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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    @Thewhiterabbit re you tempted to cover Le Pen at all (5.2/3ish now)
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    De nombreuses allusions laissent pourtant entendre que François Fillon sera très vite déclaré gagnant : des envoyés spéciaux ont par exemple fait remarquer que plusieurs cadres juppéistes ont disparu du QG de campagne du maire de Bordeaux.

    There are a number of indications that Fillon will be declared the winner; for example several Juppéists have left the headquarters of Juppé's campaign
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    https://twitter.com/matti_colley/status/802950147084664832

    How much did Fillon get in Normandy in the first round ?
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    Pulpstar said:

    @Thewhiterabbit re you tempted to cover Le Pen at all (5.2/3ish now)

    Not yet, if at all.

    My target here was £300. I would of course like to be in a position to risk less to achieve that, but 3/8 is an acceptable price (if Fillon wins).
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    Speedy said:

    https://twitter.com/matti_colley/status/802950147084664832

    How much did Fillon get in Normandy in the first round ?

    Quettehou is one commune, I doubt the départmental results would do justice here
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    Speedy said:

    https://twitter.com/matti_colley/status/802950147084664832

    How much did Fillon get in Normandy in the first round ?

    Dunno but 75-1 doesn't look like a good price right now for Juppe.
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    The irony here I'll probabyl finish the night green on Juppé because I want my money back on Betfair and I have pro-Juppé bets elsewhere.
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    MTimTMTimT Posts: 7,034
    Speedy said:


    rcs1000 said:

    How's Macron looking?

    Macron backers will be hoping for a Fillon victory :)
    I can't understand this obsession with Macron, being Minister of the Economy under Hollande is not a vote getter, it's a vote repeller.

    "Failed Minister of the Economy" is not an election winner on his CV.
    It's the investment banker part of his resume that is the vote getter ;)
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,099
    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:


    rcs1000 said:

    How's Macron looking?

    Macron backers will be hoping for a Fillon victory :)
    I can't understand this obsession with Macron, being Minister of the Economy under Hollande is not a vote getter, it's a vote repeller.

    "Failed Minister of the Economy" is not an election winner on his CV.
    Yet he gets twice the first round votes of Valls or Hollande in the polls.

    He is widely regarded as a reformer who was stymied by his boss.

    And there are a lot of centre and left wing votes in France that don't have a home: off the top of my head there is Melenchon 13%, Hollande/Valls 8%, the Green Candidate 4%, Bayrou 9%, and Macron 15%. He is the credible 'Stop a Le Pen vs Fillon" second round candidate.
    I wouldn't touch anything that has the stink of the Hollande government, especially on the economy, so Hollande, Valls, Macron are out.

    And also why would left wing voters vote for thacherite Macron to stop thacherite Fillon anyway.
    I think you are in a minority of one if you think Macron is Thatcherite.
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    I love how the French for "retire" as in, Fillon retires to write his speech, is also the French for surrender...!
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    MP_SEMP_SE Posts: 3,642
    RobD said:

    MP_SE said:

    "Wisconsin elections officials see no proof of hacking of voting machines"

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/27/wisconsin-elections-officials-see-no-proof-of-hack/

    And it is surprising she is still using that discredited argument that Trump over-performed in areas with voting machines.
    Stein is all about trying to extract as much $$$ from Clinton supporters.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    edited November 2016
    Golden rule: Bet against the leftist twitterati.

    https://twitter.com/BeaufilsBen/status/799473078300348416
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited November 2016
    François Fillon wants to build an EU army and an alliance with Russia (I believe the fashionable phrase is "Good luck with that"), and an alliance with Iran too, and to position the euro as a reserve currency to rival the US dollar. Not much Thatcherism there. But wait. He promises to cut public spending, to boot the trade unions, and to extend the working week. Cries of "That's more like it!" and "Stop mollycoddling the chavs!" were heard in Rotary clubs across England and Wales, but it's not a huge deal to be more popular than Juppé and Sarkozy, and can he actually win? He will be at 1.4 by tomorrow, but by April? He's such a tea-drinking "Englishman in French clothing", though, that he'll love the first round being on St George's Day.

    Perhaps the biggest issue of the election once the primaries are over will be the EU. If Le Pen embraces Frexit, rather than just saying she'll hold a referendum, she's in with a strong chance.

