The Mori figures still represent a swing to the Conservatives from both Lab and LDs, from 2015, in mid-term and with what might charitably be described as policy formation still in progress.
Fpt @Plato I saw Bedfordshire plod's unfortunate tweet last night. It must stick in their throat that Tommy Robinson was one of the first to spot the Fubar.
Not too much to get excited about in the headline figures. Not much change on two months ago.
Mrs May should be more concerned that Brexit is perceived to be being handled badly. Nothing in the news in the last couple of days is going to have altered that impression either. Time to get a grip.
That 33% seems awfully optimistic, more than Miliband got last year. Maybe it's because Corbyn has been off the TV for a few weeks.
Maybe Labour just won't lose that many more voters, beyond what Miliband lost, and in the end voters are generally still more tribal than we assume. We saw that with the GOP in the end, despite the supposed nevertrump exodus. If Labour keeps 95% of Miliband plus mops up some green and yellow, while being still the natural repository for those disillusioned with government, 33% is possible
This is a goldmine for JC at PMQs. Whilst I have sympathy with the gov regarding not laying open your negotiation strategy, the lack of detail forthcoming just leaves open goal after open goal. Even a terrible performer like JC can get wins with this.
As I said yesterday, Brexit is starting to have an Iraq-aftermath feel about it: the bullish rhetoric continues undimmed, but it seems to be less and less linked to reality. Leave need to hope that the analogy doesn't become fully realized: i.e. absolutely no one thinks Brexit was well conceived/implemented whatsoever, apart from a handful of Christopher Hitchens type diehards.
Mr. Eagles, disagree entirely. Leaving the EU and disentangling us from various current commitments will be complicated and prolonged. Those claiming that Article 50 takes a long time by itself seem universally (small sample size currently, of course) to be very pro-EU types.
Fpt @Plato I saw Bedfordshire plod's unfortunate tweet last night. It must stick in their throat that Tommy Robinson was one of the first to spot the Fubar.
FPT: Mr. 43, a senior judge shouldn't be flying a kite to meddle in politics.
Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence she'll be neutral when it comes to judging the case.
Have you even read the speech she gave in which these remarks were made? Its fairly clear that she was laying out both sides arguments but not coming to any conclusion on them.
FPT: Mr. 43, a senior judge shouldn't be flying a kite to meddle in politics.
Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence she'll be neutral when it comes to judging the case.
Have you even read the speech she gave in which these remarks were made? Its fairly clear that she was laying out both sides arguments but not coming to any conclusion on them.
May trying out a new meme regarding providing a running commentary for brexit- "best way to get the worst outcome" Could work, but her delivery is off...
FPT: Mr. 43, a senior judge shouldn't be flying a kite to meddle in politics.
Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence she'll be neutral when it comes to judging the case.
Have you even read the speech she gave in which these remarks were made? Its fairly clear that she was laying out both sides arguments but not coming to any conclusion on them.
You're right, but I think Mr Dancer has a point. If she is going to be judging the case, she should keep quiet about anything that could touch it, even if she is just setting out hypothetical arguments and general legal principles.
As I said yesterday, Brexit is starting to have an Iraq-aftermath feel about it: the bullish rhetoric continues undimmed, but it seems to be less and less linked to reality. Leave need to hope that the analogy doesn't become fully realized: i.e. absolutely no one thinks Brexit was well conceived/implemented whatsoever, apart from a handful of Christopher Hitchens type diehards.
We may be headed towards the inevitable public enquiry into how the Cameron government served up a false binary choice with no preparation for this result.
May trying out a new meme regarding providing a running commentary for brexit- "best way to get the worst outcome" Could work, but her delivery is off...
TMay appears to have hit the nail on the head with that comment. As many saner voices on here have said over the past few months.
