The over-riding attitude amongst nearly all was - must speak English, must integrate, must be independent, should be skilled. And that was the view of white and brown respondents.
Indeed, plus the critical requirement of being able to throw people out that are not citizens and refuse to play by the rules. We have to put up with our own malcontents, there is no reason we should feel obliged to put up with anyone elses.
Here's Brain of Britain Dr Liam Fox not giving away the government's negotiating position: twitter.com/politicoeurope/status/791307253613793280
The article make no mention of any negotiating point, inly that he seeks a quick deal?
How is we want a quick deal not a negotiating position?
In fact, it doesn't even say that, it just says:
"He said an agreement struck within two years only required the support of a qualified majority of EU leaders and it was in everyone’s interests to ensure that happened."
Mr. Taxman, come along, that's a silly target you're trying to set, and you presumably know it.
Good evening, Miss Cyclefree.
Why is it a silly target? Goldsmith has set himself up for this and limping home by say 1000 votes is going to make him look stupid. So if he gets a majority of less than 23,000 - assuming he wins will show what a stupid exercise he has embarked upon. I also think we have kept hearing about how voters in seats who voted for Brexit are not well represented by Labour MP's. Well here in Richmond Park we have the opposite problem. I hope all remainer's vote Lib Dem in this by- election which will be a real punch on the nose to the silver spoon brigade.
There is also the strong possibility (despite TMay's opposition) that some "migrants" will be reclassified e.g. agricultural workers, perhaps students.
And rightly so. A seasonal sugar beet picker who goes home to Bulgaria in October should not be in the stats.
Your beet picker is already not in the stats. The definition of a 'migrant' used by the UK (and by most other countries) is someone who intends to stay more than one year.
On the other hand, I wonder if we might see a sharp rise from the EU in particular, as those thinking of coming to Britain see that the drawbridge is about to be raised, and they make the leap.
I'd expect a drop in non-EU European migration (i.e. Russian/Ukrainian/Belorussian). Anecdotally I know several people who've acquired UK passports and now feel cheated because their promised lifetime access to live anywhere in Europe is now at risk.
There are also more than a few people who've always had UK passports who feel cheated because their right since birth to live anywhere in Europe is now at risk!
How often does one need to say this? Their right to live anywhere in Europe on benefits is going to go, nothing else. If they have a job offer, a university place, or money for retirement, or they simply want to travel, they will, almost certainly, still be able to live anywhere in Europe.
It may be sentimental nonsense, but having 'European Union' on your passport actually means something to some people.
Mr. Taxman, come along, that's a silly target you're trying to set, and you presumably know it.
Good evening, Miss Cyclefree.
Why is it a silly target? Goldsmith has set himself up for this and limping home by say 1000 votes is going to make him look stupid. So if he gets a majority of less than 23,000 - assuming he wins will show what a stupid exercise he has embarked upon. I also think we have kept hearing about how voters in seats who voted for Brexit are not well represented by Labour MP's. Well here in Richmond Park we have the opposite problem. I hope all remainer's vote Lib Dem in this by- election which will be a real punch on the nose to the silver spoon brigade.
Again, no mention of turnout. He could win the election by taking 80% of the vote, but still his majority could decrease.
Mr. Taxman, because a candidate wins or loses. It's binary, there aren't scales of victory. You don't get more votes in the Commons if you have a five figure majority. You're setting a nigh on unachievable target just so that if Goldsmith wins by miles you can still claim it's a moral a defeat. It wouldn't be.
Here's Brain of Britain Dr Liam Fox not giving away the government's negotiating position: twitter.com/politicoeurope/status/791307253613793280
The article make no mention of any negotiating point, inly that he seeks a quick deal?
How is we want a quick deal not a negotiating position?
In fact, it doesn't even say that, it just says:
"He said an agreement struck within two years only required the support of a qualified majority of EU leaders and it was in everyone’s interests to ensure that happened."
Which is the timeframe set out by Article 50.
Yes but he's revealing that it is in our interests not to let the negotiations overrun. A clear signpost that if the rest of the EU drags it out to the 11th hour then we are likely to fold on any unresolved issues.
There is also the strong possibility (despite TMay's opposition) that some "migrants" will be reclassified e.g. agricultural workers, perhaps students.
And rightly so. A seasonal sugar beet picker who goes home to Bulgaria in October should not be in the stats.
Are the migrant numbers from the EU more than a little suspect in anycase. For non-EU migrants we know by and large how many visas are issued, and how many people arrive and show their passports for visa free entry. For EU migrant numbers we have to put up with the rather less satisfactory International Passenger Survey, a voluntary survey of major ports and airports. If you were inclined towards taking the p*ss as an immigrant would you take that survey, or tell the truth if you did ? You might also prefer to enter through a minor port for less chance of being challenged.
Here's Brain of Britain Dr Liam Fox not giving away the government's negotiating position: twitter.com/politicoeurope/status/791307253613793280
The article make no mention of any negotiating point, inly that he seeks a quick deal?