    One sub-indicator here is whether Nigel Farage will back her. OK I've just lampooned the "how it looks from England" attitude, but I believe his backing could play well among the French electorate.
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    CD13CD13 Posts: 6,351
    edited November 2016
    Mr Dromedary,

    The Soviets gained more from the Cuban Missile Crisis.

    Krushchev was concerned about the Jupiter missiles being based in Turkey, so wanted parity. His sabre-rattling was dangerous because he underestimated Castro's lunacy. They realised then how close to war they were coming.

    However, he gained the withdrawal of the Jupiter missiles, albeit at the cost of discovering how unstable Castro could be. They may have lost the PR battle, but then no one trusted Pravda anyway, so he had little to lose.
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    BarnesianBarnesian Posts: 8,008
    rkrkrk said:

    Dromedary said:

    What a load of waffle the article that starts this thread is!

    Yes I struggled to get what the overall message was... and did wonder whether it could have been made in about half the space.
    See my post at 6:01.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    Juppe out to 90/180 !
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    Pulpstar said:

    Juppe out to 90/180 !

    They think it's all over...

    Remember the French media know a lot more than they are allowed to say. My French is not good enough to pick up on the mood, though...
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    True but the first results really are an indicator that indeed the exit poll is correct as to the winner.

    Just from the above it's Fillon 81% , Juppe 19%.
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:


    rcs1000 said:

    How's Macron looking?

    Macron backers will be hoping for a Fillon victory :)
    I can't understand this obsession with Macron, being Minister of the Economy under Hollande is not a vote getter, it's a vote repeller.

    "Failed Minister of the Economy" is not an election winner on his CV.
    Yet he gets twice the first round votes of Valls or Hollande in the polls.

    He is widely regarded as a reformer who was stymied by his boss.

    And there are a lot of centre and left wing votes in France that don't have a home: off the top of my head there is Melenchon 13%, Hollande/Valls 8%, the Green Candidate 4%, Bayrou 9%, and Macron 15%. He is the credible 'Stop a Le Pen vs Fillon" second round candidate.
    I wouldn't touch anything that has the stink of the Hollande government, especially on the economy, so Hollande, Valls, Macron are out.

    And also why would left wing voters vote for thacherite Macron to stop thacherite Fillon anyway.
    I think you are in a minority of one if you think Macron is Thatcherite.
    My friends in Paris are real fans of his
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    BromptonautBromptonaut Posts: 1,113

    Carney holding talks with businessmen to persuade them to call for Britain to remain in the single market till 2021.

    http://www.cityam.com/254463/brexit-buffer-mark-carney-pushes-stay-single-market-until

    Just who does this man think he is? Jumped up little prick.

    He's the adult in the room, trying to wrest the shotgun from the grip of the lunatic who's desperate to shoot herself in the foot.
    Not really his job.

    Warning of the risks of Brexit was much closer to his job than this!
    Utterly ridiculous.
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    If Macron had managed to take over the PS he would almost exactly have replicated Blair.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    If Macron had managed to take over the PS he would almost exactly have replicated Blair.

    Again he would be hitting the wall on the vote issue if he attempted it, like which socialist would vote for him to take over the socialist party ?
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited November 2016
    69.5% Fillon after ~ 20%
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100
    Indeed Fillon might have exceeded the exit poll numbers:

    https://twitter.com/MarionLory1/status/802956201818460160
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    I still haven't gone in on any LR candidate. Just on Macron, le Pen and a tiny bit Melenchon and Montebourg.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    69.5% Fillon after ~ 20%

    A Filet for Fillon.
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    In Brittany all 103 polling stations (of 300) already reported have gone for Fillon
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005

    In Brittany all 103 polling stations (of 300) already reported have gone for Fillon

    Where are you getting live results in from ?
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,099
    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:


    rcs1000 said:

    How's Macron looking?

    Macron backers will be hoping for a Fillon victory :)
    I can't understand this obsession with Macron, being Minister of the Economy under Hollande is not a vote getter, it's a vote repeller.

    "Failed Minister of the Economy" is not an election winner on his CV.
    Yet he gets twice the first round votes of Valls or Hollande in the polls.

    He is widely regarded as a reformer who was stymied by his boss.