@JGForsyth: May's approach to customs union informed by her JHA opt outs policy as Home Secretary: leave it and then opt back into bits you like 1/2
@JGForsyth: 2/2 But question is whether the EU 27 will be interested in such an approach, they do have a surplus on cars, and whether WTO will accept it
The Mori figures still represent a swing to the Conservatives from both Lab and LDs, from 2015, in mid-term and with what might charitably be described as policy formation still in progress.
Lots of straws being clutched there . Look at the data tables . Conservatives lose 16 2015 Conservative voters to Lib Dems and gain 1 2015 Lib Dem voter back Conservatives lose 8 2015 Conservative voters to Labour and gain 8 2015 Labour voters back Labour lose 12 2015 Labour voters to Lib Dems and gain 5 2015 Lib Dem voters back 102 Lib Dem voters in sample reduced to 89 after weighting 53 UKIP voters in sample increased to 73 after weighting Conservative and Labour voters numbers almost unchanged by weighting .
The Mori figures still represent a swing to the Conservatives from both Lab and LDs, from 2015, in mid-term and with what might charitably be described as policy formation still in progress.
Lots of straws being clutched there . Look at the data tables . Conservatives lose 16 2015 Conservative voters to Lib Dems and gain 1 2015 Lib Dem voter back Conservatives lose 8 2015 Conservative voters to Labour and gain 8 2015 Labour voters back Labour lose 12 2015 Labour voters to Lib Dems and gain 5 2015 Lib Dem voters back 102 Lib Dem voters in sample reduced to 89 after weighting 53 UKIP voters in sample increased to 73 after weighting Conservative and Labour voters numbers almost unchanged by weighting .
May trying out a new meme regarding providing a running commentary for brexit- "best way to get the worst outcome" Could work, but her delivery is off...
TMay appears to have hit the nail on the head with that comment. As many saner voices on here have said over the past few months.
I'd love to know the mechanism by which discussing the various options available to us, leads to us getting the worst possible outcome. They already know we are leaving and that our ideal situation would be all of the good bits of the EU and none of the bad so whatever we ask for is hardly going to be a surprise.
I suspect May really means worst outcome for herself rather than the country.
May trying out a new meme regarding providing a running commentary for brexit- "best way to get the worst outcome" Could work, but her delivery is off...
I suspect her problem is that a lot of people believe she doesn't have a plan.
She runs one of the leakiest governments of recent times,so we actually know a fair amount of what's going on. There are a lot of agendas. There is what I would describe as a wishlist, rather a plan. That's going to fall apart at the first contact with the enemy. What there isn't much of is anything that could accurately be described as strategy. Michel Barnier from the EU side does have a strategy: start with the exit terms; park any final agreements and haggle over the interim arrangement. Is that acceptable to the UK government? It looks like a fairly tough negotiating stance.
May trying out a new meme regarding providing a running commentary for brexit- "best way to get the worst outcome" Could work, but her delivery is off...
TMay appears to have hit the nail on the head with that comment. As many saner voices on here have said over the past few months.
I'd love to know the mechanism by which discussing the various options available to us, leads to us getting the worst possible outcome. They already know we are leaving and that our ideal situation would be all of the good bits of the EU and none of the bad so whatever we ask for is hardly going to be a surprise.
I suspect May really means worst outcome for herself rather than the country.
"discussing the various options available to us" is not what is being demanded. The gov is being asked for a hard plan for Brexit, not some sort of open committee discussing the options.
There's something fascinating about having a POTUS who uses his own twitter in such a personal and unrestricted way. We may actually get to know what the White House is really thinking far more so than any other president. He may give us interesting tidbits from intl summits etc. I figured he would stop tweeting after he won (following Cameron's twitter maxim), but he seems to be back in control of his account again.
FPT: Mr. 43, a senior judge shouldn't be flying a kite to meddle in politics.
Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence she'll be neutral when it comes to judging the case.
Have you even read the speech she gave in which these remarks were made? Its fairly clear that she was laying out both sides arguments but not coming to any conclusion on them.