How is we want a quick deal not a negotiating position?
In fact, it doesn't even say that, it just says:
"He said an agreement struck within two years only required the support of a qualified majority of EU leaders and it was in everyone’s interests to ensure that happened."
Which is the timeframe set out by Article 50.
Yes but he's revealing that it is in our interests not to let the negotiations overrun. A clear signpost that if the rest of the EU drags it out to the 11th hour then we are likely to fold on any unresolved issues.
Come on. It's obvious anyone in any form of negotiations wants to have a them resolved quickly and amicably. I don't think it would be a red line, and find it highly unlikely that we would simply give up at the eleventh hour and concede on any point.
The Tory decision to stand aside is bizarre and stupid. It gives free rein to other MPs to do just as Goldsmith has. Labour just wants to avoid another hugely embarrassing wipeout.
Which other MPs stood at the last two elections promising to force a by-election if a particular policy was implemented?
In her blog she's stated that she accepts the result. Nowhere is the stronger "people must 'accept'" mentioned.
This isn't selective quoting, it is misquoting.
I think you are trying to read her as narrowly as possible
Well, as a poor beaten-down, Remain ‘loser’, I want to put up a lonely hand and ask if I might be allowed to speak. Britain is leaving the EU – OK, I accept that. I don’t think we should re-run the referendum. I think we should stick to the course that has been decided.
Mr. Taxman, come along, that's a silly target you're trying to set, and you presumably know it.
Good evening, Miss Cyclefree.
Why is it a silly target? Goldsmith has set himself up for this and limping home by say 1000 votes is going to make him look stupid. So if he gets a majority of less than 23,000 - assuming he wins will show what a stupid exercise he has embarked upon. I also think we have kept hearing about how voters in seats who voted for Brexit are not well represented by Labour MP's. Well here in Richmond Park we have the opposite problem. I hope all remainer's vote Lib Dem in this by- election which will be a real punch on the nose to the silver spoon brigade.
Richmond is perhaps not the best constituency to run a campaign which focuses on bashing successful net contributors to the economy and opposes aspiration.
What's all this standing aside crap about? There's a by-election, every party should be fielding a candidate. Especially so, given that the resigning MP is standing as an independent having quit his party.
It would be like the Tories not contesting the Rochester & Strood by election when Mark Reckless defected.
Here's Brain of Britain Dr Liam Fox not giving away the government's negotiating position: twitter.com/politicoeurope/status/791307253613793280
The article make no mention of any negotiating point, inly that he seeks a quick deal?
How is we want a quick deal not a negotiating position?
In fact, it doesn't even say that, it just says:
"He said an agreement struck within two years only required the support of a qualified majority of EU leaders and it was in everyone’s interests to ensure that happened."
Which is the timeframe set out by Article 50.
Yes but he's revealing that it is in our interests not to let the negotiations overrun. A clear signpost that if the rest of the EU drags it out to the 11th hour then we are likely to fold on any unresolved issues.
What an odd thing to say. Negotiations can't overrun, after two years we are out, not withstanding a vote in favour of an extension by all 28 members. What you say might be the case irrespective of our desires, it was rather the point of Article 50, to make leave as bad a deal, and hence as unlikely as possible.
There is also the strong possibility (despite TMay's opposition) that some "migrants" will be reclassified e.g. agricultural workers, perhaps students.
And rightly so. A seasonal sugar beet picker who goes home to Bulgaria in October should not be in the stats.
Are the migrant numbers from the EU more than a little suspect in anycase. For non-EU migrants we know by and large how many visas are issued, and how many people arrive and show their passports for visa free entry. For EU migrant numbers we have to put up with the rather less satisfactory International Passenger Survey, a voluntary survey of major ports and airports. If you were inclined towards taking the p*ss as an immigrant would you take that survey, or tell the truth if you did ? You might also prefer to enter through a minor port for less chance of being challenged.
All migrant numbers are suspect. The Brazilians who worked at Byron claimed to be Italians, and used the simple expedience of not leaving at the end of their tourist visa, for example.
We also do a very poor job of tracking exactly how many Brits leave each year, as there is no requirement to tell the government if you head off to Australia, Switzerland or wherever.
So it'll be a referendum about Goldsmith? Oh dear!
Or a referendum on soft vs hard brexit?
A smart move would be for Goldsmith to say he backs a soft Brexit. Try to force the Lib Dem to flip flop on her previously declared position of respecting the result of the referendum.
I live in Richmond Park and I will vote Lib Dem in the by-election to defeat a silver spooned toff with scant regard for the cost to the taxpayer. It is all just a game to Goldsmith. What does he hope to achieve? Anything short than a bigger majority than in 2015 will be a repudiation. So Goldsmith has to get 23,000 plus to come out of this with his dignity in tact!
The over-riding attitude amongst nearly all was - must speak English, must integrate, must be independent, should be skilled. And that was the view of white and brown respondents.
