news.

Pulpstar

Dromedary said:

Pulpstar said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Pulpstar said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Dromedary, last time I checked the odds Hofer was 1.4 and the other chap 2.75 on Ladbrokes.

The polling I saw (around the same time as you) gave Hofer a small lead.

If the other man wins, questions about legitimacy may rise again given previous irregularities.

The polling is the same as last time, a complete wash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Austrian_presidential_election,_2016

Remarkable how few people have changed their vote.

I would wager that the margin of victory will be bigger than the polls imply.

Who do you think will win ?

Bellen ?

Probably Hofer - the Turkish story will have helped him since the most recently published poll; there's a lot of fear of Turkey in Austria - but 1.41 is too short. I wonder what private polls are saying.

I always worry about Turkey when I'm playing Austria in fairness.

Pulpstar

FrancisUrquhart said:

wasd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

They're not even keeping the app - it looks like a very expensive purchase of a dev team and a brand name and not much more.

So they bought a brand of a little known f##king idiotic app, so what they have really bought is Casey Neistat...a f##king annoying vlogger that YouTube is constantly telling me I really need to check out.

Amazon bought Twitch for £535 million in 2014. That looks like one of the shrewdest tech/vlog purchases in recent years to me.

How much have CNN paid for BEME (I've never heard of it !)

FrancisUrquhart

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

wasd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

They're not even keeping the app - it looks like a very expensive purchase of a dev team and a brand name and not much more.

So they bought a brand of a little known f##king idiotic app, so what they have really bought is Casey Neistat...a f##king annoying vlogger that YouTube is constantly telling me I really need to check out.

Amazon bought Twitch for £535 million in 2014. That looks like one of the shrewdest tech/vlog purchases in recent years to me.

How much have CNN paid for BEME (I've never heard of it !)

Twitch I totally get (after I did some research and ended up doing some business with some streamers), and Amazon are being very clever with recent integration into their Amazon Prime platform.

Also, aside from the streaming computer games, the technology they have is fabulous...being able to stream 100s of channels in HD at upto 1080p / 60fps, with some channels having 100,000's of concurrent viewers.

Scaling that kind of tech is not trivial.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Pulpstar, when playing Austria, shouldn't you be afraid of just about everyone?

FF43

FPT

rcs1000 said:

My view on Brexit is that we, as a country, are fundamentally unsuited to the EU. We have different legal and electoral systems from the rest of the continent: we are common law and first past the post; they are roman laws and coalitions. We have not had a fascist dictatorship nor been invaded. We have the channel, while (most of) the countries of the EU have incredibly porous borders.

We were only ever in the EU because of the economic benefits it was considered to give us. We never thought that tying the nations of Europe together "in ever closer union" was a goal worth striving for.

I do think we'll struggle in the next few years, as firms continue to postpone investment decisions. From being more optimistic than the OBR about 2017, I'm becoming increasingly negative. I wouldn't be surprised if we edged into recession in the second half of next year.

But none of this alters the fact that the UK and the EU were in an unhappy marriage. We were never going to be happy as members of the EU. It is better to end an unhappy marriage than have it drag on both parties.

A good post. I don't personally think EU objectives are worthless or false (possibly you don't entirely either?). But if most fellow country men and women do think this, leaving the EU is the logical result. However the same lack of comprehension will continue to infect our relationship with the EU as we leave and after we leave. We will not only be more isolated and poorer but we will continue to be frustrated, just as we were in the dim, distant, past before we joined.

geoffw

Philip_Thompson said:

geoffw said:

When people say they want tariff free access to the EU market do they realise that they are thereby insisting on paying tariffs on imports from outside the EU? You are either in the customs union or out, no half measures. Being inside benefits inefficient producers across the EU and it harms both domestic UK consumers and efficient producers outside the EU.

This is an example:

“Last month, the EU quietly increased eight tariffs on imported oranges from third party countries from 3.2% to 16.0%”

Why? Because Spain got the EU to “safeguard” and protect their orange producers. This costs UK consumers. There is a myriad such tariffs we would be well shot of.
http://brexitcentral.com/dan-lewis-new-16-import-tariffs-oranges-show-must-leave-customs-union/

Wrong, you can have tariff free access to the EU while being outside the customs union. Like the EFTA nations.