Introducing to the debate the argument that a 'minimal' Act would be inadequate to trigger A50 is, however, accepting that that position is at least arguable, which suggests to me a willingness to consider two immense innovations. Firstly, that the Supreme Court can in effect strike down legislation by declaring it 'inadequate' (a possibility made all the more real by her assertion that the Supreme Court was now the 'guardian of the constitution'), and secondly - and consequently - placing some pieces of legislation at a higher status than others, when traditionally all primary legislation was of equal legal standing.
May trying out a new meme regarding providing a running commentary for brexit- "best way to get the worst outcome" Could work, but her delivery is off...
TMay appears to have hit the nail on the head with that comment. As many saner voices on here have said over the past few months.
I'd love to know the mechanism by which discussing the various options available to us, leads to us getting the worst possible outcome. They already know we are leaving and that our ideal situation would be all of the good bits of the EU and none of the bad so whatever we ask for is hardly going to be a surprise.
I suspect May really means worst outcome for herself rather than the country.
The US election was a huge news event even here in the U.K., and it isn't possible that part of the swing back to the centre-left is some sort of counter-reaction. If true, that helps the LibDems in Richmond since I know this is one of the secondary arguments they have been trying to deploy. Make a stand for liberalism while you still have the chance.
There's something fascinating about having a POTUS who uses his own twitter in such a personal and unrestricted way. We may actually get to know what the White House is really thinking far more so than any other president. He may give us interesting tidbits from intl summits etc. I figured he would stop tweeting after he won (following Cameron's twitter maxim), but he seems to be back in control of his account again.
Why doesn't Mrs May just them politely to mind their own business about the negotiations with the EU. The Government negotiate all the time with various people. It's called governing.
Side-line the whingers. When the deal is announced, humour them by letting them whinge in Parliamentary debate. Job done.
Not too much to get excited about in the headline figures. Not much change on two months ago.
Mrs May should be more concerned that Brexit is perceived to be being handled badly. Nothing in the news in the last couple of days is going to have altered that impression either. Time to get a grip.
As Zhou Enlai may have said in 1968 about the significance of the 1789 French Revolution……. …… it’s too soon to say
…… that the government has been competent or otherwise about Brexit.
I was watching a clip of the Donald on CBS recently. With his speaking style, I wonder how long it will be before he inadvertently reveals something highly classified.
Why doesn't Mrs May just them politely to mind their own business about the negotiations with the EU. The Government negotiate all the time with various people. It's called governing.
Side-line the whingers. When the deal is announced, humour them by letting them whinge in Parliamentary debate. Job done.
You don't feel that the terms we should seek for Brexit are a matter for legitimate public debate for MPs, just none of their business? Especially as the Government appears not yet to have any real idea what it thinks.
Not too much to get excited about in the headline figures. Not much change on two months ago.
Mrs May should be more concerned that Brexit is perceived to be being handled badly. Nothing in the news in the last couple of days is going to have altered that impression either. Time to get a grip.
As Zhou Enlai may have said in 1968 about the significance of the 1789 French Revolution……. …… it’s too soon to say
…… that the government has been competent or otherwise about Brexit.
Slight historical nitpick, Zhou Enlai's comments were made during Nixon's visit to China in 1972 and he probably misunderstood the question, thinking it was about the 1968 riots in Paris.
Zhou Enlai was notoriously cautious - like Theresa May, funnily enough - which is why he was the only Chinese leader to survive every purge. Even Mao was demoted at one point.
May trying out a new meme regarding providing a running commentary for brexit- "best way to get the worst outcome" Could work, but her delivery is off...
I suspect her problem is that a lot of people believe she doesn't have a plan.
She runs one of the leakiest governments of recent times,so we actually know a fair amount of what's going on. There are a lot of agendas. There is what I would describe as a wishlist, rather a plan. That's going to fall apart at the first contact with the enemy. What there isn't much of is anything that could accurately be described as strategy. Michel Barnier from the EU side does have a strategy: start with the exit terms; park any final agreements and haggle over the interim arrangement. Is that acceptable to the UK government? It looks like a fairly tough negotiating stance.