Indeed, plus the critical requirement of being able to throw people out that are not citizens and refuse to play by the rules. We have to put up with our own malcontents, there is no reason we should feel obliged to put up with anyone elses.
Even if there were not the legal obstacles that sometimes prevent deportations of undesirables, the utter uselessness of our border force is a far greater problem.
There is currently a well known fraudster, released after having served his sentence, who has lost his appeal against deportation and who is highly visible and yet, despite all this, the square root of diddly squat is being done to put him on a plane and return him to his own country.
Why?
If we can't get this right what on earth is the point of promising the moon on a stick in respect of immigration (or anything else, come to that).
I would far rather an unprincipled pragmatist conduct the Brexit negotiations on our behalf, than a deeply principled naif.
May has spent her political career focusing on herself, as most politicians do. Having reached the top of the greasy poll, though, she now needs to focus on the country. It's understandable that she's currently dazzled in the headlights as she seeks to work out the seemingly unsolvable immigration/prosperity equation, but at some stage she does need to make call. Sustained uncertainty is not pragmatic, it is hugely damaging.
This demand is ridiculous. The British government cannot give away its negotiation strategy six months before the negotiations even begin. Quit your bitchin'
It's funny.
Those who demanded Cameron disclose what he would demand from the EU, now say Mrs May should not show her hand.
And vice versa.
*ahem* I was fine with non disclosure on both occasion.
The business of government is like gralloching: messy and unpleasant but important - and something is rather that the hired help does for me
That is not far off the 3.9% Romney lost by and still almost a fortnight to go
There seems to be a mismatch between the national and state polls. Looking at the latter you wouldn't estimate that the national gap was only 4.4%.
In the last two days we have had at least one poll showing Trump ahead in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Nevada and North Carolina so am not so sure about that
What it must mean is that Trump's numbers aren't too bad in the most populous states like New York, California, Illinois. Obviously he won't get anywhere near winning any of those states but the Republican vote that does exist there must be holding up relatively well. Otherwise he'd be a lot more than 4% behind nationally.
No they don't, the idea Hillary is polling better than Obama with African Americans is absurd. Trump is certainly polling better with African American men than Romney or McCain
A few polls from way back in July in that last link, from August in the first and second, ie close to the Democratoc Convention, we are now in late October and several recent polls have had Trump over 10% with African Americans
Which prominent Remainer politician do you think said this in the last few weeks.
"Unhelpful belligerency" in Brussels about the Brexit vote and "obduracy" on the subject of FOM "could bring the EU down".
Also if the EU Commission did not re-examine itself "the sick man of Europe would end up being Europe itself".
Particular criticism was directed at Mr Juncker for lacking "the capacity" to understand the effects of his words on British public opinion.
Interestingly, one of the reasons this politician says Britain never became attached to the European ideal is because "the legal system and constitutional culture is so different" and went on to attack the "huge transfers of power to the centre without popular consent".
Yes, I did say this was a prominent Remainer politician.
Sorry to miss the NHS thread in the previous article. Everything Alistair says is true and it's no good the usual suspects on here saying all that the NHS needs is a dose of private sector efficiency. It perhaps needs more efficiency - but the private sector only adds inefficiencies - but it certainly needs more money.
My Trust's drugs bill has risen from £3.5m per year 20 years ago to £39m last year. That's a compound annual increase of 13% and it's only going to get worse with increasingly personalised and biological treatments.
We also do a very poor job of tracking exactly how many Brits leave each year, as there is no requirement to tell the government if you head off to Australia, Switzerland or wherever.
You are actually required to inform HRMC if you are going abroad permanently, or for more than one tax year, and to complete a P85.
The over-riding attitude amongst nearly all was - must speak English, must integrate, must be independent, should be skilled. And that was the view of white and brown respondents.
Indeed, plus the critical requirement of being able to throw people out that are not citizens and refuse to play by the rules. We have to put up with our own malcontents, there is no reason we should feel obliged to put up with anyone elses.
Even if there were not the legal obstacles that sometimes prevent deportations of undesirables, the utter uselessness of our border force is a far greater problem.
There is currently a well known fraudster, released after having served his sentence, who has lost his appeal against deportation and who is highly visible and yet, despite all this, the square root of diddly squat is being done to put him on a plane and return him to his own country.
Why?
If we can't get this right what on earth is the point of promising the moon on a stick in respect of immigration (or anything else, come to that).
Not to mention that somewhere less than 10% of unlawful asylum seekers that fail their final appeal are ever removed from country.
Mr. Taxman, come along, that's a silly target you're trying to set, and you presumably know it.
Good evening, Miss Cyclefree.
Why is it a silly target? Goldsmith has set himself up for this and limping home by say 1000 votes is going to make him look stupid. So if he gets a majority of less than 23,000 - assuming he wins will show what a stupid exercise he has embarked upon. I also think we have kept hearing about how voters in seats who voted for Brexit are not well represented by Labour MP's. Well here in Richmond Park we have the opposite problem. I hope all remainer's vote Lib Dem in this by- election which will be a real punch on the nose to the silver spoon brigade.