Thank you for that. If you are right then that changes my opinion somewhat, but only slightly. I prioritise UK consumers so I want to be shot of the common external tariff(s) on UK imports. We get that by leaving under WTO rules and eshewing tariffs on our imports. If within EFTA our producers can get tariff free exports into the EU, fine but for me that is a lesser priority. Which of our industries need protection?

wasd

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

wasd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

They're not even keeping the app - it looks like a very expensive purchase of a dev team and a brand name and not much more.

So they bought a brand of a little known f##king idiotic app, so what they have really bought is Casey Neistat...a f##king annoying vlogger that YouTube is constantly telling me I really need to check out.

Amazon bought Twitch for £535 million in 2014. That looks like one of the shrewdest tech/vlog purchases in recent years to me.

How much have CNN paid for BEME (I've never heard of it !)

WSJ is quoting a deal worth $25m.

PlatoSaid

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

wasd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

They're not even keeping the app - it looks like a very expensive purchase of a dev team and a brand name and not much more.

So they bought a brand of a little known f##king idiotic app, so what they have really bought is Casey Neistat...a f##king annoying vlogger that YouTube is constantly telling me I really need to check out.

Amazon bought Twitch for £535 million in 2014. That looks like one of the shrewdest tech/vlog purchases in recent years to me.

How much have CNN paid for BEME (I've never heard of it !)

I've been sent Twitch links -and opened them, I never noticed an app using my phone - so it's not engaged me. I only noticed because I look at sources to see how wacky they are.

rottenborough

FrancisUrquhart said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

So it's the Snapchat of video?

Snapchat does video....it is Snapchat without most of the functionality.

CNN don't care about BEME. Not according to NYT at least, they are after the core ideas and new thinking and reaching a young audience with digital content

"It is unclear what shape the Beme project will take, but the plan is for Mr. Neistat to present some of its early ideas in the first half of 2017."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/technology/cnn-brings-in-the-social-app-beme-to-cultivate-a-millennial-audience.html?_r=0

PlatoSaid

rcs1000 said:

Patrick said:

rcs1000 said:

Dromedary said:

Might a faction in Britain's foreign policy community now be seeking to destroy the EU? Is it possible? Split what's left of the continent between the City of London and the Kremlin?

I thought the following photo was interesting. The way Le Pen holds her mouth to emphasise what she's saying. Who does she remind you of?



Anyone who thinks I'm talking rubbish, please read this article in the Torygraph first.

This talk of dominoes. If it continues and grows, then that's a tick for one of my indicators for investing in Le Pen.

... The Telegraph has predicted the imminent demise of the Euro for at least the last six years, and probably more like 18...

When something can't go on forever it won't. AEP's problem is that he recognises the fact of the Superstate or Split dilemma for the EU and the Euro - but can't predict at all the timing. I think he perhaps underestimates the sheer bloody minded stubbornness of the EU elite's determination to see the Project through at whatever cost.

Yeah, but he constantly predicts its imminent demise. That makes it quite boring because he can't see both sides of any argument. He's always looking for the reason why {x} causes the end of the Eurozone.

Are @Indigo or @Ishmael_X going to unblocked?

Their crimes seemed to be single issue thread stuff - not repeated violations.

MaxPB

PlatoSaid said:

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

wasd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

They're not even keeping the app - it looks like a very expensive purchase of a dev team and a brand name and not much more.

So they bought a brand of a little known f##king idiotic app, so what they have really bought is Casey Neistat...a f##king annoying vlogger that YouTube is constantly telling me I really need to check out.

Amazon bought Twitch for £535 million in 2014. That looks like one of the shrewdest tech/vlog purchases in recent years to me.

How much have CNN paid for BEME (I've never heard of it !)

I've been sent Twitch links -and opened them, I never noticed an app using my phone - so it's not engaged me. I only noticed because I look at sources to see how wacky they are.