    And there are a lot of centre and left wing votes in France that don't have a home: off the top of my head there is Melenchon 13%, Hollande/Valls 8%, the Green Candidate 4%, Bayrou 9%, and Macron 15%. He is the credible 'Stop a Le Pen vs Fillon" second round candidate.
    I wouldn't touch anything that has the stink of the Hollande government, especially on the economy, so Hollande, Valls, Macron are out.

    And also why would left wing voters vote for thacherite Macron to stop thacherite Fillon anyway.
    I think you are in a minority of one if you think Macron is Thatcherite.
    My friends in Paris are real fans of his
    Almost everyone I know thinks well of him, even those who disagree with him. He's also managed to be one of those politicians onto whom people project their hopes (in the absence of detailed policy statements). I think that puts him in a place to pick up quite a few first round votes. And there are a lot of centrist and left wing voters in France without a home.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    In Brittany all 103 polling stations (of 300) already reported have gone for Fillon

    If Juppe has barely done better than the 1st round then the only place where he might have won is Bordeaux.
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    Pulpstar said:

    In Brittany all 103 polling stations (of 300) already reported have gone for Fillon

    Where are you getting live results in from ?
    At the moment

    http://www.lefigaro.fr/elections/presidentielles/primaires-droite/2016/11/27/35004-20161127LIVWWW00159-resultats-primaire-droite-fillon-juppe-live-reactions-second-tour.php

    In French obv
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    On Macron, I showed a picture of him to my mum and she thinks women will vote for him.
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    rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 54,099
    Dromedary said:

    François Fillon wants to build an EU army and an alliance with Russia (I believe the fashionable phrase is "Good luck with that"), and an alliance with Iran too, and to position the euro as a reserve currency to rival the US dollar. Not much Thatcherism there. But wait. He promises to cut public spending, to boot the trade unions, and to extend the working week. Cries of "That's more like it!" and "Stop mollycoddling the chavs!" were heard in Rotary clubs across England and Wales, but it's not a huge deal to be more popular than Juppé and Sarkozy, and can he actually win? He will be at 1.4 by tomorrow, but by April? He's such a tea-drinking "Englishman in French clothing", though, that he'll love the first round being on St George's Day.

    Perhaps the biggest issue of the election once the primaries are over will be the EU. If Le Pen embraces Frexit, rather than just saying she'll hold a referendum, she's in with a strong chance.

    One sub-indicator here is whether Nigel Farage will back her. OK I've just lampooned the "how it looks from England" attitude, but I believe his backing could play well among the French electorate.

    Most of the Le Pen supporters I know, and I know quite a few, are massively more concerned about Muslim immigration and lack of integration into French culture than they are about the EU.

    Also, isn't FN policy to have a referendum on French membership of the Euro, rather than the EU?
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    MP_SE said:

    Stein is all about trying to extract as much $$$ from Clinton supporters.

    Somebody had better tell the Wisconsin attorney-general then, rather than abusing their position as US president-elect. If a charge of fraud is laid, Jill Stein will be entitled to a fair trial and the verdict should be decided on the evidence that's put before the court rather than Donald Trump's tweets. And when will Trump divest himself of his foreign-held assets and the private business arrangements he enjoys with foreign parties? The amount of money that Stein is collecting is miniscule and probably wouldn't even buy a penthouse flat in a Trump skyscraper in Istanbul or Panama.

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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2016
    Fillon on almost 70% according to this:

    http://www.tdg.ch/
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    CharlesCharles Posts: 35,758
    rcs1000 said:

    Charles said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:

    rcs1000 said:

    Speedy said:


    rcs1000 said:

    How's Macron looking?

    Macron backers will be hoping for a Fillon victory :)
    I can't understand this obsession with Macron, being Minister of the Economy under Hollande is not a vote getter, it's a vote repeller.

    "Failed Minister of the Economy" is not an election winner on his CV.
    Yet he gets twice the first round votes of Valls or Hollande in the polls.

    He is widely regarded as a reformer who was stymied by his boss.

    And there are a lot of centre and left wing votes in France that don't have a home: off the top of my head there is Melenchon 13%, Hollande/Valls 8%, the Green Candidate 4%, Bayrou 9%, and Macron 15%. He is the credible 'Stop a Le Pen vs Fillon" second round candidate.
    I wouldn't touch anything that has the stink of the Hollande government, especially on the economy, so Hollande, Valls, Macron are out.

