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Westminster voting intention for Election Data /YouGov CON 42%LAB 26%LD 8%UKIP 12%GRN 5%F/W 19-20th Oct
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This election is much more than Trump vs. Clinton. It's old America vs. new America
http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-election-contrast-20161020-snap-story.html
Pox on both your houses voters.
So I've been thinking about it for a while, I think it is time to form a new political party. I'm going to call it the Free Liberal Party (FLP).
The party stands for:
Free speech
Free trade
Free market
In order of importance.
In practice that means:
1. No more hate speech laws, no more safe spaces. Open discussion of any idea, however distasteful they might be.
2. The nation will seek free trade with any party who is willing and generally have low import tariffs for nations who don't. The nation will also work within the WTO to eliminate NTBs on a sector by sector basis rather than seek an imposition of standards in the way that the US does.
3. The nation will seek a free market solution to commerce and labour with a base income of £12.50/h. With that we will eliminate payroll taxes and lower corporation tax to 12.5% for small and medium business and 15% for big business. We will also eliminate all in working benefits and tax credits and out of work benefits will be made on a contributory basis with a minimum 12 months of work in the last 24 months required to qualify. Unemployment benefits will be paid for up to 12 months at a rate of 60% of previous gross income.
4. We don't give a shit if you're gay, black, white or whatever. Everyone is welcome as long as they welcome everyone else.
Anyone who wants to join is welcome to do so.
Growth is currently adequate, but over the longer term, (say, since 2000) it's been poor. The numbers for inflation and unemployment are decent, but we have the problem of a big balance of payments deficit that needs to be sorted.
What is your policy on immigration?
I think there is a need in the cities for a centre right party that isn't loathed like the Tories.
Still good luck to you. It would be 'interesting' to see how much electoral support Hannanite utopianism gets...
Whatever happened to "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"?
Immigrants must contribute to society in pure money terms and must learn our customs and culture. If they find our way of life to be incompatible with theirs then they are free to leave.
I may also have had a few drinks at lunch!
Let me guess; this is a reason we should leave the EU...
Secondly, people who are liberal on a range of issues but strongly dislike the EU (often on democratic deficit grounds).
You seem surprised by it, and it is of course a small minority of the electorate... but it's by no means a ludicrous position and I'm not in the least surprised it shows up in this result.
Also, the party sees the EU as an argument of a bygone era, anyone who is bothered enough to want to join it is free to make their case but would be better off in the Lib Dems who have given up on liberalism already.
1. The EU and Ministers of the 27 say that we cannot discuss Brexit because we are still in the EU and have not evoked Article 50.
2. Today we learn that people in the EU Commission and EU Ministers are upset that we wish to participate in decisions of the EU such as defence, since they say we are leaving and .....
But in campaigning, the message I saw in some of the leaflets was a lot cannier - "Are you worried about Hard Brexit? So are we." Actually using the uncertainty, lack of confidence among those charged with negotiating, and speaking to remainers, softer leavers, and determined leavers who've thought through what's involved. Smart messaging I thought - and I'd expect to see it used more widely.
Have they run out of translators?
It turns out the commission discovered they weren't translators - they were actually refugee children in desperate need
The two are confused all the time, apparently
Plenty of UK German speakers based around Windsor I believe…!
He and I have a lot in common. We are both understated, subtle Yorkshireman.
Achilles heel?
I do actually agree that decapitation strategies are a mistake in terms of best use of resources - you just go for the seats you're best able to win rather than making some kind of point of it. But there's no doubt all parties see it as a bonus to get a big name, and tend to put some extra effort into doing so.
'Xenophobia Britannica? Anti-immigrant attitudes in the UK are among the strongest in Europe'
http://tinyurl.com/gtkhl5f
I'm gonna predict 'Xenophobia Britannica' goes on the trigger word/phrase list.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/gop-braces-for-trump-loss-roiled-by-refusal-to-accept-election-results/2016/10/20/6e1de6aa-96dc-11e6-9b7c-57290af48a49_story.html
Conservatives defended 7 seats held 4 lost 3 East Riding St Marys to Lib Dems Witham North to Labour and Heacham West Norfolk to Ind but gained Rothwell Kettering from Labour and Medway Strood South from UKIP
Labour defended 4 seats held 1 lost 3 Rothwell Kettering to Con Neath P T Blaingwarh to Plaid and Conway Abergele Pensarth to Ind But gained Witham North from Con
Lib Dems defended 1 seat which they held and gained East Riding St Marys from Con
UKIP defended 1 seat which they lost to Con
Plaid gained 1 seat from Lab
Inds gained 2 seats 1 from Lab 1 from Con
Would help lower tensions , raise money and focus minds. Any caught working in black economy jailed then deported.
Free movement would be back on the table then as public opinion would swing back if the rate was high enough for long enough.
May's tin ear strikes again.
I'm interested in his logo !
Anyway, I know it's possible since even the lowest worker in Switzerland receives wages of at least 18Fr/h which is higher than £12.50 even with a more favourable exchange rate.
Indeed, Stevenage wasn't exactly hard left heartland and her best chance of retaining her seat in 1983 (had she survived in 1979) would have been as an SDP candidate. Indeed, ironically the SDP candidate in that seat did a little better than Williams in Crosby in the 1983 election - both lost fairly narrowly.
They were nice guys, credible candidates, they played by the rules. Guess what, they still got beat.
As did George Bush when he sent that endearing note you quoted. Bill must has p8ssed himself laughing, as he sized up the interns in the Oval office.