It's not "one of the leakiest governments of recent times". TM doesn't favour feeding the MSM beast with continuous titbits of propaganda. So the MSM makes up the news from speculation, gossip and shoddy reporting as in the case of the Deloitte memo.
The US election was a huge news event even here in the U.K., and it isn't possible that part of the swing back to the centre-left is some sort of counter-reaction. If true, that helps the LibDems in Richmond since I know this is one of the secondary arguments they have been trying to deploy. Make a stand for liberalism while you still have the chance.
The Tory right wants to join UKIP in snuggling close to President-elect Trump. May wants to be Thatcher to his Reagan. Being on the centre-left I am all for the Tories licking the bum of a man whose most senior advisor is a white supremacist. I am not sure it will be that good for brand Britain, though; especially when you remember that Trump is not exactly popular in the US either.
I was watching a clip of the Donald on CBS recently. With his speaking style, I wonder how long it will be before he inadvertently reveals something highly classified.
Which is possible, but how on earth could you tell he wasn't just making stuff up ?
May trying out a new meme regarding providing a running commentary for brexit- "best way to get the worst outcome" Could work, but her delivery is off...
I suspect her problem is that a lot of people believe she doesn't have a plan.
She runs one of the leakiest governments of recent times,so we actually know a fair amount of what's going on. There are a lot of agendas. There is what I would describe as a wishlist, rather a plan. That's going to fall apart at the first contact with the enemy. What there isn't much of is anything that could accurately be described as strategy. Michel Barnier from the EU side does have a strategy: start with the exit terms; park any final agreements and haggle over the interim arrangement. Is that acceptable to the UK government? It looks like a fairly tough negotiating stance.
It's not "one of the leakiest governments of recent times". TM doesn't favour feeding the MSM beast with continuous titbits of propaganda. So the MSM makes up the news from speculation, gossip and shoddy reporting as in the case of the Deloitte memo.
So when the many journalists of the "MSM beast" claim a Minister told them "X", in each case it was entirely their own fabrication?
As I said yesterday, Brexit is starting to have an Iraq-aftermath feel about it: the bullish rhetoric continues undimmed, but it seems to be less and less linked to reality. Leave need to hope that the analogy doesn't become fully realized: i.e. absolutely no one thinks Brexit was well conceived/implemented whatsoever, apart from a handful of Christopher Hitchens type diehards.
We may be headed towards the inevitable public enquiry into how the Cameron government served up a false binary choice with no preparation for this result.
@JGForsyth: May's refusal to answer a question about Farage and a peerage bound to stoke speculation that he will be given one
Though I think it highly unwise, I can now see the Farage ennoblement happening. The Tory headless-chicken brigade are utterly spooked by Farage and his alchemy. They'll see it as a way of both containing him and extracting some of his stardust for themselves. Some will even be keen to get a bit of the Trump action, and will see Nige as the perfect guru and mentor for such a purpose.
FPT: Mr. 43, a senior judge shouldn't be flying a kite to meddle in politics.
Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence she'll be neutral when it comes to judging the case.
Have you even read the speech she gave in which these remarks were made? Its fairly clear that she was laying out both sides arguments but not coming to any conclusion on them.
Introducing to the debate the argument that a 'minimal' Act would be inadequate to trigger A50 is, however, accepting that that position is at least arguable, which suggests to me a willingness to consider two immense innovations. Firstly, that the Supreme Court can in effect strike down legislation by declaring it 'inadequate' (a possibility made all the more real by her assertion that the Supreme Court was now the 'guardian of the constitution'), and secondly - and consequently - placing some pieces of legislation at a higher status than others, when traditionally all primary legislation was of equal legal standing.
Quite. I'm for want of a better word a remainer, but this is nonsense on stilts.