    And also why would left wing voters vote for thacherite Macron to stop thacherite Fillon anyway.
    I think you are in a minority of one if you think Macron is Thatcherite.
    My friends in Paris are real fans of his
    Almost everyone I know thinks well of him, even those who disagree with him. He's also managed to be one of those politicians onto whom people project their hopes (in the absence of detailed policy statements). I think that puts him in a place to pick up quite a few first round votes. And there are a lot of centrist and left wing voters in France without a home.
    The PE community backs him...
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    Pulpstar said:

    In Brittany all 103 polling stations (of 300) already reported have gone for Fillon

    Where are you getting live results in from ?
    The results are now populating on the Repubican's website.

    https://resultats.primaire2016.org/index.html#/total
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    TheWhiteRabbitTheWhiteRabbit Posts: 12,388
    edited November 2016
    35% counted Fillon on 68% If I read that right

    Needs just 40% elsewhere

    https://resultats.primaire2016.org/index.html#/total
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    Pulpstar said:

    In Brittany all 103 polling stations (of 300) already reported have gone for Fillon

    Where are you getting live results in from ?
    The results are now populating on the Repubican's website.

    https://resultats.primaire2016.org/index.html#/total
    Yep, the only place Juppe is winning is his home city of Bordeaux.
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    tlg86 said:

    On Macron, I showed a picture of him to my mum and she thinks women will vote for him.

    That's it. I'm going all in.
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    rcs1000 said:

    Dromedary said:

    François Fillon wants to build an EU army and an alliance with Russia (I believe the fashionable phrase is "Good luck with that"), and an alliance with Iran too, and to position the euro as a reserve currency to rival the US dollar. Not much Thatcherism there. But wait. He promises to cut public spending, to boot the trade unions, and to extend the working week. Cries of "That's more like it!" and "Stop mollycoddling the chavs!" were heard in Rotary clubs across England and Wales, but it's not a huge deal to be more popular than Juppé and Sarkozy, and can he actually win? He will be at 1.4 by tomorrow, but by April? He's such a tea-drinking "Englishman in French clothing", though, that he'll love the first round being on St George's Day.

    Perhaps the biggest issue of the election once the primaries are over will be the EU. If Le Pen embraces Frexit, rather than just saying she'll hold a referendum, she's in with a strong chance.

    One sub-indicator here is whether Nigel Farage will back her. OK I've just lampooned the "how it looks from England" attitude, but I believe his backing could play well among the French electorate.

    Most of the Le Pen supporters I know, and I know quite a few, are massively more concerned about Muslim immigration and lack of integration into French culture than they are about the EU.

    Also, isn't FN policy to have a referendum on French membership of the Euro, rather than the EU?
    I think there is an element of national pride, a political project where France leads, when considering the EU.
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    40% counted, Fillon needs just 37% in the remainder
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    tlg86 said:

    On Macron, I showed a picture of him to my mum and she thinks women will vote for him.

    That's it. I'm going all in.
    You're going all in on Macron, but what are you doing with your bets?
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    tlg86 said:

    On Macron, I showed a picture of him to my mum and she thinks women will vote for him.

    That's it. I'm going all in.
    You're going all in on Macron, but what are you doing with your bets?
    You misunderstand, he's going all in on tlg's mum
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited November 2016
    Early days but basically it looks like Fillon is hoovering up everyone who didn't vote Juppé in the first round.
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    tlg86 said:

    On Macron, I showed a picture of him to my mum and she thinks women will vote for him.

    That's it. I'm going all in.
    You're going all in on Macron, but what are you doing with your bets?
    You misunderstand, he's going all in on tlg's mum
    This is starting to sound like a What'sApp chat with your mates.
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    edited November 2016
    Barnesian said:

    A very heavy read! Flesch-Kincaid Reading Ease of 23. - "Very difficult to read. Best understood by university graduates." Fine for Richmond Park.

    I used www.tools4noobs.com/summarize/ to summarise it as follows:

    "What we are seeing, in the rise of populism, is an appeal to a population who are not simply divided along socioeconomic lines, or even in terms of the left-right political spectrum, but as a reflection of differential psycho-philosophical responses to largely unmandated societal transformation.

    Ultimately, it’s about trust, which is fast disappearing at every level of society, and with the perception that the system is rotten from the top down and those behind the wheel determined to drive us off a cliff, our bought-off bureaucracy’s vehicles of progress, and even our direction of travel, are now in question.