Twitch is gaming, it was spun out of Justin.TV, a more generalised livestreaming site.

FrancisUrquhart

rottenborough said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

Philip_Thompson said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

So it's the Snapchat of video?

Snapchat does video....it is Snapchat without most of the functionality.

CNN don't care about BEME. Not according to NYT at least, they are after the core ideas and new thinking and reaching a young audience with digital content

"It is unclear what shape the Beme project will take, but the plan is for Mr. Neistat to present some of its early ideas in the first half of 2017."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/28/technology/cnn-brings-in-the-social-app-beme-to-cultivate-a-millennial-audience.html?_r=0

As posted downthread....they clearly just bought Casey Neistat and his massive YouTube following and want to do something with that. I personally find him very very annoying.

geoffw

I too hope they'll be unblocked (I didn't know they were). Are there others?

FrancisUrquhart

MaxPB said:

PlatoSaid said:

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

wasd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

They're not even keeping the app - it looks like a very expensive purchase of a dev team and a brand name and not much more.

So they bought a brand of a little known f##king idiotic app, so what they have really bought is Casey Neistat...a f##king annoying vlogger that YouTube is constantly telling me I really need to check out.

Amazon bought Twitch for £535 million in 2014. That looks like one of the shrewdest tech/vlog purchases in recent years to me.

How much have CNN paid for BEME (I've never heard of it !)

I've been sent Twitch links -and opened them, I never noticed an app using my phone - so it's not engaged me. I only noticed because I look at sources to see how wacky they are.

Twitch is gaming, it was spun out of Justin.TV, a more generalised livestreaming site.

They are spinning Twitch into more than just gaming now. There is also a focus on creative stuff, making, painting, etc. The Bob Ross painting was incredibly popular, as is apparently things like "social eating" in the Far East.

They have also streamed big music festivals, like Ultra and even the US presidential election debates. I think Amazon have big plans for the platform.

PlatoSaid

MaxPB said:

PlatoSaid said:

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

wasd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

They're not even keeping the app - it looks like a very expensive purchase of a dev team and a brand name and not much more.

So they bought a brand of a little known f##king idiotic app, so what they have really bought is Casey Neistat...a f##king annoying vlogger that YouTube is constantly telling me I really need to check out.

Amazon bought Twitch for £535 million in 2014. That looks like one of the shrewdest tech/vlog purchases in recent years to me.

How much have CNN paid for BEME (I've never heard of it !)

I've been sent Twitch links -and opened them, I never noticed an app using my phone - so it's not engaged me. I only noticed because I look at sources to see how wacky they are.

Twitch is gaming, it was spun out of Justin.TV, a more generalised livestreaming site.

Thanx - not my universe.

TheScreamingEagles

MPs are sexually assaulting young researchers who have nowhere to turn, says John Mann

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/29/mps-sexually-assaulting-young-researchers-have-nowhere-turn/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Eagles, isn't that old news? (Important, of course, but I'm sure this was reported about two years ago).

MaxPB

FrancisUrquhart said:

MaxPB said:

PlatoSaid said:

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

wasd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

They're not even keeping the app - it looks like a very expensive purchase of a dev team and a brand name and not much more.

So they bought a brand of a little known f##king idiotic app, so what they have really bought is Casey Neistat...a f##king annoying vlogger that YouTube is constantly telling me I really need to check out.

Amazon bought Twitch for £535 million in 2014. That looks like one of the shrewdest tech/vlog purchases in recent years to me.

How much have CNN paid for BEME (I've never heard of it !)

I've been sent Twitch links -and opened them, I never noticed an app using my phone - so it's not engaged me. I only noticed because I look at sources to see how wacky they are.

Twitch is gaming, it was spun out of Justin.TV, a more generalised livestreaming site.

They are spinning Twitch into more than just gaming now. There is also a focus on creative stuff, making, painting, etc. The Bob Ross painting was incredibly popular, as is apparently things like "social eating" in the Far East.

Sounds a lot like what Justin.TV used to be. Those guys must be filthy rich now. They owned a massive stake in Twitch when it was sold iirc.

