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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Political Polls ‏@Politics_Polls 49m49 minutes ago

    #Michigan:
    Clinton 46% (+5)
    Trump 41%

    @GravisMarketing/@BreitbartNews 11/1-4
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024

    Next Tweet
    Political Polls
    @Politics_Polls

    #Virginia:
    Clinton 47% (+5)
    Trump 42%
    Johnson 4%
    Stein 1%
    New Mexico:
    Clinton 45% (+8)
    Trump 37%
    Johnson 11%
    Stein 3%

    @GravisMarketing
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    MikeLMikeL Posts: 7,318
    Apologies for wrong link earlier.

    Correct link with numerous state polls just out from:

    - Gravis
    - YouGov
    - Ipsos

    http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/updates/#now
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2016
    If the first exit poll we get tomorrow is Indiana:

    In 2012 the exit poll in Indiana was GOP 54.5%, Dem 44.0%.
    The actual result was GOP 54.1%, Dem 43.9%, so the exit poll was almost spot on.
    The GOP margin of victory was 10.5%.
    RCP's polling average has the GOP ahead by 10.7%.
    538's forecast has the GOP ahead by 11.5%.
    So if those sites are correct there should be a very small swing to the GOP in the state.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,299
    edited November 2016
    Onywies, the Really Dependable ‘Psychic’ Scottish Goat has spoken, so that's that.

    http://tinyurl.com/h8f62bw
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    Onywies, the Really Dependable ‘Psychic’ Scottish Goat has spoken, so that's that.

    http://tinyurl.com/h8f62bw

    octopus or nothing for me, I'm afraid
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    Onywies, the Really Dependable ‘Psychic’ Scottish Goat has spoken, so that's that.

    http://tinyurl.com/h8f62bw

    octopus or nothing for me, I'm afraid
    You're kidding..
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,149

    Onywies, the Really Dependable ‘Psychic’ Scottish Goat has spoken, so that's that.

    http://tinyurl.com/h8f62bw

    octopus or nothing for me, I'm afraid
    Can I tempt you with an ursine prediction?

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/photos/humpback-whales-at-the-uramba-bahia-malaga-natural-park-slideshow/polar-bear-felix-holds-portrait-u-presidential-nominee-photo-125109293.html
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    Y0kel said:

    nielh said:




    Over the past week I've come round to the view that we have to see Brexit through, and stopping it is not an option. I think that, if we fudge it through and stay in the EU ie associate membership, EFTA, out of the EU in name only etc, the forces that led to the Brexit vote will not be satisfied and we will end up with some kind of massive populist revolt. There is no evidence that peoples minds are changing, not even now the Scottish and Irish position is becoming clearer.

    Its better to accept the decision and face the consequences. I think it will be painful, far more than £4300 per week painful, but if we are a democracy, we have to face the truth, because there is no 'going back' option. We can't turn the clock back six months, six years or a decade. We can't go back.

    The people - the idiots - voted to trigger article 50 on June 24th. They have to live with the consequences of their decision. It was inconceivably stupid of Cameron to allow us to get in to this position, but he ultimately put his own political career ahead of the stability of the UK as an entity. He has to live with his decision, as we all do.


    For what it's worth, there was one recent poll (from BMG, I think) showing a 52-48 majority against Brexit, weighted according to how people voted so not obviously another sampling error. It wasn't that Leavers had switched to Remain but some Leavers had switched to Unsure.

    Only one poll and a small movement at that, but obviously worth keeping an eye on developments.
    Having a problem with a democratic vote still?
    Where would you draw the line? What if shortly before the allotted day for invoking Article 50 polls are showing that 70% would like to remain in the EU? After all, many voted Leave because they thought Leaving would reduce immigration and now it emerges that "Really Existing Plans for Brexit" may involve encouraging lots of immigration from India.
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    "Videodrome" on the Horror Channel right now.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    edited November 2016
    Trafalgar Group Florida

    Trump 50 Clinton 46 Johnson 2 Stein 1
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Trafalgar_FL_November_2016.pdf
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    Donald Trump: "This is your last chance to make all the dreams you've ever had come true."
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    edited November 2016
    HYUFD said:

    Trafalgar Group Florida

    Trump 50 Clinton 46 Johnson 46 Stein 2
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Trafalgar_FL_November_2016.pdf

    a bullshit pollster


    Marcus Hawkins Verified account
    @HawkinsUSA

    Does anyone think Trump is winning 26% of blacks, 41% of Hispanics, and 48% of Asians in Florida? If so, Trafalgar polls are for you
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Josh Jordan ‏@NumbersMuncher 20m20 minutes ago

    Gallup: On the day before the election, Obama job approval jumps to 56-41... up sharply in the past 3 days.
    0 replies . 49 retweets 61 likes
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,149
    nunu said:

    Josh Jordan ‏@NumbersMuncher 20m20 minutes ago

    Gallup: On the day before the election, Obama job approval jumps to 56-41... up sharply in the past 3 days.
    0 replies . 49 retweets 61 likes

    Good economic news can make people feel more comfortable taking a leap into the unknown...
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,175
    edited November 2016
    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trafalgar Group Florida

    Trump 50 Clinton 46 Johnson 46 Stein 2
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Trafalgar_FL_November_2016.pdf

    a bullshit pollster


    Marcus Hawkins Verified account
    @HawkinsUSA

    Does anyone think Trump is winning 26% of blacks, 41% of Hispanics, and 48% of Asians in Florida? If so, Trafalgar polls are for you
    We will see tomorrow night but it seems tight in the big swing states with almost all the pollsters tonight. Turnout is key. Goodnight
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,027

    "Videodrome" on the Horror Channel right now.

    ...followed by "Masque of the Red Death" at 2:35. Woo...
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    edited November 2016
    Not sure why an exit poll was conducted in 2012 in Mississippi but not in Georgia, in Vermont but not in Kentucky...
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    viewcodeviewcode Posts: 19,027
    nunu said:

    Marcus Hawkins Verified account ‏@HawkinsUSA

    Does anyone think Trump is winning 26% of blacks, 41% of Hispanics, and 48% of Asians in Florida? If so, Trafalgar polls are for you

    It's not that implausible. The Hispanics in Florida are anglophone Cuban-Americans and are more pro-Trump than the hispanophone Mexican-Americans in Nevada.

    Apparently. I live in England. All I really know is that Horatio lives in Miami and Grissom lives in Las Vegas. Other than that, my knowledge extends as far as "um"

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    Onywies, the Really Dependable ‘Psychic’ Scottish Goat has spoken, so that's that.

    http://tinyurl.com/h8f62bw

    octopus or nothing for me, I'm afraid
    Can I tempt you with an ursine prediction?

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/photos/humpback-whales-at-the-uramba-bahia-malaga-natural-park-slideshow/polar-bear-felix-holds-portrait-u-presidential-nominee-photo-125109293.html
    rigged.
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    AndyJS said:

    Donald Trump: "This is your last chance to make all the dreams you've ever had come true."

    and then he grabs you by the...
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    Onywies, the Really Dependable ‘Psychic’ Scottish Goat has spoken, so that's that.

    http://tinyurl.com/h8f62bw

    octopus or nothing for me, I'm afraid
    Can I tempt you with an ursine prediction?

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/photos/humpback-whales-at-the-uramba-bahia-malaga-natural-park-slideshow/polar-bear-felix-holds-portrait-u-presidential-nominee-photo-125109293.html
    rigged.
    although I think there should be an animal poll aggregator a la 538, with associated demographic modelling. just to be sure
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    dugarbandierdugarbandier Posts: 2,596
    edited November 2016

    Onywies, the Really Dependable ‘Psychic’ Scottish Goat has spoken, so that's that.

    http://tinyurl.com/h8f62bw

    octopus or nothing for me, I'm afraid
    Can I tempt you with an ursine prediction?