    Interestingly, here in the UK the Labour Party arguably has the most to lose or gain by ignoring or observing the take home message from recent developments, as it sets out its vision of ‘21st Century Socialism’.

    However, what most commentators fail to appreciate, or perhaps daren’t say, is that the protest vote goes deeper than the much parroted axioms that people are uninspired by the same old insipid political ‘suits’, fed up with the malfeasance of the elite, have been economically ‘left behind’, or are simply “deplorable” ‘angry white men’."

    Yes - that makes sense.

    :) That's a fascinating resource.

    Micro-summarising the summary, I get:

    "Many people whatever their income level or left-right preferences deeply distrust the system and its administrators. The Labour party has most to lose or gain."
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    tlg86 said:

    On Macron, I showed a picture of him to my mum and she thinks women will vote for him.

    That's it. I'm going all in.
    You're going all in on Macron, but what are you doing with your bets?
    You misunderstand, he's going all in on tlg's mum
    This is starting to sound like a What'sApp chat with your mates.
    The first gutter comment I have made in a while on pb, to be fair
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    tlg86 said:

    On Macron, I showed a picture of him to my mum and she thinks women will vote for him.

    That's it. I'm going all in.
    You're going all in on Macron, but what are you doing with your bets?
    You misunderstand, he's going all in on tlg's mum
    This is starting to sound like a What'sApp chat with your mates.
    It's not the the WhatsApp chat with my mates that gets me into trouble
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    46% counted, Fillon needs 34% elsewhere. It's all over. The question is why you can still only get 200/1 on him or Sarko.
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    I called it yesterday morning, Ed's going home, no way the judges are saving him.
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    Oh shit...

    England's Billy Vunipola is likely to miss the Six Nations with a knee injury which will keep him out of action for at least three months.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    Got my first lump of cash back on Juppe, £2 @ 240.0 - leaving another £2 @ 280 up to hopefully match and get him back to the field red.
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291

    I called it yesterday morning, Ed's going home, no way the judges are saving him.

    SCD slow declaraton a great way to run the result through at Morely & Outwood.
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    FloaterFloater Posts: 14,195
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    dr_spyndr_spyn Posts: 11,291
    Demand for reform of the voting system gathers pace.
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    tlg86 said:

    On Macron, I showed a picture of him to my mum and she thinks women will vote for him.

    That's it. I'm going all in.
    You're going all in on Macron, but what are you doing with your bets?
    You misunderstand, he's going all in on tlg's mum
    This is starting to sound like a What'sApp chat with your mates.
    It's not the the WhatsApp chat with my mates that gets me into trouble
    Do I want to hear more.
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    SpeedySpeedy Posts: 12,100

    I called it yesterday morning, Ed's going home, no way the judges are saving him.

    And thus the dreams of Ed Balls to become President lie dead.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005

    46% counted, Fillon needs 34% elsewhere. It's all over. The question is why you can still only get 200/1 on him or Sarko.

    Market doesn't resolve till April so not worth holding a red thats just going to live around ~ 200-1 for months (See Bernie Sanders)
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    After watching this, I'm convinced it's not possible for Peter Hitchens to be happy about anything. Ever.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUjLmw4bgq0
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    What have I started?! FWIW my mum thinks that a lot of Blair's success was built on his looks.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,628
    edited November 2016

    tlg86 said:

    On Macron, I showed a picture of him to my mum and she thinks women will vote for him.

    That's it. I'm going all in.
    You're going all in on Macron, but what are you doing with your bets?
    You misunderstand, he's going all in on tlg's mum
    This is starting to sound like a What'sApp chat with your mates.
    It's not the the WhatsApp chat with my mates that gets me into trouble
    Do I want to hear more.
    Put it this way, there's an accident waiting to happen when your current girlfriend, ex, and your executive assistant, are listed next to each other on the contact on your phone, and all three of them have Christian names beginning with Mel
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    AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Dromedary said:

    ? The amount of money that Stein is collecting is miniscule and probably wouldn't even buy a penthouse flat in a Trump skyscraper in Istanbul or Panama.

    Trump is already making money from being president elect. The Secret Service have had to rent out two floors of Trump Towers. That is done at commercial rates and it goes staight feom the public's purse to Trump's company.
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    Pulpstar said:

    46% counted, Fillon needs 34% elsewhere. It's all over. The question is why you can still only get 200/1 on him or Sarko.