There is also the strong possibility (despite TMay's opposition) that some "migrants" will be reclassified e.g. agricultural workers, perhaps students.
And rightly so. A seasonal sugar beet picker who goes home to Bulgaria in October should not be in the stats.
Are the migrant numbers from the EU more than a little suspect in anycase. For non-EU migrants we know by and large how many visas are issued, and how many people arrive and show their passports for visa free entry. For EU migrant numbers we have to put up with the rather less satisfactory International Passenger Survey, a voluntary survey of major ports and airports. If you were inclined towards taking the p*ss as an immigrant would you take that survey, or tell the truth if you did ? You might also prefer to enter through a minor port for less chance of being challenged.
All migrant numbers are suspect. The Brazilians who worked at Byron claimed to be Italians, and used the simple expedience of not leaving at the end of their tourist visa, for example. We also do a very poor job of tracking exactly how many Brits leave each year, as there is no requirement to tell the government if you head off to Australia, Switzerland or wherever.
For a 15 year period I went through a UK airport's "controls" more than 200 times and never had a survey nor saw anyone doing a survey. For 10 of those years I was an expat.
We also do a very poor job of tracking exactly how many Brits leave each year, as there is no requirement to tell the government if you head off to Australia, Switzerland or wherever.
You are actually required to inform HRMC if you are going abroad permanently, or for more than one tax year, and to complete a P85.
Oops. I do complete my self-assessment returns, so I guess they already know.
That is not far off the 3.9% Romney lost by and still almost a fortnight to go
There seems to be a mismatch between the national and state polls. Looking at the latter you wouldn't estimate that the national gap was only 4.4%.
In the last two days we have had at least one poll showing Trump ahead in Florida, Ohio, Iowa, Nevada and North Carolina so am not so sure about that
What it must mean is that Trump's numbers aren't too bad in the most populous states like New York, California, Illinois. Obviously he won't get anywhere near winning any of those states but the Republican vote that does exist there must be holding up relatively well. Otherwise he'd be a lot more than 4% behind nationally.
Certainly I expect Trump to do better than Romney in New York
Sorry to miss the NHS thread in the previous article. Everything Alistair says is true and it's no good the usual suspects on here saying all that the NHS needs is a dose of private sector efficiency. It perhaps needs more efficiency - but the private sector only adds inefficiencies - but it certainly needs more money.
My Trust's drugs bill has risen from £3.5m per year 20 years ago to £39m last year. That's a compound annual increase of 13% and it's only going to get worse with increasingly personalised and biological treatments.
If you read what he says underneath that, it's not the total bollocks that you might expect from Fox.
As with Davis, it sounds like the difficult reality of Brexit is dawning on him. Inevitably. This is a good thing.
It's an interesting piece. Though while the European Council votes on a QMV basis on the A50 deal the European Parliament needs to " Consent " giving it a straight veto.
Sorry to miss the NHS thread in the previous article. Everything Alistair says is true and it's no good the usual suspects on here saying all that the NHS needs is a dose of private sector efficiency. It perhaps needs more efficiency - but the private sector only adds inefficiencies - but it certainly needs more money.
My Trust's drugs bill has risen from £3.5m per year 20 years ago to £39m last year. That's a compound annual increase of 13% and it's only going to get worse with increasingly personalised and biological treatments.
What percentage of Trust spending is it?
8.7%. And we're one of the few Trusts in the black.
If you read what he says underneath that, it's not the total bollocks that you might expect from Fox.
As with Davis, it sounds like the difficult reality of Brexit is dawning on him. Inevitably. This is a good thing.
It's an interesting piece. Though while the European Council votes on a QMV basis on the A50 deal the European Parliament needs to " Consent " giving it a straight veto.
We could have the sight of Farage et al attempting to veto a soft Brexit deal in the European Parliament? Perhaps on the same side as the Martin Schultz 'punishment gang'.
Sadly that's my reading of it too. He's implicitly almost explicitly concerning the dangers of the ' Cliff Edge ' at the end of the two year A50 period. His tone is " so let's be reasonable " but it's precisely the that puts us in a relatively weak negotiating position. If we go for Methadone Brexit we will largely be supplicants to our prescribers.
Which prominent Remainer politician do you think said this in the last few weeks.
"Unhelpful belligerency" in Brussels about the Brexit vote and "obduracy" on the subject of FOM "could bring the EU down".
Also if the EU Commission did not re-examine itself "the sick man of Europe would end up being Europe itself".
Particular criticism was directed at Mr Juncker for lacking "the capacity" to understand the effects of his words on British public opinion.
Interestingly, one of the reasons this politician says Britain never became attached to the European ideal is because "the legal system and constitutional culture is so different" and went on to attack the "huge transfers of power to the centre without popular consent".
Yes, I did say this was a prominent Remainer politician.