As I said yesterday, Brexit is starting to have an Iraq-aftermath feel about it: the bullish rhetoric continues undimmed, but it seems to be less and less linked to reality. Leave need to hope that the analogy doesn't become fully realized: i.e. absolutely no one thinks Brexit was well conceived/implemented whatsoever, apart from a handful of Christopher Hitchens type diehards.
We may be headed towards the inevitable public enquiry into how the Cameron government served up a false binary choice with no preparation for this result.
Who did 'sex up' the £350m claim anyway?
Mostly Remainers are jumping at shadows.
Someone post the Brexit bus or Boris+Poster (£350million/week)
May trying out a new meme regarding providing a running commentary for brexit- "best way to get the worst outcome" Could work, but her delivery is off...
I suspect her problem is that a lot of people believe she doesn't have a plan.
She runs one of the leakiest governments of recent times,so we actually know a fair amount of what's going on. There are a lot of agendas. There is what I would describe as a wishlist, rather a plan. That's going to fall apart at the first contact with the enemy. What there isn't much of is anything that could accurately be described as strategy. Michel Barnier from the EU side does have a strategy: start with the exit terms; park any final agreements and haggle over the interim arrangement. Is that acceptable to the UK government? It looks like a fairly tough negotiating stance.
It's not "one of the leakiest governments of recent times". TM doesn't favour feeding the MSM beast with continuous titbits of propaganda. So the MSM makes up the news from speculation, gossip and shoddy reporting as in the case of the Deloitte memo.
Hmmm - the three Brexiteers brief the Torygraph; the Treasury briefs the Times. May slaps them all down!
"You don't feel that the terms we should seek for Brexit are a matter for legitimate public debate for MPs, just none of their business? "
No, sod 'em. They only want to grandstand anyway. What constructive suggestion will they have? They'll ask for the moon on a stick and still whinge whatever the outcome. Don't humour them by letting them jump up and down yelling. "Please, miss, we're really important."
There's something fascinating about having a POTUS who uses his own twitter in such a personal and unrestricted way. We may actually get to know what the White House is really thinking far more so than any other president. He may give us interesting tidbits from intl summits etc. I figured he would stop tweeting after he won (following Cameron's twitter maxim), but he seems to be back in control of his account again.
@JGForsyth: May's refusal to answer a question about Farage and a peerage bound to stoke speculation that he will be given one
Though I think it highly unwise, I can now see the Farage ennoblement happening. The Tory headless-chicken brigade are utterly spooked by Farage and his alchemy. They'll see it as a way of both containing him and extracting some of his stardust for themselves. Some will even be keen to get a bit of the Trump action, and will see Nige as the perfect guru and mentor for such a purpose.
Farage should undoubtedly have a peerage if he's willing to leave the European parliament. UKIP is woefully underrepresented in the Lords and party leaders are routinely offered a place in the upper house on retirement from front-line politics.
"You don't feel that the terms we should seek for Brexit are a matter for legitimate public debate for MPs, just none of their business? "
No, sod 'em. They only want to grandstand anyway. What constructive suggestion will they have? They'll ask for the moon on a stick and still whinge whatever the outcome. Don't humour them by letting them jump up and down yelling. "Please, miss, we're really important."
That doesn't sound much like: 'Take back control - Parliament is sovereign.'
May trying out a new meme regarding providing a running commentary for brexit- "best way to get the worst outcome" Could work, but her delivery is off...
I suspect her problem is that a lot of people believe she doesn't have a plan.
She runs one of the leakiest governments of recent times,so we actually know a fair amount of what's going on. There are a lot of agendas. There is what I would describe as a wishlist, rather a plan. That's going to fall apart at the first contact with the enemy. What there isn't much of is anything that could accurately be described as strategy. Michel Barnier from the EU side does have a strategy: start with the exit terms; park any final agreements and haggle over the interim arrangement. Is that acceptable to the UK government? It looks like a fairly tough negotiating stance.