    Market doesn't resolve till April so not worth holding a red thats just going to live around ~ 200-1 for months (See Bernie Sanders)
    Yet someone will 349/1 on Bayrou
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    tlg86 said:

    On Macron, I showed a picture of him to my mum and she thinks women will vote for him.

    That's it. I'm going all in.
    You're going all in on Macron, but what are you doing with your bets?
    You misunderstand, he's going all in on tlg's mum
    This is starting to sound like a What'sApp chat with your mates.
    It's not the the WhatsApp chat with my mates that gets me into trouble
    Do I want to hear more.
    Put it this way, there's an accident waiting to happen when your current girlfriend, ex, and your executive assistant, are listed next to each other on the contact on your phone, and all three of them have Christian names beginning with Mel
    Ah.
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    timmotimmo Posts: 1,469
    tlg86 said:

    What have I started?! FWIW my mum thinks that a lot of Blair's success was built on his looks.

    It didnt hurt him..
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    tlg86 said:

    On Macron, I showed a picture of him to my mum and she thinks women will vote for him.

    That's it. I'm going all in.
    he'll get into second round on his looks.
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    Betfair aren't offering a price on Nicolas Dupont-Aignan, leader of Debout La France, who is currently scoring around 4% in polling for the first round. Dupont-Aignan is Nigel Farage's preferred candidate. Like Nigel, Nicolas enjoys giving interviews to Russia Today ;) Unlike Fillon and Le Pen, he's an énarque.

    I doubt that Farage will wait until the results of the first round before he endorses Le Pen. Kushner, Breitbart and the White House will tell him do it much sooner.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    Who has the £605 wanting to back Sarko at 280.0 - that's what I want to know...
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    rcs1000 said:

    Dromedary said:

    François Fillon wants to build an EU army and an alliance with Russia (I believe the fashionable phrase is "Good luck with that"), and an alliance with Iran too, and to position the euro as a reserve currency to rival the US dollar. Not much Thatcherism there. But wait. He promises to cut public spending, to boot the trade unions, and to extend the working week. Cries of "That's more like it!" and "Stop mollycoddling the chavs!" were heard in Rotary clubs across England and Wales, but it's not a huge deal to be more popular than Juppé and Sarkozy, and can he actually win? He will be at 1.4 by tomorrow, but by April? He's such a tea-drinking "Englishman in French clothing", though, that he'll love the first round being on St George's Day.

    Perhaps the biggest issue of the election once the primaries are over will be the EU. If Le Pen embraces Frexit, rather than just saying she'll hold a referendum, she's in with a strong chance.

    One sub-indicator here is whether Nigel Farage will back her. OK I've just lampooned the "how it looks from England" attitude, but I believe his backing could play well among the French electorate.

    Most of the Le Pen supporters I know, and I know quite a few, are massively more concerned about Muslim immigration and lack of integration into French culture than they are about the EU.

    Also, isn't FN policy to have a referendum on French membership of the Euro, rather than the EU?
    I think there is an element of national pride, a political project where France leads, when considering the EU.
    I think that Frexit would be enormously more complicated than Brexit, and neither Eu-immigration nor budgetary contributions would carry the same weight.
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    OmniumOmnium Posts: 9,806
    What a ghastly man Lewis Hamilton is. Simply not a gentleman.
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Pulpstar said:

    Who has the £605 wanting to back Sarko at 280.0 - that's what I want to know...

    Why not be brave and lay it? :)
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    Alain Juppé concedes.

    Cannot believe any sensible punter ever backed Juppé :lol:
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005
    tlg86 said:

    Pulpstar said:

    Who has the £605 wanting to back Sarko at 280.0 - that's what I want to know...

    Why not be brave and lay it? :)
    Expected Internal rate of return is too low. (And slow counters in California/Jill Stein are tieing up my money elsewhere)
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    Pulpstar said:

    Who has the £605 wanting to back Sarko at 280.0 - that's what I want to know...

    The ability to see from where the money is coming from would be fascinating.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,600

    Carney holding talks with businessmen to persuade them to call for Britain to remain in the single market till 2021.

    http://www.cityam.com/254463/brexit-buffer-mark-carney-pushes-stay-single-market-until

    Just who does this man think he is? Jumped up little prick.