One of the hazards of having a government made out of your chums, the so called Chumocracy, is you cant be rude about them in your memoir, at least not if you want to get invited to the right sort of dinner parties afterwards. Publishers are only going to have a modest level of interest in "pleasant" memoirs.
Which prominent Remainer politician do you think said this in the last few weeks.
"Unhelpful belligerency" in Brussels about the Brexit vote and "obduracy" on the subject of FOM "could bring the EU down".
Also if the EU Commission did not re-examine itself "the sick man of Europe would end up being Europe itself".
Particular criticism was directed at Mr Juncker for lacking "the capacity" to understand the effects of his words on British public opinion.
Interestingly, one of the reasons this politician says Britain never became attached to the European ideal is because "the legal system and constitutional culture is so different" and went on to attack the "huge transfers of power to the centre without popular consent".
Yes, I did say this was a prominent Remainer politician.
If you read what he says underneath that, it's not the total bollocks that you might expect from Fox.
As with Davis, it sounds like the difficult reality of Brexit is dawning on him. Inevitably. This is a good thing.
It's an interesting piece. Though while the European Council votes on a QMV basis on the A50 deal the European Parliament needs to " Consent " giving it a straight veto.
Well, since we will probably end up with a phasing down of the billions of support over 5 - 10 years and hold over the threat of cutting corporation tax and have a right to liquidating our share of EU assets etc etc on top of the £80 bn trade surplus the EU has.... It will be a lot for the EU to throw away. There is also the risk of a Euro crisis if break up is less than smooth.
The over-riding attitude amongst nearly all was - must speak English, must integrate, must be independent, should be skilled. And that was the view of white and brown respondents.
Indeed, plus the critical requirement of being able to throw people out that are not citizens and refuse to play by the rules. We have to put up with our own malcontents, there is no reason we should feel obliged to put up with anyone elses.
Even if there were not the legal obstacles that sometimes prevent deportations of undesirables, the utter uselessness of our border force is a far greater problem.
There is currently a well known fraudster, released after having served his sentence, who has lost his appeal against deportation and who is highly visible and yet, despite all this, the square root of diddly squat is being done to put him on a plane and return him to his own country.
Why?
If we can't get this right what on earth is the point of promising the moon on a stick in respect of immigration (or anything else, come to that).
Not to mention that somewhere less than 10% of unlawful asylum seekers that fail their final appeal are ever removed from country.
Is the fraudster an EU national ?
No. So absolutely no reason why he should not be on the first plane home to his home country.
If we can't enforce the laws we already have, there is zero point agitating for more laws restricting this, that and the other. Words on paper mean nothing unless you actually enforce them.
We also do a very poor job of tracking exactly how many Brits leave each year, as there is no requirement to tell the government if you head off to Australia, Switzerland or wherever.
It is a simple addition/subtraction problem for air/seaports I'd have thought ?
Which prominent Remainer politician do you think said this in the last few weeks.
"Unhelpful belligerency" in Brussels about the Brexit vote and "obduracy" on the subject of FOM "could bring the EU down".
Also if the EU Commission did not re-examine itself "the sick man of Europe would end up being Europe itself".
Particular criticism was directed at Mr Juncker for lacking "the capacity" to understand the effects of his words on British public opinion.
Interestingly, one of the reasons this politician says Britain never became attached to the European ideal is because "the legal system and constitutional culture is so different" and went on to attack the "huge transfers of power to the centre without popular consent".
Yes, I did say this was a prominent Remainer politician.
If you read what he says underneath that, it's not the total bollocks that you might expect from Fox.
As with Davis, it sounds like the difficult reality of Brexit is dawning on him. Inevitably. This is a good thing.
It's an interesting piece. Though while the European Council votes on a QMV basis on the A50 deal the European Parliament needs to " Consent " giving it a straight veto.
We could have the sight of Farage et al attempting to veto a soft Brexit deal in the European Parliament? Perhaps on the same side as the Martin Schultz 'punishment gang'.
I'd not thought of that. May's end of March A50 deadline means it will be the current parliament that votes on it. So the UKIP group will still be there.
We also do a very poor job of tracking exactly how many Brits leave each year, as there is no requirement to tell the government if you head off to Australia, Switzerland or wherever.
It is a simple addition/subtraction problem for air/seaports I'd have thought ?
It would be if we checked who left. We mostly dont even check who enters, especially at places like cross channel ferry ports, and certainly not on what basis, just a quick flash of the EU passport and you are in.
And with regards to NHS inefficiencies it would have been nice to get on with my job today rather than act as unpaid intern for the Daily Mail. I'm a great supporter of the FOIA but it was never supposed to be a cheap way for journalists to do their job.
One of the hazards of having a government made out of your chums, the so called Chumocracy, is you cant be rude about them in your memoir, at least not if you want to get invited to the right sort of dinner parties afterwards. Publishers are only going to have a modest level of interest in "pleasant" memoirs.