    https://ca.finance.yahoo.com/photos/humpback-whales-at-the-uramba-bahia-malaga-natural-park-slideshow/polar-bear-felix-holds-portrait-u-presidential-nominee-photo-125109293.html
    rigged.
    although I think there should be an animal poll aggregator a la 538, with associated demographic modelling. just to be sure
    I suspect that Polar bear is WWC and demand the views of a hispanic octopus with appropriate weighting
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    PongPong Posts: 4,693
    edited November 2016
    viewcode said:

    nunu said:

    Marcus Hawkins Verified account ‏@HawkinsUSA

    Does anyone think Trump is winning 26% of blacks, 41% of Hispanics, and 48% of Asians in Florida? If so, Trafalgar polls are for you

    It's not that implausible. The Hispanics in Florida are anglophone Cuban-Americans and are more pro-Trump than the hispanophone Mexican-Americans in Nevada.

    Apparently. I live in England. All I really know is that Horatio lives in Miami and Grissom lives in Las Vegas. Other than that, my knowledge extends as far as "um"

    Yeah, but you know what you don't know.

    Which makes you smarter than most.

    The mexican-hispanics-are-heavily-breaking-for-clinton but non-mexican-hispanics-aren't logic is the difference between trump @ evens (or 6/5) and him being at 2/1 in FL.
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    DromedaryDromedary Posts: 1,194
    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trafalgar Group Florida

    Trump 50 Clinton 46 Johnson 46 Stein 2
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Trafalgar_FL_November_2016.pdf

    a bullshit pollster


    Marcus Hawkins Verified account
    @HawkinsUSA

    Does anyone think Trump is winning 26% of blacks, 41% of Hispanics, and 48% of Asians in Florida? If so, Trafalgar polls are for you
    The Hispanic figure could be fairly accurate. Many Hispanics in Florida are Cuban or Puerto Rican. The wall isn't an issue there.
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    nunununu Posts: 6,024
    Dromedary said:

    nunu said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trafalgar Group Florida

    Trump 50 Clinton 46 Johnson 46 Stein 2
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/2016/Trafalgar_FL_November_2016.pdf

    a bullshit pollster


    Marcus Hawkins Verified account
    @HawkinsUSA

    Does anyone think Trump is winning 26% of blacks, 41% of Hispanics, and 48% of Asians in Florida? If so, Trafalgar polls are for you
    The Hispanic figure could be fairly accurate. Many Hispanics in Florida are Cuban or Puerto Rican. The wall isn't an issue there.
    It will be more like 30% not 40%.
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    AndyJSAndyJS Posts: 29,395
    FiveThirtyEight is currently forecasting 21 states to swing to the Democrats, 29 to the GOP.

    Biggest forecast swings to Democrats: Utah, Idaho, Kansas, Tennessee, Oklahoma, Alaska, Texas, Arizona.

    Biggest forecast swings to GOP: Hawaii, Rhode Island, D.C., Vermont, New York, Iowa, Maine, Delaware, New Jersey, Connecticut, Michigan, Nevada.

    Very little swing forecast: California, Florida, West Virginia, Massachusetts, Maryland.
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    pong is alive...?

    :flash:
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,750
    619 said:

    Nigelb said:

    MattW said:

    FPT:

    @619

    >Platosaid said:

    Daily Caller
    EXCLUSIVE: Virginia Gov. Pardons 60,000 Felons, Enough To Swing Election https://t.co/RzJ2g94a2T https://t.co/akLelsQkC9

    Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe has granted voting rights to as many as 60,000 convicted felons just in time for them to register to vote, nearly five times more than previously reported and enough to win the state for his long-time friend, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton.

    McAuliffe sought to allow all of Virginia’s estimated 200,000 felons to vote, but state courts said each individual felon’s circumstances must be weighed. To get around that, McAuliffe used a mechanical autopen to rapidly sign thousands of letters, as if he had personally reviewed them...

    Good on him. The permanent removal of the vote from people convicted of a crime yet served their sentence in many American states is a disgrace of international proportions.

    >MattW said
    It is a quite corrupt manoeuvre, however.

    >619 said
    why? giving more people a vote is always a good thing

    >Matt W

    Are you for real, 619?

    The principle of votes for ex-prisoners is a different question from a Governor attempting to manipulate an election in his favoured direction using the power of his elected position.

