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The woman who brought the Article 50 speaking outside the RCJ pic.twitter.com/Khpqh5w9jx
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about time
Half-time score:
Elites 1 - Democracy 0
REMAIN 48%
If triggering art 50 is thwarted or significant barriers put in place on the negotiating stance then I feel that democracy will have been defeated and that we are living in a tyranny
'It will lead to the politicans cutting the lawyers down to size'
Lawyers attempting to subvert democracy will ensure they are sorted once and for all.
1) It increases the probability of a general election in 2017
2) It makes it more likely Parliament will have to be told what was offered to Nissan to induce them to stay
3) We're likely to get a vote on staying in the customs unions and the single market.
Like leaving the EU = Hotel California...it appears Nige is the receptionist.
As there are more lawyers and people rather like the rats.
people arent going to put up with poshos protecting their pockets with legal shennanigans
JackWJackW Posts: 10,832
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Morning Consult study of the "Shy Trumper" :
https://morningconsult.com/2016/11/03/shy-trump-social-desirability-undercover-voter-study/
Chortle.
Yah!!
The PM and subsequent PMs are the losers in this as its circumscribing the Royal Prerogative.....not that that, in itself, is a bad thing......I've no doubt the Civil Service advice was to use the Royal Prerogative, who needs elected politicians messing things up when we can do that perfectly well by ourselves.....?
'3) We're likely to get a vote on staying in the customs unions and the single market.'
So staying in the EU through the back door, that will go down well.
https://twitter.com/PeatWorrier/status/794141376623636480
Don't laugh, but say Jeremy Corbyn became Prime Minister, you'd want to make sure the limits of the Royal Prerogative were delineated clearly lest he start doing things like pulling us out of NATO and inviting the Russians to station troops and weapons here.
What they do is vital.
A lawyer couldnt stop him doing that;
Checks and balances.
Yeah but you don;t have Project Fear any more. All your main arguments have been eviscerated, as this week's PMIs show graphically.
I said we're likely to get a vote on it, probably via an amendment to the bill.
Whether we stay in or out is dependent on point 1) after all there are informed commentators who say Mrs May told Nissan we're staying in the customs union.
'A majority of 1 is fine, the rest is ego'
Congrats to Mr Meeks on getting it right.
I'm amazed by how uncertain politics has become over the last few years. Surely things must settle down soon?
Or the Govt. loses the appeal. May puts Art 50 to the Commons.
Where Labour has to decide whether to support her - and if they do, look terminally weak, having (kinda) campaigned to Remain. Or campaign with the LibDems and the SNP to block Article 50 - and so the will of the people - and go into an election in early 2017 with Corbyn as leader?
some of voters are more equal than others.
Could add an interesting non Heathrow dynamic to the by election
And even it wan't necessary, it was still the right thing to do. Why? Because it would force MPs in Leave voting constituencies to back their constituents. Do you really believe the MPs for Sunderland or Stoke-on-Trent, with UKIP breathing down their necks, would vote against an enabling bill?
An Article 50 Enabling Bill would pass with a majority of more than 400. And if the Lords struck it down, would be grounds for 100 new Lords to be ennobled immediately.
It staggers me that so many intelligent people, who posted with such sense during the referendum campaign, have failed to see the political necessity of getting as many people on the Brexit bus as possible.
Don't appeal the decision. Pass the Bill.
I can see big UKIP gains.
http://press.labour.org.uk/post/152681431429/jeremy-corbyns-comment-on-the-high-court-ruling
If anyone cares.
Hasn't been much to laugh about for a while.
Quite
There was a piece I read from a Leaver (cannot find the link at the moment) which said we shouldn't leave now, we're at the wrong time of the economic cycle to do so, and should wait for a decade or so, once we've got the deficit down further, and sorted out our trade imbalances.
If she fails to do this and loses a commons vote, she will have to call a GE anyway to stop losing face and the premiership.
Any way you toss the dice - a new chance fore Boris to GRAB the helm.
That May wasted time arguing to the contrary shows how unfit she and Johnson are for their jobs. There was some kind of Maygasm. I'm not sure why. Maybe it was the pearls or something. But this is what a rubbish PM looks like. She doesn't come pretty-shoe high to any of her four immediate predecessors. There wasn't even good reason to allow her a honeymoon period. She was crap from the word go. Get her out fast.
'Slow John, that's not what I said.'
Try reading your own comments.
we have no industrial policy and havent had for decades
the City can never earn enough to pay for our addiction to imports
our economy is all askew
Good luck to any MPs that vote against.
Nah. The cat's out of the bag mate. Voters realise that they can get control of immigration without taking too much of an economic hit.
And they will have it, whatever remainers try to do.
Yeah, there's not much point appealing. They will lose again, most probably. Yet longer delays, due to the further involvement of m'learned friends – people who are not known for their urgency.
Given the vote, the former is obviously the one to go for - and I say that as a remain voter.
He shat the bed, and is going to have to lie in it.
Was I wrong to believe this?
It's comforting to know we have a legal system robust enough to stop the barbarians running amok
The state Labour and ukip are atm ...... it'll never get better for her to seek her own mandate.
'May needs to call a general election, this is getting ridiculous now.'
The sooner the better,also a good opportunity to clear out some MP's that no longer represent their constituents views.
I think you vastly, vastly underestimate the feelings out there. But we shall see.
Will a HoL vote against triggering Article 50 trigger the abolition of the HoL?
Another £20 for me.
So Cameron and the remainers lied through their teeth?
I see.
We've got precedents here, bits in law there.
I mean prior to the Fixed Term Parliament Act the convention on whether the Monarch would grant an early election was based on a letter to The Times under a pseudonym.