Perhaps but Blair and Thatcher's memoirs were not that rude and they got paid millions for theirs, Major also sold 200,000 copies of 'John Major The Autobiography' and Cameron would be doing well to match that
Which prominent Remainer politician do you think said this in the last few weeks.
"Unhelpful belligerency" in Brussels about the Brexit vote and "obduracy" on the subject of FOM "could bring the EU down".
Also if the EU Commission did not re-examine itself "the sick man of Europe would end up being Europe itself".
Particular criticism was directed at Mr Juncker for lacking "the capacity" to understand the effects of his words on British public opinion.
Interestingly, one of the reasons this politician says Britain never became attached to the European ideal is because "the legal system and constitutional culture is so different" and went on to attack the "huge transfers of power to the centre without popular consent".
Yes, I did say this was a prominent Remainer politician.
Which prominent Remainer politician do you think said this in the last few weeks.
"Unhelpful belligerency" in Brussels about the Brexit vote and "obduracy" on the subject of FOM "could bring the EU down".
Also if the EU Commission did not re-examine itself "the sick man of Europe would end up being Europe itself".
Particular criticism was directed at Mr Juncker for lacking "the capacity" to understand the effects of his words on British public opinion.
Interestingly, one of the reasons this politician says Britain never became attached to the European ideal is because "the legal system and constitutional culture is so different" and went on to attack the "huge transfers of power to the centre without popular consent".
Yes, I did say this was a prominent Remainer politician.
If you read what he says underneath that, it's not the total bollocks that you might expect from Fox.
As with Davis, it sounds like the difficult reality of Brexit is dawning on him. Inevitably. This is a good thing.
It's an interesting piece. Though while the European Council votes on a QMV basis on the A50 deal the European Parliament needs to " Consent " giving it a straight veto.
We could have the sight of Farage et al attempting to veto a soft Brexit deal in the European Parliament? Perhaps on the same side as the Martin Schultz 'punishment gang'.
I'd not thought of that. May's end of March A50 deadline means it will be the current parliament that votes on it. So the UKIP group will still be there.
Almost inconceivable that the European Parliament would vote down a UK/EU deal, agreed by the European nation states. They'd be voting for enormous turbulence, damage to both the EU and UK economies, all kinds of doom and disaster. They'd be held up as the culprits for the fall-out.
If a deal is thrashed out between the capitals, Strasbourg will have its say, but it will agree.
Maybe, but Farage will use every opportunity to grandstand if the deal includes a heavy dose of the four freedoms.
If you read what he says underneath that, it's not the total bollocks that you might expect from Fox.
As with Davis, it sounds like the difficult reality of Brexit is dawning on him. Inevitably. This is a good thing.
It's an interesting piece. Though while the European Council votes on a QMV basis on the A50 deal the European Parliament needs to " Consent " giving it a straight veto.
We could have the sight of Farage et al attempting to veto a soft Brexit deal in the European Parliament? Perhaps on the same side as the Martin Schultz 'punishment gang'.
I'd not thought of that. May's end of March A50 deadline means it will be the current parliament that votes on it. So the UKIP group will still be there.
Almost inconceivable that the European Parliament would vote down a UK/EU deal, agreed by the European nation states. They'd be voting for enormous turbulence, damage to both the EU and UK economies, all kinds of doom and disaster. They'd be held up as the culprits for the fall-out.
If a deal is thrashed out between the capitals, Strasbourg will have its say, but it will agree.
And you were the guy who was 100% sure that Strasbourg would have struck down Dave's deal, which had just been agreed by the EU28 heads of state...
If you read what he says underneath that, it's not the total bollocks that you might expect from Fox.
As with Davis, it sounds like the difficult reality of Brexit is dawning on him. Inevitably. This is a good thing.
It's an interesting piece. Though while the European Council votes on a QMV basis on the A50 deal the European Parliament needs to " Consent " giving it a straight veto.
Well, since we will probably end up with a phasing down of the billions of support over 5 - 10 years and hold over the threat of cutting corporation tax and have a right to liquidating our share of EU assets etc etc on top of the £80 bn trade surplus the EU has.... It will be a lot for the EU to throw away. There is also the risk of a Euro crisis if break up is less than smooth.
What " threat " of cutting Corporation Tax. We could do that now or at any time in the future. Are we going to sign an international treaty putting a floor on our Corporation Tax ? If not then how is it a bargaining tool ? It's meaningless as it can't be enforced.
Liquidating our share of the EU assets ? The whole point of the Fox comments is he wants a quick and comprehensive deal. So by definition we can't ask for complex stuff. Threats have to be credible.
A euro crisis ? What exactly has happen to the £ and the € respectively since the Leave victory ?
" Phasing Down " is that the spin on the fact we'll still be paying billions pa into the EU budget even after we've left. Making the £350m pw figure even more of a lie than it already was.
" £80bn trade surplus " *sighs* Exports as a % of ours and theirs are....