    McAuliffe has been Governor of Virginia for nearly 3 years.

    The courts required individual cases to be reviewed. He organised a signing-machine, then he reportedly lied about how many he had done to the tune of reducing the number by 80% in his statements.

    If it was a big principle of giving votes to former felons he would have done it in 2014.

    He didn't.

    It is just another variety of attempted gerrymander.

    But that is the US Electoral System for you.

    If you cared to actually research the matter, you'd realise he's been trying to do it since he was elected. The timing is a result of court challenges, and responses to them.
    (As an aside, Virginia is only one of four states which bars felons for life from voting.)

    Also, on the other side of the coin, how many otherwise non-voters or Democrats for that matter might well be persuaded to vote for Trump on account of Governor McAuliffe's said actions?
    zero. Why shouldnt ex convicts be allowed to vote?
    No one was arguing that 619.

    And yes - I misunderstood the process. Sorry.
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    Just a thought.

    Long voting queues would IMHO deter the less enthusiastic voter from voting. Remember the lol walking on crutches to vote in June?
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    weejonnieweejonnie Posts: 3,820
    RobD said:

    I'm pretty sure HRC is going to limp over the line, and that will be much the lesser of two evils. Then I remember 'Kryptonite' McTernan is on board.

    https://twitter.com/johnmcternan/status/795761633037582337

    OMG, the White House is going to remember that Owen Jones called Clinton a disaster? Seriously?!
    Lefties are always vindictive. No emotional maturity due to being spoilt brats as they got older.
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    RecidivistRecidivist Posts: 4,679

    Terrible headlines for May in tonight's Evening Standard. Gist is that Brexit requires a trade deal with India; India won't do one without increased immigration; ergo Brexit necessitates an increase in immigration. From India. Leave need to play this very carefully with the WCC. This isn't what they voted for at all. There will be cries of 'betrayal'.

    I didn't see this particular one coming, but I did think all along that the smart racist would back EU membership. Migrants are a fact of life on an unequal planet and if the colour of people's skin bothers you you are better off getting them from eastern Europe than eastern Asia.
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    Huge swing to T R U M P in the first New Hampshire declarations !

    Millsfield reported Trump 16 and Hillary 4. Dixville reported Hillary 4 and Trump 2. Hart's reported Clinton 17 and Trump 14. So overall it's Trump 32 and Hillary 25.

    In 2012, these three little townships voted Obama 28/14, so T R U M P is doing really well with a huge swing to him so far !
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    Y0kel said:

    surbiton said:

    Y0kel said:

    Y0kel said:

    MikeK said:
    This guy is an idiot. They weren't searching through 600 000 emails, they were searching for new content and new accounts, i.e. non matches with what they already had.

    Trump can perhaps consider himself lucky that he has got away without the most lurid allegations getting airtime. I always said he was in way over his head with the Russians and he is, they have the kind of compromising information on his business and leisure activities to sink him.

    Western intelligence agencies are aware of it, but they don't hold it.

    Who holds what on Hillary Clinton though?
    Clinton's sins are largely out there regarding the foundation and the emails. The latter may not be over yet anyway, within the FBI there is fairly strong divisions because the practical call would be to indict. The woman had Gamma level material amongst the stash found. Thats serious messing up.

    Trump on the other hand, as I said, both business and leisure pursuits. The guys involvement in Russia goes back decades.
    Is Trump actually solvent ?
    Personally, he may well be covered. His business empire was pretty much on its knees at one point and there are still question marks over large segments of the Trump empire. Deutsche Bank at various stages extended him a lot of credit and his business empire is still massively in the hole but the curious thing was, DB's injections wouldn't have been enough if you are to believe some of the financial analysis.

    Where did the rest therefore come from?

    Bad Uncle Vlad one assumes? Personally I think shadowy Russian backing is one of the more appealing aspects of The Donald. I can find little about the prospect of an America with Russians pulling the strings any more frightening than America with Americans pulling the strings. Such a reverse takeover bid could actually make the world a good deal more stable.
    Of course you do. There's nothing in this world you don't think good uncle Putin can sort out.
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