    He's the adult in the room, trying to wrest the shotgun from the grip of the lunatic who's desperate to shoot herself in the foot.
    An entirely subjective opinion (and based on zero positive career achievements either past or present), but also utterly irrelevant. Political interference of this type, whether or not you feel it's warranted, is entirely outside the limits of his role.
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    On topic, where are my manners, what an interesting and well written thread.
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,600

    On topic, where are my manners, what an interesting and well written thread.

    Yes, I agree. A good read.
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005

    Alain Juppé concedes.

    Cannot believe any sensible punter ever backed Juppé :lol:

    The French Hillary Clinton.
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    Pulpstar said:

    Alain Juppé concedes.

    Cannot believe any sensible punter ever backed Juppé :lol:

    The French Hillary Clinton.
    I managed to reverse ferret my position in the past seven days
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005

    Pulpstar said:

    Alain Juppé concedes.

    Cannot believe any sensible punter ever backed Juppé :lol:

    The French Hillary Clinton.
    I managed to reverse ferret my position in the past seven days
    Well I've gone from £118 on Juppe (Pre 1st round) to a book with a value of ~ -£25 now so happy enough about that.
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    46% counted, Fillon needs 34% elsewhere. It's all over. The question is why you can still only get 200/1 on him or Sarko.

    Well, April is still quite a way away. Scandal could yet emerge (though whether either would be the go-to guy after this has to be open to doubt).
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    MikeKMikeK Posts: 9,053
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-38126222

    Alain Juppe concedes defeat in French Republican primary race as Francois Fillon wins by wide margin

    Anyone know the figures?
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    brokenwheelbrokenwheel Posts: 3,352
    edited November 2016
    Currently;

    FF 67.3% AJ 32.7%
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    The march to the right continues - must have implications through Europe. Italy and Austria next week could just see the euro fall to parity as the dollar and pound continue their steady rise and if continuing into 2017 should reduce inflationary pressure and cause problems for the project fear forecasts of the OBR and IFS
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    Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 60,410
    edited November 2016
    Ironic report in today's Sunday Times that Tata are to invest 100 million into UK steel including saving Port Talbot and thousands of jobs. Tata have moved into profit following the pounds depreciation. Wales took the right decision to leave the EU and save these vital jobs
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,314
    edited November 2016
    Speaking of performing pols (or their partners)..

    'Holocaust-themed ice skating routine by Putin aide's wife sparks outrage'

    http://tinyurl.com/j7whkkk
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    GeoffMGeoffM Posts: 6,071

    Speaking of performing pols..

    'Holocaust-themed ice skating routine by Putin aide's wife sparks outrage'

    http://tinyurl.com/j7whkkk

    Apparently it was quite a Sho'ah.
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    dr_spyn said:
    He was very entertaining and deserved to go this far but it is fair that the finals are for genuine dancers
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    Currently;

    FF 67.3% AJ 32.7%

    Down from 69.5%, the fightback is on!!

    Shame he needs about 150% of the remaining vote.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819

    dr_spyn said:
    He was very entertaining and deserved to go this far but it is fair that the finals are for genuine dancers
    This is the best time for him to go out - rehabilitation complete before he started kicking out actual talented dancers. If he had won there would be a backlash and he'd have to defend himself constantly.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,628
    edited November 2016
    What's the next level up from jumping the shark?

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/802972944532209664
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    PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 76,005

    Currently;

    FF 67.3% AJ 32.7%

    Down from 69.5%, the fightback is on!!

    Shame he needs about 150% of the remaining vote.
    Leftwing areas slow counting ... again :p ?
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    foxinsoxukfoxinsoxuk Posts: 23,548

    dr_spyn said:
    He was very entertaining and deserved to go this far but it is fair that the finals are for genuine dancers
    He has left at the ideal time. Maximum positive publicity as being good for a laugh, without anoying proper dancing fans by winning.
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    ParistondaParistonda Posts: 1,819
    This guy is something else entirely. The whole gracious 'unifier' theme has rapidly fallen away. Also, so much for him becoming presidential now he no longer has to campaign. The Trump we saw was the true Trump.

    Donald J. TrumpVerified account
    @realDonaldTrump
    In addition to winning the Electoral College in a landslide, I won the popular vote if you deduct the millions of people who voted illegally
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    @MattChorley: Judges rule against Ed Balls and Honey G. #EnemiesOfThePeople
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