I appreciate and respect we just don't agree on Brexit. However if we're still in " they need to sell us BMW's " mode after the last 4 months I give up !
If you read what he says underneath that, it's not the total bollocks that you might expect from Fox.
As with Davis, it sounds like the difficult reality of Brexit is dawning on him. Inevitably. This is a good thing.
It's an interesting piece. Though while the European Council votes on a QMV basis on the A50 deal the European Parliament needs to " Consent " giving it a straight veto.
Well, since we will probably end up with a phasing down of the billions of support over 5 - 10 years and hold over the threat of cutting corporation tax and have a right to liquidating our share of EU assets etc etc on top of the £80 bn trade surplus the EU has.... It will be a lot for the EU to throw away. There is also the risk of a Euro crisis if break up is less than smooth.
What " threat " of cutting Corporation Tax. We could do that now or at any time in the future. Are we going to sign an international treaty putting a floor on our Corporation Tax ? If not then how is it a bargaining tool ? It's meaningless as it can't be enforced.
Liquidating our share of the EU assets ? The whole point of the Fox comments is he wants a quick and comprehensive deal. So by definition we can't ask for complex stuff. Threats have to be credible.
A euro crisis ? What exactly has happen to the £ and the € respectively since the Leave victory ?
" Phasing Down " is that the spin on the fact we'll still be paying billions pa into the EU budget even after we've left. Making the £350m pw figure even more of a lie than it already was.
" £80bn trade surplus " *sighs* Exports as a % of ours and theirs are....
I appreciate and respect we just don't agree on Brexit. However if we're still in " they need to sell us BMW's " mode after the last 4 months I give up !
I give up !
does that mean youre going to stop posting whiney bollocks every day and wait until there is actually something to comment on ?
If you read what he says underneath that, it's not the total bollocks that you might expect from Fox.
As with Davis, it sounds like the difficult reality of Brexit is dawning on him. Inevitably. This is a good thing.
It's an interesting piece. Though while the European Council votes on a QMV basis on the A50 deal the European Parliament needs to " Consent " giving it a straight veto.
We could have the sight of Farage et al attempting to veto a soft Brexit deal in the European Parliament? Perhaps on the same side as the Martin Schultz 'punishment gang'.
I'd not thought of that. May's end of March A50 deadline means it will be the current parliament that votes on it. So the UKIP group will still be there.
Almost inconceivable that the European Parliament would vote down a UK/EU deal, agreed by the European nation states. They'd be voting for enormous turbulence, damage to both the EU and UK economies, all kinds of doom and disaster. They'd be held up as the culprits for the fall-out.
If a deal is thrashed out between the capitals, Strasbourg will have its say, but it will agree.
If they do after the collapse of the EU-Canada deal I suggest the first trip May makes after Brexit is to Ottowa!
Which prominent Remainer politician do you think said this in the last few weeks.
"Unhelpful belligerency" in Brussels about the Brexit vote and "obduracy" on the subject of FOM "could bring the EU down".
Also if the EU Commission did not re-examine itself "the sick man of Europe would end up being Europe itself".
Particular criticism was directed at Mr Juncker for lacking "the capacity" to understand the effects of his words on British public opinion.
Interestingly, one of the reasons this politician says Britain never became attached to the European ideal is because "the legal system and constitutional culture is so different" and went on to attack the "huge transfers of power to the centre without popular consent".
Yes, I did say this was a prominent Remainer politician.
Mandelson?
No - but reasonably close.
Not Blair surely ?
No - but you are getting closer........
Cameron
I seem to be in an alternative timestream where they do not have google.
Which prominent Remainer politician do you think said this in the last few weeks.
"Unhelpful belligerency" in Brussels about the Brexit vote and "obduracy" on the subject of FOM "could bring the EU down".
Also if the EU Commission did not re-examine itself "the sick man of Europe would end up being Europe itself".
Particular criticism was directed at Mr Juncker for lacking "the capacity" to understand the effects of his words on British public opinion.
Interestingly, one of the reasons this politician says Britain never became attached to the European ideal is because "the legal system and constitutional culture is so different" and went on to attack the "huge transfers of power to the centre without popular consent".
Yes, I did say this was a prominent Remainer politician.
Mandelson?
No - but reasonably close.
Not Blair surely ?
No - but you are getting closer........
Major?
Nope. Wrong party.
Am off home now. So will check in later and give you the answer and when said politician made these remarks, unless anyone guesses before then.
Which prominent Remainer politician do you think said this in the last few weeks.
"Unhelpful belligerency" in Brussels about the Brexit vote and "obduracy" on the subject of FOM "could bring the EU down".
Also if the EU Commission did not re-examine itself "the sick man of Europe would end up being Europe itself".
Particular criticism was directed at Mr Juncker for lacking "the capacity" to understand the effects of his words on British public opinion.
Interestingly, one of the reasons this politician says Britain never became attached to the European ideal is because "the legal system and constitutional culture is so different" and went on to attack the "huge transfers of power to the centre without popular consent".