MaxPB

TheScreamingEagles said:

MPs are sexually assaulting young researchers who have nowhere to turn, says John Mann

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/29/mps-sexually-assaulting-young-researchers-have-nowhere-turn/?WT.mc_id=tmg_share_tw

My gf was thinking of being a junior researcher for an MP a few years back. I advised her not to look into it for these reasons.

FF43

geoffw said:

Philip_Thompson said:

geoffw said:

When people say they want tariff free access to the EU market do they realise that they are thereby insisting on paying tariffs on imports from outside the EU? You are either in the customs union or out, no half measures. Being inside benefits inefficient producers across the EU and it harms both domestic UK consumers and efficient producers outside the EU.

This is an example:

“Last month, the EU quietly increased eight tariffs on imported oranges from third party countries from 3.2% to 16.0%”

Why? Because Spain got the EU to “safeguard” and protect their orange producers. This costs UK consumers. There is a myriad such tariffs we would be well shot of.
http://brexitcentral.com/dan-lewis-new-16-import-tariffs-oranges-show-must-leave-customs-union/

Wrong, you can have tariff free access to the EU while being outside the customs union. Like the EFTA nations.

Thank you for that. If you are right then that changes my opinion somewhat, but only slightly. I prioritise UK consumers so I want to be shot of the common external tariff(s) on UK imports. We get that by leaving under WTO rules and eshewing tariffs on our imports. If within EFTA our producers can get tariff free exports into the EU, fine but for me that is a lesser priority. Which of our industries need protection?

The collateral damage on that would be British farmers, who will be wiped out as a class. Possibly the inevitable price of progress from your perspective, as coal miners, merchant seamen and others have disappeared previously from the landscape? Nevertheless, I think the political cost will be deemed to be too high. Especially in these anti-globalisation times.

FrancisUrquhart

MaxPB said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

MaxPB said:

PlatoSaid said:

Pulpstar said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

wasd said:

FrancisUrquhart said:

I see CNN have bought BEME...official tech bubble is bonkers.

For those that don't know, it is a video capture / sharing app, where the hook is you can't see the video you have captured before you share it....all you see is a blank screen. And those following others again can't see what they are about to watch and can only view it once before it disappears.

So in other words, lets take video capture / sharing apps and make a version of one of these apps which lacks all the useful functionality and sell that as the hook.

They're not even keeping the app - it looks like a very expensive purchase of a dev team and a brand name and not much more.

So they bought a brand of a little known f##king idiotic app, so what they have really bought is Casey Neistat...a f##king annoying vlogger that YouTube is constantly telling me I really need to check out.

Amazon bought Twitch for £535 million in 2014. That looks like one of the shrewdest tech/vlog purchases in recent years to me.

How much have CNN paid for BEME (I've never heard of it !)

I've been sent Twitch links -and opened them, I never noticed an app using my phone - so it's not engaged me. I only noticed because I look at sources to see how wacky they are.

Twitch is gaming, it was spun out of Justin.TV, a more generalised livestreaming site.

They are spinning Twitch into more than just gaming now. There is also a focus on creative stuff, making, painting, etc. The Bob Ross painting was incredibly popular, as is apparently things like "social eating" in the Far East.

Sounds a lot like what Justin.TV used to be. Those guys must be filthy rich now. They owned a massive stake in Twitch when it was sold iirc.

Yes and no. In addition, to some kid in his bedroom streaming something random, I think there is increasing focus on corporate stuff, like I say the big dance festival in Miami called Ultra, as increasingly becoming a stable part of Twitch.

The recent ability to tie up between ones Amazon Prime account and Twitch Prime is massive for the platform and also shows that Amazon are clearly see a big future in Twitch.

The tie up, effectively gave everybody who has Amazon Prime both an ongoing Twitch prime membership and also a free channel sub a month to spend. I did see one of the big twitch streamer estimate how much that tie had cost Amazon a year, I can't remember the exact number, but the simple answer was a lot.

PlatoSaid

Just another smart person saying this, we're all too stupid to see us winning I guess.