It's not "one of the leakiest governments of recent times". TM doesn't favour feeding the MSM beast with continuous titbits of propaganda. So the MSM makes up the news from speculation, gossip and shoddy reporting as in the case of the Deloitte memo.
Hmmm - the three Brexiteers brief the Torygraph; the Treasury briefs the Times. May slaps them all down!
@JGForsyth: May's refusal to answer a question about Farage and a peerage bound to stoke speculation that he will be given one
Though I think it highly unwise, I can now see the Farage ennoblement happening. The Tory headless-chicken brigade are utterly spooked by Farage and his alchemy. They'll see it as a way of both containing him and extracting some of his stardust for themselves. Some will even be keen to get a bit of the Trump action, and will see Nige as the perfect guru and mentor for such a purpose.
Farage in parliament? How will that help anyone except the HIGNFY team?
The Mori figures still represent a swing to the Conservatives from both Lab and LDs, from 2015, in mid-term and with what might charitably be described as policy formation still in progress.
Lots of straws being clutched there . Look at the data tables . Conservatives lose 16 2015 Conservative voters to Lib Dems and gain 1 2015 Lib Dem voter back Conservatives lose 8 2015 Conservative voters to Labour and gain 8 2015 Labour voters back Labour lose 12 2015 Labour voters to Lib Dems and gain 5 2015 Lib Dem voters back 102 Lib Dem voters in sample reduced to 89 after weighting 53 UKIP voters in sample increased to 73 after weighting Conservative and Labour voters numbers almost unchanged by weighting .
Are you saying that the reason the LibDems success in elections hasn't been reflected in the polls is that the pollsters put in bigger weighting 'adjustments' than they used to?
FWIW, Ipsos' Con/Lab figures continue to go up and down like a rollercoaster, and its Ukip figure is still well adrift of all the other pollsters.
Look at the overall trend of all the national VI polls and things have been pretty close to static since Theresa May became PM in mid-July. There's still no clearly observable trend upwards or downwards for any of the main parties. The consistent Tory leads - for a Government in mid-term which is also dealing with huge challenges - are still remarkable.
I was watching a clip of the Donald on CBS recently. With his speaking style, I wonder how long it will be before he inadvertently reveals something highly classified.
Which is possible, but how on earth could you tell he wasn't just making stuff up ?
Not being privvy to classified info, I wouldn't have Scooby. He made a comment at his meeting with Obama at the WH last week about 'high flying assets' which intrigued me.
The Mori figures still represent a swing to the Conservatives from both Lab and LDs, from 2015, in mid-term and with what might charitably be described as policy formation still in progress.
Lots of straws being clutched there . Look at the data tables . Conservatives lose 16 2015 Conservative voters to Lib Dems and gain 1 2015 Lib Dem voter back Conservatives lose 8 2015 Conservative voters to Labour and gain 8 2015 Labour voters back Labour lose 12 2015 Labour voters to Lib Dems and gain 5 2015 Lib Dem voters back 102 Lib Dem voters in sample reduced to 89 after weighting 53 UKIP voters in sample increased to 73 after weighting Conservative and Labour voters numbers almost unchanged by weighting .
Are you saying that the reason the LibDems success in elections hasn't been reflected in the polls is that the pollsters put in bigger weighting 'adjustments' than they used to?
Local by-elections are different from Parliamentary elections. Pollsters very rarely poll the former, but do poll the latter.
I was watching a clip of the Donald on CBS recently. With his speaking style, I wonder how long it will be before he inadvertently reveals something highly classified.
Which is possible, but how on earth could you tell he wasn't just making stuff up ?
Not being privvy to classified info, I wouldn't have Scooby. He made a comment at his meeting with Obama at the WH last week about 'high flying assets' which intrigued me.
I think that was just his real estate brain translation of 'successful initiatives'.