Yes, I did say this was a prominent Remainer politician.
I live in Richmond Park and I will vote Lib Dem in the by-election to defeat a silver spooned toff with scant regard for the cost to the taxpayer. It is all just a game to Goldsmith. What does he hope to achieve? Anything short than a bigger majority than in 2015 will be a repudiation. So Goldsmith has to get 23,000 plus to come out of this with his dignity in tact!
The relevant question is whether this is a change from last time (given the bile in the first sentence, I assume not conservative in any event).
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Clinton 46 .. Trump 40
Note - Over sample of white voters by 3 points.
http://www.socialsecurityworks.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/NationalResults.pdf
"He said an agreement struck within two years only required the support of a qualified majority of EU leaders and it was in everyone’s interests to ensure that happened."
Which is the timeframe set out by Article 50.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_the_European_Union
Clinton 46 .. Trump 42
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_NH_102616/
Well, as a poor beaten-down, Remain ‘loser’, I want to put up a lonely hand and ask if I might be allowed to speak. Britain is leaving the EU – OK, I accept that. I don’t think we should re-run the referendum. I think we should stick to the course that has been decided.
We also do a very poor job of tracking exactly how many Brits leave each year, as there is no requirement to tell the government if you head off to Australia, Switzerland or wherever.
Idiot Wind
by Bob Dylan
Someone's got it in for me
They're planting stories in the press
Whoever it is I wish they'd cut it out quick
But when they will I can only guess
There is currently a well known fraudster, released after having served his sentence, who has lost his appeal against deportation and who is highly visible and yet, despite all this, the square root of diddly squat is being done to put him on a plane and return him to his own country.
Why?
If we can't get this right what on earth is the point of promising the moon on a stick in respect of immigration (or anything else, come to that).
The business of government is like gralloching: messy and unpleasant but important - and something is rather that the hired help does for me
My Trust's drugs bill has risen from £3.5m per year 20 years ago to £39m last year. That's a compound annual increase of 13% and it's only going to get worse with increasingly personalised and biological treatments.
Official: Family of Maryland boy suspended from school for shaping pastry into a gun reaches monetary settlement. https://t.co/KgKgg1i8F1
He's 7.
Is the fraudster an EU national ?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/londoners-diary-millions-missing-from-cameron-s-memoirs-deal-a3379181.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3873038/David-Cameron-cashes-800-000-deal-memoirs-Former-PM-pledges-frank-account-successes-failures.html
On the other hand, it's £800,000 for someone who's already a multi-millionaire, so I daresay he'll survive.
https://youtu.be/nUBrZItwVy4
If we can't enforce the laws we already have, there is zero point agitating for more laws restricting this, that and the other. Words on paper mean nothing unless you actually enforce them.
Channel 4 News headlining today on the fact that 17 women have died in British prisons so far this year. That's quite a shocking number.
http://labourlist.org/2016/10/suspended-walker-starts-crowdfunding-for-legal-expenses/
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Cvtd4vYXgAApj3g.jpg
Lol
"Richmond and Kingston Gazette"
It says in the editorial:
FAIR PLAY ZAC
"We want to congratulate MP Zac Goldsmith on his decision to resign his seat in protest at the Heathrow decision.
Unlike many Conservatives he has kept his promise on Heathrow.
We agree with Zac on Heathrow.
But on Brexit and the future of the NHS, Conservatives like Zac are on the wrong side of the argument".
Ahem.
Liquidating our share of the EU assets ? The whole point of the Fox comments is he wants a quick and comprehensive deal. So by definition we can't ask for complex stuff. Threats have to be credible.
A euro crisis ? What exactly has happen to the £ and the € respectively since the Leave victory ?
" Phasing Down " is that the spin on the fact we'll still be paying billions pa into the EU budget even after we've left. Making the £350m pw figure even more of a lie than it already was.
" £80bn trade surplus " *sighs* Exports as a % of ours and theirs are....
I appreciate and respect we just don't agree on Brexit. However if we're still in " they need to sell us BMW's " mode after the last 4 months I give up !
does that mean youre going to stop posting whiney bollocks every day and wait until there is actually something to comment on ?
Clinton 47 .. Trump 38
https://www.monmouth.edu/polling-institute/reports/MonmouthPoll_NH_102616/
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Mind you, Rome's constitution, before the dicking about and slide into imperialism, was nicely balanced.
Am off home now. So will check in later and give you the answer and when said politician made these remarks, unless anyone guesses before then.
Clinton 38 .. Trump 45
http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/state-regional-govt-politics/new-texas-polls-shows-trump-with-small-but-safe-le/nsx2d/
"Abba reunion on the cards thanks to Simon Fuller project"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/music/artists/abba-reunion-on-the-cards-thanks-to-simon-fuller-project/
I don;t buy Sean's version of an all play nice Brexit. We cannot accept free movement, and they cannot accept the end of it.
Any fudge will be pounced on. UKIP are still above 10% for a reason.