Scott Adams
Have you noticed that his "dumbness" made him president? At what point do you wonder if any of it was skill? https://t.co/06bZmAdblb

rottenborough

This is a good question for the Corbynista:

(((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 14m14 minutes ago
Could anyone who is a Corbyn supporter explain why - given Labour is now supposedly "united" - the Tory poll lead continues to widen.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. 43, given the importance of farmers I wonder if there'd be an extension of the voluntarily expensive milk.

Mr. Max, understandable advice. [As an aside, it's counter-intuitive but the story a couple of years ago indicated most victims were male].

FF43

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. 43, given the importance of farmers I wonder if there'd be an extension of the voluntarily expensive milk.

Mr. Max, understandable advice. [As an aside, it's counter-intuitive but the story a couple of years ago indicated most victims were male].

The deliberately expensive milk, meat and grains come from tariff quotas. If we "fall back" on WTO rules we won't have them any more and these products will see their farm gate prices fall by a third or more. The same may occur anyway as part of the WTO renegotiations that follow Brexit. That will make most agriculture in Britain uneconomic, certainly on current land values.

geoffw

FF43 said:

geoffw said:

Philip_Thompson said:

geoffw said:

When people say they want tariff free access to the EU market do they realise that they are thereby insisting on paying tariffs on imports from outside the EU? You are either in the customs union or out, no half measures. Being inside benefits inefficient producers across the EU and it harms both domestic UK consumers and efficient producers outside the EU.

This is an example:

“Last month, the EU quietly increased eight tariffs on imported oranges from third party countries from 3.2% to 16.0%”

Why? Because Spain got the EU to “safeguard” and protect their orange producers. This costs UK consumers. There is a myriad such tariffs we would be well shot of.
http://brexitcentral.com/dan-lewis-new-16-import-tariffs-oranges-show-must-leave-customs-union/

Wrong, you can have tariff free access to the EU while being outside the customs union. Like the EFTA nations.

Thank you for that. If you are right then that changes my opinion somewhat, but only slightly. I prioritise UK consumers so I want to be shot of the common external tariff(s) on UK imports. We get that by leaving under WTO rules and eshewing tariffs on our imports. If within EFTA our producers can get tariff free exports into the EU, fine but for me that is a lesser priority. Which of our industries need protection?

The collateral damage on that would be British farmers, who will be wiped out as a class. Possibly the inevitable price of progress from your perspective, as coal miners, merchant seamen and others have disappeared previously from the landscape? Nevertheless, I think the political cost will be deemed to be too high. Especially in these anti-globalisation times.

I think the govt has undertaken to keep the EU levels of support for farming after we leave, at least for a time.

Morris_Dancer

F1: Hamilton 'unwell' and pulls out of test:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38147472

It's probably just that, though conspiracy theorists might wonder if it's indicative of his grumpiness.

Scott_P

rottenborough said:

This is a good question for the Corbynista:

(((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 14m14 minutes ago
Could anyone who is a Corbyn supporter explain why - given Labour is now supposedly "united" - the Tory poll lead continues to widen.

Lamestream media bias...

Scott_P

PlatoSaid said:

The Times tried this stupid filter - and was pwned in 24hrs. I can't be bothered with any MSM now. It's all the same variant of monopoly Establishment viewpoint since 23rd June. They're protecting their pay cheques.

I've no interest in paying for their propaganda masquerading as news.

https://twitter.com/aesensten/status/803141756325806083

Pulpstar

rottenborough said:

This is a good question for the Corbynista:

(((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 14m14 minutes ago
Could anyone who is a Corbyn supporter explain why - given Labour is now supposedly "united" - the Tory poll lead continues to widen.

Has the public noticed Labour being "united" yet ?

Last time I checked they (The PLP) were backing Owen Smith !

Artist

rottenborough said:

This is a good question for the Corbynista:

(((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 14m14 minutes ago
Could anyone who is a Corbyn supporter explain why - given Labour is now supposedly "united" - the Tory poll lead continues to widen.

Corbyn has HIS team in place in the Shadow Cabinet this time as well. He has no excuses going forward.

foxinsoxuk

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Pulpstar, when playing Austria, shouldn't you be afraid of just about everyone?