Why doesn't Mrs May just them politely to mind their own business about the negotiations with the EU. The Government negotiate all the time with various people. It's called governing.
Side-line the whingers. When the deal is announced, humour them by letting them whinge in Parliamentary debate. Job done.
You don't feel that the terms we should seek for Brexit are a matter for legitimate public debate for MPs, just none of their business? Especially as the Government appears not yet to have any real idea what it thinks.
Well, quite.
May should lead a parliamentary debate on the broad principles that the government will go into the negotiations with, and seek the Commons' backing on them. That would strengthen her hand in both Westminster and Brussels without revealing red lines or concessionable items.
There is of course the risk that the result of the negotiations might fail to fit those principles but then the embarrassment for the government would scarcely be different from were what would the problem there would be much more the result than the juxtaposition against the earlier stance; journalists, MPs and public can recognise a bad result in isolation, without the need for a checklist.
May trying out a new meme regarding providing a running commentary for brexit- "best way to get the worst outcome" Could work, but her delivery is off...
I suspect her problem is that a lot of people believe she doesn't have a plan.
She runs one of the leakiest governments of recent times,so we actually know a fair amount of what's going on. There are a lot of agendas. There is what I would describe as a wishlist, rather a plan. That's going to fall apart at the first contact with the enemy. What there isn't much of is anything that could accurately be described as strategy. Michel Barnier from the EU side does have a strategy: start with the exit terms; park any final agreements and haggle over the interim arrangement. Is that acceptable to the UK government? It looks like a fairly tough negotiating stance.
It's not "one of the leakiest governments of recent times". TM doesn't favour feeding the MSM beast with continuous titbits of propaganda. So the MSM makes up the news from speculation, gossip and shoddy reporting as in the case of the Deloitte memo.
Hmmm - the three Brexiteers brief the Torygraph; the Treasury briefs the Times. May slaps them all down!
May just isn't interested in that sort of nonsense game playing, unlike the three musketeers and the continuity Osborne faction.
FWIW, Ipsos' Con/Lab figures continue to go up and down like a rollercoaster, and its Ukip figure is still well adrift of all the other pollsters.
Look at the overall trend of all the national VI polls and things have been pretty close to static since Theresa May became PM in mid-July. There's still no clearly observable trend upwards or downwards for any of the main parties. The consistent Tory leads - for a Government in mid-term which is also dealing with huge challenges - are still remarkable.
I think the issue is whether the Conservatives can hold on to their 40%+ share and Labour can move from their 30% share toward 35%.
Governments often lead between elections - I don't think we can say the May Government is in its midterm just yet, that will take another 12-18 months. What we can probably say is the honeymoon period is coming to an end.
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But what did she expect when she appointed the disgraced Liam Fox and the the narcissist David Davis to lead the Brexit departments.
Mrs May should be more concerned that Brexit is perceived to be being handled badly. Nothing in the news in the last couple of days is going to have altered that impression either. Time to get a grip.
Doesn't exactly fill me with confidence she'll be neutral when it comes to judging the case.
I compared it to selling and buying a house. If you don't time it right, you face the possibility of nowhere to live for days/weeks/months.
Unpicking the laws that are part of our membership of the EC/EU ain't easy.
It is usually with revolutions that you see the last 40 odd years worth of laws being repealed.
Even a terrible performer like JC can get wins with this.
May isn't handling this well at all.
Grieve's wetter than a lettuce on the Titanic.
Anyway, I have to be off to walk the hound.
Keep Jezza locked away in Mrs Rochester's attic.
What was he thinking?
https://www.supremecourt.uk/docs/speech-161109.pdf
Could work, but her delivery is off...
Who did 'sex up' the £350m claim anyway?
@JGForsyth: May's approach to customs union informed by her JHA opt outs policy as Home Secretary: leave it and then opt back into bits you like 1/2
@JGForsyth: 2/2 But question is whether the EU 27 will be interested in such an approach, they do have a surplus on cars, and whether WTO will accept it
Look at the data tables .
Conservatives lose 16 2015 Conservative voters to Lib Dems and gain 1 2015 Lib Dem voter back
Conservatives lose 8 2015 Conservative voters to Labour and gain 8 2015 Labour voters back
Labour lose 12 2015 Labour voters to Lib Dems and gain 5 2015 Lib Dem voters back
102 Lib Dem voters in sample reduced to 89 after weighting
53 UKIP voters in sample increased to 73 after weighting
Conservative and Labour voters numbers almost unchanged by weighting .
She is 373 votes behind 1% of all votes, probably will bust 1%.
I suspect May really means worst outcome for herself rather than the country.
She runs one of the leakiest governments of recent times,so we actually know a fair amount of what's going on. There are a lot of agendas. There is what I would describe as a wishlist, rather a plan. That's going to fall apart at the first contact with the enemy. What there isn't much of is anything that could accurately be described as strategy. Michel Barnier from the EU side does have a strategy: start with the exit terms; park any final agreements and haggle over the interim arrangement. Is that acceptable to the UK government? It looks like a fairly tough negotiating stance.
The gov is being asked for a hard plan for Brexit, not some sort of open committee discussing the options.
The US election was a huge news event even here in the U.K., and it isn't possible that part of the swing back to the centre-left is some sort of counter-reaction. If true, that helps the LibDems in Richmond since I know this is one of the secondary arguments they have been trying to deploy. Make a stand for liberalism while you still have the chance.
Side-line the whingers. When the deal is announced, humour them by letting them whinge in Parliamentary debate. Job done.
…… it’s too soon to say
…… that the government has been competent or otherwise about Brexit.
I agree. She was crap at PMQs from the beginning and hasn't improved. Jezza has marginally improved but he's still crap too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8htuXIav1E
Zhou Enlai was notoriously cautious - like Theresa May, funnily enough - which is why he was the only Chinese leader to survive every purge. Even Mao was demoted at one point.
http://news.sky.com/story/post-truth-named-oxford-dictionaries-word-of-the-year-10659284
(OK it's two words hyphenated)
What kind of stance would you advise?
Nabavi advised the bet and I'm on for a hundred quid.
Still good value if its around that price.
"You don't feel that the terms we should seek for Brexit are a matter for legitimate public debate for MPs, just none of their business? "
No, sod 'em. They only want to grandstand anyway. What constructive suggestion will they have? They'll ask for the moon on a stick and still whinge whatever the outcome. Don't humour them by letting them jump up and down yelling. "Please, miss, we're really important."
'Take back control - Parliament is sovereign.'
Was the field work done after the Trump win?
https://twitter.com/adamserwer/status/798864752546025472
FWIW, Ipsos' Con/Lab figures continue to go up and down like a rollercoaster, and its Ukip figure is still well adrift of all the other pollsters.
Look at the overall trend of all the national VI polls and things have been pretty close to static since Theresa May became PM in mid-July. There's still no clearly observable trend upwards or downwards for any of the main parties. The consistent Tory leads - for a Government in mid-term which is also dealing with huge challenges - are still remarkable.
May should lead a parliamentary debate on the broad principles that the government will go into the negotiations with, and seek the Commons' backing on them. That would strengthen her hand in both Westminster and Brussels without revealing red lines or concessionable items.
There is of course the risk that the result of the negotiations might fail to fit those principles but then the embarrassment for the government would scarcely be different from were what would the problem there would be much more the result than the juxtaposition against the earlier stance; journalists, MPs and public can recognise a bad result in isolation, without the need for a checklist.
It would however be bad news for UKIP, and good news for the Lib Dems.
https://twitter.com/AhirShah/status/798861099156336641
Governments often lead between elections - I don't think we can say the May Government is in its midterm just yet, that will take another 12-18 months. What we can probably say is the honeymoon period is coming to an end.