Italy and Turkey are Austrias natural enemies. Germany and Russia less so. I did succesfully run the Blue Water Opening in one game though.

Philip_Thompson

FF43 said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. 43, given the importance of farmers I wonder if there'd be an extension of the voluntarily expensive milk.

Mr. Max, understandable advice. [As an aside, it's counter-intuitive but the story a couple of years ago indicated most victims were male].

The deliberately expensive milk, meat and grains come from tariff quotas. If we "fall back" on WTO rules we won't have them any more and these products will see their farm gate prices fall by a third or more. The same may occur anyway as part of the WTO renegotiations that follow Brexit. That will make most agriculture in Britain uneconomic, certainly on current land values.

Not necessarily. Look at what happened in New Zealand when they abolished tariffs and subsidies.

MaxPB

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. 43, given the importance of farmers I wonder if there'd be an extension of the voluntarily expensive milk.

Mr. Max, understandable advice. [As an aside, it's counter-intuitive but the story a couple of years ago indicated most victims were male].

I'm sure it happens to young men as well and would advise any young person with stars in their eyes thinking of working for an MP to be very careful.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. 43, I think you misunderstand my point. I was referring to milk that is, say, 10p higher to help keep British dairy farmers in business, and some shoppers voluntarily opt to spend more on that basis.

Morris_Dancer

Dr. Foxinsox, for a n00b at Diplomacy, could you explain that opening?

MikeK

COFFEE HOUSE
Global temperatures have fallen – so why isn’t it being reported?

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/11/global-temperatures-fallen-isnt-reported/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Lunchtime_Espresso_29112016

Could it be because the Leftie Liberati cannot bear to eat their own words?

PlatoSaid

Just for those who still don't get him - seriously wake up - so much trolling

Joe Posobiec
Trump does it again! The last time Congress proposed a Flag Protection Act it was written by....Senator Hillary Clinton!

#4DChess https://t.co/TFRlIpBLRU

foxinsoxuk

Scott_P said:

PlatoSaid said:

The Times tried this stupid filter - and was pwned in 24hrs. I can't be bothered with any MSM now. It's all the same variant of monopoly Establishment viewpoint since 23rd June. They're protecting their pay cheques.

I've no interest in paying for their propaganda masquerading as news.

https://twitter.com/aesensten/status/803141756325806083

Like!

Call me old fashioned, but there is not his truth vs her truth, but an objective truth out there. Post-truth politics seems to be the bastard son of Post-Modernism gone out to a wider public.

Morris_Dancer

Dr. Foxinsox, objective facts. Truth is philosophical.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6YGbunDHLs

rottenborough

Artist said:

rottenborough said:

This is a good question for the Corbynista:

(((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 14m14 minutes ago
Could anyone who is a Corbyn supporter explain why - given Labour is now supposedly "united" - the Tory poll lead continues to widen.

Corbyn has HIS team in place in the Shadow Cabinet this time as well. He has no excuses going forward.

And what a team! Keir Starmer excepted.

brokenwheel

Pulpstar said:

TheWhiteRabbit said:

Pulpstar said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Dromedary, last time I checked the odds Hofer was 1.4 and the other chap 2.75 on Ladbrokes.

The polling I saw (around the same time as you) gave Hofer a small lead.

If the other man wins, questions about legitimacy may rise again given previous irregularities.

The polling is the same as last time, a complete wash.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_for_the_Austrian_presidential_election,_2016

Remarkable how few people have changed their vote.

I would wager that the margin of victory will be bigger than the polls imply.

Who do you think will win ?

Bellen ?

Not sure how much it matters but Hofer won the post-debate polls by 8 points after the first two debates IIRC. I think there has been a third debate but not sure if there was an insta-poll for that?

foxinsoxuk

Morris_Dancer said:

Dr. Foxinsox, for a n00b at Diplomacy, could you explain that opening?

https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/Diplomacy/Austria#Blue_Water_Opening:_F_Tri_-.3E_ADR

DecrepitJohnL

rottenborough said:

This is a good question for the Corbynista:

(((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 14m14 minutes ago
Could anyone who is a Corbyn supporter explain why - given Labour is now supposedly "united" - the Tory poll lead continues to widen.

A good question *from* the Corbynistas is since when were the polls any guide?

And that is a real problem. Corbynistas have no reason to believe the polls which were wrong about every ballot within recent memory, and after Brown and Miliband were beaten, no reason to believe a more mainstream leader would be elected. So how are you going to convince them?

Morris_Dancer

Dr. Foxinsox, cheers.

SandyRentool

Pulpstar said:

rottenborough said:

This is a good question for the Corbynista:

(((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 14m14 minutes ago
Could anyone who is a Corbyn supporter explain why - given Labour is now supposedly "united" - the Tory poll lead continues to widen.

Has the public noticed Labour being "united" yet ?

Last time I checked they (The PLP) were backing Owen Smith !

So were the pre-May 2015 membership. If it wasn't for the entryists we would be united.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Rentool, if it weren't for the PLP itself, idiotically putting Corbyn on the ballot.

Pulpstar

I've created a diplomacy game:

124083. PB.com
politicalbetting

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Pulpstar, remind us of the URL, could you?

SandyRentool

DecrepitJohnL said:

rottenborough said:

This is a good question for the Corbynista:

(((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 14m14 minutes ago
Could anyone who is a Corbyn supporter explain why - given Labour is now supposedly "united" - the Tory poll lead continues to widen.

A good question *from* the Corbynistas is since when were the polls any guide?

And that is a real problem. Corbynistas have no reason to believe the polls which were wrong about every ballot within recent memory, and after Brown and Miliband were beaten, no reason to believe a more mainstream leader would be elected. So how are you going to convince them?

The first step is to get them to realise that Jezza is a dud. The second step is to offer an option that involves changing the leader but not the manifesto.

SandyRentool

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Rentool, if it weren't for the PLP itself, idiotically putting Corbyn on the ballot.

It seemed like a good idea at the time to "widen the debate".

BannedInParis

DecrepitJohnL said:

rottenborough said:

This is a good question for the Corbynista:

(((Dan Hodges))) ‏@DPJHodges 14m14 minutes ago
Could anyone who is a Corbyn supporter explain why - given Labour is now supposedly "united" - the Tory poll lead continues to widen.

A good question *from* the Corbynistas is since when were the polls any guide?

And that is a real problem. Corbynistas have no reason to believe the polls which were wrong about every ballot within recent memory, and after Brown and Miliband were beaten, no reason to believe a more mainstream leader would be elected. So how are you going to convince them?

An election.

It'll be fine, let them ignore the signs for as long as it takes.

FF43

Philip_Thompson said:

FF43 said:

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. 43, given the importance of farmers I wonder if there'd be an extension of the voluntarily expensive milk.

Mr. Max, understandable advice. [As an aside, it's counter-intuitive but the story a couple of years ago indicated most victims were male].

The deliberately expensive milk, meat and grains come from tariff quotas. If we "fall back" on WTO rules we won't have them any more and these products will see their farm gate prices fall by a third or more. The same may occur anyway as part of the WTO renegotiations that follow Brexit. That will make most agriculture in Britain uneconomic, certainly on current land values.

Not necessarily. Look at what happened in New Zealand when they abolished tariffs and subsidies.

I agree there is a case for abolishing tariffs. The difference with New Zealand is that it is a country with relatively large amounts of land suitable for animal grazing with a small population to be supported by it. The New Zealand experience was a pretty brutal one as well. It wasn't planned but was forced by a crisis.

Morris_Dancer

Mr. Rentool, no, it didn't. It was always idiotic.

The Miliband changes meant the role of MPs had changed to being gatekeepers, from having substantial voting weight. Their task was to only permit credible leaders who found they acceptable onto the shortlist. They failed to understand their own rules, backed a man they didn't want then found out they'd made a terrible mistake.

Pulpstar

Morris_Dancer said:

Mr. Pulpstar, remind us of the URL, could you?

http://www.playdiplomacy.com/